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[3192.10 --> 3192.72] Thank you, Amazon.
[3192.72 --> 3198.86] Amazon and it's, you know, for a while it was everyone was downloading from our container registry
[3198.86 --> 3203.40] because you can't just mirror a container registry like you can mirror a Linux kernel, right?
[3203.50 --> 3206.28] And so I think some work can probably be done on that space.
[3206.38 --> 3213.72] But that's a problem that we deal with that a lot of other projects don't deal with is we have to distribute in front the bill and host all this stuff ourselves.
[3214.54 --> 3214.74] Hmm.
[3214.96 --> 3215.68] That's a big bill.
[3215.88 --> 3216.66] That's a hard problem.
[3216.84 --> 3219.02] $3 million just for CI.
[3219.36 --> 3219.58] Yeah.
[3219.58 --> 3220.74] Have you tried R2?
[3220.74 --> 3223.06] Free egress.
[3223.30 --> 3226.40] We are talking to Cloudflare for a bunch of different things.
[3226.42 --> 3226.94] They would love that.
[3227.04 --> 3227.68] I assume so.
[3227.80 --> 3227.90] Yeah.
[3227.98 --> 3228.22] Yeah.
[3228.32 --> 3229.36] Hopefully they help us out.
[3229.52 --> 3229.72] Yeah.
[3230.00 --> 3233.62] We want to do caching too with Cloudflare, right?
[3233.70 --> 3234.68] Or Fastly or someone.
[3235.02 --> 3235.22] Yeah.
[3235.70 --> 3236.76] So shout out to them, please.
[3238.38 --> 3239.24] We like them both.
[3239.64 --> 3243.14] We're expensive, but we're very expensive as an open source project to support.
[3243.98 --> 3244.62] And crucial.
[3245.08 --> 3246.02] It's a cloud-native world.
[3246.40 --> 3246.62] Yeah.
[3247.08 --> 3248.12] Just trying to operate in it.
[3248.12 --> 3251.44] You probably know our audience to some degree.
[3251.50 --> 3252.42] What else is left unsaid?
[3252.50 --> 3258.90] What else should our audience know about crafting the CLI and interacting with potential contributors?
[3259.54 --> 3260.38] Maintainer hacks?
[3260.56 --> 3261.04] Yeah.
[3261.26 --> 3261.90] Maintainer hacks.
[3261.90 --> 3262.34] Sure.
[3262.56 --> 3262.94] Maintainer hacks?
[3262.94 --> 3266.86] So my maintainer hack is that I triage new issues first.
[3267.76 --> 3270.72] And people kind of, this is controversial probably.
[3271.00 --> 3273.90] A lot of people, you should start with the oldest issues and triage them.
[3274.06 --> 3274.30] Yeah.
[3274.30 --> 3279.42] We found that our newest issues are probably the most relevant just because we get hundreds
[3279.42 --> 3281.50] of issues a week opened on the project, right?
[3281.86 --> 3286.90] And we have, the way the Kubernetes repo works is we have the main KK repo, the Kubernetes
[3286.90 --> 3288.02] slash Kubernetes repo.
[3288.28 --> 3290.68] And then we have staging repos.
[3290.68 --> 3293.22] So, so, so, so, cube CTL is a staging repo.
[3293.48 --> 3297.16] So we don't actually accept pull requests to cube CTL as a repo.
[3297.36 --> 3300.64] It has to be made to the main project in the staging directory.
[3300.64 --> 3302.66] And that gets replicated to our repo.
[3302.92 --> 3305.14] So we track issues in both places.
[3305.14 --> 3306.48] And we take PRs in one.
[3306.72 --> 3308.94] So we get issues all over the place.
[3309.02 --> 3312.58] And I can barely keep up with the issues that are on my repo, let alone the main one.
[3312.82 --> 3313.00] Yeah.
[3313.66 --> 3316.06] First in, last out.
[3316.06 --> 3316.94] Yeah.
[3317.02 --> 3320.32] So I start with the newest ones because they're usually the freshest and most relevant.
[3320.60 --> 3324.86] And a lot of times we can just close them right off the bat because it's a support issue
[3324.86 --> 3325.56] or something else.
[3325.56 --> 3326.72] Or a new flag and you're just like, no.
[3326.86 --> 3328.62] Or you're eight versions behind.
[3328.72 --> 3330.00] Please upgrade and try again.
[3330.32 --> 3330.50] Right.
[3331.12 --> 3333.96] Or it's an issue that's like, help, I just deleted my whole namespace.
[3334.64 --> 3335.00] Right.
[3335.52 --> 3335.92] Yeah.
[3335.96 --> 3337.74] That one is really hard to...
[3337.74 --> 3338.76] Sorry about that.
[3338.76 --> 3343.06] Can I send you a bottle of gin or commiserate with you?
[3343.56 --> 3344.98] So we do have plans for that.
[3344.98 --> 3346.74] So we have been working on trying to get that in.
[3347.46 --> 3349.12] What is your day like with issues?
[3349.20 --> 3356.32] Like how many hours a day, either directly in issues or procrastinating, do you spend
[3356.32 --> 3356.94] on issues?
[3358.08 --> 3358.44] Wow.
[3358.64 --> 3359.22] What a call out.
[3359.40 --> 3359.80] Surprise.
[3359.92 --> 3361.52] Kubernetes isn't my full-time job.
[3361.64 --> 3361.98] Okay.
[3362.24 --> 3363.16] Oh, I thought it was.
[3363.30 --> 3364.00] No, I do.
[3364.38 --> 3365.16] When I was...
[3365.16 --> 3366.68] I used to work on the EKS team at Amazon.
[3366.90 --> 3369.18] So I would spend most of my days on Kubernetes.
[3369.18 --> 3373.92] And now I do stuff with supply chain security and some other projects like SIG Store.
[3374.10 --> 3375.34] It's an open SSF project.
[3375.76 --> 3375.86] Yeah.
[3376.62 --> 3382.48] But yeah, so we have a bug triage once a month that we go through where we'll go through as
[3382.48 --> 3382.76] a group.
[3382.82 --> 3386.64] And the idea behind this was that knowledge transfer of where we can talk through the
[3386.64 --> 3388.90] history and the context that people don't have.
[3388.98 --> 3390.62] And we invite lots of new people.
[3390.62 --> 3394.64] So if you're listening and you want to get involved, join us for our bi-weekly, our bi-monthly,
[3395.04 --> 3396.50] our once a month bug scrub.
[3396.78 --> 3398.26] We have bi-weekly SIG meetings.
[3398.78 --> 3402.88] And we have from twice a week to every other week to once a month.
[3402.88 --> 3403.88] I have a Kubernetes meeting every Wednesday.
[3404.40 --> 3406.28] So it's bug triages once a month.
[3406.38 --> 3408.28] And then our general SIG meeting is twice a month.