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[2244.00 --> 2244.78] because guess what
[2244.78 --> 2246.28] nobody wants to pay for open source
[2246.28 --> 2247.44] it should be free
[2247.44 --> 2247.98] and like
[2247.98 --> 2248.70] well guess what
[2248.70 --> 2249.94] if you're liable
[2249.94 --> 2250.62] all of a sudden
[2250.62 --> 2251.52] maybe it's not free
[2251.52 --> 2252.98] and I think one of the interesting things
[2252.98 --> 2253.98] that we're going to see in discussion
[2253.98 --> 2254.44] about
[2254.44 --> 2256.24] these EU regulations
[2256.24 --> 2256.90] for example
[2256.90 --> 2259.50] they contain exceptions for open source
[2259.50 --> 2261.96] their definition of open source
[2261.96 --> 2263.24] sort of looks like
[2263.24 --> 2265.38] it excludes commercially sponsored open source
[2265.38 --> 2266.78] which as we know
[2266.78 --> 2268.30] is a lot of open source these days
[2268.30 --> 2268.84] right
[2268.84 --> 2270.96] we don't know how that's going to play out
[2270.96 --> 2272.46] we don't know what it really means
[2272.46 --> 2273.94] like their definition is vague enough
[2273.94 --> 2274.46] that like
[2274.46 --> 2276.04] maybe it only includes
[2276.04 --> 2277.14] a small slice of open source
[2277.14 --> 2278.50] or maybe it includes a lot of open source
[2278.50 --> 2279.54] we don't really know yet
[2279.54 --> 2281.66] I'm sure that's going to be lobbied over
[2281.66 --> 2283.14] and in fact
[2283.14 --> 2283.96] I'm going to publish something
[2283.96 --> 2284.34] hopefully
[2284.34 --> 2285.86] tomorrow or Thursday
[2285.86 --> 2287.14] on dev.2
[2287.14 --> 2287.76] about
[2287.76 --> 2288.78] what
[2288.78 --> 2290.18] open source developers
[2290.18 --> 2290.94] can do
[2290.94 --> 2291.64] to help
[2291.64 --> 2293.18] lobby the US government
[2293.18 --> 2293.82] on this topic
[2293.82 --> 2294.64] but a lot of the same thing
[2294.64 --> 2295.08] is going to apply
[2295.08 --> 2296.36] to the EU government as well
[2296.36 --> 2297.66] yeah I think
[2297.66 --> 2298.94] one of the thoughts I had
[2298.94 --> 2300.36] during what you were saying
[2300.36 --> 2300.82] is
[2300.82 --> 2302.62] I've expressed this in private
[2302.62 --> 2303.24] to some people
[2303.24 --> 2304.54] and I always get kind of the
[2304.54 --> 2304.86] like
[2304.86 --> 2306.04] you've just said heresy
[2306.04 --> 2306.92] look
[2306.92 --> 2308.00] or comments
[2308.00 --> 2309.44] but I have been wondering
[2309.44 --> 2309.70] like
[2309.70 --> 2311.16] is open source
[2311.16 --> 2312.22] sustainable
[2312.22 --> 2313.26] as the method
[2313.26 --> 2314.76] of how we do things
[2314.76 --> 2315.78] in this industry
[2315.78 --> 2316.02] like
[2316.02 --> 2316.74] is this like
[2316.74 --> 2318.06] focus on sharing
[2318.06 --> 2319.10] so much of code
[2319.10 --> 2319.56] like
[2319.56 --> 2320.88] actually going to be
[2320.88 --> 2321.58] something we can continue
[2321.58 --> 2322.24] doing in the future
[2322.24 --> 2323.50] since there's so much
[2323.50 --> 2324.90] ambiguity around all of this
[2324.90 --> 2325.88] and quite frankly
[2325.88 --> 2326.56] I think it also
[2326.56 --> 2327.04] just like
[2327.04 --> 2328.06] atrophies
[2328.06 --> 2329.62] the whole industry
[2329.62 --> 2330.36] because we're not
[2330.36 --> 2331.04] rewriting things
[2331.04 --> 2332.30] we're not reimagining things
[2332.30 --> 2333.46] like I think that's one of
[2333.46 --> 2334.24] the core problems
[2334.24 --> 2335.12] with copyright in general
[2335.12 --> 2335.34] right
[2335.34 --> 2335.96] there's this whole thing
[2335.96 --> 2336.68] that Disney has done
[2336.68 --> 2337.36] where it's just like
[2337.36 --> 2338.42] copyright used to be
[2338.42 --> 2339.80] like 20 years
[2339.80 --> 2340.76] now it's like
[2340.76 --> 2342.20] almost forever
[2342.20 --> 2343.56] or as Disney would like to have
[2343.56 --> 2343.66] it
[2343.66 --> 2344.92] actually forever
[2344.92 --> 2346.02] so it's like
[2346.02 --> 2346.96] oh well now these things
[2346.96 --> 2347.68] are just kind of
[2347.68 --> 2348.48] sticking around
[2348.48 --> 2349.44] and it's so much harder
[2349.44 --> 2350.66] to like move things forward