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**Justin Garrison:** But what's the heads up for that? Is that like you have 10 orbits, and then you're done? Or is this like "Hey, 90 minutes"? |
**Autumn Nash:** How long does it take to move a space station? Like, this is wild... |
**Andrew Guenther:** I don't know the answer on a space station, but for ours, it was just this like tense hour and a half, because we get that telemetry down, and then it's like "Alright, this is the orbit." And so we're sitting there, waiting, and -- |
**Autumn Nash:** Hope Starlink moves... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah. And then like 90 minutes later, we get that ping, and we're like "Ah, thank God..." |
**Justin Garrison:** I could just imagine you're like wiggling the camera, trying to focus back and forth to get out of the way... "Maybe we can move something." |
**Autumn Nash:** That goes back to like -- it is the lower cap of like $5 million, but still, that would really suck if somebody just runs into your $5 million space satellite... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah. Just game over, right? |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah, the work that you -- I mean, I can't imagine how much work it takes to get them into space, and then like the cost, and then someone just runs into it really quick. "My bad..." |
**Andrew Guenther:** Especially for us, when it's like one of three. That's a 33% reduction in our total capacity, which is like super-meaningful to the business. Each of these satellites matters for us. I do have -- in terms of the bullies in space, I do have one other very funny anecdote... Because I have beef with t... |
**Justin Garrison:** Hold on... \[laughs\] |
**Autumn Nash:** Wow. That is a powerful person to beef with... Like, I'm here for it. |
**Andrew Guenther:** The Vatican has a space program, fun fact. |
**Autumn Nash:** What?! Okay... |
**Andrew Guenther:** The Vatican has a space program... You can read all about it. It's called SPEI Satellites, funny enough... But it's SPEI. It's Italian, cut them some slack... But the humor of it is not lost on me. So they actually launched with -- the launched on the same rocket as one of ours... And so one of the... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[48:08\] Do they give you Santa's number when you call though? |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah, yeah, that's the first thing. It's press one for Santa, press two to claim your satellite... \[laughter\] |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes...! |
**Justin Garrison:** But every time the call options have changed... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah, yeah, call options are changed. Press one for Santa, two for satellites. So when we launched, the Vatican called NORAD and claimed our satellite, incorrectly. |
**Autumn Nash:** You got scalped by the Vatican? |
**Andrew Guenther:** We got scalped by the Pope, man. We got scalped by the Pope. It's greatest meme of all time internally. |
**Autumn Nash:** Dude... When you're like a great-grandpa, you should be like "This one time I worked in space, and then the Pope tried to steal my satellite..." Think about baller work stories... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Coming from the outside, the conversation I had with our main space systems guy of like "How do we get our satellite back from the Vatican?" He's like "It's just a naming thing. It's not a big deal." I was like "No, tell me it's a big deal. I want to believe this is a huge deal." |
**Autumn Nash:** You just wanted to start a fight with the Pope, didn't you? You were like "Send me to Italy. We will have this out." |
**Andrew Guenther:** A hundred percent, yeah. We got beef. |
**Justin Garrison:** So your satellite is forever -- NORAD always thinks your satellite is now...? |
**Andrew Guenther:** No. So we managed to correct this clerical error, and we've properly identified... Yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** Clerical, that was good. That was a pun. \[laughter\] |
**Andrew Guenther:** I just -- I'm far enough into dadville that they just roll out, and I don't even think about it anymore... |
**Autumn Nash:** I was gonna say, are you a dad, Andrew? |
**Andrew Guenther:** I am. |
**Autumn Nash:** Dude, can we talk? Like, I went to talk at my kid's school, and they're like "Oh, cool. You're an engineer." But like, Andrew wins every time. My kids are like "Oh, you build Java", and the only thing I can say is that Java builds Minecraft. That's the only cool thing. Like, my kids don't care if I bui... |
**Andrew Guenther:** I do it appreciate that I have a job that my kid kind of gets. I can be like "Satellites", and she's like "Yes. Space. Understood." |
**Autumn Nash:** Like, rockets... Space... That's a whole childhood -- you know how they get into dinosaurs, they get into... Space is like a whole thing. That's like a chapter in childhood. |
**Andrew Guenther:** But then she brings home pinkeye, and I'm like, "Come on, man..." |
**Autumn Nash:** Dude, my kids brought home Hand-foot-and-mouth \[unintelligible 00:50:22.18\] |
**Andrew Guenther:** I'm currently on drops for pinkeye, and it's just the worst... |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, my God... Why do they always get us sick? They're just like "Oh, we love you so much, and we're so cute." |
**Andrew Guenther:** Please don't include this in the outro... I just imagined this episode is gonna end with this conversation on pinkeye... |
**Autumn Nash:** Dude... Have you seen the meme where the alien is breathing in the lady's face, and it says "When your kid's sick...", and they're like "I love you!" and you're like \[unintelligible 00:50:49.14\] Okay, wait, before we leave - what's the craziest thing you've had to fix in space? |
**Andrew Guenther:** Oh, this is a great one. So the craziest thing... So I mentioned these radios, that we have multiple radios on board, right? We have this super-high bandwidth one, and it's one way. And that's where that one and a half terabytes down comes from. We have this kind of like satellite to satellite, we ... |
**Justin Garrison:** SSH. |
**Andrew Guenther:** Yeah, that's where all the SSH magic happens. And effectively, the way this is all supposed to work is imagine like TCP, where your packets come down over this fast one, and then we send the x back up the slower connection. And we could not connect over that slower connection when we first launched... |
**Autumn Nash:** A lot of pressure. |
**Andrew Guenther:** \[52:09\] Yeah, as quickly as possible get these things down. So we ended up putting up this patch to basically ignore the x, and we ditched the file transfer client entirely on the ground, and we just started running packet captures. We just ran TCP dump on this thing, and just started to like bui... |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, my gosh... |
**Andrew Guenther:** So it was the most infuriating thing to watch, because it's also this long tail... Like, we couldn't tell -- we didn't have the control to tell a satellite "Oh, we only need these five remaining packets." It would just blast down the whole thing, so you would get like 50% on one pass, then on the n... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, PCAP file, read it in and parse the data... |
**Andrew Guenther:** Just spinnin' those PCAPS, yeah. Spinning those PCAPs. So DJPCAP was just trying as hard as it could to assemble from these TCP dumps, and that's how we got our first imagery. This issue has since been resolved, but the first imagery from our satellites was basically rebuilt through this crazy kind... |
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