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**Toby Padilla:** Meaning that I can't click the links, for example. There is on selecting the git clone... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, mouse support. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. There's mouse support to navigate... |
**Toby Padilla:** Oh, you have to use the keyboard to navigate. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I've got that. So I'm navigating it, but it's not like I can click the links. I have to -- for one, you can't play an mp3 in there. Like, you don't have any, so you're not playing them. I would imagine we have mp3's to play... |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, I noticed also an image on one of them. I think Bubbles has an image -- or no, it's Wishlist. Wishlist has an image in the Markdown that says image:screencast arrow and it points out to a gif that we can't look at. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Toby Padilla:** So that goes back to the earlier conversation about terminal capabilities... |
**Jerod Santo:** If you had Kitty, you'd be loving this right now. \[laughter\] |
**Toby Padilla:** If you're on Kitty -- we don't actually default to it. We don't display images, because most people aren't gonna be able to see it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha. |
**Toby Padilla:** Some terminals will show you an image. Most won't. Or most meaning macOS Terminal will not show you an image. So we don't try to render that image, because most people aren't going to support it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha. |
**Toby Padilla:** \[01:04:08.16\] So yeah, it's not a rich experience. It's not a multimedia, rich experience. I would love to see that. I like to watch a lot of videos, and I would love to be able to do something with video, and build some sort of video app. That's not today, but we can all try to get there as command... |
One of the reasons we're doing this is because we have super web fatigue. Lots of things about the web suck. I'm sick of trackers, ads... I don't like the advertising business model. I don't like all this JavaScript that's running on my machine, and these bloated web pages, and everything's bloated, everything's slow..... |
There are solutions to this that are more or less interesting. So you could run a server that serves a custom web page that displays video, and then managing that server is certainly doable on the command line. But there's not a great way to make rich user interfaces. Some people would like that. I don't know if you gu... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Maybe I'll reframe my question there, or at least the statement I was trying to get to, which is - you know, I can't click the Git links, or the different links in the readmes, so that's like a stopper for me... In terms of what we're trying to build, or aspire to build, is then if we want to have a... |
**Toby Padilla:** It is not if you go through Wish. So SSH itself is limiting some of this stuff; there are solutions -- if you guys build a Changelog command line app, and you have people download it, you could have it open stuff; you could have it open something on the users' machines. You can have it open a web page... |
Over Wish, that's running on the server, so you're not gonna be able to say "Hey, open this file", or whatever. You can do that though, as long as you build a tool that they will run on their own machine. You can do that numerous ways. Sometimes the terminal itself - and I don't know if the OSX terminal does this, wher... |
So there's definitely ways to handle it if you build a local tool. If you're trying to make it remotely accessible, that's limited. And that's actually a challenge we've had. Because those git clone URLs - you can't execute that. Your back almost in the GitHub world, to some degree, where you're hopping and pasting it ... |
\[01:05:07.20\] SSH, to some degree, as the viewer, is limiting there, in that it doesn't support linking. Hypertext linking - that's not a thing on SSH. So do we write our own SSH client replacement that offers a bunch of cool, rich options? I don't know, maybe we do. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Maybe you should just write your own terminal, the one that rules them all... And the reason why I kind of get there, why I wanted to sort of option click, is because that's the experience you get in VS Code, for example. Traditionally, even in an editor, you're not necessarily interacting with the ... |
So if this emulates, at least visually, even though it is terminal, and you're innovating that part of it, my expectation as a user is like "Can I option click these links and do different things?" But the answer is no right now. So it's more like understanding what the limits are, and how do you -- if you're trying to... |
**Toby Padilla:** \[laughs\] Who doesn't want to...? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. But you know, is that how far you have to go? |
**Toby Padilla:** It's a great question. We actually asked ourselves yet initially, like "Do we want to make a terminal?" And we explicitly said "Not yet. Not right now." Because there's a lot of other stuff that has to get built at the application level. We're getting to the point where that's sort of the limiting fac... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It seems like the apps are limited though by the current standards, and if you could evolve those current standards, maybe the process of building these apps, and the libraries and the different things that you're building on top of it might -- maybe I'm wrong, because I'm not doing the work, but ma... |
**Toby Padilla:** Building a terminal is a big task because it's got like 20 years of backwards-compatibility that if you don't support, people would be raging on you right away... Like, "Oh, it breaks --" Because there's so many command line apps. Like "Oh, Vim doesn't work through Tmux for me anymore", or whatever. T... |
So I think there's desktop terminals, I think there's other platforms that could have really cool terminals... I think maybe we even explore some of that stuff at some point in time. But as of right now, we've been really focused on -- I mean, even though Bubble Tea and Bubbles are some of our biggest projects... Bubbl... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Fundamentals. |
**Toby Padilla:** Yeah, because it's a little more separated from the UI aspect. The UI is great, and it's what gets people in the door, it gets people coming to us, and it's really nice to show off, and it's super-fun building this stuff. And we need to keep pushing that forward. But a lot of the value of what we're c... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[01:09:12.27\] So if we redirect back to that side of things, the SSH side - you have Soft Serve, which is a Wish-based Git server, correct? |
**Toby Padilla:** Yup. |
**Jerod Santo:** You have Wishlist, which is a Wish-based SSH directory. |
**Toby Padilla:** Yup. |
**Jerod Santo:** Are there other Wish-based apps out there, or even an idea for apps that people could wrap their heads around? |
**Toby Padilla:** Yes, so Charm is also Wish-based. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay, Charm. Yup. |
**Toby Padilla:** And there's a version of Glow that's in beta now, that we'll soon be launching, that's based on the new Charm. So Glow sits on top of Charm as well, and the use case in Glow -- |
**Jerod Santo:** Glow is the Markdown rendering thing. |
**Toby Padilla:** Glow is the Markdown rendering thing. |
**Jerod Santo:** And Charm is the -- |
**Toby Padilla:** Charm is the encryption and identity and cloud storage. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Toby Padilla:** So in Glow, if you open up a Markdown in Glow, you can hit s. And s is stash. Say you just downloaded Glow for the first time, you ran it in a project directory, they'll discover all the Markdown in that directory... And then you're like, "Hey, this is interesting. I wanna save it for later." S. Stash... |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Toby Padilla:** So all of that SSH mechanic behind the scenes is happening through Wish. And so Charm is a Wish app and Wish library that applications like Glow can use to satisfy any kind of storage or encryption or persistence or identity use cases. There are third-party Wish apps that are starting to come out. We ... |
So we saw two of those launch... And then some kind of like toy kind of stuff... But it's pretty new. Wish is like -- I think a month-and-a-half it's been out in the wild, or something like that. So it's all relatively new. But it's exciting to start seeing people not just build stuff with it, but gain some success. So... |
There's a lot of popular Bubble Tea apps. Bubble Tea has almost 500 applications that have been built with Bubble Tea. It's been out there a little longer. There's a thing called Slides this guy Maas created, and it's the second most popular Bubble Tea app besides Glow, in terms of being just like a pure Bubble Tea app... |
\[01:12:55.15\] So we're starting to see good Bubble Tea distribution and some pretty large, pretty hot projects... And a bunch of fun stuff, too. There's just fun projects that people make with Bubble Tea. Mergestat is a great one; this is "Treat your Git repo like a SQL database, and run SQL against it." He had a fun... |
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