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**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, we talked to Tim forever ago, basically. The godfather. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, when it first became a thing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Nice. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** He was at Google then. Is he still at Google? |
**Eddie Zaneski:** He's still at Google, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, there you go. Food for you, Tim. Slay it. What should we know about the CLI? What's important with its development team, the SIG, how does it work... |
**Jerod Santo:** Maintaining it...? |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Yeah. So one of the hardest things we have to do is say no to people, all day. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, I bet. I'm sure a lot of people have told you that, but... Everyone wants a short flag for everything, everyone wants a long flag for everything... |
**Jerod Santo:** A lot of flags. |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Everyone wants every feature as a flag or command... |
**Jerod Santo:** How many flags does it currently have? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** What's the language of the CLI? |
**Eddie Zaneski:** It's all Go. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's all Go. Okay. |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Yup. Cobra... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I've been doing a lot of Bash scripting, and I'm like, you know, at some point I'm gonna graduate from Bash to something else besides Bash... But it does a lot. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Like, Bash scripting is a lot of fun, and it's pretty powerful, but I feel like my next -- if I keep going in this direction... |
**Jerod Santo:** GOing...? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Go. Yeah. |
**Eddie Zaneski:** I mean, I feel like I'm learning Bash. I've never sat down to properly learn Bash, and you can do a lot with it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. And thank God for ChatGPT, because I'm learning Bash left and right because of ChatGPT. |
**Jerod Santo:** It's somewhat esoteric in my history, but I think having ChatGPT would make it super-easy to accomplish a lot of things. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[36:00\] It is. I mean, there's a lot you can -- I mean, you can iterate quite a lot with it, which is a side tangent from crafting a CLI with Go, but... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, but even the looping and the conditionals inside of the loops... There's weird times where you use the square brackets, you don't have to, and then there's flags, there's conditional flags inside of the loops, and stuff... |
**Eddie Zaneski:** How many square brackets do you use... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, multiple square brackets change things... It is esoteric, but powerful. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Very powerful. And it's already there. |
**Jerod Santo:** And you use it just -- when I say 'you', I'm talking about me. You use it frequently enough that you always have to Google for the syntax. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So again, GPTs for the win on that one. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, for sure. And on that note, I am very thankful, because -- well, this isn't about ChatGPT necessarily, but I think it has flattened the world to allow people who are Go-curious, or Bash-curious, or scripting-curious... |
**Jerod Santo:** Kubectl-curious... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Kube cuttle, or -- what was the other one? |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Kube CTL, Kube Control... Kube Ektal... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Kube Ektal, yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Which is kind of cool to say, actually. Kube Ektal. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You know what you want, you can describe what you want, but you can't quite get there. But if you learn enough, then you can repeat yourself, you learn that stuff, and... |
**Jerod Santo:** This episode brought to you by Open AI. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's right, there you go. OpenAI. |
**Jerod Santo:** How many flags does Kubectl have? |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Oh, man, I can't tell you that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gosh... |
**Eddie Zaneski:** We've got a lot. We've got a lot of sub-commands. We've got probably 20 sub-commands, maybe more, and they all have lots and lots of flags. We basically have an entire framework just to add flags to the commands if they get instantiated. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, yes, the old flagging framework... |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** What's the biggest challenge? So you said saying no, but... Maybe personally. Maybe not as a team, but personally. You've been on the project for four years; we didn't exactly hear about how you got there or anything like that, but what are the challenges maintaining a project of that high demand and u... |
**Eddie Zaneski:** Definitely contributors. We have a saying on Kubernetes, "Chop wood, carry water." |
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