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[1484.40 --> 1486.50] I mean, they still had, like, they still have baggers.
[1486.50 --> 1487.76] There's still baggers at my grocery store.
[1487.76 --> 1490.36] Yeah, but the bagger would actually walk with you out to your car.
[1490.56 --> 1490.94] Oh, no.
[1490.94 --> 1492.58] And load the bags into your car.
[1492.58 --> 1495.18] And then they'd take your cart and they'd take it back.
[1495.70 --> 1495.78] Yeah.
[1495.84 --> 1499.48] Now that's called whoever, you know, delivers something to your car when you mobile order
[1499.48 --> 1500.84] it from Target or like PetSmart.
[1500.84 --> 1501.62] I do miss those days.
[1501.70 --> 1502.56] There's something about that.
[1502.62 --> 1506.30] I think you're onto something, Jared, because what you said you'd like to buy your job and
[1506.30 --> 1509.46] how you get to change lives is similar to this because, you know, you get to, every
[1509.46 --> 1511.14] step of the way, you get the support, you know?
[1511.44 --> 1511.70] Right.
[1511.76 --> 1514.98] You get to make the process, the experience a little easier, a little bit better.
[1515.18 --> 1515.40] Yes.
[1515.52 --> 1517.92] The CNCF is the bagger position of open source.
[1518.04 --> 1519.28] I see where this is going now.
[1519.28 --> 1522.02] Well, I got mad respect for the CNCF.
[1522.18 --> 1527.54] I think you've unified a diverse, if, let's hypothesize.
[1527.88 --> 1533.86] If the CNCF did never exist or it was never formed, how would, if cloud native was never
[1533.86 --> 1535.36] termed or even if it is termed, doesn't matter.
[1535.78 --> 1538.66] How would the world be if there was no CNCF to tie it all together?
[1539.22 --> 1541.06] That's actually tough to hypothesize.
[1541.06 --> 1551.96] So, one of the biggest benefits, like thinking at a super high level, is we're a neutral place
[1551.96 --> 1558.54] for these large vendors to be able to collaborate and essentially make everything better for
[1558.54 --> 1560.52] the consumer in a standardized way.
[1562.06 --> 1564.24] Take that away and what do you have?
[1565.02 --> 1566.06] You have...
[1566.90 --> 1567.74] Proprietary.
[1567.74 --> 1570.06] Everything winds up being proprietary.
[1570.46 --> 1571.28] No clarity.
[1571.90 --> 1573.02] No focus on users.
[1573.92 --> 1575.32] I mean, they'll focus on users.
[1575.32 --> 1575.92] They'll focus on their users.
[1576.10 --> 1579.46] So far as once they get you in there...
[1579.46 --> 1579.86] Right.
[1580.42 --> 1580.64] Silos.
[1580.64 --> 1581.52] You're locked in.
[1582.20 --> 1583.88] The, like, major vendor lock-in.
[1584.70 --> 1586.60] I think that's the biggest thing.
[1586.98 --> 1587.26] Yeah.
[1587.78 --> 1588.64] That's probably true.
[1588.90 --> 1591.62] The vendor lock-in would be horrible.
[1592.36 --> 1594.68] Like, I can't even imagine it.
[1594.68 --> 1595.52] Yeah.
[1595.56 --> 1605.58] And I'm trying to remember back in, like, Heroku, PHP, like, 2008, 2009 days of hosting,
[1605.70 --> 1606.92] you know, web services.
[1607.42 --> 1609.60] Everyone kind of had their own thing.
[1610.00 --> 1612.66] But even then, it wasn't that bad.
[1613.18 --> 1613.44] Yeah.
[1613.44 --> 1615.54] Like, stuff made sense.
[1616.04 --> 1621.54] But also, no one was really sticking around long enough to potentially have, I won't say
[1621.54 --> 1625.52] a monopoly, but a lion's share to lock you in.
[1625.62 --> 1627.84] So it doesn't make sense to shift elsewhere.
[1627.96 --> 1628.42] Everything was...
[1628.42 --> 1629.98] At that point, everything was VMs, right?
[1630.52 --> 1630.72] Yep.
[1630.72 --> 1631.32] So...
[1631.32 --> 1631.82] Exactly.
[1632.98 --> 1637.74] Hey, look, I can spin up a VM on my box, make sure it works, and then, I mean, ship the
[1637.74 --> 1638.16] whole thing.
[1638.50 --> 1639.70] Sucks, but doable.
[1640.50 --> 1640.78] Sure.
[1641.44 --> 1642.80] Jeff, I'm glad you talked to us, man.
[1642.94 --> 1643.72] Dude, this is awesome.
[1643.72 --> 1647.78] Thank you for sharing the story and the CNCF stuff and all that stuff.
[1647.78 --> 1650.16] Shout out to Kara for dragging me away from the booth.
[1650.28 --> 1653.58] Real quick, what's your favorite project and what's your least favorite project?
[1653.70 --> 1653.88] Go.
[1654.22 --> 1654.96] Absolutely not.
[1655.00 --> 1655.36] I refuse.
[1655.94 --> 1657.12] This interview is over.
[1658.46 --> 1660.50] Imagine me knocking over the microphone.
[1661.20 --> 1662.78] Well, not the project, but the people.
[1663.06 --> 1664.88] You know, tell us who's your favorite person and your least...
[1664.88 --> 1665.30] I'm just...
[1665.30 --> 1665.66] I'm messing.
[1665.92 --> 1668.28] Oh, actually, I can at least tell you my favorite person.
[1668.38 --> 1668.62] Okay.
[1668.62 --> 1674.46] I had a coworker who was also a roommate who was also my best friend, and he's my best
[1674.46 --> 1674.80] man.
[1675.08 --> 1675.38] Oh, wow.
[1675.38 --> 1676.36] Well, he was the best man at my wedding.
[1676.96 --> 1679.86] We worked at the University of Michigan since the start.
[1680.14 --> 1684.56] We both moved departments from pathology over to advanced research computing.
[1685.00 --> 1685.42] Wow.
[1685.42 --> 1686.88] I went to Red Hat.
[1687.00 --> 1687.80] He went to Google.
[1688.46 --> 1690.36] So my best friend's Bob Killen.
[1690.48 --> 1691.70] Like, he lives down the street from me.
[1691.72 --> 1692.16] That's cool.
[1692.38 --> 1696.52] We are almost inseparable, except when I get to go to events and he doesn't.
[1697.14 --> 1700.78] Trust me, if he was here, I would have been asking for another microphone because we just
[1700.78 --> 1701.34] would have done that.
[1701.46 --> 1702.76] We do have one more if we need it.
[1703.20 --> 1703.32] So...
[1703.32 --> 1704.78] Bob, come on.
[1704.80 --> 1705.26] That's cool.