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**Autumn Nash:** Scale also taught me how to teach a technical concept, but in a fun way. I thought it was so cool how they had Game of Thrones, and Dungeons and Dragons-themed infrastructure talks, which I thought were so cool of a way to say "Hey, you know this thing. Now let me teach you something technical using th... |
**Justin Garrison:** We learned a lot of things from what we've known before, right? It's like, everything you learn is building on something you've known. So if you know how Dungeons and Dragons work, and if you know how -- I come from doing cars. I always use car analogies, because I'm like "I know how car engine wor... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[10:12\] Yeah. For sure. |
**Justin Garrison:** And that is the thing; we just take it for granted, because like "Oh, well, it's just a car. I have a steering wheel and pedals." Like, yeah, because that's your interface. And so yeah, as people build out their own ecosystem of understanding, and try to understand more things, it's like "Hey, let'... |
**Autumn Nash:** That's my favorite way to teach, with analogies, and with something physical or real world to somebody... Or even if it's a movie, or just something that people -- to help give them better context into something that's abstract or technical, that they may have never encountered before. Because it makes... |
**Justin Garrison:** My first KubeCon talk I was on stage, and I was literally -- I had balloons, and I was showing people how balloons were like pods. And we built a Kubernetes cluster with some people, some volunteers, and a spreadsheet, and some balloons. And that was my first talk. It was just like "This is how thi... |
**Autumn Nash:** I do really love the way that you find physical ways to explain Kubernetes... |
**Justin Garrison:** It's the only way I understand them, so it's the only way I know how to teach it. |
**Autumn Nash:** That's how I understand things. A lot of times I'll ask questions, and I'll be like "So it's like this", and people are like "Kinda, yeah." And I'm just like "I have to relate it to something else." I love the one that you did with the water, and you're explaining containers. I thought that was cool. |
**Justin Garrison:** Oh, the autoscaling, sure. Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** I need that physical realm to really understand something and grasp it. |
**Justin Garrison:** For the interview this week, for the main show, we actually went through at Scale and we were interviewing people that were in the hallways. So we were finding people that were just around and we'd say "Hey, what do you do?" for the people that approached us. And a couple people said they listen to... |
**Autumn Nash:** I thought that was really cool. My favorite one was the last question. |
**Justin Garrison:** \[unintelligible 00:12:34.03\] We got you a little serious and deep. |
**Autumn Nash:** It was so sweet. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, especially with kids around. We were doing this interview, and there was literally like Junior High and high school... I mean, there was a high school robotics team. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh my God, the robotics team gave me hope. I was all teary-eyed. I was like, "Oh, they're so cute." |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. So we will cut to those interviews and see you afterwards. |
**Break:** \[12:57\] |
**Justin Garrison:** Hello and welcome to Southern California Linux Expo, also known as Scale. This is the first time Autumn and I have met in-person, and Autumn's first time coming to Scale. What do you think of the conference? |
**Autumn Nash:** Best conference ever. |
**Justin Garrison:** \[unintelligible 00:15:50.21\] What has been the part that's the best? |
**Autumn Nash:** The people. The people are so nice. And all the talks are really good, but they're not just smart people trying to be smart. Like, they're real life applications. And I've never seen so many people so skilled in technology talk about people skills and how to bridge that with technology. |
**Justin Garrison:** And talking about people, we actually have interviews to talk to people throughout this episode of Ship It, on what they do, and a few standard questions that we just wanted to get their opinions on. So that's what we did for this week's interview, and hope you like it. |
**Autumn Nash:** I've also found several people that hair-match my hair, and we're color-coordinated. It's great. |
**Justin Garrison:** Always finding your people. |
**Autumn Nash:** This is like conference of my people. Everybody's so cool. Highly recommend Scale. It's awesome. |
**Justin Garrison:** I'm trying to even think how to -- it happens every year, it's in Pasadena... What about the weather? |
**Autumn Nash:** Someone described it as spring break camp for nerds, and that is the most legit -- like, you can tell when everyone's eyes light up about something cool that they really are passionate about... It's awesome. Everyone's so excited about whatever open source technology they work in, and just seeing every... |
**Justin Garrison:** I feel like the spring break is really true with -- today is the last day of Scale, and everyone's like "I don't want to leave." |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm super-sad. Usually, conferences are like a lot of peopling. Like, it's fun, but then at the end you're like "Okay, it's been real. I'm going home." |
**Justin Garrison:** "I do just want to sit on the couch and watch some TV", yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. And I'm legitimately sad. I'm just like "Oh, my people..." I'm just like "How many things can I volunteer for next year?" I need to start writing talks. My kids are at home, planning talks with Raspberry Pi's for next year. |
**Justin Garrison:** That's good. Yeah, because there's a kids' track. |
**Autumn Nash:** I mean, I said I was gonna bring them, but now I'm like "I don't know..." Like, you'll make me have to go home really... |
**Justin Garrison:** There are lots of kids' events, and the game night... |
**Autumn Nash:** Can we talk about how cute that is, and how inclusive that is, to have so many kids -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Did you make it to the game night? |
**Autumn Nash:** I didn't make it to the game night. But did you see the girls' robotics teams that were going around? It's just, for one -- usually, it's harder to bring your whole self as a mom in tech... And the fact that there's so many kids and families... I've met entrepreneurs that are doing startups with their ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. No, I had multiple talks with babies that were starting to cry, and moms and dads \[unintelligible 00:18:16.24\] This is life. This is how this works. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes! That is a breath of fresh air, when you've been told for forever that you can't be a mom and be an engineer, and all kinds of stuff... And then you see these people, and everybody is bringing their families and their whole selves, and they're all different kinds of people, and they're all working ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yes. And kids like swag, too. \[laughs\] |
**Autumn Nash:** My kids want those Fedora stickers that you have. They're like "Bring me the dinosaurs!" And I'm like "You can't have mine. I'll ask Justin if he has more." |
**Justin Garrison:** "Get your own. Make your talk. Work on your Raspberry Pi, you'll get your own Fedora stickers." |
**Autumn Nash:** They're over there like "Okay, we're gonna build this." And I'm looking at this robotic thing and I was like "Please don't buy anything else on Amazon." They're gonna be ordering stuff \[unintelligible 00:19:03.07\] |
**Justin Garrison:** And as someone who - my son gave his first conference talk last year about running a YouTube channel. And it was absolutely fantastic, because -- |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm a little scared... I'm really excited for our kids to meet each other, but I'm just a tiny bit frightened. They're gonna gang up on us, Justin. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, they probably will. And I know his talk was way better than my ever first talk, because he had a room packed full of adults and kids... |
**Autumn Nash:** No way. |
**Justin Garrison:** They're ready to learn how to create YouTube channels, because they need -- some people need to do it for their jobs... |
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