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[2316.82 --> 2319.72] Head there and see what this platform is all about.
[2320.04 --> 2322.38] Again, Acuity.io slash changelog.
[2322.50 --> 2324.10] Links are in the show notes.
[2324.56 --> 2327.48] And by Honeycomb, find your most perplexing application issues.
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[2343.90 --> 2344.36] problems.
[2344.82 --> 2346.28] And we use Honeycomb here at Change.
[2346.32 --> 2350.14] Well, that's why we welcome the opportunity to add them as one of our infrastructure partners.
[2350.66 --> 2354.84] In particular, we use Honeycomb to track down CDN issues recently, which we talked about
[2354.84 --> 2357.96] at length on the Kaizen edition of the Ship It podcast.
[2358.20 --> 2358.90] So check that out.
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[2371.18 --> 2375.26] tool to tool playing sleuth, trying to figure out how all the puzzle pieces fit together.
[2375.62 --> 2379.94] It's this context switching and tool sprawl that are slowly killing teams' effectiveness
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[2392.76 --> 2398.36] Join the swarm and try Honeycomb free today at honeycomb.io slash changelog.
[2398.48 --> 2401.98] Again, honeycomb.io slash changelog.
[2401.98 --> 2424.20] I kind of want to talk a little bit about learning mediums.
[2424.20 --> 2429.34] So each of you has created or taught content in this new world of online.
[2429.34 --> 2436.02] And so I would love to talk about your perspectives about pros and cons about each of these mediums.
[2436.08 --> 2440.66] And so, John, we're talking about your gopher sizes with code accompanied by videos.
[2441.06 --> 2442.70] Dave, this would be your online course.
[2443.22 --> 2445.78] Workshops that you've given at events and conferences, Ashley.
[2445.96 --> 2449.46] So what are some of the pros and cons about each of these mediums for beginners?
[2449.86 --> 2451.46] I guess I can start with some of them.
[2451.76 --> 2453.62] I like videos because you can show mistakes.
[2453.62 --> 2459.26] I think it's important, especially for beginners, to see that even experienced developers make mistakes,
[2459.26 --> 2462.80] but also to see how you get to derived code.
[2462.98 --> 2465.94] Because I think there's a lot of times where we'll just show them the final code.
[2466.58 --> 2470.42] And as developers, we know that there might be three refactors that got us there.
[2471.06 --> 2475.50] And I think having a video makes it possible to do that versus if you're doing a book or
[2475.50 --> 2478.94] something like that, it's much, much harder because to actually show them, well, I went to
[2478.94 --> 2480.32] this line and changed this one thing.
[2480.32 --> 2482.36] And then I went to this other file and changed this one thing.
[2482.46 --> 2483.46] Like, it becomes a lot.
[2483.92 --> 2487.28] So I think videos are really good for that sort of interactive or not quite interactive,
[2487.42 --> 2488.66] but, you know, something like that.
[2488.96 --> 2494.12] But I've also started to find that books are probably more accessible, which is something
[2494.12 --> 2498.94] that I hate about videos is that you almost need to find translators for a couple different
[2498.94 --> 2503.22] languages or you need to get somebody to come in and actually, like, write all the transcripts
[2503.22 --> 2505.60] up because anything automated just doesn't do a good enough job.
[2505.60 --> 2509.52] And so basically, that's something I've been struggling with lately is trying to figure
[2509.52 --> 2513.36] out the right approach to that, because I think that making videos more accessible is
[2513.36 --> 2515.34] something that needs to happen in the future.
[2515.88 --> 2520.24] So one of the things that I think is important, because I recognize that my courses have reached
[2520.24 --> 2525.00] 160 something different countries is having good closed captioning.
[2525.02 --> 2527.62] And I have to admit right now, my GoLine course doesn't have it yet.
[2527.62 --> 2533.32] But to second John's thoughts around closed captioning, because some people, you know,
[2533.36 --> 2537.50] they're coming off of, you know, where English may not be their native language.
[2537.62 --> 2538.96] They speak several different languages.
[2538.96 --> 2542.50] So having something there is extremely useful for them.
[2542.70 --> 2546.32] But the challenge is, is that the automated closed captioning just doesn't work.
[2546.40 --> 2551.90] I don't know how many times I've said Udemy and it gets translated to you and me on the
[2551.90 --> 2555.02] Udemy platform itself or something absolutely crazy.
[2555.02 --> 2559.40] And I'm thinking if there's any word that Udemy would have right in their closed captioning,
[2559.44 --> 2560.50] it would be Udemy, right?
[2560.76 --> 2563.74] So that is a huge technical challenge and hurdle.
[2563.98 --> 2568.84] But the other thing, you know, because I did have a background in teaching outside of this,
[2568.94 --> 2574.28] where I've done some workshops in person in advance of this type of experience, as well
[2574.28 --> 2581.30] as having tutored one on one, you lose that interaction when you have an online video.
[2581.30 --> 2587.72] And it is extremely difficult to iterate and make changes and there's substitutes for it.
[2587.80 --> 2590.20] But I like to see eyes, right?
[2590.26 --> 2596.10] And even just hello and putting content out there into the world is a very different platform
[2596.10 --> 2599.28] when you're doing a static video than when you're recording.
[2599.38 --> 2604.12] I think ideally what I'd almost prefer to do as I grow and continue to make new courses
[2604.12 --> 2607.38] is to teach in a live event, record those.
[2607.38 --> 2610.02] So at least I've got somebody else I'm talking to.
[2610.16 --> 2615.30] And if you see that deer in headlights look, you get that sense of, oh, okay, I've fallen
[2615.30 --> 2616.02] off track here.
[2616.18 --> 2620.52] I need some more explanation here because it was a very different approach.
[2621.02 --> 2624.10] Mind you, you get unlimited redos when you're recording video, right?
[2624.14 --> 2627.32] So it's, oh, that was, I needed more coffee or something, right?
[2627.32 --> 2632.76] So there's pros and cons of each, but it's a very, everyone has its own flavor and piece
[2632.76 --> 2633.24] to it, right?
[2633.24 --> 2637.48] I feel like every way that we do this is valuable.
[2637.90 --> 2640.02] We all have different learning styles.
[2640.20 --> 2643.88] For me, it's hard for me to consume the content on video.
[2644.06 --> 2648.16] I'm like, okay, now I have to pause the video and do this step, play the video again.
[2648.30 --> 2649.22] And then I go back.
[2649.26 --> 2650.56] I'm like, did I do that step right?
[2650.66 --> 2653.10] So for me, I like step-by-step instructions.
[2653.74 --> 2658.82] And so the workshops are really helpful, but the cons of a workshop is that a lot of people
[2658.82 --> 2660.64] are afraid to ask questions.
[2660.74 --> 2665.14] So they will sit there and act like they know what's going on when they don't know what's
[2665.14 --> 2665.66] going on.
[2665.66 --> 2668.94] So we have to constantly go around and be like, do you really understand?
[2669.26 --> 2670.34] You can ask questions.
[2670.50 --> 2671.18] It's fine.
[2672.00 --> 2678.34] So video, written tutorials, workshops, they're all valuable in their own way.
[2678.40 --> 2679.38] We all learn differently.