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**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\]
**Cliff Biffle:** \[20:13\] You can't tell that on the computer.
**Jerod Santo:** That's true.
**Cliff Biffle:** Like Aaron... Aaron's like damn near seven feet tall, but he looks normal on the computer. So that's been interesting. Other than that, gosh... I don't think the company would work without this, honestly. I mean, how would you even -- it doesn't even feel like you're at a real company. It's like you'r...
**Jerod Santo:** Good point.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Like The Office.
**Cliff Biffle:** Like The Office, or Silicon Valley.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, gosh.
**Jerod Santo:** Ding!
**Adam Stacoviak:** Are you a fan?
**Cliff Biffle:** I worked there, so I couldn't really make it through the show... Like, my boss was personally a parody on the show.
**Jerod Santo:** "I worked there..."
**Cliff Biffle:** And he loved it.
**Jerod Santo:** Did he?
**Cliff Biffle:** Yeah. So Astro Teller at Google X was the inspiration for the Hooli X guy in the show... And he thought it was hilarious. He had a showing of the episode where --
**Adam Stacoviak:** With the monkey guy. The guy that --
**Cliff Biffle:** Yeah.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay. Gosh...
**Cliff Biffle:** So... He did have a monkey. The real guy.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, man... That was good.
**Cliff Biffle:** But yeah, so I was watching the show a little bit, and I'm like "Why are you making me watch this? This is my day job. I'm going to watch Game of Thrones, or something."
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, I can understand that. So you've never gotten past season one, or even one episode.
**Cliff Biffle:** No, I made it like three episodes in.
**Adam Stacoviak:** How about now? You feel better about it since you're free of that world?
**Cliff Biffle:** I'm good.
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're in a different world now?
**Cliff Biffle:** I'm good.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sadness...
**Jerod Santo:** He lived it.
**Cliff Biffle:** Yeah, I'm alright.
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was listening to Brian tell one of his stories and I was like "Oh my gosh, that was literally in the show." Something he described from the stage today, regarding money and funding... And I was like "That was literally copied from it." I mean, it's real life, but it's there. And so I can understan...
**Cliff Biffle:** Yeah.
**Adam Stacoviak:** For me it's entertainment because I haven't worked for Google, and I haven't done your life... For you, I can imagine how it's PTSD.
**Cliff Biffle:** Yeah. I also don't watch a lot of TV, so I'm kind of picky about what I spend my time on. But... Hopefully we don't do anything to get a show made about us.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Or you do, and it's good.
**Cliff Biffle:** That could happen. That could happen.
**Jerod Santo:** Like Severance.
**Cliff Biffle:** I just started watching that... That's a hell of a show.
**Jerod Santo:** That's worth your time.
**Adam Stacoviak:** One thing I've been thinking about is churn. Is there any churn here at all?
**Cliff Biffle:** We've had people leave... Yeah.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Without being, you know TMI, what are some of the reasons? Have they been negative, or has it just been just mutual separation...?
**Cliff Biffle:** I actually really like basically everybody who's left. For some people, this work environment doesn't work. Honestly, it barely works for me. Like, the all remote thing... I actually took this job because I turned down two other offers that were fully remote, because Oxide at the time wasn't...
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah.
**Cliff Biffle:** And this was in February 2020, so you can guess what happened next.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah.
**Cliff Biffle:** So... Oh well.
**Adam Stacoviak:** Literally next. The very next month, yeah.
**Cliff Biffle:** It's a good thing my doctors are great, but the whole remote thing doesn't work for some people. And sometimes you just can't ever really get in the swing of things.
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah.