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[3834.96 --> 3843.84] have installed on your latest update and on linux it's webkit gtk which itself isn't totally feature |
[3843.84 --> 3850.80] uh compliant for example web rtc doesn't work there so we also built two other kinds of windows |
[3850.80 --> 3859.12] so there's an immediate mode gl type window called tauri egui which you have to use rust for uh it's |
[3859.12 --> 3867.76] a real good way around it right now but uh rerun.io is the company behind egui and it provides a javascript |
[3867.76 --> 3876.32] html and css free way of building user interface that we recommend for people who have high security |
[3876.32 --> 3881.76] requirements you know you don't paste your password into a javascript window because you never know what |
[3881.76 --> 3886.32] somebody builds with the node module that you installed so you use one of those and recently |
[3887.20 --> 3895.20] it's not actually been made super public yet but there is also a web gpu window type that you can |
[3895.20 --> 3902.80] create so for example the bevy game group they need the wgpu but they also would like to put some |
[3903.36 --> 3911.20] html type buttons on it so it was a research project with crab nebula we put that together in about a week |
[3911.20 --> 3921.20] so now you have more options and all ideally the future looks like either servo or cef |
[3921.20 --> 3927.36] chromium embedded framework both of them come with caveats and i mean cef would be the |
[3928.40 --> 3933.84] the quick way to do it but then you know we're shipping chromium to everybody again anyway that |
[3933.84 --> 3938.16] in and of itself and making it work on all of these different platforms oh my gosh then there's the |
[3938.16 --> 3946.56] mobile stuff as well has really led to us building these low-level tools and then expecting people who |
[3946.56 --> 3953.52] build front ends to create the kind of user interfaces they need and did you say earlier i |
[3953.52 --> 3959.20] kind of expected that to be the product of crab nebula so like i was thinking more along the tailwind |
[3959.20 --> 3965.28] css is the open source project and then tailwind ui is like the thing that you go and buy and so i was |
[3965.28 --> 3970.32] kind of expecting you did mention productizing some ui stuff but there's a lot different stuff in there i |
[3970.32 --> 3976.96] kind of expected that to be your your product play was all this additional layer on top that provides |
[3977.60 --> 3984.40] cross-platform widgets and cool looking things you can use you know the the doodads and the can i be |
[3984.40 --> 3990.80] honest with you i think that market is right now too small fair i think that that market needs two to |
[3990.80 --> 3996.72] five years to mature maybe two maybe less if we're really successful doing what we're doing but right now |
[3996.72 --> 4002.40] right it's not the time to bring that out i think that there's there's so many options for people to |
[4002.40 --> 4008.80] build stuff that yeah i mean fair enough i always get a laugh at the phrase can i be honest with you |
[4008.80 --> 4015.04] because it's like well what have you been doing this whole time daniel come on i i i meant i know i'm |
[4015.04 --> 4021.44] just kidding jared you know it's those in german they call them fluskel in german they call them fluskel |
[4021.44 --> 4026.56] what's that mean it's just like little flippers ah it's like little things you inject into a sentence |
[4026.56 --> 4031.68] to pass the time while you decide if you're actually going to say the thing you want to say |
[4031.68 --> 4037.20] right no i'm just giving you a hard time good stuff daniel we've talked about a lot is there anything |
[4037.20 --> 4043.92] obvious or big in cart regarding your news and your release 2.0 you mentioned like is this stuff |
[4043.92 --> 4049.28] burgeoning you have a product in the fall like what's coming out what's what else have we talked |
[4049.28 --> 4055.60] about or that you want to reiterate as a as a final thing well i mean right now tauri itself is |
[4055.60 --> 4061.68] close to entering the beta phase the beta phase means we've reached a compliance internally with |
[4061.68 --> 4068.00] our expectations of what it should do basically as soon as we mark tauri as 2.0 beta we're sending |
[4068.00 --> 4073.52] it off to audit it's going to be audited by two companies radically open security on one hand and on |
[4073.52 --> 4082.88] the other hand crab nebula because crab nebula has been auditing tauri since the 1.0 release 1.3 or 4 |
[4082.88 --> 4088.80] you know whenever we started the company back in november and once the audit is completed and we've |
[4088.80 --> 4097.36] fixed the findings we will then mark tauri as rc0 give the community a good time to feedback reply |
[4097.36 --> 4105.28] make last minute changes and then we will release tauri 2.0 um i hesitate to give timelines because |
[4105.28 --> 4111.04] audits can find lots of things that you weren't expecting uh but we do expect to keep things speed |
[4111.04 --> 4117.36] we have a blog post about it on the tauri website where we we go into detail about it but the challenges |
[4117.36 --> 4123.60] of an open source community is that it's really hard i mean even with the you know venture-backed group |
[4123.60 --> 4130.88] like we are being involved it's really hard to give the community timelines i'd like to say a certain |
[4130.88 --> 4137.20] date but obviously you know we've learned that you know engineering sometimes just takes the time it |
[4137.20 --> 4144.96] takes but we're closing it on it and it will have mobile so i think we're we're checking off the the |
[4144.96 --> 4151.36] to-do list for for tauri right now well all exciting things daniel we of course hope the best for you |
[4151.36 --> 4156.08] always appreciate you coming on the show and discussing these things big picture little |
[4156.08 --> 4163.28] picture i love how you can go from this from the stars down into the nitty-gritty of web views just |
[4163.28 --> 4168.80] like that so we definitely appreciate your you're our kind of fella we appreciate you coming on and uh |
[4168.80 --> 4173.92] come back anytime especially when you're ready to announce your open source privacy focused browser |
[4173.92 --> 4176.96] project promise to do so thanks daniel |
[4176.96 --> 4186.32] just on the tale of our what do you want from a web browser episode on change like my friends here we |
[4186.32 --> 4193.12] are on this podcast talking about exactly what we all thought made the most sense an open source |
[4193.12 --> 4199.68] privacy focused web browser and daniel's talking about it so we're kind of excited about that are you |
[4199.68 --> 4206.64] at all interested in this coming to fruition if so let us know slack twitter comments |
[4206.64 --> 4212.72] take your flavor whatever works for you coming up tomorrow on change talking friends we invited our |
[4212.72 --> 4218.88] good friend christina warren film girl to talk about the death of physical media as it relates to |
[4219.52 --> 4225.44] netflix dvd shutting down as it relates to the era we're in where streaming is really taking over |
[4225.44 --> 4232.48] and being favored by the studios and everyone else it's a good show it was fun i hope you listen to it |
[4232.48 --> 4238.32] comes out tomorrow and a big thank you to our friends and our partners at fastly fly and type |
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[4247.28 --> 4252.96] check out fly check out fastly and check out type sense they're all awesome but hey that's it |
[4252.96 --> 4266.80] the show's done we will see you tomorrow |
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• Tauri's 2.0 release includes mobile support for Android and iOS |
• The 2.0 release has a competitive binary size, around 8.5 megabytes |
• Tauri is a community-driven framework for building multi-platform apps |
• The framework is focused on security and small bundle size |
• Adoption has been high since the 1.0 release, with many projects on GitHub |
• The ecosystem is growing, with companies like AWS acquiring Fig.io |
• The acquisition is a validation of the Tauri ecosystem |
• Companies are starting to offer licensed services and integrations with Tauri |
• The Rust aspect of Tauri can be intimidating for some developers |
• Learning Rust is a barrier to adoption, but also an opportunity for Rust |
• The Tauri community is working to provide resources and guidance for developers. |
• Discussion of the proper pronunciation of SQLite |
• Increased interest in using Rust in the background of Tauri apps |
• Variety of ways to work around Rust barriers, including using Python, Elixir, PHP, and JavaScript |
• Overview of Tauri's open-source strategy and funding |
• Establishment of a company, CrabNebula, to support Tauri's development and maintenance |
• Introduction of a venture capital firm, OSS Capital, and their support for open-source projects |
• Disclosure of notable angel investors, including leaders from Automattic, GitHub, and Vercel |
• Discussion of auditing software built with Tauri and Rust |
• Plans to build a platform to simplify app distribution and updating. |
• App signing requirements creating problems for Tauri developers |
• European Union's new law requiring app stores to allow third-party apps |
• Efforts to empower citizen developers and provide access to larger markets |
• Importance of supporting the Tauri community and making it more sustainable |
• CrabNebula's role in donating full-time employees to work on Tauri and other open-source projects |
• Tauri's organizational structure, including its dual-licensed code and involvement with the Commons Conservancy |
• CrabNebula's goals for the future, including developing products and services to address app signing issues and provide tools for developers |
• Critique of current products and services in the market and desire to create more innovative solutions. |
• Building dev tools and platform for scalability and flexibility across various platforms |
• Importance of open source community and avoiding sole entity control or profit |
• Ambition to align Tauri framework with standards like JavaScript and push ecosystem forward |
• Monetization of open source and avoiding commercialization of community |
• Declaring Tauri "done" and focusing on maintenance and future projects |
• Exploring possibilities of building an open source browser or other tools |
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