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[3316.78 --> 3318.90] So, yes, Golang-Newbies and Gopher Slack. |
[3318.90 --> 3328.76] It's funny because that reminds me of before GoTime got rebooted, I was talking to Matt Reier and he had said that one of his goals was to say, I don't know in the podcast at least once or twice. |
[3329.30 --> 3334.12] And his goal for that was basically just so beginners realize that it's okay to admit you don't know and to ask questions. |
[3334.54 --> 3342.00] And I think that's important, like you said, just to really reinforce that it's okay to ask questions and that nobody's going to think you're a bad developer or something because of it. |
[3342.10 --> 3342.38] Yes. |
[3342.74 --> 3345.12] No, and there's so much that Matt doesn't know. |
[3345.12 --> 3349.30] We had to throw Matt some shade. |
[3349.50 --> 3355.04] So, I think our issue, our episode is quasi-complete because we have thrown Matt some shade. |
[3355.14 --> 3356.30] We've given Steve a hello. |
[3357.12 --> 3359.94] We mentioned Mark and his Gopher guides. |
[3361.12 --> 3362.98] Anything else we're missing before we go? |
[3363.22 --> 3374.40] Well, just to add on the question piece, one thing I notice, you know, with the courses that I teach, so often someone asks a question and the next thing you know, there's a crowd of Me Too's. |
[3374.40 --> 3376.42] And I'm like, where were you a minute ago? |
[3376.70 --> 3381.32] You know, like, you know, why did, you know, so-and-so have to be the first one to ask? |
[3381.46 --> 3388.70] And then inevitably when the answer, you know, is made, you get a handful of a dozen or so thank yous. |
[3388.74 --> 3394.26] And you're like, you know, make it interactive, especially when you're trying to bring, you know, that about. |
[3394.58 --> 3399.70] I really find that people are unnecessarily shy for whatever reason. |
[3400.32 --> 3402.22] It's not even unnecessarily shy. |
[3402.22 --> 3408.26] I think that people's fear of embarrassment rules them, right? |
[3408.40 --> 3409.38] It's all psychological. |
[3409.62 --> 3414.72] So there has to be somebody in the room who just doesn't embarrass by not knowing something. |
[3415.10 --> 3415.18] Yeah. |
[3415.28 --> 3425.22] I think it's also how you answer can make a huge impact because if you make it sound like it was something obvious or another example is like if somebody says like, well, I'm not sure, but I want to try to help you. |
[3425.22 --> 3429.48] And if you just jump in and just disregard everything they said, then they're not going to try that in the future. |
[3429.72 --> 3439.42] So like I think there's a lot of thinking about how we answer questions and how we present stuff to people and just trying to be as, I don't know, gentle or friendly as possible is very important. |
[3439.98 --> 3440.42] Absolutely. |
[3440.72 --> 3441.18] Very good. |
[3441.52 --> 3448.10] Definitely encourage those people to ask more questions might open it up for other people to ask questions. |
[3448.10 --> 3448.54] Great. |
[3449.58 --> 3452.26] Well, we're kind of coming up on the top of the hour. |
[3452.40 --> 3454.88] There's a couple of things I wanted to mention. |
[3455.34 --> 3459.86] First of all, there's one last segment that I'm really interested in learning more about. |
[3459.98 --> 3465.10] And I made a survey because I'm just going to like I am not a survey designer, but I really am curious. |
[3465.56 --> 3470.94] How many of you here on this panel have had to learn a new programming language while on the job? |
[3470.94 --> 3471.68] I have. |
[3471.96 --> 3472.16] Yeah. |
[3472.38 --> 3482.68] And is learning while on the job, whether it's because you have to or you're exploring for, you know, new tooling or because it's, you know, a change in the technical stack? |
[3482.78 --> 3489.22] Like how does learning or beginning from that headspace any different from learning maybe on your own time? |
[3489.86 --> 3495.76] I feel like it's different because usually if it's for work, you know why you need to learn it. |
[3495.96 --> 3496.16] Okay. |
[3496.68 --> 3500.10] So you kind of have some base knowledge, right? |
[3500.10 --> 3506.06] So you're like, I have to learn it because I need to build this feature or we're building this tool and that's why I have to learn it. |
[3506.12 --> 3508.14] So you can Google more specifically. |
[3509.28 --> 3509.64] Okay. |
[3510.34 --> 3511.20] John, Dave? |
[3511.34 --> 3512.48] I've had to learn on the job. |
[3512.88 --> 3520.02] And I think like Ashley said, it's specifics, but it's also like your focus is on being productive, not academic learning. |
[3520.32 --> 3525.66] So that forces you to not let yourself get distracted as much, I guess, is the best way to put it. |
[3525.66 --> 3535.00] You know, so like if you need to build a web server, whatever, a WebSocket server or something, you're going to focus more on, I just need to get this done and I can come back and fine tune it later. |
[3535.00 --> 3537.48] Or I can come back and look at those things I'm not quite sure about later. |
[3537.48 --> 3543.70] Whereas when you're learning it just, you know, for leisure, it's, there's no really like time restrictions or anything. |
[3543.70 --> 3545.84] So you have a little bit more ability to get distracted. |
[3546.14 --> 3555.22] Well, I think that getting distracted is the enjoyment that you have when you decide to explore something in your own personal time for your own personal benefit. |
[3555.32 --> 3555.52] Right. |
[3555.58 --> 3556.64] You can go down those rabbit holes. |
[3556.78 --> 3557.46] You can explore. |
[3557.72 --> 3559.78] It's almost like a buffet of knowledge. |
[3560.24 --> 3562.24] And I love reading and learning. |
[3562.36 --> 3567.78] I listen to a lot of podcasts because I want to experience those tangential things that I may not otherwise have. |
[3567.78 --> 3580.36] But I mean, I will say, even though programming isn't a day to day part of my job, I think anyone in IT or anyone in the world in general can literally have what happened to me this recent Friday where the CIO called the boss. |
[3580.36 --> 3580.70] Right. |
[3580.72 --> 3583.12] And said, I want Dave full time on this other project. |
[3583.62 --> 3586.08] Whatever he's doing right now goes away. |
[3586.16 --> 3586.48] Right. |
[3586.52 --> 3588.56] And the next thing you know, it's OK. |
[3588.84 --> 3596.60] So let's figure out, you know, how we're going to approach this and and what I need to do there and what his objectives are and and how do I fulfill those? |
[3596.60 --> 3600.68] So it's very pointed because you're trying to get to a particular objective. |
[3600.68 --> 3607.82] But the pleasure of just learning something for kicks and giggles sometimes can be there's a joy with that as well. |
[3607.86 --> 3608.18] Right. |
[3608.22 --> 3613.02] And it's different than when you're trying to fulfill, you know, what the CIO asked on a Friday morning. |
[3613.18 --> 3613.62] Yeah. |
[3613.80 --> 3614.14] Yes. |
[3614.32 --> 3617.80] I guess I should say those distractions, like you said, can be very good things. |
[3617.80 --> 3622.26] But I just think that's one of the big differences is that, like, sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad. |
[3622.26 --> 3629.90] And I think that having them there, it's just is one of the big differences for me is I just felt like in the work environment, I never was. |
[3630.30 --> 3633.74] I never had that freedom to just really go look at the stuff, explore things. |
[3634.08 --> 3636.98] You know, you can't like go compare three different HTTP routers. |
[3637.08 --> 3638.42] It's like I just need to pick one and use it. |
[3638.64 --> 3639.08] Exactly. |
[3639.24 --> 3643.40] No, you definitely get less in the weeds when it's for work. |
[3643.66 --> 3644.22] Very cool. |
[3644.36 --> 3646.08] I want to hear more about this. |
[3646.08 --> 3649.40] I am going to put a link in the chat. |
[3649.80 --> 3653.00] It's bit.ly slash on job code survey. |
[3654.00 --> 3657.36] And I just I'm going to share it on my Twitter and maybe everyone else can share it. |
[3657.42 --> 3659.82] I just want to know because that's kind of my my one. |
[3660.24 --> 3661.30] How is that different? |
[3661.56 --> 3669.96] And are there any gaps out there in the ocean of content that you think that need to be most filled at this point as we close out? |
[3670.32 --> 3670.88] Children's book. |
[3671.16 --> 3671.74] Dang it. |
[3672.08 --> 3672.50] All right. |
[3672.60 --> 3674.02] I think that's what is happening. |
[3674.42 --> 3675.14] Children's book. |
[3675.14 --> 3676.06] It is happening. |
[3676.44 --> 3677.60] Please do it. |
[3677.76 --> 3681.98] Brian Kettleson and I were supposed to do it, but we are just far too busy. |
[3682.74 --> 3684.88] I really need somebody to do this. |
[3685.12 --> 3686.78] Just selfishly, please do it. |
[3687.40 --> 3687.80] Amazing. |
[3688.40 --> 3693.60] I almost feel like there needs to be resources teaching people how to ignore all the bad advice they're going to get. |
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