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**Bill Kennedy:** There are times when somebody comes up to me and they say -- so here's the most recent... Just to have this conversation. And I know everybody hates blockchain, but Ethereum is moving now to their new proof of stake blockchain, right? They're very close to putting it in production. I met one of the de... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, your contribution. That's the thing, there's gonna be loads more that you'll never even hear about. There's gonna be loads of that, and you won't hear about most of it. So you should be happy, I think, that that's the difference you're making when you educate gophers. |
**Bill Kennedy:** And that's for anybody, because again, everybody's an educator at the end of the day, whether you're doing in front of people or you're just doing it at work. You're constantly educating. |
\[45:46\] I think one of the big jobs that are missing in the industry, and we can't have it because there's no way to measure it, is that every company should have the tech lead who's a floater. This is what I want; if I ever sold Ardan, I wanna work at different companies for like a month to three months. I have no r... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Bill Kennedy:** You have no record of your existence. |
**Mat Ryer:** That's right. But maybe that problem needs to be solved then. Maybe there ought to be a credit system or some way of recording that this was influenced... I mean, Mark Bates does it in his projects. He has a shoulders.txt, and he's basically listing the people that otherwise you would know, that have help... |
**Bill Kennedy:** I didn't know that. I love the idea of the shoulders.txt. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, standing on the shoulders of these giants. |
**Bill Kennedy:** Yeah, because then at least at review time you could see your name across -- even if you put the number of hours that you provided, that would be... It's a role that's missing. I think you could get your teams up to speed within a couple of months, while being productive. You're not losing a week to t... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, and it's relevant. They're learning in the context of the problems that they're really solving, and that to me is always the most valuable of learning anyway. |
**Bill Kennedy:** On the projects that I'm in at Ardan my mornings are usually a couple hours of pair programming with whoever I'm working with, and then in the afternoon I set them off to go back and do usually more programming than engineering, and then we do the engineering in the morning. |
**Mat Ryer:** Right. I see. |
**Bill Kennedy:** So "Go code this. Just make this work." |
**Mat Ryer:** That's nice, because it gives people permission to just crack on and do something, which is what often -- we need that permission to do anything, especially if you're learning it and you feel like you don't know how to structure this, or whatever. Like, stick everything in Main, get going; get something w... |
**Bill Kennedy:** But here's the cool part -- and I might take questions during the day on little things, but here's the cool part. The cool part is after usually about four weeks, they're engineering while they're doing the pro-- |
**Mat Ryer:** Yes, that's right. |
**Bill Kennedy:** So there's less and less refactoring. That's what I'm looking for. If I'm four weeks in and I'm still doing the same level of refactoring I was, this ain't working out. And usually, by week eight it's almost like my life is really good now. "This is good, this is good, this is good. Go." And that's wh... |
And then -- okay, we didn't document the handbook, but I've taught the handbook to everybody over a couple months. So the next person that comes on, now you do the same thing and your code is consistent. |
**Mat Ryer:** It's like an up-leveler. You're being an up-leveler as a role. |
**Bill Kennedy:** Yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** But it is something that's important and really valuable. But you're right, if you can't really measure the impact of it, what's the incentive for people to be doing that? Maybe it's not there. |
**Bill Kennedy:** Well, the bean counters who don't see it, just look on spreadsheets and go "We're paying this person X amount a year, and..." |
**Mat Ryer:** Where's the code...? |
**Bill Kennedy:** Yeah, they didn't add anything to the bottom line. Let's get rid of them. |
**Mat Ryer:** Right. Yeah, well, that's a mistake... |
**Bill Kennedy:** Yeah... So to me, that would be the role I would want after I'm done with Ardan. I think that would be so much fun. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, I think that would be fun as well. It sounds great. |
**Bill Kennedy:** And you have no responsibilities, so you go home and your phone's never gonna ring. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. \[laughs\] |
**Bill Kennedy:** That's the key. |
**Mat Ryer:** Living the dream. |
**Bill Kennedy:** You're living the dream, yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** Bill, thank you so much. It was so great to talk to you, and I'm excited for your talk. You're actually gonna be speaking now, unexpectedly, at this conference, right? |
**Bill Kennedy:** \[50:11\] Yeah, it tends to happen most of the time when a speaker can't make it to the conference. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. \[unintelligible 00:50:15.14\] unfortunately is not able to make it here... But you've stepped in. What are you gonna be talking about? |
**Bill Kennedy:** So I only have half an hour, which if you know me... |
**Mat Ryer:** Not enough. |
**Bill Kennedy:** ...I just get going in about 30 minutes. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. Just start 30 minutes before backstage. |
**Bill Kennedy:** Yeah, it's gonna be bad... And I feel like when you're on-stage, which - I really don't like talking on-stage. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, that surprises me. |
**Bill Kennedy:** I think it's a different experience. It's more stressful... I'm not a good speaker on-stage; I'm good in the workshop, because I can be really fluid and flexible. |
**Mat Ryer:** Do you rely on that interaction more then with people? Because often you don't get so much of that when you're delivering to an audience. |
**Bill Kennedy:** I think a good speaker talk is always really well prepared. The slide deck - it's well prepared; you know your message, you practice it a hundred times. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Bill Kennedy:** That's not me. I'm more like "What's going on in the room? Let's feed the room." |
**Mat Ryer:** Right. |
**Bill Kennedy:** And I only have 30 minutes here. So what I decided is to take a small bit of Ultimate Go that I've done and just show in a practical way how you can use benchmarking for profiling, in some compiler switches, to find non-productive allocations, and fix them, and do all live coding, and... |
**Mat Ryer:** Ah, again very practical stuff that people will be able to use immediately. |
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