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[3670.04 --> 3671.06] What about Honeycomb Agent?
[3671.22 --> 3672.12] Let's do that as well.
[3672.20 --> 3673.12] What about your fun agent?
[3673.12 --> 3673.90] Oh, crap.
[3674.28 --> 3675.30] They broke something.
[3676.40 --> 3679.38] So let me try and figure out, like, what the new config is.
[3679.46 --> 3682.88] And before you know it, I would, like, two days, like, three days, whatever, say, ah, crap.
[3682.98 --> 3683.56] Like, no, no.
[3683.60 --> 3684.46] This is just too much.
[3684.50 --> 3687.76] I just have to keep some of the older versions because it's just too hard.
[3687.90 --> 3688.14] Right.
[3688.20 --> 3689.92] And I'm biting too big of a chunk.
[3690.32 --> 3690.68] Wow.
[3690.70 --> 3692.34] Which is exactly what you've done, right?
[3692.88 --> 3693.28] Yes.
[3693.28 --> 3693.92] Before you know it.
[3693.92 --> 3696.78] The yak is, like, a herd.
[3697.64 --> 3697.86] Yeah.
[3698.24 --> 3700.76] Somewhere in there, I completely lost the thread, you know?
[3701.26 --> 3701.54] Yeah.
[3701.62 --> 3704.10] It feels necessary as you keep biting more off, though, right?
[3704.62 --> 3704.86] Yeah.
[3705.46 --> 3707.82] As you go deeper into the yak shave.
[3708.04 --> 3710.80] I mean, I guess this is an onion analogy more than a shave.
[3710.92 --> 3714.22] I guess every new hair you shave away, I don't know how to describe it.
[3714.22 --> 3715.56] You just, like, have to go further.
[3716.20 --> 3716.76] You know what I mean?
[3716.92 --> 3720.42] It just feels like it's perpetual and you just need to keep going.
[3720.42 --> 3724.30] And then it's, like, you know, it's one part, you know, personal determination.
[3725.04 --> 3732.50] And then knowing you as a list, you know, X or offer, you've got to get through this thing, whatever it is.
[3732.68 --> 3735.02] And so it's, like, perseverance, though.
[3735.98 --> 3741.24] I'm wondering how much actual work happens like this.
[3741.44 --> 3741.74] Right?
[3742.06 --> 3742.26] Right.
[3742.26 --> 3748.12] Like, really valuable work, like, upgrades, fixes, refactorings.
[3748.12 --> 3755.10] Because you start somewhere and rather than doing the bare minimum, you say, well, I'm going to do a little bit more and a little bit more and a little.
[3755.18 --> 3756.66] And before you know it, you're, like, a week in.
[3756.94 --> 3757.06] Snowball.
[3757.48 --> 3759.06] Everything is amazing, right?
[3759.10 --> 3761.86] But you wasted a week on something which wasn't even on the board.
[3762.38 --> 3762.66] Right.
[3763.04 --> 3764.44] This was not even on my agenda.
[3764.52 --> 3767.56] I wonder as well, because that's, like, the, that's a state of flow, right?
[3767.64 --> 3771.32] You can get through that yak shave probably because of a state of flow.
[3771.38 --> 3774.48] How, was this a sustained session, Jared, or was it multiple sessions?
[3774.48 --> 3777.26] This was all one session.
[3777.36 --> 3781.52] This basically took my afternoon that I would have otherwise spent finishing that cloud uploads thing.
[3782.20 --> 3784.56] Did you plan to spend the amount of time that you spent?
[3784.94 --> 3788.70] So did you consume the time you desired to spend or did you just consume more?
[3789.20 --> 3789.74] Way more.
[3789.88 --> 3791.84] I did not want to rewrite that meta module at all.
[3792.36 --> 3792.62] Right.
[3792.70 --> 3793.68] So this is my point then.
[3793.74 --> 3795.28] So you wanted to do it in one session.
[3795.28 --> 3801.40] You were in a state of flow despite your aim, so to speak, being off, right?
[3801.46 --> 3802.22] You shaved the yak.
[3802.32 --> 3803.90] You didn't do what you intended to.
[3804.36 --> 3817.46] However, you probably did as much work as you could have done in eight hours or whatever number, some sort of multiple beyond that, because you were in such a momentum mode, you know, kind of mode going on.
[3817.94 --> 3820.12] That's my assumption at least because you were in a state of flow.
[3820.12 --> 3826.10] So to your point, Jared, I wondered as well, because when you get that kind of momentum, sometimes you just have to run with it.
[3827.16 --> 3830.44] So speaking of new, we've got some gifts coming up.
[3830.50 --> 3833.16] It's going to be the holiday season, Christmas.
[3833.94 --> 3835.64] You got some Christmas gift for us, Jared?
[3836.18 --> 3836.94] I do, actually.
[3837.18 --> 3839.08] I have four, five.
[3839.54 --> 3840.24] We'll see how many.
[3840.68 --> 3841.70] But a couple.
[3842.10 --> 3842.96] More than a couple.
[3843.38 --> 3843.62] Okay.
[3843.62 --> 3845.62] What I'm thinking is...
[3846.36 --> 3846.42] Two.
[3846.48 --> 3847.26] I was mentioning...
[3847.26 --> 3847.96] More than one, right?
[3848.20 --> 3848.38] Yeah.
[3848.38 --> 3848.54] Two.
[3848.90 --> 3849.50] More than two.
[3849.58 --> 3850.00] More than three.
[3850.06 --> 3850.48] More than two.
[3850.60 --> 3851.84] More than a few.
[3851.96 --> 3852.22] Several.
[3852.40 --> 3853.08] Several gifts.
[3853.52 --> 3853.74] Let's go.
[3853.80 --> 3854.34] Several gifts.
[3855.14 --> 3867.34] So I was mentioning at the beginning of the show that a lot of the episodes, when I spend time talking to the people that come on the show, there's always a background story to it.
[3867.34 --> 3873.98] Usually, like a past story, we share, you know, we have a common past, but also I see a common future.
[3874.84 --> 3884.80] So what it means is when we covered cross-plane, and I was mentioning, even during the episode, that I want to make cross-plane part of our infrastructure, part of our setup.
[3885.40 --> 3891.60] So what it looks like is managing our Kubernetes, managing our infrastructure with cross-plane.
[3892.28 --> 3894.12] So how do we do that?
[3894.60 --> 3895.48] What does that look like?
[3895.48 --> 3901.50] What is the simplest thing that we can do to improve our Kubernetes deployments?
[3901.66 --> 3905.52] So that when we want two, three, four, it's really simple to do that.
[3905.98 --> 3910.56] What about using a bound cloud for that rather than running our own cross-plane?
[3911.18 --> 3912.52] So that is one of the gifts.
[3913.36 --> 3919.50] How do we use cross-plane to manage our infrastructure, our new infrastructure, the 2022 one?
[3920.28 --> 3924.08] And going forward, what are the benefits of doing that?
[3924.08 --> 3930.70] So we're bringing them on board with our story, with our changelog story, with our setup story that's been evolving.
[3931.76 --> 3935.80] And the mix is what makes it amazing.
[3936.18 --> 3942.40] Because we have the opportunity to try all these different tools out.
[3943.40 --> 3946.40] Show our approach, whether it's right or wrong, doesn't matter.
[3946.40 --> 3950.64] The point is, it's good enough for us, and there's always something to learn.