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**Johnny Boursiquot:** Except Haskell. Man, every time I pick up Haskell, I'm like "I don't know what the heck is going on..." \[laughter\] I digress... |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Yes. I have tried to learn Elixir and Erlang, but... You know, they require a different kind of thinking. They are good, especially Erlang; Erlang was used for telephone initially, but it's high availability, and all these things; it's very powerful. But you know, you have to like it. Or you have... |
\[32:14\] So I mainly write Python and Go, and I'm learning other languages. I'm going to write a tutorial about the V programming language. I haven't heard of it before, but... You know, it's a good way of learning it. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, yeah. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** And I like Rust, but the syntax of Rust is really bizarre, I don't know... Have you tried Rust? |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** You know, I've played around in some playgrounds, and actually I've read in the early days, when Rust was in pre-1.0, I tried to get into it... And since then there's been some improvements in terms of some things that were kind of weird in the beginning; they've refined those things. So I need t... |
But if I add one more thing on my plate, I'll probably just fall apart. There's so many balls in here right now; that's my excuse right now, and it is a legitimate one. I have so many projects going on, I'm like "Okay, before I can add one more thing to my plate, I have to take one off." I have to be done with one proj... |
Before diving into Go, I had actually started picking up Elixir as well, only because some of the same few folks that were in the Ruby community basically were either working on Elixir, or somehow were involved in that community as well... I did a ton of Ruby back then, so naturally, I heard about Elixir and everything... |
And then I met Go, and pretty much all others were cast aside once I learned about Go... But definitely, I think I'm at a point where I'm adding something new to the mix. Always be learning. That's how you grow. Always be learning. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Yes, yes. Usually, when I want to learn a programming language, I start writing small Unix command line utilities first, to see how it goes. I usually do that. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Right. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** It's my way of learning. And then I might go to a REST API server, or client, and see how it goes... Because that's the kind of things that I usually work with, so that's making sense, to write something totally different. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, indeed. Alright, so we're gonna switch it over to Unpopular Opinion... And I'm told I need to play a tune, so here we go. I'm gonna start playing my tune. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Okay. |
**Jingle:** \[35:27\] to \[35:44\] |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Alright... So you brought some heat? Let's hear it. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Okay, I have two smaller ones. The first one is that most meetings can be replaced by emails. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Right. You just send an email. Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be unpopular at all. \[laughter\] A lot of meetings could have been an email. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** And the second one is that C is the best programming language ever. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Ooh...! |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** \[36:08\] \[laughs\] |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Okay, okay... Alright, alright... Let me mull on that for a second. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** If I have to choose a single programming language to live with, that would definitely be C. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** That would be C, huh? Okay, okay... |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Yes. Not C++, just C. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Just C. You like managing your own memory, and all that stuff, huh...? |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** No, I don't anymore... \[laughter\] I don't anymore. But you know, back then it was not easy to have garbage collection or automatic memory management. Otherwise we wouldn't have Unix. That would be a shame. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Okay, okay... I mean, yeah, if you didn't have a choice... You know, if you're gonna write C, that's as close to the metal (as they say) as you're gonna get, unless you wanna start writing assembly, or something... |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Yes, exactly. \[laughs\] Exactly. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I can see that... Okay, okay... Well, gosh. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** What's your favorite programming language full-time? I mean, if you have to pick one. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I mean, clearly, it's gonna be Go. That's the language I use. You make me repeat myself. I use it for my day job, I use it in my side projects, I use it for my side-side projects... Go is my go-to. That's the first thing I think of, even for things that I used to write sort of a quick Bash or a s... |
So it's quite possible that I'm now using Go as a hammer to hit every nail, but it makes it so easy for me to do that. But obviously, again, right tool for the job, so depending on what project I'm working on, if there's already a language that's being used that's not Go, I adapt to that. So in my repertoire, I have at... |
I think the key takeaway here is sometimes you don't get to pick the best tool for the job... And perhaps that is my unpopular opinion - you don't always get to pick the best tool for the job. Sometimes the tool that was picked is maybe even the worst possible tool that could have been picked for the job... But that wa... |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Sometimes people choose the tools for you, and you have to use them. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yeah, exactly. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** That's true, that's true. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** That is exactly it. Mihalis, thank you so much for being on the show. I'm definitely enjoying the book. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Thank you. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** The first thing I did when I got the book, I went straight to the generics stuff and see how did you explain generics, and you did a pretty decent job of that. So yeah, for those looking to buy the book, it's available on all the major publisher sites, and Amazon, and all that stuff. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Yes. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** I think it's already out, and ready to be shipped, or something. This is the third edition of the book, I've been enjoying it, so thank you for your contribution to the Go community. Looking forward to more from you, and looking forward to your active participation in the community as well. |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Thank you very much, and thank you very much for your kind words. I really enjoyed being here, and maybe we can talk again in the future. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Yes, indeed. Well, if you keep writing these books, I'm gonna keep having you on, to come and talk about them. \[laughter\] |
**Mihalis Tsoukalos:** Thank you, thank you very much. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Alright, y'all, it's been awesome, so let's put on some outro... |
• Traveling to GopherCon EU |
• Airport and travel experiences (e.g. erratic driving, security checks) |
• Arrival in Berlin and first impressions of the city |
• Meeting with Go contributors (Egon Elbre) about conference sessions |
• Walking tour of Berlin with Ale Kennedy |
• Discussion of Berlin's culture and character (e.g. graffiti, street art) |
• Plans for hosting GopherCon EU in different locations |
• Long-term maintenance and legacy code |
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