text stringlengths 0 2.26k |
|---|
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[laughs\] Right? So I just always get excited... I'm sort of like a kid, in some ways. A new day, a fresh start, the new year... I don't only set goals at the beginning of the year, however at the end of each year I'm always looking ahead and I feel like this year even more so, with it be... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. When you're a planner, you can't help but goal-set, right? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. Are you familiar with \[unintelligible 00:02:41.23\] out of Stanford, with the marshmallow test? She did this study some years ago, and it was a longitudinal study around giving kids the option between having one marshmallow now, or two marshmallows later. And what she looked at was... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** So whenever we've talked about habits, and the importance of that payout of dopamine in the immediate sense - but I get excited over these itty-bitty wins that move me towards that long-range, two-marshmallow sort of goal. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Gotcha. I heard somebody say recently this three-year aspect - rather than starting something new, expecting success right away. It was more like "I'm doing this knowing that what I'm doing today will bring success three years from now." And I don't know if that's a one-to-one with that, but it's th... |
\[03:58\] If you want to play a song, you're reminded of a great, old song that you really love, what are you gonna do? You're probably gonna open your phone, pull up Spotify and go to Search, and it's probably gonna be there. You're gonna push play and be gratified with listening to it, and have all those memories, an... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, but then it makes it harder to stay in that pocket or that time under tension while you're working to cultivate that longer-range goal. But that's so much of life, and I think the longer that I live and the more experiences I have, the more I really become an advocate for invested in... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. That's an interesting perspective when it comes to process... Because process is sometimes hidden. You often have process, you're not even aware of it, which kind of dives into the three types of goals that we have, which is outcome, performance and process. Let's dive a little deeper into un... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Sure. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...and that's what I love about doing this show - we science the heck out of it, essentially, to use the words out of The Martian movie from Matt Damon... We sort of break it down into how things actually work, into components that make a greater meaning to something. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, exactly. And that's why I enjoy doing this too, because I continue learning and really consolidating the knowledge that I have, so that I can put it into practice more and help even the people I work with, and my kids, too... Right? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, absolutely. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** There's these three types of goals - there are outcome-based goals, there's performance goals, and there's process goals. They're very synonymous with the word itself, so outcome-based goals are goals that are often binary and involve winning... Like wanting to win a gold medal, or to be t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** I think a lot about it with the Olympics, of these athletes that train for years, and years, and years - performance and process, but all for this optimal outcome. But I remember watching at the winter Olympics recently, out on the ski hills, when snowboarders were affected by the wind. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah... You can't plan for that. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** No. There's all of these other variables which affect the outcome. And if I base all of how I feel on deriving this particular outcome, I'm actually going to vicariously condition myself that I'll see it as a failure, if I don't get the outcome I want, that it's related to my effort, when ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. Because your effort could have been perfectly on point. You could have had everything right when it comes to that, but the variables of the outcome just were not under your control, so you couldn't have trained well enough to confirm these variables that were just not in your control. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** \[07:47\] Yeah, and there's been researchers who've broken down this construct of perfectionism... And what they've looked at is going "When is perfectionism maladaptive, versus more adaptive?" I would say in athletics, high-level athletes are perfectionistic, but in a good way... Because ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Do you think it makes sense to attach the phrase "Not yet" to an outcome goal then? Maybe you have a measurable where it's time-based, if we get into SMART goals, or apply SMART goals to this... But I'm thinking maybe the phrase "not yet" might be helpful to round off or soften an outcome goal. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, exactly. This performance goal being it's a performance standard that you're trying to achieve. My largest file in this regard is really with graduate school; there's a lot of performance and process aspects of getting a doctorate. I had these examinations, which I think were after m... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** The buck stops here. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah. So if I'm wanting the doctorate, then I have to look at what behaviors am I gonna do, what processes are involved in order to help me perform on those days in the way in which I desire to do. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** When you think of this more in the tech community - are you aware of performance goals that would be relevant? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, let's break this down a bit more. A performance goal is what - it's a standard? Trying to achieve something? What exactly is a performance goal? |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Well, I might think about releasing an app. To some degree that's outcome, but your performance - it's that standard, like "I am trying to write a language that can be applicable to users in this genre." |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** So the process of that would be they provide the support to the performance. If you never got on your computer, I'm pretty sure it'd be hard to do any performing that would get you to that outcome. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right, right. I would think performance is probably a lot like showing up, I would say. That's part of process more than just performance, but I think once you've shown up, you've got to be in a mindset, you have to minimize distractions, which sort of leans into process again... So they sort of may... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Sure. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** But showing up -- performance might be choosing the right team members, it might be even choosing the right kind of framework, maybe even the right kind of problem to solve. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Sure, yes. And I would agree, process is very much a part of the performance... Have you heard of the word kaizen? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I have, yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Okay, so it's very much the premise -- it's these sort of small, more bite-sized goals. So if you look at process and performance as like these itty-bitty steps that move you in the direction that you want to go. So then I'm reinforcing, I'm getting that nice hit of dopamine, because whene... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** "Do more of that!" |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yes. \[laughs\] Yeah, so it's then amplifying desire and motivation, that I want to keep performing, to move me in the direction of that desired outcome. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[12:04\] Right. What I found really interesting when I read through this was -- I had never broken down goals to this degree... And I like the fact that now I understand that outcome goals are -- I understand what they are, but they're not fully under my control. But what is under my control is how... |
So I can control those variables and the outcome, as we said before, if we can say "Not yet" or find a way to soften it and round it off; then it makes it a little bit easier to show up every day, I suppose, and not feel like quitting. Because the reasons why you feel like quitting is because you don't celebrate the sm... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Right. You can learn to really focus on enjoying the process. Like, what is it that you do repeatedly because you simply enjoy doing it? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right, absolutely. In some cases you might get into the technology businesses of any sort because of a large payout. It's really well known that there's a lot of money in technology, a lot of billions get tossed around whenever businesses get acquired... A more famous example was Instagram being acq... |
So you might get into it for that kind of payout, but it's just difficult to only focus on that singular outcome, that financial outcome. You really have to fall in love with -- and what we have fallen in love with here at Changelog is the people. It's not about just simply the technology we build, it's about the peopl... |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, for sure. I think about -- like, back in graduate school we talked about this camaraderie that we had, walking alongside each other, going through this thing, that not everybody was facing. So there's this sort of shared outcome goal where we're all going, but everybody's got differe... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** One of the things that I want to bear in mind as we talk through these goals today is that these don't just apply in the professional or vocational sense... But we can set goals according to even relationships, as well as -- I mean, a lot of people will do this with the new year, the healt... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Right, yes. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** The gyms get super-crowded in January. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yes, memberships go up, it's super-crowded in gyms, and then by February they're back to normal. |
**Mireille B. Reece, Psy.D:** Yeah, and I would say that a lot of people get discouraged, or it's very common for people to be discouraged in cultivating, or sort of reaching their goals in health because of the way in which they set either unrealistic, or too big of a goal, that they can't perform at that level. So no... |
Subsets and Splits
No community queries yet
The top public SQL queries from the community will appear here once available.