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**Justin Garrison:** \[07:59\] It's not company-sponsored, it's not \[unintelligible 00:08:00.03\] |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. The talks are so good. I was sitting there and people were walking around with their babies, and I was like "This is awesome." I met women founders with their babies in their hands, and I was like "This is my people. I love it." |
**Justin Garrison:** So that's enough selling of things that we're talking about. This conversation, Pete Naylor's on the show. And Pete, you're a product manager at EnterpriseDB. We've been looking forward to this. I've been looking for this for a while. This is the first time we met. I know we rescheduled this show o... |
**Autumn Nash:** Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Pete is one of my favorite people that I've met in my entire career. This man was like -- okay, when you get thrown into being a specialist SA, and everyone else has been doing stuff since like before you were born... He was like the nicest, kindest person, but he's also o... |
**Pete Naylor:** Oh, man. That's quite the introduction. Now, I think maybe people are getting the impression that I probably started in the computing industry in about 1873, I've been everywhere, kind of done everything... That sounds like one of those job descriptions where they want someone to have 20 years with Kub... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** I went to a job interview and they were like "We want you to have 20 years experience of Postgres, and then like this other database, and this", and I was like "Pete's the only person that has 20 years of experience." |
**Justin Garrison:** Like, I know the person \[unintelligible 00:09:56.23\] |
**Autumn Nash:** And it's not me. |
**Pete Naylor:** You can't see this, because I think this is just going to be an audio-only thing, but I have a lot of gray in my beard... And there wasn't so much of that before I started at Amazon, by the way. |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm taking pictures. We have to have a reunion of -- like, an SA reunion moment. But Pete also does the craziest outdoor stuff. He's like a wildlife rescue volunteer... You are a firefighter. What have you not done? |
**Pete Naylor:** Let's see... I never went hang gliding. That's on my my list. I really \[unintelligible 00:10:31.20\] |
**Autumn Nash:** How have not been hang gliding, because you -- look, I go outside, there are Pete's LinkedIn and Twitter pictures. They're always like -- |
**Pete Naylor:** I went to a surprise birthday party at this place that was on acreage, kind of a farm, in a barn once... And I was hanging out out there, drinking a beer, and these guys flew in on hang gliders and landed out in the field behind. And I went over to talk to them, and like they had -- I had no idea. I th... |
**Autumn Nash:** What?! You can do that? |
**Pete Naylor:** They had bicycles in their beards, and they'd been all through the cascades, and I was just like "Okay, I've got to do that." |
**Autumn Nash:** How have you not figured out how to do this by now? Because I feel like that is so up your alley. |
**Pete Naylor:** I might be a little bit scared, but... |
**Autumn Nash:** All the things that are too outsidey and give me anxiety, that's Pete's hobbies. |
**Justin Garrison:** So Pete, how did you get started in tech? What were you doing at the time, and what drove you into it? |
**Pete Naylor:** Yeah, so like I said, back in 1873... I was actually -- so I grew up in a little mining town in the middle of nowhere in, Australia... And I went off to Brisbane to go to university, and I ended up studying -- I had this opportunity to do a dual degree, because I had gone to Japan as an exchange studen... |
\[12:00\] So I went for it, and I really liked a lot of it, but I kind of didn't really like the university experience. It kind of felt like -- the whole time I was like "I want to get out there and actually have a career and make some money." Which - now I look back and I think "I should have kind of enjoyed that. Why... |
But while I was at university, we had these CAD/CAM systems that were on some microsystems boxes, and things like that. So I kind of started getting into computing already, and I like BBS'es, and getting this open source software, and stuff... But when I got to university and I got introduced to some of these Unix oper... |
And so it was things like Usenet News, and IRC, and email, and FTP to get software, and stuff like that... And very early days of the web. So it was like Netscape version 0.9, and we had all of the very old web servers... And it was a super-cool time, because it was like all of this information was out there and hadn't... |
So this is a long story, I know, but I -- |
**Justin Garrison:** You were still in Australia at the time, right? |
**Pete Naylor:** Still in Australia, still in Australia. |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't know how the Internet spread. I was not in technology at the time, and I came to it much later in life. How did that kind of spread across the world from what was \[unintelligible 00:13:48.13\] |
**Pete Naylor:** Like a virus. People got on planes and carried it with them, took it to other places... But yeah, I mean, at a university level it was ARPANET. There were all these connected universities around the world, that were exchanging information, and it kind of grew out of that... So it was a lot less commerc... |
And of course, I spent a lot of nights staying up very late, trying to figure out how to run Unix stuff, and learn this stuff... And I just reached this point where I was like "I don't know about this mechanical engineering thing." It seemed kind of cool at the time... "But I'm way too distracted and more interested in... |
**Autumn Nash:** That is so adorable. |
**Pete Naylor:** We exchanged emails for a while, and did the IRC thing, and chatted, and then I had a university break, like the summer break or whatever, and I decided "Well, I'm going to go there and meet this person, and hang out, and get to see the US." And in fact, she paid for my flight, which was a big part of ... |
So off I went, and I discovered that I kind of liked it a lot. And so I packed up my stuff, I went to the US, I stayed there, and I ended up starting a little business where I was providing dial-up internet service in this little tiny rural community. So I was building all of these services, and helping people get onli... |
\[16:22\] But yeah, so I stayed in the US and I just got more and more involved in that. All of the Internet stuff kind of consolidated. There was a lot of smaller companies, a lot of ISPs that were out there, and the big companies were kind of sucking all of that up... And I actually -- the company that we had our upl... |
**Autumn Nash:** So when you came to the US, did you come to Washington and you've been in Washington the whole time? |
**Pete Naylor:** Same place the whole time. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, that's cool. I didn't know you've been here the whole time. That's really cool. |
**Pete Naylor:** Yeah. Hardly moved around. I feel like that's pretty boring. I should mix it up a little bit. I've traveled across a fair bit of the US, and I love it, because there's a longer history here, and a lot of different culture. I feel like in Australia it's kind of like - you can leave Queensland and go to ... |
In the US you can travel, you can go to New Orleans, or some of these places, and there's so much variety. You don't have to go out overseas to really get a different experience. |
**Autumn Nash:** That is really cool. That's true. So where did firefighting come into all this? |
**Pete Naylor:** So at some point I was still doing all my regular full time stuff in IT, and technology, and I actually had a neighbor that he was into fishing, and diving, and all those kinds of things... And he talked me into going out, because I had my own little boat at the time. He saw me on the driveway and he w... |
So I was sitting on the boat... And the very first time, by the way, when you're the last person on the boat, everybody jumps in the water and there's just a few bubbles, and that's all you see for 40 minutes... It's really eerie. You're like "This is not natural. This can't work out well." But yeah, I did that. I got ... |
So he talked me into learning to dive, and getting involved there... And then that led to being given a chance to become an EMT, and get the training for free... Once I got that EMT credential, I was kind of near the end of the course, and they were like "Wait a minute, you're not part of a fire department? You're neve... |
**Autumn Nash:** You have no regular hobbies. Like, your hobbies are all the most extreme. Do you just ever sit down, ever? |
**Pete Naylor:** I do. More and more I sit down. I take I take naps often now. It's back to the gray beard and starting out in 1873... Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** Though with the way that you do activities and work, I think you deserve the nap... |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't deserve my naps. It's true. |
**Autumn Nash:** \[20:20\] You take naps because you refuse to drink coffee. What is wrong with you? |
**Pete Naylor:** Yeah, I don't know what it is about me... I always feel like life is short. When I was a kid I actually lost an older sister, and I think maybe that's part of what makes me think you don't get that many chances... And I want to fit in like as much variety and meaningful things in my life. |
**Justin Garrison:** And somewhere along those life decisions you decided to do databases. |
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