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**Jerod Santo:** I'm over here, googling all these names that you are saying... Actually, mergestat I think is by the AskGit guy, who we've talked about in the past. Small world... QueryGit like it's SQL - pretty cool stuff. Definitely hook us up with a list for the show notes. |
**Toby Padilla:** I will. |
**Jerod Santo:** I did find Clidle, but you'll probably even think of more after you hang up with us, and say "Oh, here's another cool one." So we'll have like a nice list of things using either Wish, Charm, and/or Bubble Tea out there in the wild. |
**Toby Padilla:** Cool. |
**Jerod Santo:** Because you know, sometimes just seeing those things are the inspiration you need for the idea, and actually make it click. I think Bubble Tea right now clicks for me in a way which I'm not sure Wish does, because I've seen the examples you're giving and I'm like "These are cool." But then I can't go a... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So many names... |
**Toby Padilla:** Lip Gloss, Harmonica... |
**Jerod Santo:** Lip Gloss, maybe some Glamour in there... I'm not sure if Glamour does any more -- oh yeah, style sheets-based Markdown rendering for your CLI apps. Yes, Glamour... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** As you were naming those examples, I was seeing how our desire for what we wanna do is certainly the edge case, right? |
**Jerod Santo:** I think we could use Bubble Tea for sure, and build a really cool, interactive Changelog command line tool, where you could play mp3s. As long as we can get that stuff done in Go, right? Like, to play the audio, which probably has some cross-platform libraries that you'll have to use to interact with t... |
**Toby Padilla:** Yes, you can. One thing I'm most excited about not having seen a lot of people build with it yet, but it's kind of futuristic and weird, is the Git stuff. Building Git-based apps. So what can you do with Git? Could you clone a repo, and you guys are pushing new episodes into it all the time, and you'r... |
So I think Git-based interaction - it's super-unexplored. And to me, that's the most exciting part of Wish, is like "Oh, you can start building these Git-based apps", and using Git as a way to control things, and as a way to collaborate. That seems interesting. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And if you can probe it like a database, which it basically is, then maybe you can use it sort of like a pseudo-database almost. We have a web app... Maybe Postgres can pull data from that Git repository via WebHooks with GitHub, or some other way, to essentially be -- |
**Jerod Santo:** We already do that for our show notes. Our show notes are synced with a GitHub repo. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:16:53.20\] Right. It's very similar to that, yeah. |
**Toby Padilla:** You can make a Wish app that does that. So you would get, in the go code, someone's pushing something, here's what they're pushing, and then in the Go code you could use your Postgres driver to just populate the database with the file, or whatever got pushed into Git. So from a CMS perspective it's ki... |
**Jerod Santo:** Soft Serve being the self-hostable Git sever for the command line. Each time we say a noun, I have to describe which one it is... Because y'all have so many projects, man. It's crazy. |
**Toby Padilla:** \[laughs\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It is challenging to keep track of what -- |
**Toby Padilla:** Imagine having to make 3D models for all of these things... \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, you're doing that on Hard mode. You took that upon yourselves. |
**Toby Padilla:** We did. |
**Jerod Santo:** But that's the fun part, right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let me ask you one question here... You named a few examples out there. When you were in the final stages - and these were Wish apps, right? That you've just described. |
**Toby Padilla:** Mm-hm. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm trying to keep track, sorry about that... When you were in the final days, I suppose, of pushing and the team was dreaming, "Oh my gosh, when we get this out there, people will build this." What were those dreams? You described some things people are using. GitHub using Glamour, or Lip Gloss, on... |
**Toby Padilla:** We actually built Wish and Soft Serve because we had a very specific need for it. So we had built Charm, the new version of Charm, the self-hostable version of Charm, all that Charm KV stuff - all of that, and we needed to launch it, and we wanted to move Glow over to this backend. And the way doing a... |
So we created Wish -- essentially, we back-ported it into Charm. But we created Wish so we can make Soft Serve, so we could launch Charm. We wanted an alternative Git space that wasn't GitHub. Because there's times you need a Git repo -- Git is very much about promotion; you put it out there, everyone's gonna see it, b... |
And then our wheels started spinning. We were like, "Okay, it turns out Git is awesome for CMS." Some of these things I've just told you guys about, like the podcasting, and the notes, and editing - that's my mind in Wish land. I'm like, "Now, these things are possible." So it's time to start thinking about how you can... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:21:04.20\] I'll throw this one out there, too... I don't know if this is a one-to-one, because I almost would imagine just managing my own Bash profile, or the ZSH profile, and I was thinking of like Oh My Zsh. This is something that a lot of people install, it has config essentially, where you... |
**Toby Padilla:** We're looking at dotfiles as well. We've got some stuff in the works there, because it's a natural fit for what we're doing... And it's a lot of what you say - imagine you've got a Windows machine... More realistically - you have a MacBook and you've got a Linux-based VPS running on DigitalOcean, or s... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha. So it helps in the dotfiles area. Maybe even an actual dotfiles manager. |
**Toby Padilla:** Potentially. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And branches on a Git repository, which would be so cool. Each branch is a machine, for example. This machine is that branch, and... |
**Toby Padilla:** Yeah, and that's what I do now, and managing that manually is not fun. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I bet. |
**Toby Padilla:** So tooling around that is definitely desirable. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, let me suggest a name for this SkunkWorks project... I would call it Cupcake. |
**Toby Padilla:** You know what - I will tell you what its name is... And its name is Donut. |
**Jerod Santo:** Ohh...! |
**Adam Stacoviak:** So close! |
**Jerod Santo:** Pretty close. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Donut's cool. |
**Toby Padilla:** So you guys are getting the scoop on that; we haven't announced it yet. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Alright, so charm.sh/ -- I'm just kidding. Don't insert name here, but... That's where it's gonna live, right? Of course... |
**Toby Padilla:** Probably, yes. |
**Jerod Santo:** Donut sounds like dotfile, so... |
**Toby Padilla:** Doesn't it? It looks like a dot, too. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's true. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That is so cool. Okay, okay... I'm digging it. |
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