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[5483.18 --> 5489.66] right where like i could you know have a roommate in a studio apartment and like cover my food and my |
[5489.66 --> 5495.82] drinks for the week like you know it's it's better than most but it's and i'm grateful for it but it's |
[5495.82 --> 5501.98] still not anywhere close to sufficient like we need to be in a world where somebody providing public value |
[5501.98 --> 5509.50] like a public good is able to live their life without disruption and that's not where we are right now |
[5509.50 --> 5515.66] yeah what would you change about tie lift about get up sponsors what would you change about how |
[5515.66 --> 5521.18] because it's all about distribution and awareness and you're only one person right they have a company |
[5521.18 --> 5527.34] in both cases profit in both cases i assume tie lift profits um they have marketing they probably |
[5527.34 --> 5532.62] have marketing dollars they spend they do upstream they do a lot of outreach what would you change about |
[5533.26 --> 5538.22] i guess any of the things you use to make it better for you and for others honestly i think it's |
[5538.22 --> 5542.94] just a pipeline problem what i would change if i had a little regulatory magic wand is i would make the |
[5542.94 --> 5550.14] e the us and the eu uh require that profitable companies only profitable ones donate you know |
[5550.14 --> 5555.98] or contribute let's say one percent of their profit to their open source infrastructure period and you |
[5555.98 --> 5561.18] can do that with time or with money you know you can sponsor conferences and that counts like it'd be |
[5561.18 --> 5566.30] very liberally interpreted if something like that were to happen companies would just do it all over |
[5566.30 --> 5570.86] the world because it's simpler than you know trying to separate out the money and on top of that |
[5570.86 --> 5576.06] uh there would be so much money that companies like tide lift and thanks.dev and so on would |
[5576.62 --> 5581.18] would already be there to fill the gap and like provide that accountability you know the government |
[5581.18 --> 5585.58] would require a forum or something and like can help filter the money to the right folks i think that |
[5585.58 --> 5590.62] would be that would just solve this problem because like i said capitalism right we have capital and |
[5590.62 --> 5596.62] regulation and i think that and unless we can i can't come up with a big enough capital incentive |
[5596.62 --> 5602.06] that's convincing enough but regulation could do it profitable companies yeah so if your company |
[5602.06 --> 5606.30] doesn't make any money you're good as soon as you start making money every dollar you make a penny has |
[5606.30 --> 5613.58] to go towards open source there's a lot of very well known well used a lot of value even created by |
[5613.58 --> 5618.14] the company that doesn't make money they lose money absolutely and you could argue that that they |
[5618.14 --> 5623.58] might even make money off of that great one percent of that could also go sure right like it's |
[5623.58 --> 5627.90] i i'm not precluding them making money regulation challenging i see where you're going with that |
[5627.90 --> 5632.94] i think regulation magic wand yeah i know i know you did i'm hypothetical in this a little bit |
[5633.66 --> 5637.50] you might get into a world where it's like well we don't want to be profitable or we're not |
[5637.50 --> 5641.82] profitable you know and we're already in that world that's what companies do to try and ditch taxes |
[5642.06 --> 5646.94] and that's a yeah exactly that's why you know hbo shelves shows and and writes them off right oh i |
[5646.94 --> 5653.42] know isn't that the worst like completely finished yeah movies literally yeah just not released they could |
[5653.42 --> 5658.46] just release that on bit torrent for the world to have totally makes no sense they deep six it |
[5659.18 --> 5664.46] yeah and that's your only change regulation i think i mean obviously i would make many changes in the |
[5664.46 --> 5668.70] world if i had that kind of power but i think that as it relates specifically to the funding of open |
[5668.70 --> 5674.38] source i think that one change would be the most impactful could github or tidelift do more i guess |
[5674.94 --> 5679.10] always my sub question yeah always um and i think what could they do more well i think tide lifts |
[5679.10 --> 5685.90] the all they need to do is get more subscribers and that's a human problem a sales challenge right |
[5685.90 --> 5691.90] right um github is in a position where they can do a lot more but microsoft would have to be willing |
[5691.90 --> 5697.18] to pump a lot more money into it post acquisition than they seem to have been doing lately um |
[5698.38 --> 5703.74] you know yeah it's i i don't think for example i don't think github sponsors is really staffed right now |
[5703.74 --> 5708.46] inside github and i think that there's at least one person i think they might have one person but |
[5708.46 --> 5712.70] like i talked to her but there should be more than one there should be like looking for people |
[5712.70 --> 5717.74] 20 people on that product right and i don't think there is so like a lot of things that github seem |
[5717.74 --> 5723.42] to be understaffed at the moment how does npm look in uh from my external view it seems wildly |
[5723.42 --> 5728.22] understaffed as well that's there's a lot of things they need to fix and the people working there |
[5728.22 --> 5734.14] who are doing great work are very overworked what a world man i know it stop talking i don't |
[5734.14 --> 5739.10] want to hear any more of this stuff you're starting to scare me all right well let's uh let's chill your |
[5739.10 --> 5746.22] your links now github sponsors how do they hit you up what do we do github.com slash what uh lj h a r b |
[5746.22 --> 5752.86] lj harb that's i'm that on everything lj harb if you use javascript i do probably use his code |
[5752.86 --> 5760.14] if you are in an organization that profits from that javascript maybe uh throw them a bone that's |
[5760.14 --> 5767.26] right type npm fund into your node code base join tide lift throw some money at thanks.dev i mean just |
[5767.82 --> 5772.78] pick one or more ways and try and get your company to contribute certainly do so yourself if you can but |
[5772.78 --> 5777.26] you know it's much more impactful to take your employer's money than yours so yeah yeah for sure |
[5778.22 --> 5779.82] thanks man yeah appreciate it thanks for having me |
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