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[3408.34 --> 3408.58] Gotcha. |
[3408.70 --> 3408.88] Okay. |
[3409.04 --> 3410.06] And so join us for that. |
[3410.22 --> 3413.12] It's kubernetes, github.com slash kubernetes slash community. |
[3413.36 --> 3416.04] And then the SIG CLI folder right at the top, it has meetings. |
[3416.60 --> 3419.06] So it's all public agenda and it's all recorded. |
[3419.06 --> 3420.92] So 9 a.m. |
[3420.94 --> 3421.72] Pacific time. |
[3422.46 --> 3422.86] Cool. |
[3423.14 --> 3423.66] There you go. |
[3423.94 --> 3425.76] Well, thanks for talking to us, Eddie. |
[3425.80 --> 3426.00] Yeah. |
[3426.04 --> 3426.96] Thanks for having me, y'all. |
[3427.52 --> 3428.12] It was a blast. |
[3428.64 --> 3429.30] Let's play Zelda. |
[3429.86 --> 3430.48] Let's play Zelda. |
[3432.46 --> 3433.78] That was awesome, guys. |
[3433.94 --> 3434.26] Yeah, man. |
[3434.28 --> 3434.76] Thanks so much. |
[3434.90 --> 3435.32] That was fun. |
[3446.38 --> 3448.34] This is a Changelog News Break. |
[3449.06 --> 3453.94] Even legendary computer scientist Donald Knuth is playing with chat GPT. |
[3454.58 --> 3459.68] Inspired by a conversation he had with Stephen Wolfram, Knuth asked it 20 questions and wrote |
[3459.68 --> 3461.60] up his analysis of its responses. |
[3462.28 --> 3464.92] His questions are interesting. |
[3465.28 --> 3467.22] Much more intentional than anything I come up with. |
[3467.72 --> 3471.34] He asks things like, does Donald Trump eat beetle nuts? |
[3471.34 --> 3475.94] Write a sonnet that is also a haiku. |
[3476.72 --> 3478.92] What is the most beautiful algorithm? |
[3479.68 --> 3480.36] Stuff like that. |
[3481.32 --> 3484.68] He then provides the answers verbatim and his conclusions. |
[3485.14 --> 3486.98] Here's my favorite thing he has to say about it. |
[3486.98 --> 3492.60] Quote, I find it fascinating that novelists galore have written for decades about scenarios |
[3492.60 --> 3497.94] that might occur after a, quote, singularity in which super intelligent machines exist. |
[3498.20 --> 3503.12] But as far as I know, not a single novelist has realized that such a singularity would |
[3503.12 --> 3509.20] almost surely be preceded by a world in which machines are 0.01% intelligent and in which |
[3509.20 --> 3513.90] millions of real people would be able to interact with them freely at essentially no cost. |
[3513.90 --> 3515.42] End quote. |
[3516.66 --> 3522.96] Despite this game of 20 questions, Knuth does not plan on continuing his generative AI research. |
[3523.62 --> 3528.60] He says he's going to spend his time developing concepts that are authentic and trustworthy. |
[3529.04 --> 3534.26] You just heard one of our five top stories from Monday's Changelog News. |
[3534.60 --> 3539.44] Subscribe to the podcast to get all of the week's top stories and pop your email address in |
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[3543.78 --> 3547.02] with even more developer news worth your attention. |
[3547.40 --> 3550.88] Once again, that's changelog.com slash news. |
[3550.88 --> 3577.34] Where should we begin? |
[3578.10 --> 3578.48] Dapper. |
[3578.82 --> 3579.22] Dapper. |
[3579.42 --> 3580.16] Let's begin with Dapper. |
[3580.16 --> 3580.62] All right. |
[3580.70 --> 3582.28] Open source CNCF. |
[3584.82 --> 3585.22] Graduated. |
[3586.14 --> 3586.90] No, not yet. |
[3587.02 --> 3587.38] Not yet. |
[3587.50 --> 3588.08] Okay, sorry. |
[3588.22 --> 3588.86] It's incubating. |
[3589.26 --> 3589.66] Incubating. |
[3589.92 --> 3590.10] Yeah. |
[3590.36 --> 3593.84] We will graduate at some point, but we're not rushing it. |
[3594.04 --> 3597.06] We'll make sure we get the most out of the CNCF incubating stage. |
[3597.92 --> 3602.50] We are doing lots of things in the CNCF, integrating with other projects. |
[3602.90 --> 3606.86] We really want to make sure we have this core integration with all of the other CNCF projects |
[3606.86 --> 3608.10] before we graduate. |
[3608.10 --> 3609.10] Okay. |
[3609.10 --> 3609.14] Okay. |
[3609.14 --> 3613.56] So, yesterday you said you started Dapper at Microsoft? |
[3613.56 --> 3614.42] Microsoft, yes. |
[3614.42 --> 3614.78] That's correct. |
[3614.78 --> 3615.60] And you're working for them. |
[3615.94 --> 3616.22] Yep. |
[3616.22 --> 3618.74] And you built Dapper as an open source project? |
[3619.28 --> 3619.68] Correct. |
[3619.68 --> 3622.24] And then, well, first of all, what was it? |
[3622.38 --> 3624.10] And then, tell that story. |
[3624.24 --> 3625.60] What was Dapper when you built it then? |
[3626.36 --> 3627.26] And what happened next? |
[3627.26 --> 3627.86] Yeah. |
[3628.00 --> 3633.36] So, in 2018, I was at Microsoft and I was working for the Azure CTO called MarkoSyndvich. |
[3633.80 --> 3639.56] That was an incubations team whose job was basically to look for bleeding-edge technologies |
[3639.56 --> 3646.32] and come up with innovative open source technologies that could really give Microsoft a boost in the ecosystem. |
[3647.18 --> 3650.28] And, yeah, I was mostly working on open source. |
[3650.50 --> 3655.82] I was contributing to Kubernetes, Terraform, a bunch of other projects along that line. |
[3655.82 --> 3660.72] And then, I met someone called Mark Fussell, who today became the co-founder of my company, DIGRID. |
[3661.28 --> 3668.98] And we were looking into how can we improve the lives of application developers, not necessarily DevOps or infrastructure people, |
[3669.28 --> 3671.54] on top of Kubernetes in the cloud-native space. |
[3671.88 --> 3676.98] Because, you know, the ratio between a DevOps engineer and application developer is 10 to 1 in the favor of an application developer. |
[3677.32 --> 3680.22] And we call them the silent majority of cloud-native, right? |
[3680.22 --> 3689.44] Because if you look at the CNCF ecosystem, most of it is, you know, around, like, how do you do GitOps and Ops and, you know, security and supply chain and CICD. |
[3689.64 --> 3694.82] But there is no one out there that's really solving the problems of, like, core distributed systems challenges. |
[3695.16 --> 3702.12] And this is why we came up with Dapper as this core tool that developers can use to focus on their business logic and not distribute the systems issues. |
[3702.12 --> 3702.60] Okay. |
[3703.40 --> 3704.22] A core tool. |
[3704.48 --> 3709.22] So developers can focus on their business logic and not distributed systems problems, is that what you said? |
[3709.40 --> 3709.50] Yeah. |
[3709.96 --> 3712.40] What are the distributed systems problems? |
[3712.72 --> 3712.92] Yeah. |
[3713.18 --> 3714.54] And how does Dapper deal with them? |
[3714.60 --> 3720.10] So, for example, as a developer, you have to make sure that your application is, first of all, secure, and second of all, reliable. |
[3720.10 --> 3728.82] And that usually translates into a lot of boilerplate code that you, as a developer, need to write on your own to basically make your application more secure wherever it's running. |
[3729.16 --> 3733.70] And Dapper will basically give you the security and reliability features out of the box immediately. |
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