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[2567.32 --> 2569.08] Like, what do you need to contribute to this project?
[2569.50 --> 2571.48] Basically, I don't know PHP at all.
[2572.00 --> 2578.10] I started Googling, like, okay, Anthony, I need some test script.
[2578.64 --> 2581.04] Could you please write it for me?
[2581.04 --> 2586.18] Or I need to, like, a for loop to write or some variable.
[2586.38 --> 2589.60] So I need to Google how to write a for loop in PHP.
[2589.78 --> 2590.06] For loop.
[2590.20 --> 2594.76] And this is great, because I don't need to involve in the, like, PHP part.
[2595.00 --> 2599.78] I can concentrate only to improve the GoLang user experience.
[2599.78 --> 2606.02] And, like, to contribute to the roadrunner, it depends on who are you as a developer.
[2606.18 --> 2608.94] You are a PHP developer or you are, like, GoLang developer.
[2608.94 --> 2612.32] If you're, like, a GoLang developer, it's very easy.
[2612.42 --> 2622.84] You just need to go into the rootrunner issues, find an issue marked, like, help needed or easy to resolve, like, some entry-level issues.
[2622.84 --> 2634.70] Or if you want to, like, contribute to PHP part, I guess it's a spiral framework, which you can, like, also have a lot of tickets to improve our PHP part.
[2634.80 --> 2638.68] And you don't need to know both sides of this at the same time.
[2638.76 --> 2640.96] You only need to know, like, PHP or GoL.
[2641.12 --> 2645.42] Or if you want to contribute both, usually, yeah, you need to know both.
[2645.68 --> 2646.58] But, yeah, it's...
[2646.58 --> 2648.58] Sounds like there's room for either side.
[2648.58 --> 2648.98] Yeah.
[2649.36 --> 2651.08] We're pretty friendly to contribution.
[2651.36 --> 2654.38] Like, on PHP, you can help us to improve SDKs and GoLang.
[2654.82 --> 2661.64] You can go as deep into the weeds as, like, SSL wish, like, dump little algos to run some crazy stuff.
[2661.72 --> 2668.00] Even Python developers can write a protocol version 3 and, like, or Ruby on Rails developer.
[2668.24 --> 2668.52] Yeah.
[2668.78 --> 2673.36] If you want, we will definitely accept the contributions to make it work for other languages.
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[2758.02 --> 2767.86] All right.
[2767.86 --> 2770.34] So, let's start with you, Anton.
[2770.60 --> 2771.30] What did you bring?
[2771.64 --> 2774.00] You only need 64 kilobytes of RAM.
[2774.32 --> 2774.74] For what?
[2775.20 --> 2775.88] Just for everything.
[2776.02 --> 2776.20] Ever?
[2776.74 --> 2777.60] Well...
[2777.60 --> 2779.04] Okay.
[2779.72 --> 2780.36] Prove it.
[2784.86 --> 2793.66] For the most of the stuff, I mean, I would just say, like, people have to, like, try to work on kind of more memory-efficient applications.
[2793.66 --> 2797.72] Because when you work with hardware, 64 kilobytes of RAM is a ton.
[2798.06 --> 2802.92] You know, you can make robot moves, blink eyes, go on the stairs, and do some other stuff.
[2803.48 --> 2806.56] And what can you do with 64 kilobytes of JavaScript application?
[2806.74 --> 2807.26] Tell me, please.
[2808.70 --> 2809.44] Maybe nothing.
[2809.84 --> 2810.42] Not much.
[2811.86 --> 2814.54] I have 64 gigs and even can't run a stream.
[2814.54 --> 2820.54] I mean, I will say that over the years, we've gotten more...
[2822.14 --> 2823.52] Well, let me put it nicely.
[2823.66 --> 2828.58] We don't worry very much about sort of CPU and memory and disk, right?
[2828.66 --> 2833.20] Things that used to be expensive, you know, like, you know, even like 20, 30 years ago, right?
[2833.36 --> 2834.44] Not so much now.
[2834.74 --> 2835.78] We take these things for bringing it down.
[2836.04 --> 2836.24] Yeah.
[2836.24 --> 2842.00] Yeah, but, like, if you know how to pack it down to this level, you can create much larger scalable applications.
[2842.22 --> 2848.42] Because when you create, let's say, the traffic filtering software or, like, VPN cores, right?
[2848.54 --> 2853.22] The things which actually, like, well, real IP, let's say, not just API endpoints.
[2853.78 --> 2855.70] That's where you have to optimize it.
[2855.76 --> 2861.34] And, like, knowing these basics and knowing that, yes, 64 kilobytes sounds like a small amount.
[2861.34 --> 2867.28] And it's a joke, which Bill Gates said back in the day, if someone don't remember, like, obviously he's wrong.
[2867.48 --> 2883.54] But if you realize how actually huge this amount, like, 64 kilobytes of stack on, like, some hardware chip can let you, well, to stream a ton of traffic, you know, and build something like a Netflix, build something like Starlink.
[2883.94 --> 2887.72] Because all these things which are doing great, great things, they have to be optimized.
[2887.72 --> 2891.96] You can't put, you know, 10 CPU server in space.
[2892.14 --> 2893.26] It's still going to work.
[2894.50 --> 2895.94] All right, all right, all right.
[2896.08 --> 2896.96] Valerie, what did you bring?
[2897.20 --> 2901.02] So my popular opinion is open source is a hard work.
[2901.54 --> 2905.26] In my opinion, it's much harder than some enterprise development.
[2905.82 --> 2908.90] Because I was involved in, like, in different enterprise projects.
[2909.24 --> 2912.70] And the flow is pretty much defined.
[2912.70 --> 2922.76] Like, if customer support has some ticket, it, like, can process it, send to specialists, like, quality assurance.
[2922.98 --> 2927.38] It, like, can test it, write, like, test cases it brings to you.
[2927.82 --> 2932.56] You can, like, see this ticket, fix the problem, run the tests, and so on.
[2932.56 --> 2941.70] But in open source, a lot of people think that they should not bother themselves to write a proper description of the issue.
[2942.04 --> 2944.90] It's like, I have a problem, please fix it.
[2945.16 --> 2950.08] Or one of my favorite issues is, like, nuts and question mark.
[2951.46 --> 2952.84] What does it mean?
[2953.40 --> 2955.12] So a lot of people...
[2955.12 --> 2957.84] Are they offering nuts or are they asking you if you want not?
[2957.84 --> 2969.72] But when I say, please describe what do you want, like, you want to not support or something else and close this ticket, the guy asked me, why are you so rude?
[2970.04 --> 2971.50] Why are you closing my ticket?
[2971.80 --> 2975.90] So, and there are a lot of such things in the open source development.
[2976.08 --> 2978.08] So you should handle a lot of things.
[2978.08 --> 2990.68] You should have various types of virtual machines to run on Ubuntu previous versions, Ubuntu current versions, Debian, FreeBSD, macOS, and Windows different versions.
[2990.94 --> 2999.12] So if someone send you a ticket, I guess some people think this is a joke, like open source development is like a joke for us.