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**Ron Evans:** \[08:00\] It just took too long to -- I mean, if something went wrong during your brain-computer interface upload, you could break yourself. So naturally, if there had only been something like TinyGo... If TinyGo had been around, or if Go had actually gone themselves and created this whole WebAssembly th... |
**Mat Ryer:** I see... By the way, I have the very early prototype of that technology. It's just floppy disk drives in my back. That's the price you pay for being an early adopter. |
**Ron Evans:** I thought you were gonna say Google Glass... |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, that'd be so much cooler... Well, we'll find out what will happen to that, too. |
**Ron Evans:** But yeah, WebAssembly - they should have done that, but they didn't do it. |
**Mat Ryer:** So what do we need to do to make that work then? Is TinyGo the answer to that, do you think? |
**Ron Evans:** Well, TinyGo could have been the answer... It could have been the answer... But TinyGo was just a little independent project from a bunch of people working hard, dedicated all over -- on the surface of the planet at the time; that was before people were working in the colonies... You know, you could actu... |
**Mat Ryer:** While in America? |
**Ron Evans:** ...because there's more hours in a day on another planet. So it worked out really well for the bosses. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, I like that. Is there more hours, or are they just shortened, and it's the same amount of time, but we just call it different? |
**Ron Evans:** No, this one goes to eleven, Mat. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, good. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** How do you benchmark that? How do the benchmarks work on those times? How is the time library reacting? |
**Ron Evans:** We just set the benchmarks to whatever we need, and the client's always happy. That's what the AI said to do, so we trusted it. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay, so TinyGo, there we go. I mean, I think WebAssembly -- we've still got a chance to do that, Ron, don't forget; we're in the present... |
**Ron Evans:** Oh, right... |
**Mat Ryer:** Or as I call it, "now"... |
**Ron Evans:** Maybe somebody could make sure there's people working on it full-time, as like a single-purpose thing, so that all these things don't come to pass... I don't know. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Ron Evans:** I can't tell you what to do though. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay. |
**Ron Evans:** I don't want to affect all the timelines. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** But I saw Blink. I think I saw Blink. |
**Ron Evans:** Okay. But ask me the next question. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Okay, so you said you're the last programmer, so it means we need to have more people join, right? Matt Boyle is asking about new-joiners and how they lack a template for new projects that would solve the recommended project structure. So what do Go programs look like? Do we have a template? |
**Ron Evans:** Oh! That really brings up a big thing that I thought of... There was that time back in the early 21st century when people were saying that Go was gonna be the new Java... Do you remember that back then? I guess that's when you are now, right? I guess people are still saying that, right? |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, that's now, yeah. We say it all the time. |
**Ron Evans:** But the thing is, Java programmers - they like frameworks; they need frameworks. They need frameworks that do things. What kind of things? Things that that business needs to do. Frameworks that all of these kinds of businesses of things that you've never heard of, you don't know anything about; they spen... |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Renewed contracts. |
**Ron Evans:** That was a big opportunity, and that actually led to the tabbers versus spacers war of 2035. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Oh, no... |
**Mat Ryer:** \[laughs\] That sounds terrible. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** I'm scared to ask who won. Did we all lose? |
**Ron Evans:** There were only losers... But it was really good for mechanical keyboards. Okay, next question. We're running out of time. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. Daniel \[unintelligible 00:11:41.01\] also said that same point, which is they wanted to see more Java frameworks written in Go. He agrees with you. |
**Ron Evans:** Exactly. See, that person gets it. |
**Mat Ryer:** He gets it. |
**Ron Evans:** They're probably right out of the frontlines of that -- I don't know if they were a tabber or a spacer; I don't care. From this side of the history it doesn't matter. We were all on the same side, the human side. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[12:02\] Yeah. Could you google us and see what happens to us? I mean, Natalie. What happens to us in the future? |
**Ron Evans:** Oh, no, that's not allowed. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay, yeah. Fair play. |
**Ron Evans:** My boss is Copilot Manager Edition and doesn't let me do those kinds of searches. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, your boss is Copilot now. |
**Ron Evans:** It's not the worst boss I've ever had. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** It's a very logical one. |
**Mat Ryer:** DFL on Twitter wants to see more immutability and enums. Enums is one that I hear quite a lot, actually; people actually want enums. Did enums/lack of enums hold us back, Ron? |
**Ron Evans:** Oh, so much... You don't realize... If you just can't figure out if it's this, or that, or the other thing, or something else yet again... You know, for us developers, we could figure that out, but then all of a sudden these people started making programs using things like no code, with no code and no ru... |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh. Physically. |
**Ron Evans:** Yeah, it was terrible. My mobile phone actually died before my eyes. It was terrible. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, I'm so sorry. Okay, well, enums... Honestly, I'd like to see enums, and Valentin on Twitter also agrees; they'd like to see enums. We should do that probably then, if it's gonna cause that silicon thing Ron talked about... |
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