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[2680.16 --> 2684.26] Just to chime in one additional, like one of the reasons I have never focused on workshops, |
[2684.38 --> 2685.78] conferences, that sort of stuff as much. |
[2685.78 --> 2689.02] And I think it's easy to forget when you live in a city, but if there's a lot of people |
[2689.02 --> 2693.60] who live nowhere near a city or they don't have the resources to pay for a workshop or |
[2693.60 --> 2697.82] something, like to give you an example, I live two hours away from the nearest city and that's |
[2697.82 --> 2699.76] Pittsburgh, which is not exactly a massive city. |
[2700.26 --> 2703.80] So, you know, just knowing that there's a lot of people out there who cannot go to that |
[2703.80 --> 2704.34] type of thing. |
[2704.44 --> 2708.04] I definitely think that there's a good, like you said, we need almost everything because |
[2708.04 --> 2711.60] some people are going to do better in the workshops and some people will meet more people |
[2711.60 --> 2713.16] and they'll actually collaborate with them afterwards. |
[2713.16 --> 2715.62] Other people will do online courses. |
[2716.08 --> 2719.76] I think one of the big things I've just noticed is that people find other people to collaborate |
[2719.76 --> 2720.76] with and to learn with. |
[2720.84 --> 2722.10] That's very, very huge. |
[2722.98 --> 2730.04] So like collaboration in person, looking or gauging for like deer in the headlights, course |
[2730.04 --> 2730.50] correcting. |
[2731.08 --> 2733.48] That's typically been the traditional way of learning, right? |
[2733.52 --> 2737.76] But it doesn't scale and doesn't scale the teacher and it's not accessible to, you know, |
[2737.82 --> 2739.54] rural and suburban learners. |
[2740.00 --> 2740.96] I think it can scale. |
[2740.96 --> 2742.08] It just scales differently. |
[2742.46 --> 2746.18] Like one way I've seen it scale is I've seen people who do online courses and they'll |
[2746.18 --> 2750.02] essentially have, they call them classes or whatever, but essentially a bunch of people |
[2750.02 --> 2755.50] sign up and they say like, all right, we're going to start in maybe December and every |
[2755.50 --> 2758.58] week you're supposed to go through so much content and then you're all like in a Slack |
[2758.58 --> 2761.74] channel or something and you discuss that content and you're sort of expected to keep |
[2761.74 --> 2763.44] up with the classroom on that content. |
[2763.70 --> 2767.86] It's less acceptable in the sense that you can't just start whenever you want. |
[2767.86 --> 2771.64] But I think there are ways to sort of get that simulated classroom environment. |
[2772.16 --> 2774.94] And I think that's, you know, as course creators, it's things we have to think about. |
[2775.00 --> 2777.02] Like, is there a way that we can make that possible? |
[2777.32 --> 2779.76] I think tools like Slack have made it much, much better too. |
[2780.28 --> 2783.92] Like I've gotten into this habit of like all the courses I have, I provide support for, |
[2784.34 --> 2786.40] but I've gotten into this habit of any of the paid courses. |
[2786.40 --> 2790.36] If you, you got access to a Slack and I basically say, ask your question there. |
[2790.36 --> 2794.16] Even if you email it to me and I can answer in five seconds, I say, ask the question there |
[2794.16 --> 2797.72] because this is the best way to foster this growth between different people taking the |
[2797.72 --> 2798.06] courses. |
[2798.06 --> 2800.64] Like you each try to answer the questions and help each other out. |
[2800.76 --> 2802.80] And that will, you know, establish that learning. |
[2802.90 --> 2804.68] It'll help you like get used to helping each other. |
[2804.96 --> 2808.92] And over time, it's gotten to this point where I can sometimes check the Slack and somebody |
[2808.92 --> 2811.52] will have asked a question and somebody will have answered it better than I could have before |
[2811.52 --> 2812.30] I even got to it. |
[2812.66 --> 2813.34] Oh, that's great. |
[2813.34 --> 2814.30] Yeah, that's always great. |
[2814.38 --> 2817.98] The feedback loops and in-person for me is where I can get unblocked. |
[2818.02 --> 2823.16] And I know that the other exercise site that I've tried is exorcism.io for not just Go, |
[2823.22 --> 2824.28] but a variety of languages. |
[2824.84 --> 2826.72] And I was a mentor for Go. |
[2826.94 --> 2832.22] And so when I signed on to be a mentor, they were like, listen, if you agree to sort of walk |
[2832.22 --> 2837.90] through the code exercise, we all kind of as a community try to get the next person in |
[2837.90 --> 2840.38] the queue so that their feedback is as quick as possible. |
[2840.38 --> 2845.62] So there was that like online mentorship and trying to scale that differently, as you said. |
[2846.06 --> 2847.94] So I love exorcism.io. |
[2848.46 --> 2850.22] Thanks, Katrina and team. |
[2850.98 --> 2855.84] Also, I feel like I need to mention it because it's great and we haven't talked about it yet, |
[2855.84 --> 2857.82] but just for funk, I love it. |
[2858.10 --> 2858.30] Yeah. |
[2858.76 --> 2863.70] And I just wanted to ask John before I kind of talk about other possible resources for |
[2863.70 --> 2864.24] gophers. |
[2864.24 --> 2868.56] Can you tell us a little bit more about where learners could go for gophersizes? |
[2868.80 --> 2873.88] Are they going to get that content for asking questions within the course as they sign on? |
[2874.38 --> 2877.48] So gophersizes, there's a channel in the gopher Slack. |
[2877.62 --> 2877.80] Okay. |
[2878.18 --> 2879.12] Hashtag gophersizes. |
[2879.62 --> 2880.64] And there's some people there. |
[2880.70 --> 2882.10] I don't know if that one's actually that active. |
[2882.44 --> 2885.12] That one's a little bit harder because it's not paid. |
[2885.28 --> 2887.06] So supporting, it's a little bit trickier. |
[2887.32 --> 2889.88] And people email me and I do try to answer where I can. |
[2889.88 --> 2893.70] You know, in the Slack, if they ask questions, I think I try to check there every so often |
[2893.70 --> 2894.24] and respond. |
[2894.72 --> 2898.82] So all those are options because I think that one right now has something like 20,000 students |
[2898.82 --> 2902.92] and it can be a little bit trickier sometimes whenever I've got a bunch of other things |
[2902.92 --> 2903.42] I have to do. |
[2903.92 --> 2906.74] But I do try to help and I do try to answer email and that sort of stuff. |
[2906.80 --> 2908.18] So like those are all viable options. |
[2908.66 --> 2908.76] Great. |
[2909.22 --> 2910.96] Well, we're about 10 minutes out. |
[2911.36 --> 2915.24] Let's go beyond Hello World or go 101 and go 201. |
[2915.94 --> 2917.62] So we can start to name. |
[2917.62 --> 2921.26] So we have a great foundational course and we have exercises. |
[2921.66 --> 2925.94] Where else can go beginners go next once they get there? |
[2926.12 --> 2927.10] I'll jump in there. |
[2927.18 --> 2930.82] So one of the, you know, once you've sort of got your head around some basic go, you've |
[2930.82 --> 2934.24] done lots of different examples and you have the basic language across. |
[2934.46 --> 2939.88] I think at that point, you know, jumping into effective go in terms of learning how to write |
[2939.88 --> 2943.58] good, clean, idiomatic go code is your very next step. |
[2943.68 --> 2947.30] And then as Ashley was mentioning, you know, and we were talking about building examples, |
[2947.30 --> 2953.28] another item I think that is fantastic, which is similar to awesome Python is awesome go. |
[2953.28 --> 2959.10] And if you go to awesome hyphen go.com, you'll end up with a list of, you know, curated go |
[2959.10 --> 2960.74] frameworks, libraries and software. |
[2961.30 --> 2965.32] And, you know, anything that floats your boat, you know, whether you're interested in audio |
[2965.32 --> 2970.86] and music or bot building or, you know, any kind of different piece, there are some really |
[2970.86 --> 2973.70] outstanding resources available there. |
[2974.30 --> 2978.56] And then finally, I think, you know, the third thing I'd lead off with in that respect would be |
[2978.56 --> 2980.44] to go to go user groups, right? |
[2980.52 --> 2986.62] Because almost any geography that you're in, either there's online forums or in-person groups, |
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