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[3964.00 --> 3968.82] one you know with our persistence layer jet stream the intention was never to say we're going to go
[3968.82 --> 3974.90] after kafka but because of how we layered the persistence on top of this really nice pub sub
[3974.90 --> 3979.84] coronats foundation and then we promoted it and we say hey now we have the same you know same
[3979.84 --> 3985.68] semantic same paradigm with these new primitives that introduce persistence in in terms of streams and
[3985.68 --> 3992.08] consumers the floodgate just opened and everyone was frankly coming to us and wanting to simplify
[3992.08 --> 3997.56] their architecture reduce costs operational costs get all these other advantages that nats has to
[3997.56 --> 4002.86] offer that kafka does not whatsoever or any of the other similar offerings out there and you get all
[4002.86 --> 4006.80] these other advantages that nats has to offer so there's someone out there listening to this right
[4006.80 --> 4013.06] now they're the kafka cluster admin the the person in charge of this cluster going down or not
[4013.06 --> 4018.72] they manage the team they feel the pain all the things give a prescription what should they do
[4018.72 --> 4024.66] what we always recommend is that you can go to the nats website download server look at the client and
[4024.66 --> 4030.88] model a stream there's some guides on on doing that we also have sanadia provided a basically a
[4030.88 --> 4037.14] packet of resources to inform people because we get again so many about requests about how do you
[4037.14 --> 4042.10] compare nats and kafka and we're like let's actually just put a thing together that can inform people
[4042.10 --> 4048.12] how to compare and contrast them so we have a link on the website that we can we can share and you can
[4048.12 --> 4053.56] basically go get those set of resources this includes a very like lengthy white paper from an
[4053.56 --> 4059.22] outside consultant that did performance benchmarks and stuff like that and discuss basically the yeah
[4059.22 --> 4064.92] the different trade-offs that are that are made and they also do a total cost of ownership assessment
[4064.92 --> 4071.76] between people who are organizations running kafka versus running nats for comparable workloads well there
[4071.76 --> 4076.80] you go you have a prescription check for a link in the show notes to those resources yesterday's tech
[4076.80 --> 4083.24] is not cutting it nats powered by the global multi-cloud multi-geo an extensible service that is fully
[4083.24 --> 4091.86] managed by sanadia it's the way of the future learn more at sanadia.com slash changelog that's s-y-n-a-d-i-a
[4091.86 --> 4107.14] dot com slash changelog all right i thought that was a great interview with chris thank you so much
[4107.14 --> 4111.88] for coming on the show and telling us all about openness to stuff scorecards for today's outro of
[4111.88 --> 4117.86] ship it i've been making new outro segments every time and i went into a rabbit hole last week of
[4117.86 --> 4123.72] of how things got named i just want you to know that i love your rabbit holes and like when you
[4123.72 --> 4129.20] get excited about stuff it makes me so happy well like i started reading a blog post and then i read
[4129.20 --> 4133.70] comments and then i started on wikipedia and i went on more wikipedia links than i have in a long time
[4133.70 --> 4138.94] like that wikipedia hole was deep and this is why we're the best like adhd friends like
[4138.94 --> 4145.12] so at some point i just started writing notes and i'm like okay what does this mean and then i'm like
[4145.12 --> 4148.98] okay this is a game we're gonna play a game autumn and you're gonna be the contestant because i have
[4148.98 --> 4156.26] all the answers oh i'm so excited and this game is called person place thing or null and we are
[4156.26 --> 4161.36] going to talk about different technologies and you can decide came up with a cool name too like i'm so
[4161.36 --> 4167.26] proud of you you have to decide if this technology was named after a person place thing or just made
[4167.26 --> 4171.64] up it wasn't any of those things or it was like a another word or term or something like that like
[4171.64 --> 4176.72] null's like i'm gonna suck at this game but like i'm here for it it's fun so let's talk about like
[4176.72 --> 4182.60] just for an example like linux linux the operating system that was named after linus torvalds right
[4182.60 --> 4188.14] like he he created it and and he he named it do you know where the name of git comes from
[4188.14 --> 4194.70] no it also comes from linus he created it and it means like a stupid person in british like a slang
[4194.70 --> 4200.28] for like an idiot shut up and he said he named it after himself and so linus also created gets and then
[4200.28 --> 4205.40] said he named it for himself so the name git comes from him for maybe for himself so that's it's kind
[4205.40 --> 4209.20] of do you think he really named it after himself or do you think he was like low-key thrown shade
[4209.20 --> 4214.76] like whatever whatever the case may be he claims that he named it after himself and that's a fun
[4214.76 --> 4218.86] little tidbit there for people so where does something like the name kubernetes come from
[4218.86 --> 4225.72] i don't know i'm terrible at kubernetes you want to guess person place thing or no no i guess it
[4225.72 --> 4231.08] would be a thing but it's greek for helmsman oh i love that i love when they name like services
[4231.08 --> 4236.84] after oh would that make sense because a little wheel that's so cute now you get the logo there
[4236.84 --> 4242.86] you go that's adorable and as the interesting tidbit as well about kubernetes and the wheel
[4242.86 --> 4248.02] the wheel has seven points on it because the project name inside of google was seven of nine
[4248.02 --> 4254.08] because they were a big star trek now borg is their internal system see this is why you have to
[4254.08 --> 4258.48] teach me about star trek and freaking star wars because like i miss all this stuff
[4258.48 --> 4263.52] so that's a fun little tidbit of like why the wheel is is the way it is and it also is like it's
[4263.52 --> 4268.80] really hard to find a wheel that has seven points because they're like ridiculous to make so why do i
[4268.80 --> 4276.00] feel like you probably tried to find one of these as a prop somewhere maybe maybe uh let's go to let's
[4276.00 --> 4281.84] go something that you might be a little more familiar with uh my sequel person place thing or null
[4281.84 --> 4290.44] place place or no like thing it's a person the person's name is my wind dennis uh who created it
[4290.44 --> 4295.78] or at least named it and so they actually named it my sequel like their name sequel and my is actually
[4295.78 --> 4301.82] their first i was thinking sequel would be something not the like mine so that's cool i know and that was
[4301.82 --> 4306.54] the first time i was just like i had no idea and this is cool and so that's where i started down this
[4306.54 --> 4310.34] route and so uh here's what we were talking about before the show recording venn diagram
[4310.34 --> 4315.88] person place thing or null i still like i really want you to make like a venn diagram of nerds
[4315.88 --> 4322.38] because like i felt like that could be a whole show but like okay i feel like it was named after
[4322.38 --> 4328.80] a person it was john venn john venn is the person that a venn diagram is the person who created venn
[4328.80 --> 4333.72] diagrams this is i didn't i didn't get all the links out of it i've just wrote down okay but also
[4333.72 --> 4337.58] like do you just wonder like how he was sitting there thinking about venn diagrams one day
[4337.58 --> 4343.20] i wonder what yeah what train of thought let him down that path how about a trojan horse isn't
[4343.20 --> 4348.10] trojan named after the city that did it exactly it's a place yes it's named after troy where where
[4348.10 --> 4353.88] it happened so a trojan horse as a as a virus or something in your system is named after troy as the
[4353.88 --> 4364.28] as the city uh how about bluetooth thing maybe it's a person really harold bluetooth was a king of
[4364.28 --> 4371.50] denmark okay there's some like people with some very like interesting names yes it turns out names
[4371.50 --> 4377.16] are very interesting um what about neon let's just say person because i don't think it's person
[4377.16 --> 4384.96] it was from the greek uh word for new we are a bunch of nerds in tech huh i love greek like mythology
[4384.96 --> 4389.96] and like greek all of that so like every time there's like a random service named after it makes me so
[4389.96 --> 4395.14] excited i'm gonna do a couple more these are fun and like i have such a big list right now okay wait
[4395.14 --> 4406.84] this one surprised me person place thing or null algorithms person yes al quarism quarism me i i'm
[4406.84 --> 4411.76] sorry the name is i cannot i'm just too white but he was a persian mathematician
[4411.76 --> 4419.98] he was a i'm trying i literally was like at my i was reading it like over and over again in my
[4419.98 --> 4423.92] head like i'm gonna pronounce it right now i can read things in my head until like it's time for me
[4423.92 --> 4430.52] to actually say it out loud and then i'm like oh my yeah he was a persian mathematician so he created
[4430.52 --> 4437.56] he actually out uh algebra was also named for him uh but algorithms he had a couple notoriety like big
[4437.56 --> 4442.26] books about math uh from from a long long time ago and so algorithms are named after it's interesting
[4442.26 --> 4446.92] because i always wondered if algo was like you know how they like biology and then i ology and then
[4446.92 --> 4453.44] they're like the science of i always wondered if there was like a abbreviation but what would you
[4453.44 --> 4459.96] call it like sort of like algo meant like something like scientific or mathematic oh yeah all right let's
[4459.96 --> 4466.82] do two more hadoop person place thing or null hadoop person a thing
[4466.82 --> 4475.24] it was named after the inventors uh one of his kids had a toy a toy elephant that was named hadoop
[4475.24 --> 4482.66] and and that's it was his name and so he named this that's adorable thing after uh after his kid's
[4482.66 --> 4492.00] elephant toy oh that's cute okay last one debian debian the linux distro thing person but actually two
[4492.00 --> 4500.48] people people named deb and ian oh that's cool so they have debian and a fun fact about debian is
[4500.48 --> 4508.80] all of their releases are named after toy story characters and so you have um yes so if you ever
[4508.80 --> 4514.80] use jesse or all of these all of their all their normal releases are named after characters and then um
[4514.80 --> 4518.44] do you ever hear something about someone you're just like i'd totally be their friend like
[4518.44 --> 4525.10] yes we are immediate friends i don't know you but we are friends the the rolling the unstable
[4525.10 --> 4530.72] release of debian is called sid for the neighbor that blows up toys and uh oh my god okay tell me
[4530.72 --> 4536.52] how my kids could watch nightmare before christmas and every creepy like you know like disney show but
[4536.52 --> 4542.08] like sid was where they drew the line they were like this dude no like it took them years to watch
[4542.08 --> 4546.02] like toy story and i'm like that's not even a scary show and he's like did you see what they did
[4546.02 --> 4554.08] to the dog if you if you watch it now the animation was so crude that it actually like looks a little
[4554.08 --> 4559.12] more scary to me where i was like oh my gosh like it's not it's like uncanny valley sort of scary because
[4559.12 --> 4563.76] we look at what animation is now we're just like oh like that that dog doesn't have fur it's like a