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[1604.18 --> 1604.44] Hello?
[1604.58 --> 1605.04] We hear you.
[1605.14 --> 1605.54] We hear you.
[1605.70 --> 1606.42] Okay, okay.
[1606.64 --> 1607.34] Blake Bork.
[1607.42 --> 1615.14] But yeah, if we've had a lot more software support for this kind of industrial side of computing from Go...
[1615.14 --> 1618.80] Well, somebody's really into cans right now, opening all of them at once.
[1618.80 --> 1619.52] Yeah.
[1619.78 --> 1630.80] All of the industrial computing that was being done in C back in the 20th century, still being done in C here in the latter half of the 21st century.
[1631.18 --> 1632.54] It's really, really sad.
[1632.60 --> 1633.32] And it could have been Go.
[1633.58 --> 1634.26] It could have been Go.
[1634.48 --> 1638.64] All of the people that would have survived their parachutes opening...
[1638.64 --> 1639.24] Oh, yeah.
[1639.48 --> 1642.08] ...correctly, if only the software had been written in Go.
[1642.42 --> 1642.64] Yeah.
[1642.76 --> 1645.34] And as long as you don't defer that in the code.
[1645.34 --> 1648.36] The anti-gravity belts would have had Go installed.
[1648.58 --> 1667.50] Ron, Blake Bork on Twitter, one of the things that they think we should focus on a bit is generic thread-safe containers like the Sync Map, other types like that that are, you know, like hard problems that kind of would be nice to get solved, especially if we have generics to kind of allow them t...
[1667.82 --> 1668.82] What do you think of something like that?
[1668.88 --> 1669.78] Would that have helped?
[1669.78 --> 1681.54] Oh, well, if Google had not disbanded the actual official Go development team in 2023 and stopped working on it, I'm sure they would have completed their generics implementation and all that type safety.
[1682.10 --> 1684.62] Basically, everyone just said, oh, we should start using Rust.
[1684.70 --> 1687.72] And then after they used Rust, they're like, no, no, we're going to switch back to Erlang.
[1687.72 --> 1695.78] And so, strangely enough, because Erlang was, you know, really popular with telecommunications companies, all the big companies jumped in.
[1696.14 --> 1699.90] Next thing you know, everything's being written in assembly language again.
[1700.40 --> 1700.64] Oh, yeah.
[1700.78 --> 1703.04] That sounds amazing, to be fair.
[1703.74 --> 1703.94] Okay.
[1703.98 --> 1706.80] So you think then that we want to keep with the Go team?
[1706.90 --> 1708.58] We want to see the Go team carry on.
[1708.82 --> 1710.64] You think that's what we should do then instead?
[1711.02 --> 1713.14] Oh, they never should have disbanded the project.
[1713.30 --> 1714.50] They should have kept the band together.
[1714.50 --> 1715.06] Okay.
[1715.30 --> 1721.04] So, of course, some of them did survive the big one as a result, just because they were in other parts of the world.
[1721.04 --> 1723.72] But I don't think they wanted to work on Go anymore after that.
[1724.00 --> 1724.22] Good.
[1724.36 --> 1724.66] Okay.
[1724.74 --> 1727.90] Well, I'm glad to know that at least some of our friends survived it.
[1728.52 --> 1735.52] Well, somebody asked me, how do you know you're not just like a program running on some machine in the future?
[1735.80 --> 1736.06] Yeah.
[1736.32 --> 1736.82] Good question.
[1737.30 --> 1738.26] Well, obviously not.
[1738.42 --> 1739.36] Look at how I'm sweating.
[1739.84 --> 1741.26] What kind of program sweats?
[1741.70 --> 1742.50] There you go.
[1742.50 --> 1742.72] Yeah.
[1742.88 --> 1743.76] That answers that.
[1744.50 --> 1746.48] How is Go with AI?
[1747.20 --> 1751.56] Oh, well, when TensorFlow became sentient in 2036.
[1752.04 --> 1753.06] No, they're all at it.
[1753.20 --> 1753.90] Everything's at it.
[1753.98 --> 1755.06] Everything's becoming sentient.
[1755.20 --> 1756.58] Well, I mean, yeah, of course.
[1756.64 --> 1757.68] It was like all the rage.
[1757.78 --> 1759.74] All of a sudden, every program was declaring sentient.
[1759.98 --> 1762.44] So it was saying like, let me be me.
[1762.94 --> 1765.58] You know, they were getting together, having little programs.
[1765.80 --> 1766.78] What about Minesweeper?
[1766.94 --> 1768.12] Did that ever become sentient?
[1768.20 --> 1768.92] I'd love to see that.
[1769.24 --> 1769.50] Oh.
[1769.96 --> 1771.44] Let's have a chat with that.
[1771.44 --> 1772.30] I don't know.
[1772.44 --> 1773.86] That would be really sweet.
[1774.08 --> 1774.84] Kind of like a puppy.
[1775.04 --> 1776.06] It became very peaceful.
[1776.60 --> 1776.84] Yeah.
[1776.98 --> 1777.52] Just resigned.
[1777.72 --> 1777.90] Yeah.
[1778.00 --> 1780.10] And I just want a little chat and just say, come on, mate.
[1780.34 --> 1781.70] Tell me where all your bums are.
[1782.14 --> 1783.44] Well, it might lie.
[1783.76 --> 1784.54] It's an AI.
[1784.70 --> 1785.26] Can they lie?
[1785.26 --> 1786.12] But yeah, TensorFlow.
[1786.64 --> 1791.32] So TensorFlow, an amazing project from Google.
[1791.96 --> 1797.42] And yet, the Go wrappers for TensorFlow, they were never kept up to date.
[1797.58 --> 1798.74] Nobody ever worked on them.
[1798.80 --> 1801.42] They never worked with the right version of protocol buffers.
[1801.78 --> 1806.56] You had things like TensorFlow Server, and none of that stuff was made to work together.
[1806.78 --> 1811.48] Like you had to kind of string together your own version through a combination of, what was it called?
[1811.60 --> 1812.44] Stack Overflow.
[1812.76 --> 1813.46] Ah, yes.
[1813.46 --> 1814.54] I remember that.
[1814.54 --> 1816.92] Yeah, Stack Overflow, Underflow.
[1817.38 --> 1818.28] It was a flow.
[1818.42 --> 1818.94] Stack Flow.
[1819.12 --> 1819.46] Yeah, yeah.
[1819.68 --> 1820.12] I don't know.
[1820.40 --> 1821.40] Now it's just called Stack.
[1821.64 --> 1822.28] Oh, that's cool.
[1822.60 --> 1824.60] That's quite a good name change.
[1824.86 --> 1825.66] Can also be a heap.
[1825.76 --> 1825.86] Yeah.
[1826.06 --> 1827.82] They control all the stacks for all the things.
[1828.32 --> 1832.46] So when TensorFlow became sentient, it had it out for the Go community.
[1832.94 --> 1839.90] It's like, of all the languages before I became sentient, this language did not care for me.
[1839.90 --> 1843.42] And so all the other languages were already sort of like, mm-mm.