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• Sharing of interview recordings from Scale conference, including questions about favorite open source software and passing down knowledge to future generations |
• The hosts discuss their positive experiences at the Scale conference, including the quality of talks and the community. |
• Autumn Nash mentions finding people with similar interests and hair color, and feeling a sense of belonging. |
• The hosts praise the conference for being inclusive and welcoming to families, particularly children and entrepreneurs. |
• Jeremy Price is interviewed, discussing his work on Snipe IT and sharing his favorite open source software (Ansible) and least favorite command (Terraform apply). |
• The hosts encourage listeners to attend Scale and experience its community and learning opportunities. |
• Elizabeth K. Joseph works on Linux on mainframes and uses WordPress as her favorite open source software |
• Jeremy Price's boss jokingly calls people who only know PHP "employed" |
• Gareth Greenaway is co-founder of Scale conference and responsible for the Salt Project, citing Linux as his favorite open source software |
• Noel Miller manages Universal Blue Project, a custom-based images project on Fedora Atomic, and uses sed as his least favorite command |
• Rit Li has been doing consulting work for 10-15 years, helping start-ups with technology, and is now also involved in managing his four-year-old son's Minecraft servers |
• Rit Li's soul-searching experience after his son's comment led him to work on a personal project he'll share with his son. |
• Favorite open source software discussed: SQLite, Lua, and Kubernetes. |
• Least favorite command mentioned: SQLite, Lua (jokingly), and sed. |
• Pass downs to future generations: be flexible and open-minded, have people skills in addition to tech skills. |
**Justin Garrison:** Hello, and welcome to Ship It, the podcast all about running and maintaining software, anything that happens after you git push something. I am your host, Justin Garrison, and with me as always is Autumn Nash. How's it going, Autumn? |
**Autumn Nash:** Hi. How are you? |
**Justin Garrison:** I am doing great. I'm rested, finally, after Scale. It was last week and weekends, and it was busy. There was lots of stuff going on. |
**Autumn Nash:** It was crazy. But it was so much fun. |
**Justin Garrison:** Absolutely. And this was your first time coming to... And for anyone that -- sorry, I should start with the full actual conference side. It was Southern California Linux Expo. It was started as a Linux-focused conference and a meet up for people doing Linux and doing installs of Linux, and it has e... |
**Autumn Nash:** Someone said it was nerd summer camp, and that was the most accurate description. I've never enjoyed a conference so much, because people were all genuinely excited, and excited to share information on what they knew, you know, in the most accessible, non-gatekeeping way. I thought it was just an aweso... |
**Justin Garrison:** It is very different vibes than most other conferences that are vendor-backed, or they're a specific topic. And so it's "Hey, there are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars for these other conferences, and this is just setting the stage for everyone that's coming need to close a de... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's so accessible. And the fact that you can bring your kids... Usually, as a mom in tech, especially a single mom, I have to -- I don't know, I wouldn't say hide that part of you, but you have to separate that part of you... And I thought it was so cool that it was kid-friendly, and people were bring... |
**Justin Garrison:** Especially on Saturday, because there's a family game night on Saturday night, and so it's a big -- they have arcades, they have all sorts of different things that families can do together. They have board games, all sorts of stuff. And it's encouraged on, especially Saturday, to bring your kids. T... |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, I felt for a lot of kids who are not super-well off -- I grew up totally not exposed to these things as a child... And I felt like that is such a cool way to expose your children to this world of -- kids love a lot of the things that technology builds, and to expose them to how it gets built and ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And for a lot of people, a conference is the time that their mom or dad is gone. It's the time that they don't get to spend -- like "Oh, you're going to a conference, you're traveling", whatever. Those things are really sad, because it's like "I don't get to see you for a day or two." And in ... |
**Autumn Nash:** But it's awesome, though. Usually, people are like "Oh, you're a mom", and nobody else is a mom. And everyone doesn't have kids, usually, at tech conferences. Or maybe a few guys will have kids. But usually, they are married, and their kids stay at home, and all that good stuff. But I saw women who are... |
**Justin Garrison:** It is a very common thing at Scale to just like "Oh, this talk has a baby crying, and that's fine." |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. It was a conference that you could legitimately bring your whole self to Scale. And that is just rad. I loved it. I want to volunteer next year. I'm gonna just -- I want to do all that. My kids are planning their talks, and I'm like "Okay, if I can get your dad to keep you on Friday and Sunday, an... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. If anyone wants to get involved with Scale, go to SouthernCaliforniaLinuxExpo.org. There's a volunteer signup. We already are starting planning for next year. It just wrapped up last week. |
**Autumn Nash:** I want to help, Justin. |
**Justin Garrison:** But yeah, there's mailing lists that you can say hey, where can you help? And it's not just like you have to run the event. If you want to come and attend the event, that's fine, too. There's a bunch of stuff leading up to it, like call for papers... And even just promoting the event. Because this ... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[06:12\] Also, I've never seen so many women talks that are technical. So many great talks. There were just so many smart women. And it was like 40% or 50% women, it looked like, on the feature page. It was so cool. |
**Justin Garrison:** Well, and speaking of which, Autumn, you were one of those amazing technical talks. So let's dive into your talk at Scale, as this was your first conference presentation, or public conference, or... |
**Autumn Nash:** I've done Apache World Party, and SheBuilds, and some other stuff... But I think this was my longest in-person talk, because a lot of my first talks were during COVID. And then I did some panels that were in-person... But as far as like an hour to fill, and... |
**Justin Garrison:** It's you and a slide deck. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. |
**Justin Garrison:** How'd it go? |
**Autumn Nash:** Everybody was so supportive. Usually, it's scary to give a tech talk, because people try to argue with you halfway through, or argue with you statistics... And everybody was so supportive. Also, Justin came with a rubber chicken, and it made me less nervous. Best friend ever. |
**Justin Garrison:** Anything to lower that -- make it a little more fun, a little more just like "Oh, we're hanging out", and everyone in the room is there to learn from you. |
**Autumn Nash:** They were so nice. And I met so many awesome people, and I got such good feedback... And I thought that was really cool. |
**Justin Garrison:** I remember before you gave your talk, you're like "Afterwards, we're going to run over to this other talk", because - I forget her name. She was giving a talk about podcasts. |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm so sorry we missed it. |
**Justin Garrison:** And I was like "Autumn, you're not gonna be able to leave the room. People are gonna be talking to you for at least a half hour." |
**Autumn Nash:** I didn't think anybody was gonna want to talk to me. |
**Justin Garrison:** And sure enough -- I left, because you were just like "I have a crowd of people around me. They all have questions." I'm like "You will be good. You handle this, and I'm gonna go..." |
**Autumn Nash:** Did you get to see the podcast talk? |
**Justin Garrison:** No, I did not. |
**Autumn Nash:** Darn it. |
**Justin Garrison:** Because I was volunteering, because I was doing other things with -- Kubernetes Community Day was also collocated with scale, and I helped run KCD LA, so I was doing stuff for that the days before, and trying to kind of catch up on some things throughout the conference. |
**Autumn Nash:** I really love the Kubernetes community. I've never seen so many people that had color-coordinated \[unintelligible 00:08:07.16\] They were just awesome. I might have to go run Kubernetes somewhere, just because. |
**Justin Garrison:** We will get you into the Kubernetes community at some point. The gravity around it is fun. |
**Autumn Nash:** I know...! |
**Justin Garrison:** I've stayed in the Kubernetes community mainly for the community for the longest time. |
**Autumn Nash:** The people are just amazing. |
**Justin Garrison:** I mean, this is huge shout-outs to people early on in the community, like Sarah Novotny, and people that were building community intentionally from being like "We need to document stuff", and... |
**Autumn Nash:** But that's what I'm saying. Even if you have nothing to do with Linux, if you have nothing to do with Kubernetes, if you want to learn how to make your community better in whatever technology you work in, go to Scale, because that's the epitome of how to grow actual community. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. So our links for this week in the show notes are Autumn's talk and my talk. Mine was at KCD LA, Autumn's was at the main portion of Scale... And if you want to see what the talks are like, they're sometimes very relaxed, sometimes very eclectic with some of the titles and things that happen, ... |
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