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**Nathan Sobo:** ...that that's possible. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, it is cool. |
**Nathan Sobo:** Well, I mean, hey... I view our job is just to build a fabulous UI to what is ultimately not my creation; it's this crazy technology of an LLM. And the idea that "Hey, we're going to train a freaking massive neural network connected up a certain way on like trillions of freaking tokens, and then synthe... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sonnet 3.7, yeah. |
**Nathan Sobo:** And so I'm excited -- what I'm happy about though is... Yeah, just watching it from the course of 3.5 to 3.7 get better at using tools... Yeah, just that -- I mean, ultimately I want the user to have an amazing experience... And so ultimately, we have to figure out how to make it magical. But it really... |
**Jerod Santo:** Of course it is. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes, it is... |
**Jerod Santo:** It's like, why wouldn't you want to be in first class, you know? |
**Nathan Sobo:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Like, is it nice up here, first class? Yeah, of course it is. "Do you like that 120 frames per second...?" |
**Nathan Sobo:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** That's just why when I was like "These cool, new agentic things and they're all VS Code forks." It's like, I'm sorry, I just don't enjoy VS Code. That's just me personally. I feel like it's coach; that I'm flying coach. So that's just me giving Zed more props. |
**Nathan Sobo:** I appreciate that. |
**Jerod Santo:** But have you guys seen the -- I didn't bring up first class out of nowhere, because I was thinking about that Louis CK bit, with the guy on the airplane... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Oh, I love that one. |
**Jerod Santo:** Have you seen that bit, Nathan? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I love that bit, man. It's the best ever. |
**Nathan Sobo:** No. Tell me about it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Tell it, Jerod. Paraphrase it. |
**Jerod Santo:** I'll paraphrase it. It's on point because it's about how quickly we take things for granted. So basically, Louis CK is on an airplane, and there's a guy sitting next to him... And the lady comes over the loudspeaker, she's like "I'm sorry, the Wi-Fi will not be working on this flight", or something. An... |
**Nathan Sobo:** I think the things that I want to complain the loudest about are the things that I have the most responsibility for, and/or ability to have an impact on. And then I want to phrase that in a positive way. You can ask my team how effectively I do that. Sometimes better than others, I think... Because I t... |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, that's why it's so funny, because he feels entitled to something he had nothing to do with any of the technologies that came together. The amazing inventiveness of the human race in order to put him in the sky, flying, and then connect him to the internet, and he's just sitting there, doing nothi... |
**Nathan Sobo:** \[01:04:21.23\] Yeah, I still think about you guys telling me "How about doing 60 frames per second effects?" Or 120 frames per second. You know, just really fluid effects and things of that nature, that we still have yet to do some of those \[unintelligible 01:04:31.04\] |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, that's why I was getting at it from the other part. You're working on this AI stuff, you know... None of my sweet ideas are coming through yet, but... |
**Nathan Sobo:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** I also want to get support, so I'm just... I'm happy with Git support. |
**Nathan Sobo:** Good. |
**Jerod Santo:** I think eventually you'll get around to those really cool effects, and that's when you'll go \[unintelligible 01:04:46.29\] |
**Nathan Sobo:** And we added remoting. I don't know if you've used that, but like being able to, as a first class part of the product, SSH to a remote machine and have to Git support... |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh yeah, I haven't tried that yet. |
**Nathan Sobo:** It's a debugger that we're going into private beta with. It will also work over the remote connection. But it depends on what you're working on, I guess, whether that's relevant. Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, I haven't tried that out yet. I did see -- I do enjoy the weekly updates. Is it like Wednesdays, I think? Generally one time a week there's like one big push, and then a few will trickle out, as I see; obviously, feedback and bugs... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You're paying attention to these weekly updates, Jerod? |
**Jerod Santo:** Well, yeah, because there's a little button that says "Click to restart Zed and update it", bam. And then it's like you're on a new version, click a button, hit the release notes... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Might as well check it out. |
**Jerod Santo:** ...it takes you into a buffer, it tells you what's new... I mean, it's just fun. You're like "Oh, what's new?" |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "It's just fun." |
**Jerod Santo:** I mean, I'm giving the guy zero dollars, you know? Nathan, I've given you nothing. And every week you're like dropping goodies in my lap. You know what I'm saying? |
**Nathan Sobo:** No, you've given me a lot. You've given me a lot. I can't tell you the number of times that people reference the podcasts I've done with you guys over the years... |
**Jerod Santo:** That's cool. |
**Nathan Sobo:** So don't underestimate your impact. |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright. Well, thank you. |
**Nathan Sobo:** What should we talk about next? \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Good question. What are you thinking, Adam? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I'm just... I'm thinking, now that I've done this, and I see the workflow and the user experience... One, it's a really good user experience. So this is new, and -- |
**Nathan Sobo:** Thank you. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...I can't even tell it's new, because it feels so polished. And now, granted, my experiences with one YAML file, and changes and some branching, but I think that's pretty sophisticated to know, you know, if I've got uncommitted changes, even files that are not even committed to the repo, they're no... |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...it's really -- it's easy to read. It's easy to read. It's as if I'm sitting there with a buddy and they're telling me what change they've done. But I'm the director. It's a clear pairing, where I'm pairing with an LLM, clearly. And it's good. That's not what I was going to say, though. I just wan... |
**Nathan Sobo:** Thank you. |
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