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So the idea with this long-term, the vision is that we're gonna have users/customers running in the data center, bare metal, which is a large part of our user base - all of a sudden they have an influx in traffic, and they need to expand the cluster. But they don't have the resources. Okay, fine. Let's just expand out ...
Now, a completely different use case, but very similar, is maybe the edge. I have some Raspberry Pi's that I actually wanna join up to a cluster at the core, which is hosted in AWS. But maybe these Raspberry Pi's are running in shipping trucks, and they have intermittent network connectivity. That's kind of troublesome...
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's really interesting... So let me see if I understood this correctly. You're saying that you can scale out your Kubernetes clusters on-demand, wherever, whether it's your closet, or whether it's on the data center, or the cloud... You can maintain the same privacy of the network, everything is en...
**Andrew Rynhard:** That's exactly what I'm saying. Of course, there's little caveats, like -- the way WireGuard roughly works is you need at least one direction of communications. So in the case of, say, my private cluster running right here in my closet, it needs to be able to at least reach the workers. The workers ...
So there are some limitations within the system that you can find in the documentation stuff; over my head when it comes to networking. Something around Cones and NATs, and stuff...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Is it IPv4, or IPv6? What network does it lay down? Or dual stack?
**Andrew Rynhard:** Either.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow. Okay, I wanna try it out.
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah, you should.
**Gerhard Lazu:** I wanna try out how it all actually works.
**Andrew Rynhard:** It's pretty neat. In fact, one of our engineers - he just created a video of him just spinning up Talos right there in Kemu, right there on his laptop, and then joined an AWS Graviton instance to it.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow, okay.
**Andrew Rynhard:** So it's pretty neat. I'm super-excited about it.
**Gerhard Lazu:** I will put that link in the show notes, because that sounds like something which I would want to try out. That sounds amazing. Okay, okay... So - shifting focus a little bit towards KubeCon and what's happening this week. First of all, will you be attending in person?
**Andrew Rynhard:** I will, I can't wait.
**Gerhard Lazu:** You will. Okay. Amazing. What are you most looking forward to? Meeting people, let me guess...
**Andrew Rynhard:** \[01:03:56.07\] I just wanna see another human. That's exactly what it comes down to. No, actually - that is true, but more specifically, the thing that I'm really looking forward to is meeting everybody that works at Sidero Labs. We've been fully remote for two years now. I think I've only met a co...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Wow. So this is two out of three people -- actually, both people that go to KubeCon in person, you and William Morgan... You're both looking forward to the same thing. William Morgan from Linkerd, from Buoyant - he was saying the same thing. Meeting the rest of his company, meeting the community, and ...
Okay, I think everybody's on the same page... And I have to say, those that couldn't make it in-person, myself including, we wish we could be there... But by the time EU comes along, I'm sure things will be easier, and then next year, for the next KubeCon North America, I hope to be there in-person, and meet all the gr...
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah. And speaking of EU, we will be there as well, too... So maybe we could see each other then.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Amazing. Okay, yes. Tick! So what advice do you have for the people that can't attend the conference in-person? Anything that you recommend to them?
**Andrew Rynhard:** You know, nothing that you're not gonna get from the CNCF as far as their recommendations go. Attend their virtual booths... I would say join the CNCF Slack. That was really fun when I did KubeCon EU; just talking to people, and all kinds of random channels... That was a blast. It did a decent job o...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. And then what about the people that want to do catch-up videos? Because for example, it may be too late in the night for them and they can't be up all hours... Anything you would tell them?
**Andrew Rynhard:** Set aside enough time, because there are a lot of really cool things... And just try to prioritize. Because you're not gonna get through all of them; figure out the ones that probably are most applicable to you, things you're most excited about, and just have fun watching them.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Speaking about that - which talks are you excited about? Anything in particular?
**Andrew Rynhard:** I've noticed my taste has changed ever since I've become into a role where I'm playing more of a management role and business role. I do get hands-on technically, but less and less over time... So I'm finding myself gravitating more towards things like building community... There's a particular talk...
Technical stuff - there is one on supply chain that I wanna go look at... But I am reserving a lot of time for just talking to people as well. So I'll maybe grab a few, but they're gonna be less technical.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. Well, Andrew, this has been a pleasure. I'm really glad that we had this opportunity. KubeCon EU just flew by and I didn't have time, but now I'm so glad that we had this time together. I'm really looking forward to trying Talos, to trying Sidero, and seeing KubeSpan, how well does it work in pr...
**Andrew Rynhard:** Yeah, thank you for having me. It was a blast.
**Break:** \[01:07:29.11\]
**Gerhard Lazu:** So KubeCon is my favorite time to catch up with the cloud-native community, with the people, with the events, new features, new products... It's such an eventful time, KubeCon. I love it. But also new beginnings. So we only spoke -- was it like a month ago? It wasn't that long... Episode \#18.
**David Flanagan:** Yes, it was around 4-5 weeks ago I think it was...
**Gerhard Lazu:** And you have been really busy in this one month, right? So tell us about it. What happened in the last month?
**David Flanagan:** Well, we brought a new person into this world, which has been rather time-consuming...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay...
**David Flanagan:** I can't remember if we spoke about this during the last one...
**Gerhard Lazu:** We didn't.
**David Flanagan:** My wife was pregnant, and now we have a beautiful baby boy who's entered this world. His name is Caleb; he is two weeks and five days old... And because that wasn't enough change in a short period of time for me, I also decided "You know what - let's change jobs as well." So the last time we spoke, ...
**Gerhard Lazu:** So I think that this is going to be my favorite announcement from this KubeCon, which is the newest and youngest member of the cloud-native community, Caleb. He's - what, two weeks? Three weeks?
**David Flanagan:** Two weeks and five days, yeah.
**Gerhard Lazu:** Well, I don't think there is a younger member of the cloud-native community. So two weeks and five days, you said... That's just crazy. Okay...
**David Flanagan:** Well, he will be watching some of the KubeCon festivities and talks remotely with me, as obviously in the U.K. we are travel-banned until November 1st... So I will be participating as much as I can through my laptop and through the video material... And I'm sure Caleb will be throwing up on me for a...
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[laughs\] Or falling asleep, I would like to think... Like, during those boring sessions... Boring to him, obviously. Like, "Kubernetes what?!" He'll just fall asleep like "Spiffy this" or "Spiffy that?" Yeah that sounds like a nice nursery rhyme. Anyways... I just thought about this - this is maybe ...
**David Flanagan:** Yeah. And not is at the clock and then you know my regular 7 or 8 hours asleep at all. So why not spend some of those times awake, catching up with some great cloud-native material, and stuff like that. It'll be good. And of course, it's KubeCon; it's been remote for the last four editions. I think ...
**Gerhard Lazu:** Yeah.
**David Flanagan:** So you know, the hallway track on Slack, and Discords, and Twitter... Twitter is always very active, so there's always something to keep you company during those late nights.
**Gerhard Lazu:** So which is your process of joining remote KubeCons? Tell me about it. And then I can share with you my process and see how it compares to yours. How do you do it?
**David Flanagan:** Well, I wish I could say I was really methodological about it, and I knew exactly what talks I was gonna watch each day, but I don't. I really just kind of show up and log into the platform and see what's happening then and there. I definitely watched a lot of it after KubeCon, so that I could do th...
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[01:12:05.17\] Yeah, something like that... Actually, I try to drop in on all of them. I'm making use of three monitors, plus an iPad... I have a picture from the last KubeCon that I attended... And then I just like watch three sessions and I mute, and I just pick one, listen for a minute, then switc...
When it comes to the sessions, I don't pick them ahead of time, because the titles and the descriptions can be misleading. I try to drop in on them as you would do, and then I just pick and choose. But I try to drop on all three of them, which is impossible if you're in-person... So I think this is the best way to do i...