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[4327.26 --> 4329.86] But it's not as well planned as I would expect. |
[4329.96 --> 4332.62] I'm sure you've got it down to the letter, right? |
[4332.72 --> 4335.22] You must know exactly every session you're going to check out. |
[4335.22 --> 4336.76] Yeah, something like that. |
[4336.84 --> 4337.44] Something like that. |
[4337.52 --> 4339.66] So, actually, I try to drop in all of them. |
[4340.00 --> 4342.48] I'm making use of three monitors plus an iPad. |
[4342.80 --> 4345.34] I have a picture from the last KubeCon that I attended. |
[4346.04 --> 4348.32] And then I just watch three sessions and I mute. |
[4348.68 --> 4352.98] And I just pick one, listen for a few minutes, then switch to another one, switch to another one. |
[4353.16 --> 4355.30] And that's how I just consume three at the same time. |
[4355.60 --> 4360.44] And then when something is, you know, I mean, it's interesting, but maybe there's something more interesting. |
[4360.60 --> 4361.64] I just switch to another one. |
[4361.84 --> 4363.00] But I can consume three. |
[4363.26 --> 4364.12] That's my max. |
[4364.12 --> 4365.98] I think four will be a bit challenging. |
[4366.32 --> 4371.60] When it comes to the sessions, like I don't pick them like ahead of time because the titles and descriptions can be misleading. |
[4372.06 --> 4374.44] I try to drop in on them as you would do. |
[4374.68 --> 4376.08] And then I just pick and choose. |
[4376.14 --> 4379.56] But I try to drop on all three of them, which is impossible if you're in person. |
[4380.02 --> 4384.00] So I think this is the best way to do it virtually when it comes to consuming the talks. |
[4384.22 --> 4388.48] But what about interacting with the KubeCon, the rest of the attendees? |
[4388.62 --> 4390.62] How do you do that or do you even do that? |
[4390.92 --> 4392.78] Yeah, I do try and remain active. |
[4392.78 --> 4394.48] I'll go back to the schedule first. |
[4394.64 --> 4395.84] Actually, just a little bit on that. |
[4396.16 --> 4400.62] So you're not the first person I've heard who has multiple talks running at the same time. |
[4400.70 --> 4402.02] There's a community member, Noel Georgie. |
[4402.10 --> 4402.34] Okay. |
[4402.46 --> 4404.86] Who does four or five talks at the same time as well, flicking between them. |
[4405.14 --> 4405.96] I don't know how you do it. |
[4406.00 --> 4407.42] I'm a complete single tasker. |
[4407.60 --> 4410.64] I just don't have the focus or attention plan to do multiples. |
[4411.14 --> 4412.52] So mad respect there. |
[4412.52 --> 4415.78] But I'm always following the operations track mostly, this KubeCon. |
[4415.94 --> 4419.96] As I was the chair of that track, I helped select all of the talks that you're going to see. |
[4420.06 --> 4420.62] Oh, wow. |
[4420.72 --> 4421.64] I didn't know that. |
[4421.90 --> 4422.18] Yeah. |
[4422.22 --> 4423.58] I don't think I've actually told anyone. |
[4423.80 --> 4425.80] I didn't even really talk about it on Twitter either. |
[4426.18 --> 4426.76] But I did share that. |
[4426.76 --> 4427.50] That's amazing. |
[4427.94 --> 4428.28] Wow. |
[4428.38 --> 4429.58] I helped pick all the talks. |
[4429.76 --> 4432.82] If you don't like them, it's sadly my fault and one other person. |
[4433.04 --> 4434.74] But it should be a pretty good KubeCon. |
[4434.74 --> 4435.18] Right. |
[4435.76 --> 4436.16] Okay. |
[4436.70 --> 4438.80] Well, then that means that you know all the talks. |
[4439.02 --> 4440.08] Well, not all the talk. |
[4440.26 --> 4445.64] Like, you have a good idea of the talks, of what are coming, the themes, the speakers. |
[4446.24 --> 4446.84] That's amazing. |
[4447.08 --> 4449.28] Anything that you would recommend in particular? |
[4449.44 --> 4452.90] Something that resonated with you from that track? |
[4453.02 --> 4453.26] Yeah. |
[4453.32 --> 4455.68] I think my bias definitely helped towards some of the selection. |
[4455.90 --> 4459.10] You know, I've got an affinity for GitOps and infrastructure as code. |
[4459.10 --> 4463.32] So there's a lot of really good sessions that feature using Argo for deployment. |
[4463.32 --> 4464.86] You know, we talked about that last time. |
[4465.06 --> 4466.48] I think we're both fans of the project. |
[4466.62 --> 4470.70] And we're just seeing more and more sessions submitted on Argo every single year. |
[4470.82 --> 4472.48] And it's just because of the demand. |
[4472.64 --> 4475.94] People want to be able to do this automated, GitOps-style-based deployment. |
[4476.08 --> 4477.28] So you'll see a lot of sessions there. |
[4477.50 --> 4482.02] A lot of sessions on infrastructure as code, but Terraform and Crossplane really popular this year. |
[4482.08 --> 4486.70] We've seen a lot, a lot of submissions talking about Crossplane, which is great to see. |
[4487.20 --> 4491.68] And of course, there's a few Pulumi sessions in there from some of my teammates, my new teammate Pulumi as well. |
[4491.68 --> 4492.10] I see. |
[4492.10 --> 4492.72] I see. |
[4492.86 --> 4493.10] Okay. |
[4493.32 --> 4493.62] Okay. |
[4494.18 --> 4497.72] So when it comes to GitOps, Flux or Argo? |
[4497.86 --> 4498.46] What do you think? |
[4498.70 --> 4500.40] Oh, I'm so on the fence. |
[4500.56 --> 4501.76] I actually use both. |
[4502.00 --> 4504.06] I really love the simplicity of Flux. |
[4504.18 --> 4505.80] It just seems to work. |
[4506.08 --> 4509.96] But I love the Argo UI, and I wish I could merge them together somehow. |
[4510.48 --> 4513.36] Well, previously we said, I mentioned that Flux are working on a UI. |
[4513.52 --> 4514.44] It's still super early. |
[4514.58 --> 4516.42] I don't recommend people use it yet. |
[4516.50 --> 4517.38] There are many, many bugs. |
[4517.38 --> 4523.18] But I do tend to use Flux, but I'm getting more familiar and comfortable using Argo. |
[4523.18 --> 4534.20] I think the challenge I've found with Argo is the custom resources are slightly more complicated, especially when you have to adopt the app of apps model, which is an app to deploy an app which has sub-apps. |
[4534.20 --> 4537.38] And I haven't really got my head around that completely. |
[4537.38 --> 4541.62] I'm not as fluent with it as I am with Flux, but I definitely think both tools are really great. |
[4541.78 --> 4543.42] I don't think you can go wrong with using either. |
[4543.56 --> 4547.36] I think it comes down to just whatever one you've used first, whatever one you're comfortable with. |
[4547.56 --> 4547.66] Yeah. |
[4547.74 --> 4548.50] Yeah, both great projects. |
[4548.72 --> 4548.88] Yeah. |
[4548.88 --> 4552.10] So it's a matter of trying them, I suppose, and see what works for you. |
[4552.28 --> 4553.40] That's one of my favorites. |
[4553.60 --> 4556.08] Well, we got this announcement, was it two years ago? |
[4556.14 --> 4561.52] Maybe you'll remember, but the team was into it, I think, were the original creators of Argo. |
[4562.16 --> 4569.28] And Flux came out of WeWorks, and they had this big joint announcement where they said they were going to consolidate both the tools to give us one GitOps tool to rule them all. |
[4569.34 --> 4570.92] And it was going to be called the GitOps toolkit. |
[4571.28 --> 4572.16] It never really happened. |
[4572.16 --> 4577.36] And now we're back to this divergence era where we have multiple tools kind of trying to fulfill the same thing. |
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