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[2986.68 --> 2990.66] especially the in-person groups, you'll find, you know, that there are go user groups. |
[2990.66 --> 2991.66] There's a go user group. |
[2992.02 --> 2998.00] I live in a fairly small city in Canada called Winnipeg, which is smack central in the prairies. |
[2998.50 --> 3001.00] And yet we have a thriving go user group locally. |
[3001.78 --> 3006.86] And so, you know, unless you're rural, you may be able to find, you know, where you can |
[3006.86 --> 3010.62] crash a go user group, even if you're traveling and to connect with go users in person, which |
[3010.62 --> 3011.48] I think is amazing. |
[3012.12 --> 3013.54] Plus one to go user groups. |
[3013.98 --> 3018.98] Yeah, we're actually trying to build that up and strengthen a unified go user group, if |
[3018.98 --> 3020.58] you will, called the Go Developer Network. |
[3020.74 --> 3024.44] So I joined Google a couple of months ago, and I have another colleague that joined the |
[3024.44 --> 3025.10] team recently. |
[3025.24 --> 3026.12] His name is Van Riper. |
[3026.88 --> 3032.82] And he wants to complement GoBridge's efforts, as well as Women Who Go's efforts, into sort |
[3032.82 --> 3038.02] of getting this network of groups to be able to maybe give them content, help them maybe |
[3038.02 --> 3041.78] something like a live broadcast, give them a chance to go at their own pace. |
[3041.88 --> 3046.40] But I really like the idea of community and the importance of in-person learning and trying |
[3046.40 --> 3050.84] to balance that off with the people for whom maybe online courses are not working. |
[3051.20 --> 3054.26] I think it's a really good thing that that's something you focus on. |
[3054.70 --> 3057.36] Because like we talked about all these things with learning languages, but we didn't really |
[3057.36 --> 3061.54] talk about the community or the fact that like some coding communities really weren't |
[3061.54 --> 3062.80] that inclusive or inviting. |
[3063.40 --> 3067.64] And I think the fact that Go has stressed that from the start is one of the huge things |
[3067.64 --> 3071.00] for learning it, at least as a, you know, especially if you happen to be in a minority group |
[3071.00 --> 3075.52] or something that can be very helpful that you can actually feel okay being yourself and |
[3075.52 --> 3077.42] not having to pretend you're somebody else's you're learning. |
[3077.78 --> 3078.16] Absolutely. |
[3078.42 --> 3081.72] That's why I moved from Python to Go. |
[3082.30 --> 3084.46] Python community is fine. |
[3084.72 --> 3090.54] But so I found that within the Go community, there is no such thing as a dumb question. |
[3090.54 --> 3093.58] And I am really, really good at asking dumb questions. |
[3094.22 --> 3096.64] And people are just super, super helpful. |
[3096.78 --> 3098.62] They will go out of their way to help you. |
[3098.62 --> 3102.80] I have never been part of a community like this. |
[3103.52 --> 3103.76] Agreed. |
[3104.10 --> 3106.78] And it's the reason why I chose Go and stuck with Go. |
[3106.96 --> 3108.62] And I just really am happy for that. |
[3108.76 --> 3111.00] So yeah, thank you, John, for bringing that up. |
[3111.02 --> 3115.58] Because it is, I feel, of paramount importance in terms of learning the language, mastering |
[3115.58 --> 3119.42] the language, and then staying and keeping and communicating to the language. |
[3119.70 --> 3122.34] One thing you mentioned, Dave, was Awesome Go. |
[3122.48 --> 3126.30] There's also Go or LibHunt, which I think works for all languages. |
[3126.30 --> 3130.18] And then they have go.libhunt.com, which is a similar thing, right? |
[3130.22 --> 3135.62] You can go see third-party packages and kind of compare them to other packages depending |
[3135.62 --> 3136.58] on what you want to do. |
[3137.08 --> 3139.06] They sort of release the newest, greatest. |
[3139.42 --> 3142.36] And I kind of like that to keep up with my things. |
[3142.52 --> 3146.22] I know that Mark Bates, who is a panelist on the show, along with Corey Lanoue, they made |
[3146.22 --> 3147.22] Go for Guides. |
[3147.22 --> 3152.42] And I think this is kind of along those same lines of trying to find a path or a curated |
[3152.42 --> 3156.96] path based on a certain thing that you want to learn, whether that's a data structure or |
[3156.96 --> 3158.20] a type or an algorithm. |
[3158.64 --> 3160.80] So I'm going to give a little shout out to them for that. |
[3161.44 --> 3165.56] Any other resources for people to go or their go-tos, pun intended? |
[3165.72 --> 3168.70] We've been very short on go puns this episode. |
[3168.94 --> 3169.58] Shame on us. |
[3169.58 --> 3173.66] I think one that everybody always says, and it's very hard, but if you can find an open |
[3173.66 --> 3177.96] source project you like, it can be daunting at first because you'll be like, how do I |
[3177.96 --> 3178.56] get started here? |
[3178.62 --> 3179.46] There's so much there. |
[3179.70 --> 3180.98] But you mentioned Mark Bates. |
[3181.08 --> 3185.36] I think one of the things that he's done a great job with Buffalo is that he can help |
[3185.36 --> 3188.40] people get started and be like, just help with documentation or help with something |
[3188.40 --> 3191.04] that's relatively easy as you get familiar with stuff. |
[3191.54 --> 3195.70] But that one comes to mind because there were one or two people that were very, very early |
[3195.70 --> 3197.68] students of one of the courses I made. |
[3197.68 --> 3201.66] And they later were telling me that they were actually contributing pretty like more heavily |
[3201.66 --> 3202.54] to those projects. |
[3202.54 --> 3206.88] And it was because they really helped them grow as a developer and learn more about them |
[3206.88 --> 3209.04] and get to the point where they could actually fix PRs. |
[3209.48 --> 3211.08] And it's not going to happen overnight. |
[3211.32 --> 3215.48] I don't think you can ever as a beginner jump into a project and make meaningful code changes |
[3215.48 --> 3217.00] or big code changes. |
[3217.26 --> 3221.98] And people who run open source projects have to resist this urge to fix a one line bug. |
[3222.38 --> 3224.88] They sort of have to set it aside for a beginner to tackle. |
[3224.88 --> 3230.00] But if you can find the right projects and maybe ask around in the Go community for suggestions, |
[3230.00 --> 3234.96] that's a great way to grow where you just gradually do small changes and work your way up to handling |
[3234.96 --> 3236.06] more and more of the code base. |
[3236.52 --> 3236.84] I agree. |
[3236.96 --> 3238.86] That is advice I give often. |
[3239.66 --> 3245.92] And what I would like to see in the future is people prioritizing PRs. |
[3246.00 --> 3248.00] Like, here's what's great for a beginner. |
[3248.30 --> 3250.32] Here's what's great for people that are more advanced. |
[3250.46 --> 3252.26] There's a site called Up4Grabs. |
[3252.26 --> 3253.62] It's not .com. |
[3253.70 --> 3255.06] I can't remember what it is. |
[3255.10 --> 3260.16] But it does just that, where it's like, these are great bug fixes that you can do as a beginner. |
[3260.62 --> 3261.98] And so it will rank things. |
[3262.12 --> 3264.98] I would love to see people do that within open source in general. |
[3265.40 --> 3265.64] Yeah. |
[3265.84 --> 3269.06] I love when GitHub tags, like, great first issue. |
[3269.26 --> 3271.34] And then you can just kind of sort by the tags. |
[3271.34 --> 3286.26] And then they've optimized their project, not for getting things done necessarily, but for, well, yes, that's certainly important, but also for being inclusive and trying to onboard new members into their project or their ecosystem and whatnot. |
[3286.72 --> 3293.30] Another one is first timers only, where basically they limit specific issues and you have to be a first time contributor to that project to do it. |
[3293.48 --> 3294.28] Oh, that's nice. |
[3294.46 --> 3294.78] Love it. |
[3294.78 --> 3299.76] And we would be remiss if we didn't mention Golang-Newbies channel in the Gopher Slack. |
[3299.94 --> 3305.20] When I first began, I just loved being able to ask, as Ashley said, all the questions. |
[3305.48 --> 3310.66] And I was sort of fearless because I had people that I already had met in person that said, just ask the question. |
[3310.78 --> 3316.48] And when you do, if you do that, then it will make people more comfortable in asking what they are afraid of to ask questions. |
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