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[3951.48 --> 3953.12] We create great content.
[3953.72 --> 3958.36] We promote the good stuff, the stuff that we believe in, that we use.
[3958.96 --> 3961.80] And most importantly, we help it improve.
[3962.36 --> 3965.04] We give feedback to those projects, to those products.
[3965.20 --> 3966.56] And as a result, they improve.
[3967.24 --> 3968.36] Honeycomb is another one.
[3968.78 --> 3970.98] We'll have specific Honeycomb integrations.
[3971.58 --> 3973.34] Dagger, I want to mention that as well.
[3973.34 --> 3976.14] And that happened, like, over the last couple of weeks.
[3976.88 --> 3980.86] Preparing episode 33, where a few gifts will be mentioned.
[3981.54 --> 3981.94] Parka.
[3982.34 --> 3983.68] I want to mention that as well.
[3983.72 --> 3984.68] That actually happened today.
[3985.32 --> 3991.82] So in my lunch break, we were recording that segment, which will be part of episode 33.
[3992.42 --> 3993.38] And that's the parka one.
[3993.38 --> 3993.82] Yeah.
[3994.24 --> 4002.64] I like seeing Solomon Hikes in our pull requests slash comments back and forth on the Dagger stuff you're working on.
[4002.72 --> 4005.20] I was paying attention to just that commentary.
[4005.44 --> 4011.58] And so just one, you know, I think it's super cool that, you know, we've been a podcast.
[4012.04 --> 4016.26] You know, Ship It is part of the network, but the network itself has been around for more than 12 years now.
[4016.26 --> 4022.96] I talked to Solomon, like, way back early days of Docker, even, like, when he did that first talk to announce Docker, essentially.
[4023.88 --> 4032.48] And now to be at a place to have the right kind of infrastructure for this, what was just once a Tumblr blog, happily on WordPress at one point as well.
[4033.14 --> 4034.56] And worked just fine.
[4034.62 --> 4036.30] Maybe we had a ton of misses there.
[4036.70 --> 4038.10] Not misses, but actual misses.
[4038.28 --> 4040.00] But we didn't have any caching, so we were going to go.
[4040.00 --> 4055.64] So, and now to see, you know, like, this feature, Dagger, these gifts, and Solomon Hikes, whom is one of the creators of Docker, those catching up, in the comments of our pull requests.
[4056.12 --> 4056.44] It's cool.
[4056.82 --> 4057.30] I love that.
[4057.40 --> 4058.32] I was loving seeing that.
[4058.36 --> 4060.58] It's just the whole circle of life kind of thing.
[4060.58 --> 4064.90] You know, like you said, even with Ship It, the pre-story and then the future story.
[4065.00 --> 4069.82] Like, I love all that serendipity, Gerhard, really, coming together.
[4070.00 --> 4070.80] It is a journey.
[4071.34 --> 4071.92] It really is.
[4071.96 --> 4073.22] And many journeys coming together.
[4073.54 --> 4073.74] Yeah.
[4074.00 --> 4080.66] And, you know, the little contributions that we can make to those projects, they're definitely helping us, right?
[4080.70 --> 4085.62] Like, we couldn't run the infrastructure the way we do without all the great tooling that's out there.
[4086.34 --> 4091.28] And I wish we had more time to try it all and to give all the feedback that we can.
[4091.28 --> 4103.96] And I think that's what, like, whenever, like, you know, people pitch the idea of, like, or request an episode, like, I would like to, you know, we'd like to have this conversation.
[4103.96 --> 4105.74] I'm thinking, am I excited about this?
[4105.92 --> 4107.16] Is it something which I would use?
[4107.16 --> 4111.46] And if the answer is no, it doesn't mean that tool is wrong.
[4111.54 --> 4113.40] It means I'm not into it.
[4113.54 --> 4114.50] I wouldn't use it.
[4114.96 --> 4118.22] I don't see it's like, it's a no from that perspective.
[4118.78 --> 4124.70] So I love trying out the things that we have on the show.
[4125.10 --> 4125.76] All the people.
[4126.36 --> 4127.40] Just go beyond that.
[4127.50 --> 4129.80] Go beyond that conversation and see what happens.
[4130.26 --> 4131.28] Literally see what happens.
[4131.66 --> 4132.70] I love that stuff.
[4132.70 --> 4136.52] I like bringing that feedback to them, too, you know, like in particular to Honeycomb.
[4136.96 --> 4146.04] You know, I love just, or even with Dagger and Crossplane, I just love, I think we can give that kind of feedback differently than, say, a customer would.
[4146.46 --> 4149.18] Or a drive-by user who's just on the free tier, for example.
[4149.52 --> 4149.72] Yeah.
[4149.88 --> 4151.26] You know, of whatever it might be.
[4151.62 --> 4152.94] We're going to give a different layer.
[4153.36 --> 4159.64] Because one, you know, to Fastly's credit, even, like, if you're a listener who works at Fastly, we're not bashing you.
[4159.64 --> 4160.38] We love Fastly.
[4160.38 --> 4165.24] We're just, you know, unhappy with current things or certain things and we want to improve them.
[4165.30 --> 4167.60] That doesn't mean we're negative Fastly.
[4167.66 --> 4168.78] We're quite pro-Fastly.
[4169.84 --> 4176.28] And I think that, you know, through the podcast and the content that comes from it and just, like, our willingness to try and be curious.
[4176.82 --> 4184.36] But then put that on air on a podcast and flesh it out for the sake of ourselves as well as the listeners who are like, how are they solving these problems?
[4184.48 --> 4185.60] How is Jared shaving this yak?
[4185.62 --> 4186.82] How is Gerard shaving that yak?
[4186.96 --> 4188.30] He has no packets lost.
[4188.40 --> 4188.54] Great.
[4188.54 --> 4189.06] Okay, cool.
[4189.66 --> 4190.70] You know, two ISPs later.
[4191.18 --> 4191.90] All that fun stuff.
[4192.10 --> 4194.02] Like, that to me is, like, that's a journey.
[4194.14 --> 4194.62] That's a narrative.
[4194.72 --> 4195.28] That's a story.
[4195.94 --> 4196.16] You know?
[4196.22 --> 4201.58] And I think that we can give that feedback to Crossplane, to Honeycomb.
[4201.74 --> 4205.68] And, like, even sharing, like, how we have that observability into our CDN, which we never had before.
[4205.68 --> 4207.22] That is super cool.
[4207.22 --> 4212.00] And, like, that may not be something that Charity and the team at Honeycomb thought about.
[4212.14 --> 4213.58] Like, sure, you can observe anything, really.
[4214.08 --> 4217.48] But have they considered, like, should you observe your CDN?
[4217.58 --> 4221.96] Well, I think now that we have this tool in our hand, the answer is emphatically yes.
[4222.28 --> 4222.78] You know?
[4222.78 --> 4224.38] Especially when it's your front layer.
[4224.86 --> 4224.96] Yeah.
[4225.04 --> 4228.50] And it's all those ands, which are really exciting for me.
[4228.78 --> 4233.50] So, Crossplane and Dagger, Honeycomb and Grafana Cloud.
[4233.74 --> 4235.16] Most people don't think like that.
[4235.40 --> 4236.46] They think, ooh, competitors.
[4236.48 --> 4236.90] Either or.
[4237.10 --> 4237.42] No, no.
[4237.68 --> 4237.98] No, no.
[4238.02 --> 4239.22] It's an and proposition.
[4239.64 --> 4239.88] Right.
[4239.88 --> 4242.48] Because they all have their strengths and their weaknesses.
[4242.82 --> 4246.28] And if you don't know what the trade-offs are, well, that means that you don't know them well enough.
[4246.58 --> 4249.58] Because there's no such tool which is just perfection, right?
[4249.62 --> 4249.72] Yeah.