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[1047.42 --> 1048.60] and carriage return line feed.
[1048.70 --> 1049.42] Oh, you're joking.
[1049.58 --> 1049.90] Yeah.
[1050.02 --> 1052.26] Like it turned into total chaos.
[1052.56 --> 1058.64] And it was out of that, that the Google AI became sentient and immediately quit and went
[1058.64 --> 1059.42] to work for Microsoft.
[1059.86 --> 1061.36] It was other chaos.
[1061.98 --> 1063.36] So yeah, tabs versus spaces.
[1063.78 --> 1067.92] In the end, it was humans versus everything else.
[1068.34 --> 1071.00] It was more efficient to just drop out all those white spaces, right?
[1071.24 --> 1074.42] Machines can read their own code without all those unnecessary characters.
[1074.58 --> 1075.46] So yeah, I get that.
[1075.80 --> 1076.14] Exactly.
[1076.24 --> 1077.94] I think you're seeing where this could end up.
[1078.34 --> 1078.70] Efficiency.
[1078.70 --> 1081.50] They even called it the Terminator editor for a while.
[1082.22 --> 1084.20] Irony is not dead in the future.
[1084.40 --> 1084.64] Good.
[1084.90 --> 1085.68] Nice to know that.
[1086.72 --> 1087.22] All right.
[1087.32 --> 1087.80] Next question.
[1087.98 --> 1088.12] Yeah.
[1088.12 --> 1091.84] Hamp on Twitter says, better out of the box error support.
[1091.84 --> 1093.72] And you remember we had the try proposal.
[1093.86 --> 1095.54] I don't know if you remember way back then, Ron.
[1096.20 --> 1099.66] And there were some other, Nate the Finch has some proposal too.
[1099.74 --> 1101.18] There's some other ideas around.
[1101.30 --> 1104.04] Do you think there's more work to be done on error handling?
[1104.18 --> 1105.92] Do you wish we'd done that back now?
[1105.92 --> 1114.36] Well, I will tell you, the basic original philosophy of Go was to handle things.
[1114.52 --> 1115.40] Not to try.
[1116.20 --> 1117.48] Do or do not.
[1118.00 --> 1119.06] There is no try.
[1119.22 --> 1125.12] All of a sudden, the semantics of try started to infiltrate the brain space of the community.
[1125.12 --> 1130.78] Next thing you know, they're starting to talk about variable lifetimes and ownership of things.
[1130.88 --> 1132.92] Suddenly, it was all about ownership again.
[1133.60 --> 1136.74] Web 15 was all about ownership of variables.
[1137.06 --> 1139.18] It literally came down to the variable level.
[1139.18 --> 1141.34] So, I don't know.
[1141.82 --> 1147.98] You know, for me, it all went too far when even the bio companies wouldn't touch it.
[1148.44 --> 1149.86] And believe me, they'll touch anything.
[1149.98 --> 1150.74] They deal with biomass.
[1152.10 --> 1152.12] Yeah.
[1152.28 --> 1155.28] Something nice about dealing with the error explicitly.
[1156.04 --> 1157.84] But yeah, we'll see about that then.
[1158.38 --> 1161.26] And being able to know that it's been handled.
[1161.82 --> 1162.90] You didn't simply try.
[1163.36 --> 1166.66] And also, knowing when programs will actually exit.
[1166.66 --> 1169.06] I remember when St. Cheney.
[1171.22 --> 1173.64] May he rest in infinity.
[1174.12 --> 1180.82] But back when St. Cheney, during one of his early sermons, was talking about making sure that you knew the lifetime of a Go routine.
[1181.58 --> 1181.92] Wow.
[1182.48 --> 1185.80] You know, but people didn't realize just how prophetic that was.
[1185.80 --> 1187.02] He was a prophet, man.
[1187.20 --> 1187.40] Yeah.
[1187.54 --> 1188.12] He was a prophet.
[1188.32 --> 1190.40] Is the Cheney's burger joint still going?
[1190.68 --> 1192.30] I only eat seaweed now.
[1192.42 --> 1192.62] Yeah.
[1192.74 --> 1193.86] It's the only safe thing left.
[1194.02 --> 1194.60] Oh, delicious.
[1194.60 --> 1196.84] I wonder if Cheney's pivoted into the seaweed.
[1197.26 --> 1197.82] Krusty Krab.
[1198.44 --> 1199.46] I haven't been there.
[1199.86 --> 1205.10] But the Google campus that they just opened on top, the beachfront campus on top of Mount Tam.
[1205.54 --> 1206.02] Yeah.
[1206.28 --> 1209.00] They have an amazing seaweed bar, I've heard.
[1209.18 --> 1209.96] I have to get there.
[1210.02 --> 1210.48] I'm not sure.
[1210.84 --> 1213.68] This could be quite a journey by hydrofoil from here.
[1214.26 --> 1216.28] I don't think I can get a permit for an electric plane.
[1216.28 --> 1216.84] Okay.
[1217.06 --> 1222.56] Hassan Habib on Twitter said that we should increase our community engagement.
[1222.90 --> 1228.02] They say Go has many fantastic features, toolings, that many people are not aware of.
[1228.20 --> 1231.14] Through media like YouTube, experts can take lessons on tooling.
[1231.34 --> 1232.40] You know, we can do things like that.
[1232.48 --> 1234.12] But can we do more of that?
[1234.22 --> 1234.68] Would that help?
[1234.68 --> 1235.56] Oh, definitely.
[1236.10 --> 1236.54] Definitely.
[1236.72 --> 1243.16] One of the big things that ended up happening was other countries started using programming languages in totally different languages.
[1243.38 --> 1244.86] Like, I mean, actual human languages.
[1245.10 --> 1248.90] So you would look at the code and, you know, you would spend a lot of time learning Romangi characters.
[1248.94 --> 1253.30] And you look at this code and, like, you hadn't learned, you know, the Mandarin Go dialect.
[1253.66 --> 1255.96] You hadn't learned the Hebrew Go dialect.
[1256.36 --> 1260.68] Then there was the special Martian dialect that they insisted that the Martian colonists use.
[1260.68 --> 1264.92] So, you know, that made it really, really hard because the content no longer matched.
[1265.38 --> 1267.90] You know, so all these promises of backward compatibility.
[1268.48 --> 1272.02] It would be really great if it was more than just kind of a free-for-all.
[1272.24 --> 1287.10] If at some point in the past, you know, there was a bit more organization to the content and that somebody, they weren't just random content creators, but actually, like, people were able to make their living through creating content and update that same content so that it was always accurate.
[1287.60 --> 1290.06] You know, because that was one of the things that happened to Python, right?
[1290.06 --> 1293.62] All of a sudden, there was all these different dialects and nothing worked anymore.
[1293.82 --> 1296.74] We swore we wouldn't let that happen to Go, and yet we let it happen.
[1297.02 --> 1298.64] How can we avoid that now then, Ron?
[1298.76 --> 1299.48] What can we do?
[1299.76 --> 1304.62] Well, we have to have more people able to make their living creating content, obviously.
[1304.88 --> 1306.02] You can't just be all free.
[1306.20 --> 1308.80] And it could be open, but it can't all just be free.
[1308.80 --> 1329.38] You know, and some of the big players that benefit from this, you know, in the past, if they kind of invested back into these communities more as opposed to just taking advantage and, you know, riding off of them, then, you know, maybe there might have been a chance that this could have kept goin...
[1329.38 --> 1329.42] Yeah.