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**David Beale:** Agreed. Yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** After that you were in New York, you started doing DevOps over and over again for startups, migrating Heroku to AWS over and over again. What came after that? Are you still helping people migrate Heroku to AWS? It's still a thing. Like, there's still a lot of people doing it. |
**David Beale:** \[28:16\] Yeah. It depends on how much they're paying. No, so I worked at a bunch of startups, for fairly decent stints; a year, two years, whatever. And so I worked at some notable ones in New York... Etsy - not really a startup, but... And at the time that was actually Google Cloud. I worked at a com... |
**Justin Garrison:** Not Kubernetes. |
**David Beale:** No. |
**Justin Garrison:** Everything Kubernetes is a K, so... |
**David Beale:** Honestly, though - it's funny... Kustomer with a K, but they used Amazon ECS. So like -- |
**Justin Garrison:** There you go. |
**David Beale:** So there was a little bit of Kubernetes, but not primarily. And then I met my wife in 2020. She's from Chicago. We had our son, and we moved here shortly before he was born. And it's just a similar vibe. We live in cool neighborhood, and my life isn't really that different from New York, but... A start... |
**Justin Garrison:** Hopefully it stays that way. The remote jobs in general are falling into cities. |
**David Beale:** Yeah, it's weird. I see it both ways. I will say this, and something that I'm going to emphasize - for someone early in their career, go move to a city. Go work in-person. Like, once you're older and established, and you know what you're doing, remote's amazing. But early on in your career, I think tha... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. A lot of the transactional interactions we have with people, you don't have the time to learn. You're just like "I need to get something done, and then we're off." And you miss a lot of that extra bonus stuff of in-person. |
**David Beale:** Yeah. And you don't get to watch other people work; you overhear so much -- so much of the value of valuable information I've heard in my career is just from me eavesdropping. |
**Break**: \[30:26\] |
**Autumn Nash:** I feel like you must've learned a lot switching startups every year and having to kind of adjust to the new team, and what everyone's using there... What do you think you took away the most? ...because I feel like now you can walk into any room, if you could go to that many different startups and start... |
**David Beale:** Yeah, I would say the biggest reason is cost. Heroku is very batteries included. The barrier to entry is negligible, but you're going to pay for it once you're there. And you're just paying for -- at the time, before they were acquired by Salesforce, and even still, I think it's all just AWS. If you th... |
**Autumn Nash:** You're basically paying for a level of abstraction, I guess... |
**David Beale:** Yeah. But you get CI/CD pipelines, and monitoring, and all that sort of stuff for free. So it does make a lot of sense. But yeah, and it sucks, because I wish that I had like an awesome three, four-year stint on my resume. It would really make interviewing a lot less awkward. But I am glad that I had t... |
**Autumn Nash:** Super-true. Is there anything you miss about COBOL? |
**David Beale:** No. |
**Autumn Nash:** That was the quickest no ever. |
**Justin Garrison:** The one thing in that sequence that wasn't the same, is COBOL... |
**David Beale:** My favorite programming language syntax ever is Ruby, just because I've written so much of it. But I think Go is probably the perfect language. So that's kind of what I reach for these days. And it has some procedural kind of elements to it. It's not object-oriented, it's not functional. It's kind of i... |
**Autumn Nash:** All the &'s in Ruby drive me nuts. I'm just like "This is what brackets are for." |
**David Beale:** \[36:11\] But you don't have to use any parentheses. You can just declare a function, and it's just there, you know? |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, I think I like the structure. I think that's what happens when you learn Java first. It's just like, what you got used to - not necessarily what's better. You know how you said COBOL you learn first, and then you liked Go, because they're their own thing? I think sometimes it's just what you're u... |
**Justin Garrison:** And some of us just stick with Bash. So it's fine. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, gosh... Every time you say that, the PTSD just like hits me. |
**David Beale:** I like Bash. |
**Justin Garrison:** What other patterns have you seen over time, of 20-year careers, a bunch of startups, a bunch of different infrastructure? Obviously, the languages are almost all the same, in like the management and maintenance of them. It's like "Oh, what's the gem in Go?" "Okay, it's this other thing." Like, you... |
**David Beale:** You know, I think that runtime has always just been the Achilles heel of delivering software. Different programming languages or different operating systems handle that differently. Containerization, obviously, has been the biggest development in my career... I think I really got into DevOps around the... |
I feel like we're getting further away from the metal, and we still kind of are, but maybe getting a little closer back to it as well. DHH, the founder of Rails - all of his company is back on bare metal. I'm seeing companies go back to bare metal. It's happening. It's just cheap. And depending on what you're doing, yo... |
**Justin Garrison:** No. |
**David Beale:** But now are running blockchains on AI? Are we building blockchains with AI? Yes, we are. And I think the convergence of those two technologies is pretty brilliant, and I'm excited to see what happens with it. But there's nothing that I'm just like "Yes, this is what's driving technology right now." We'... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's what I'm -- and just like, we were just talking about how hot it's been, and the fires, and I'm like "Yeah, let's make heat even worse." You know what I mean? I love the inventions of new technologies, and I am excited... I definitely use AI to be more efficient, and I think blockchain has its p... |
**David Beale:** I think so. |
**Justin Garrison:** But let's be honest, in the early two thousands, did we know what we were doing? We were lost in a different way. |
**David Beale:** It's true. |
**Autumn Nash:** I don't know, this feels weird though. |
**Justin Garrison:** It feels more greedy to me. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. |
**Justin Garrison:** The lostness is like "Oh, I don't know what I'm doing, but also, we have to make a lot of money." And back then it was like "I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm happy learning it." |
**David Beale:** \[40:11\] Yeah. Well, and here's the thing... And I'm trying to be a less judgmental person and a less cynical person in general, so this is probably not in the right direction, but... The people that are attracted to technology today as a career path are very different than those who were attracted to... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's so real though. |
**David Beale:** Yeah. I met a lot of those people in my time in New York. And no shade on finance. There's a lot of people whose personality works really well for that, their intensity, their drive towards excellence and communication, and really just showing people that "I can work for a really long time doing things... |
**Autumn Nash:** Tell me something, since you guys have been in tech longer than me... Was the interview process always this bad? Because I feel like the interview process right now is very gatekeeping, and it stops the creative kids, the kids that just love tech. A lot of jobs that we've seen on this podcast, people's... |
**David Beale:** For me, I think it has gotten both better and worse. I don't remember the last time that anyone asked me to use like Big O notation in an interview... And that's a positive. |
**Autumn Nash:** See, that's everywhere though. |
**David Beale:** Really? |
**Justin Garrison:** I think that's a big tech thing. I don't think that's a -- |
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