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[4525.64 --> 4527.48] I don't think their position has changed. |
[4527.52 --> 4528.56] And again, it's a defensible position. |
[4528.56 --> 4530.18] What I mean is how they addressed it by any means. |
[4530.18 --> 4536.08] Have they gone back to the SSPL conversation and said, okay, worst case, here's the positive |
[4536.08 --> 4541.14] size to the SSPL or BSL license organizations that are doing this. |
[4541.26 --> 4544.88] I mean, if they're not going to call it open source, which is, you know, totally, you know, |
[4544.92 --> 4550.38] at their discretion and the committee's discretion who gets voted in and runs the board and stuff |
[4550.38 --> 4552.98] like that, which is peer led. |
[4553.10 --> 4553.80] It's a peer vote. |
[4553.96 --> 4554.20] Correct. |
[4554.30 --> 4559.74] You know, so it's not like some randos are just running the OSI, you know, ragged or whatever. |
[4559.88 --> 4560.94] It's, they're voted in. |
[4561.28 --> 4566.32] But they're voted in by folks that are way more on the, this is the pure definition. |
[4566.42 --> 4568.28] Because that's why the OSI was created, right? |
[4568.28 --> 4568.42] Right. |
[4568.42 --> 4569.54] To defend the definition. |
[4569.62 --> 4569.94] Exactly. |
[4570.18 --> 4570.40] Right. |
[4570.48 --> 4570.70] Exactly. |
[4570.70 --> 4575.08] So it's sort of a self replicating machine because it's like the people who are voting |
[4575.08 --> 4578.42] are going to vote for people who still believe, you know, I don't know though, in my defense, |
[4578.50 --> 4584.24] in their defense, I, I wouldn't call myself an avid keeper upper on top of OSI breaking |
[4584.24 --> 4584.44] news. |
[4584.44 --> 4584.72] That was my question primarily. |
[4585.06 --> 4586.50] Neither are we, which is why we're asking. |
[4586.50 --> 4587.76] That's why I'm asking you. |
[4587.98 --> 4592.66] And then the question, I guess then, if you were, was when have they last addressed BSL |
[4592.66 --> 4593.22] or SSPL? |
[4593.40 --> 4596.16] Have, has there been any positive and or negative? |
[4596.94 --> 4597.82] Maybe we can go back and. |
[4597.82 --> 4598.08] Yeah. |
[4598.12 --> 4599.66] Again, not to my knowledge, but I mean. |
[4599.80 --> 4601.86] And they're like, I'm looking it up right now, you idiots. |
[4602.24 --> 4602.60] Yeah. |
[4602.60 --> 4608.00] Well, if, Hey, if anyone from the OSI is listening, please tell us because yeah, if, if there is |
[4608.00 --> 4612.74] something in the works around like, or already happening around this, this funding sustainability |
[4612.74 --> 4613.46] issue. |
[4613.58 --> 4613.86] Right. |
[4614.02 --> 4614.30] Great. |
[4614.48 --> 4616.62] So where does Ivan fall in this world? |
[4616.90 --> 4617.26] Oh yeah. |
[4617.34 --> 4618.32] Is it purely open source or? |
[4618.42 --> 4618.68] Yeah. |
[4618.74 --> 4623.16] So the reason I like Ivan is because all of the underlying data technologies are actual open |
[4623.16 --> 4624.82] source with a capital O and capital S. |
[4624.82 --> 4625.14] Right. |
[4625.42 --> 4627.80] So they got streaming services built off Kafka or. |
[4627.82 --> 4628.50] It's not even built off. |
[4628.60 --> 4629.88] It's like you get Kafka. |
[4630.06 --> 4634.68] We manage it for you so that you don't have to panic because Kafka is apparently a nightmare |
[4634.68 --> 4636.76] to manage is what I'm reading out of like things. |
[4636.90 --> 4637.36] And so it's like. |
[4637.36 --> 4641.18] That's the key to having an awesome open source infrastructure project to build businesses |
[4641.18 --> 4641.54] around. |
[4641.64 --> 4641.96] Yeah. |
[4642.02 --> 4645.26] Is it has to be really valuable and really hard to manage on your own. |
[4645.26 --> 4645.40] Yeah. |
[4645.40 --> 4645.64] Yeah. |
[4645.64 --> 4646.06] Exactly. |
[4646.20 --> 4649.52] I just had a conversation with Red Panda's founder, which is probably in your neck of the |
[4649.52 --> 4652.88] woods because they essentially are a better version of Kafka. |
[4653.14 --> 4653.38] Yeah. |
[4653.46 --> 4653.70] Okay. |
[4653.70 --> 4654.10] Right on. |
[4654.28 --> 4654.80] In their terms. |
[4654.80 --> 4655.08] Yeah. |
[4655.08 --> 4655.14] Yeah. |
[4655.78 --> 4655.94] Yeah. |
[4656.04 --> 4660.32] No, I like Ivan because they don't, they don't want, they legit don't want vendor lock-in. |
[4660.42 --> 4664.32] Like if you, if Ivan makes you angry, you can take your Kafka and move it to Confluent |
[4664.32 --> 4666.90] or whoever you, I'm probably not supposed to say that word, but anyway, you know what I |
[4666.90 --> 4667.04] mean? |
[4667.04 --> 4671.52] Like, it's like, it's fine because we're selling, you know, what we're trying to sell is like, |
[4671.58 --> 4673.78] Hey, we're the security layer on top of your thing. |
[4673.78 --> 4674.90] We're going to do the updates for you. |
[4674.90 --> 4675.86] Like this kind of stuff. |
[4675.90 --> 4676.18] Right. |
[4676.30 --> 4677.54] So that you can then be like, great. |
[4677.60 --> 4678.40] I don't have to worry about that. |
[4678.42 --> 4680.44] I can just write the stuff my business cares about. |
[4680.44 --> 4682.30] Cause they don't care if I'm running a Kafka cluster. |
[4682.30 --> 4683.52] Like they don't care about that. |
[4683.76 --> 4683.96] Right. |
[4683.96 --> 4685.78] They care about the results that they're going to get. |
[4685.86 --> 4686.00] Right. |
[4686.26 --> 4689.88] The other thing I like about them is, you know, a lot of companies will try to make |
[4689.88 --> 4690.86] money off of open source. |
[4690.98 --> 4693.20] Like that's, you know, why we're all here. |
[4693.20 --> 4693.42] Right. |
[4693.48 --> 4696.36] It's like this conference is, you know, very enterprise profit. |
[4696.56 --> 4696.84] Yeah. |
[4696.92 --> 4697.52] How do we profit? |
[4697.52 --> 4703.12] But they have an open source programs office, for example, and they hire like Kafka core |
[4703.12 --> 4706.44] maintainers to make sure that the software that we're selling to our customers stays well |
[4706.44 --> 4706.80] maintained. |
[4706.80 --> 4710.74] So that's why, that's what kind of drew me there is it aligns really well with my values. |
[4710.92 --> 4715.48] And I still love MongoDB, still love Drupal, but that idea of like building something that |
[4715.48 --> 4720.34] can really be used to build anything and all powered off, you know, open source, like true |
[4720.34 --> 4721.16] open source stuff. |
[4721.42 --> 4722.02] That's awesome. |
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