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**Autumn Nash:** But that's so dope though, because people look down on people -- like, I have a similar like childhood background; very dysfunctional... I'm the first girl to go to college or finish high school in my family, and people look down on people that didn't go to college... But everything you just said is li... |
**David Beale:** Thank you, Autumn. That means a lot to me. And I'm really sorry to hear that you had a dysfunctional childhood as well. It's hard, but... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's hard, but it prepares you. I feel like I can take on anything after my childhood. People are like "Oh, this thing happened" and I'm like "I've been through worse. It's cool." |
**David Beale:** I'm pretty resilient because of it. |
**Autumn Nash:** It makes you grateful for things. I look at the way that my kids grow up, and I'm like "Dude, they don't even know some of the stuff." I just remember not being able to pay bills, or... My kids will eat so much fruit, and I'm like "Dude, I didn't even know what fresh fruit was." I'm just like "You get ... |
people are like "Why do you care about remote work?" and I'm like "I know what it's like to never have your parents home, and to just be on your own, and the things that happen." I think it gives you a really grateful place to come from. It's crappy, but... Plus also, I love finding people with different backgrounds, l... |
**David Beale:** Well, I try. Shout-out to Rare Birds Music here in Chicago. Great used and vintage music store. |
**Autumn Nash:** I love those little spots. |
**David Beale:** Yeah, yeah. No, it's true... I'm a big kind of self-help junkie for the past couple of years, and I'm listening to this book right now called "The Courage to be Disliked." And it's a Japanese book, based on like Adler psychology... He was like a contemporary of Freud. And it kind of denounces trauma. O... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[20:10\] Yeah. I think you've got to acknowledge it and deal with it, but it's really good when you get past it and you can use it for good. You know what I mean? |
**David Beale:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, I love friends that you can share books with, because Justin's always like "I read this book" and I'm just like "How do I keep up with you?" |
**Justin Garrison:** I'm sorry, I know I send you homework, and I don't mean to. |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm just like "Justin...!" I've got like three different kids, and like a whole engineer job, and on-call, and five different boards... I'm like "How do you read all these books...?" |
**David Beale:** Yeah. I wake up pretty early, and try to have some like -- I try to do morning pages, which is incredible when I do it, but difficult to keep up with. And then try to listen to at least like 30 to 60 minutes of like pure audiobook uninterrupted... And then I'm one of those weirdos that can listen to an... |
**Autumn Nash:** It depends on if it's like mind -- not mindless, but... You know the muscle memory things that you do all day? When I'm like going through tickets, or like doing something that's a muscle memory activity... But have you ever turned down the radio when you really need to concentrate? |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. You're like "Hold on, I need to find this place. Let me turn down the radio." Like, bro', that's -- |
**Autumn Nash:** And I'm like "I don't know what that has to do with it", but sometimes I'm like... I feel like through college I read so many technical books, because I went to college a lot later in life, and then I had like kids, and I didn't get to enjoy to reads... So I'm constantly trying to get technical reading... |
**Justin Garrison:** It's a thing. You have to. It's a requirement. |
**Autumn Nash:** I don't even know what that is, but... |
**David Beale:** Yeah, I do that sometimes. I listen to mostly instrumental music, if I listen to music while I'm working. And I do typically like writing, or editing, anything that's a little bit more creative, I'll listen to electronic music or some type of instrumental music. And so I've actually been sharing on Lin... |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, that's awesome. |
**David Beale:** Yeah. And so they're all like an hour and a half long of just like what I consider to be really good instrumental focus music, that puts me in a really good state. |
**Autumn Nash:** Isn't that crazy to find all the different things that work for your different flow states, depending on what you're doing? Because they can be so different, but it's really effective when you learn how to -- I'm definitely neuro-spicy, and I feel like when you find out how to hack your brain, or how t... |
**David Beale:** Yeah, no, it's insane. Things that work for me would send other people into like a full-on panic attack, probably. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, for sure. The amount of caffeine I drink... It's so funny, because when you go on the engineer floor, you're like "We're so neuro--" Like, there's so many caffeine support beverages... |
**David Beale:** Do you remember Bawls? Did you ever drink that back in the day? |
**Justin Garrison:** I remember the drink, yeah. I never had it. |
**David Beale:** It was disgusting... |
**Autumn Nash:** Have you seen the candy that we -- and like the sodas, and just... My kids will bring home like -- what's that one with like the basic sugar that you dip in, those dips packs? |
**David Beale:** Fun Dip. |
**Justin Garrison:** Fun Dip, yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** I was like "They just let us eat anything." |
**Justin Garrison:** I mean, Pixy Stix, right? Like, you're just like "Oh, let me just pour a bunch of sugar in my mouth", and just... |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm just like, how did we not glow in the dark? I get my kids -- I feel like I make them eat healthy cereal, but like for Halloween I'm always like "Let's go get fun cereal", and my kids ate cereal this morning and they're like bouncing off the walls. And I'm like "How did we survive eating crap all th... |
**David Beale:** \[24:04\] Yeah... If we let my son have like syrup on his pancakes - three, four hours of just complete insanity. |
**Autumn Nash:** I swear to God, I was just like "What?" |
**Justin Garrison:** You do that on school days. |
**Autumn Nash:** My kids are just like buzzing, and I'm like "What is wrong with you? Oh, you ate cereal..." |
**Justin Garrison:** So getting a little back, David, I want to talk a little more about what -- what did you do after getting your career in order? What were the kind of the jobs you gravitated towards, and the technologies that you were like "Oh, this is interesting"? Because it seemed like you kept scratching your o... |
**David Beale:** Yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** You were like "I want to find this thing, I want to do that thing", and now you're like "I have to go sell this to someone. Someone has to pay me to do something for them." |
**David Beale:** So yeah, I can kind of sum it up pretty quickly... So after that temp job, I moved to a slightly bigger city, Roanoke, Virginia, which is kind of in the mountains a little bit, but it has an airport... And I got a job at a computer store; just like two dudes, Randy and Richard, the Computer Exchange, t... |
So I stuck with that for like five years, and like toured, and really kind of lived an artist's life. And then I moved to New York in 2014. And so when I got there, I had kind of disparate skillsets. I'd done some networking, some desktop support, a little bit of server stuff here and there, and I could write some code... |
At the time, Ruby was kind of like the DSL of DevOps. You had Chef, and Capistrano, and Puppet, and a lot of -- there was a lot of Ruby stuff happening. So I had those jobs... If I remember correctly, the first couple of weeks I was there, I went to a recruiter, and they were like "Yeah, just learn AWS and learn Chef."... |
**Justin Garrison:** That recruiter was on top of it, right? Because in like 2014, telling someone to learn AWS and Chef was still early for a lot of companies. |
**David Beale:** Well, there was no DevOps engineers. |
**Justin Garrison:** Right. It wasn't a thing. |
**David Beale:** So you had like developers, you had sysadmins... And I was straight in the middle. I could speak both languages well enough, and... Yeah, I had to get up to speed on some things. I had messed around with Subversion before, but I didn't really know Git. I'd never really played around with Jenkins, or CI... |
**Autumn Nash:** In your defense, they don't teach any of that stuff in school, and there's nowhere that you really learn that type of thing... So I think it just takes context anyways, for everybody. |
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