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**Jerod Santo:** I'm interested, yes. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I think that between Donut and what you're doing, I can definitely see why you are so passionate about innovating in this way. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** My hope is that commercial opportunity is in the future, just because sustain... But not so much that -- I just hope that you have enough runway, and can sustain enough runway to keep innovating, because these are definitely cool things. I'm just not sure - except from the Charm Cloud aspect; that's... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But do I have to? Maybe I can pay $10/month, or enterprise pay $50 or $100, or whatever the number is. That's where I can see something, at least in the near future. But you know, I'm loving the direction, for sure... And the naming, and the fun behind it - that's what really makes it fun. It makes ... |
**Jerod Santo:** Something that's lame... \[laughs\] Something like Cupcake. |
**Toby Padilla:** Always better than something that's lame. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right, right, right. Anything else in closing? What have we not asked you, that you wanna share before we close out? |
**Toby Padilla:** I think we covered a lot here... Thank you for having me on; this was a lot of fun. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It was a lot of fun, yeah. |
**Toby Padilla:** \[01:24:59.07\] I would say if people wanna follow us, come to @charmcli on Twitter, and @charmbracelet on GitHub. That's the best way to stay up to date. Or like I said, join our Slack, charm.sh/slack. But other than that, this was great. |
**Jerod Santo:** One last thing that I will say before we close out... I've just thought of this, because I'm looking up Charm's license... I would just say that since Charm is long-term probably the enterprise commercial play, and it can be self-hosted, and yet maybe you want them to host it for you - I just want to s... |
**Toby Padilla:** Thank you. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I would say even more props too on all the other tooling being able to wire up too a self-hosted Charm. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Like, have it as a cloud that's managed is cool, but then a single config, it sounds like -- I was thinking like Ruby days... And I've even forgot all the terminology. I haven't done it in so long. But wherever you point Ruby Gems to... What's that file, Jerod? |
**Jerod Santo:** RubyGems.org. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, exactly. In the top of the file you can just point it wherever you want to get your gems. It seems like a similar change in terms of a config. Just point to wherever. |
**Toby Padilla:** It is. It's just an environment variable, Charm host. You set your Charm host environment variable... And in fact, once Glow is launched, the new one, that points to Charm Cloud - even Glow, when you stash, it'll start stashing it to your Charm Cloud. Anything that's built with our stuff will just mag... |
And from a commercial standpoint, it's not necessarily a bad idea, because what you need as a self-hosted person is quite different than what an enterprise of 10,000 people need, right? And Go actually makes this easy, because we design all of our stuff with interfaces, implement those interfaces on SQLite on the self-... |
So we think through some of this stuff -- or stats for monitoring and for all of this stuff... We don't even implement that on the self-hosted side; on our servers, that interface has an implementation that points to Grafana. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Pretty cool. |
**Jerod Santo:** So before we let you go, we'd be remiss not to mention the footer of the website, where you take haters... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yes. |
**Jerod Santo:** ...and you redirect them to /dev/null. Tell us the story here. You're sending the haters to /dev/null? |
**Toby Padilla:** Where else would they go? |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Toby Padilla:** Where else would we want them? |
**Jerod Santo:** Good question. \[laughs\] Well said, well said. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** And you've trademarked it. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I want the T-shirt... Put that on a T-shirt, so I can wear it. |
**Toby Padilla:** We are working on swag. There is stuff coming soon. |
**Jerod Santo:** Cool. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Give me a sticker, give me a T-shirt, give me a pen, some sort of glossy pen... I'd be so excited about that. |
**Toby Padilla:** We will. |
**Jerod Santo:** Give me a cupcake. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, give me a cupcake. |
**Toby Padilla:** We were thinking about Keycaps. We all have mechanical keyboards, so something like that... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, that would be cool. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, for sure. |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, good luck to you guys, and keep it up. It's really cool stuff. I'm definitely gonna check out Bubble Tea for this SkunkWorks Changelog command line thing that we've been playing around with... So we'll give it a shot. |
**Toby Padilla:** Awesome. And just let us know if you have any questions. We're happy to help you. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Alright, Toby, thanks for your time. |
**Toby Padilla:** Alright. Thank you very much. |
• Introduction of Mihalis Tsoukalos and his book "Mastering Go" |
• Background on Mihalis' experience with Unix and systems programming |
• Inspiration for writing "Mastering Go" as a resource for intermediate programmers |
• Discussion of the book's target audience and level of complexity |
• Analysis of whether "Mastering Go" is suitable as an entry point for new learners or more experienced programmers |
• Comparison of the book to other resources, specifically in systems programming |
• Difficulty in understanding goroutines and their usage |
• Importance of practice and experience in mastering Go |
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