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[S1] ... characteristic of non-REM sleep, which is the first states we normally go into when we fall asleep. So acetylcholine turns off in animals that sleep unihemispherically. [S2] What, okay, that's a big word. What is unihem- hem- I can't even see the thing. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I'm afraid of these, seriously. [S1] [...
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[S1] never even occurred to me that it goes way beyond rest because what we're about to learn today is there's all these really critical health and mind health-like functions- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... that can only happen when part of the brain is in sleep mode. Is that right? [S2] That's right. Absolutely. [S1] Holy cow. S...
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[S1] What the perfect night's sleep, based on your 30 years of research. [S2] Right. [S1] What does a perfect night's sleep look like? Just so that we have a benchmark for what would be ideal. [S2] I think if you just look at a
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[S1] Okay, so the perfect night's sleep for health, um, as an adult is something around plus seven and a half, eight hours, plus or minus an hour, something like that. [S2] Okay. [S1] You should be awakened by the sunlight, essentially, so that's something that resets our clock every day. And, um, and then, so you kind...
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[S1] Um, different people need different amounts of sleep. Some people need more like nine, some people are fine with six for a while. [S2] How do you know? [S1] You just have to know from your own body. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Some people, if they get six hours of sleep,
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] You already said one takeaway that I want to make sure that you listened and got from us, which is you start with the time that you want to wake up. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And then you roll the clock backwards and you're basically saying that it's seven to eight hours, give or take an hour. [S1] Yeah. [S2] S...
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[S1] lasts on average about two minutes before, you know, for example, if you're reading a book- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... and you fall asleep reading the book, you won't remember the last two minutes of reading. Or if you're listening to a podcast, you won't remember the last few minutes of the podcast before you actually f...
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[S1] So there's that dozing period which I rather like. I love that sort of, you kinda drift from your mind spinning to all of a sudden almost like you're floating in a pool. [S2] Right. [S1] That only lasts two minutes? [S2] Um, no. Stage one is variable. It's about, you know, two to five minutes, something like that....
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[S1] Okay. [S2] So it's our brain, um, losing hold of reality and all kinds of imaginary, imagination things happen. For example, it can be as boring as feeling like you're falling off a step. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Um, because not all of parts of your brain are asleep at the same time as you kind of drift into it. And so y...
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[S1] ... day. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I didn't know that. [S2] Yeah, and not everybody, most people, in fact, don't wake up from that. N2, it's called. N1 is dozing. N2 is that state of sleep which has pretty vivid, um, dreams, kind of, but they're not,
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[S1] Of what? [S2] Like, uh, of all the junk that builds up during the daytime when we're awake and alert. Um- [S1] What kind of junk builds up? [S2] Well, proteins get unfolded and, um, yeah, so, uh, things break down, energy is used. All of that gets restored in that deep sleep, state of sleep, so. Um, and- [S1] Huh....
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[S1] ... pieces of information. And it's good for creativity because, um, these new pieces of information get assimilated into different schema in ways that we can't do when we're awake. [S2] Okay, I'm, I think I'm actually getting this. [S1] Okay. [S2] You're basically saying that neuroplasticity,
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[S1] Yeah. Oh, I understand. So it's almost like our own internal search architecture. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I think about it like Legos, you know? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Summer Lego box has a whole lot of little Lego cubes in it of different colors and you can create different things. [S2] Yeah. [S1] This is really cool. And so ne...
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[S1] I, I, I'm sorry. I'm, I'm, I just think this is so cool. Now, I also read that sleep cycles last about 90 minutes. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] What does that even mean and what is in a sleep cycle and why should we care? [S2] Right.
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[S1] profound and exciting in terms of that kind of insight. Because if you think about it, I would imagine it's also applicable to somebody that has a lot of trauma. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, somebody that, uh, has a lot of chronic pain. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] That all of that is a very real, lived, stored experience in your bod...
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[S1] Yeah, absolutely. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Not only can help you, but it's necessary. [S2] It's necessary to heal. [S1] Yeah, it's necessary to heal. [S2] Could you explain what the circadian rhythm is? [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] ... to us. [S2] Right. So it, every cell in our body has a clock in it. And these clocks are aligned by a master clock in our brain called the sup- super chiasmatic nucleus, SCN for short. And that nucleus is, um, reset every day by light coming in through our eyes. And, and is our clock running on a 24-hour cycle...
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[S1] ... or- [S2] Roughly, roughly. And that's why it needs to be reset every day because everybody's clock is a little bit, the, the period is a little different and- [S1] And how do you- [S2] Know what you're- [S1] ... intentionally reset this internal circadian rhythm? [S2] Yeah. Well, there are many ways. I ta- I t...
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[S1] That is the clock hits zero in terms of your brain going, okay, the day has started. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So you really do need to control your light exposure, um, to make sure your time keeper sets it to the world that you need it to be. So if you
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[S1] ... hear that? So there are some very free and, and specific steps there. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Which is get some bright light exposure, and I take it even a cloudy or rainy day is gonna suffice. [S2] Yeah. So much brighter than indoor light. [S1] Okay. [S2] Even a cloudy day. [S1] And how long should we be standing o...
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[S1] It doesn't even take that long. You know, 20 minutes is plenty of time to give your clock. And if you can be exercising during that time, all the better. So get out and walk. [S2] If I can only get out for two minutes, would it make a difference? [S1] Yeah. Two minutes make a difference. Yeah, makes a difference. ...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] And then you also heard everybody that based on the exact same research and principles, staring at your phone, your computer screen, your television for like in the, in the evening is a big no-no unless you've got the blue light blockers, right? [S1] Yeah. Yep. [S2] Because it is signaling to your brain...
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[S1] ... even like to have the phone in the bedroom. [S2] No, it's better to have it not in the bedroom. And, and of course my phone is set to do not disturb mode so that- [S1] Okay. [S2] ... it's not disturbing me. [S1] Okay. [S2] And it doesn't. Yeah. [S1] All right. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um- [S2] It's better to have it ...
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[S1] What do you do if you're a kid and you feel like your parents play favorites? [S2] Ooh. [S1] Here's another one. My sister wants to know if Oakley is single, and if yes, she'd like to ensure that he's not a Gemini. [S2] [LAUGHS] Interesting. [S1] What are, um, some of your tips for how to deal with anxiety? Will y...
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[S1] Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. Thank you so much for being here. I'm Mel, and today I'm really excited because I'm not alone. I'm here with one of my favorite people, somebody that I love, our 18-year-old son, Oakley. [S2] Yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS]. [S2] It's me, guys. [S1] [LAUGHS]. ...
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[S1] And I love you guys. [S2] And in case you're brand new to the Mel Robbins podcast, I just want to take a minute and welcome you and also explain a little bit of background. Oakley is our 18 year old son. He is the youngest of three. He's a senior in high school and he- [S1] Just applied to college. It was great. [...
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[S1] on so many things that I struggled with for like 50 years. Like when I think about anxiety, confidence. [S2] Mm. [S1] Where you are at the age of 18 versus where I was at 18? I mean, I was like in peak Mel Schneeberger dysfunction.
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[S1] You take two showers a day? [S2] Every day. [S1] You do? [S2] Yes. [S1] Why?
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[S1] If we're ever going to do anything, before we do it at a party or somewhere else, you want us to do it with you? [S2] Yes. [S1] So that it's like, it's, we're in a safe environment, we're with people we care about, you can take care of us, and it's all safe. No drinking and driving, that's your number one rule. [S...
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[S1] No. [S2] Why? [S1] You ask me to call you and, well, you don't ground me because, again, it's a natural part of life. Like it's experimentation. Everybody experiments. And also, wait, why don't, like, 'cause we're getting punished enough by the cops? Like I feel like that's-
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[S1] That's a great question. I'll, I'll tell you why. Because here's how I've chosen to handle this issue with your dad. Because this is a deeply personal issue in terms of how you decide you're going to talk about it with your kids. And so for us, we took the time to figure out what do we value here? Because number o...
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[S1] punish them when they drank or banned the alcohol or pretended it didn't happen, it created a lack of trust, it created sneakiness, it created lying, all of which led to very dangerous behavior. And so for me, I don't know whether it's the right call or the wrong call. It has been a very smart and successful call ...
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[S1] Yes. If I ever found out that you got in a car with somebody who was drinking, or you yourself got behind the wheel- [S2] I would- [S1] ... you would lose the right to drive for a year.
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[S1] And I'll, I'll expand upon this, of course. [S2] Okay. [S1] But like, when, like, you know, when it's time to break up with somebody, you know. Like, you will always know what you want deep down. And like, nine times out of 10, what's holding you back is your worry about their feelings and hurting them. But in a r...
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[S1] No. [S2] Why? [S1] No, I don't. I, like, this is, I mean, this is a me thing, but if I'm gonna, if I, like, I want to know the person, I want to, like, care about them, I wanna feel like there's something there, um, I wanna see, like, something with them to just, like, 'cause I don't see a point in just, like, hoo...
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[S1] Um, I just, I feel like it's kinda just like tacky and dumb. But- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [LAUGHS] If you do it, like, you do it, and that's totally fine, and I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but for me, I feel like I want to know them and care about them and respect them. 'Cause it also just makes it feel more special ...
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[S1] You know, the best way is that in the beginning you need space. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like you can't be talking to them after. There can be no, like, hookups afterwards. You can't get back together and try and hook up. Um, you shouldn't be calling them while you're drunk or anything like that. And you need to understa...
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[S1] But you can still be friends. You can still, you can still hang out from time to time. But, um, it's important to know that it won't be the exact same and that it may be a little awkward from time to time. [S2] Um, how, this is somebody who's going into college. They wanna know how can I stay in touch with or supp...
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[S1] For me and my sisters, honestly, like we, I wouldn't say we talk that much. Like we were, we talked every now and then, maybe like twice a month. [S2] So it's six and five years difference. [S1] Mm-hmm. We're, we were just living like our lives. Like we were in school and that takes up our priority and there's a l...
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[S1] I am here. I'm always going to be here, even if I'm not in the house. Um, that's huge. That's really big. Uh, even if you guys aren't talking every day, which you don't need to be, but I just recommend you definitely say, like, "I'm here to talk whenever you need. Like, I'm always here for you. I went through high...
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[S1] Yeah, we do like, they're like up all day long with like photos and having a big family group chat's great 'cause like for me, I don't really communicate that often. Like I'm a horrible texter. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I'm horrible at it. And so having the group chat where it's just like mom's like, "How is everybody?" And...
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[S1] It makes us feel very connected. [S2] Connected. [S1] And you can pop in, you can pop out. We celebrate each other. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We do roll call occasionally. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We share funny memes. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah. A family group chat for anything that you want to talk about is just such a great way to feel connected just 'cause you don't feel like you have to have like a serious conversation. Like you can send one word things. Just like so many times people will text just like, "Miss you guys," and then it's just some...
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[S1] I would say, "I'm sorry you feel that way. What am I doing that makes you feel that way?" [S2] Yeah. [S1] And how can I change? [S2] If you're going to go into that conversation with your parents, 'cause that's a pretty serious conversation, I think that you should definitely, um, have a few examples in mind, a fe...
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[S1] Because if you tell your parents they're playing favorites, they'll get defensive. If you say, "Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not important." [S2] Yeah, that's, yeah. [S1] And then you give the examples. [S2] List a few examples. [S1] Then they'll be more open to it. Here's another question, Oak. This time it...
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[S1] Oakley, my 15 year old is always in her room. Do I just let her be? I'm scared for our relationship and I don't know what to do. [S2] Hmm. Well, I'm guessing she's always in her room because she's probably on her phone. [S1] Oh. [S2] Oh, yeah. [S1] Wait, that's what you guys do in your rooms? [S2] I mean, most lik...
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[S1] Mm-hmm. Yeah, honestly, since I'm like a senior in high school, what I'm mostly doing in my room is homework or like talking to my friends on the phone. But, yeah. [S2] So she's in her room because she wants privacy while she's on her phone? [S1] Yes. [S2] Okay. So what do you do about that? [S1] She's 15, so her ...
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[S1] I'd just be like, "Hey, like, I feel as though you're in your room a lot as of recently, and I'm just kinda curious as to what's happening." You know? [S2] Nothing. [S1] [LAUGHS] And then I would say, "I wanna respond to nothing." That's a great, like, I use that line all the- [S2] No shit, you do. [S1] ... I use ...
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[S1] So don't worry about the fact that she's in her room on her phone. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Is there any kind of thing to do at dinner that opens up conversation? [S2] Yeah, we, we play a game called high and low, which is in the title. You share your high of the day and your low of the day, and you just go around and yo...
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[S1] But what they do do is they jump on like their Xbox or their console or their computer and they game for three hours. And the guy thinks of it as the equivalent of like talking to their friend on the phone for three hours. But instead of, um, just like talking, they're like doing something in front of them as well...
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[S1] Because he would be so upset that you were spending hours on, like, whatever video game. I'd be like, "Dude, he's not alone." Like, he's hanging out with his friends. They're on their headsets. They're talking to each other while they're playing. [S2] Yeah. [S1] This is, this is a play date. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And it...
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[S1] of throwing the ball around, kicking the soccer ball around. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And also, the thing about gaming is most kids that play, that are gaming, they also do it 'cause they're good at it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And it's one thing they're good at. [S2] Yeah. It is. That's what's like kinda nice about it 'cause like ...
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[S1] And so simply going, "I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna try this thing I've never done," it does give you a boost of confidence because you stop judging yourself the moment you put it on. [S2] Yeah. The moment I put it on, I was like, "All right, this is sick." [S1] Let's go. What I love about that, Oakley, is you ca...
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[S1] I can give you another example of doing something new in your life, uh, how that builds confidence. Take Dad, for example. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, he has started these men's retreats and now he has gone back to school and is getting his master's, which is sick. [S2] That's totally sick. [S1] Super sick.
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