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[S1] So for the person listening, I know what they're now thinking. Okay, great. I gotta get the book, but how do I find my own Dr. Haver? Like, what, how do you, I'm dead serious about this. [S2] Right. [S1] How do you prepare yourself to go in to your doctor? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And how do you find somebody who has bee...
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[S1] I will link to absolutely everything that you've recommended, including how to find you, find the book, uh, and reach out to you in all the resources for this show. [S2] Awesome. [S1] Do you have any final words of wisdom to the person listening?
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[S1] ... find this power, to put themselves first, for the first time in their adult lives. Their give a shit factor goes away. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] They don't care anymore. They are embracing who they are. And I love that about us. You know, I'm more successful. I never could have done this in my 30s, you know, th- what...
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[S1] And after leaving Quest Nutrition, Lisa is now the co-founder and president of Impact Theory Studios. She's a New York Times best-selling author. Her YouTube channels and all the shows that they launch have billions of views, and she is here today to be with you and me. So please help me welcome the remarkable Lis...
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[S1] ... that you're probably intimidating to a lot of people. So take us back to the beginning. [S2] All right. [S1] And tell us a little bit about Lisa being a little girl over in the UK and what you dreamt about doing and the kind of family environment you grew up in.
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[S1] It's patted on the head a lot, like I said. [S2] Really? Like, literally tap, tap, tap? [S1] Like, literally tap, tap, tap, tap on the head t- multiple times. Um,
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[S1] Now, here's the thing. I hope people can see your face. If you're on podcast, Mel looks horrified right now, people. Now, here's the thing. Think about where my dad came from. Everyone has a belief system. Remember how I said that earlier? [S2] Yes. [S1] My dad's belief system was he grew up in a tiny mountain in,...
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[S1] Let's highlight this for a minute. Because when it's happening to you, you are so offended and angered and frozen in the moment. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And yet it is so easy to forget that the world that your parents grew up in doesn't exist anymore. [S2] Correct. [S1] But they still live
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[S1] Based on the conditioning, the experiences, the good, the bad, from that world. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And yet we just have this expectation that somehow
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[S1] Because it's not that they don't believe in you, they believe in the laws of physics, if you will. If you haven't taught yourself something, how are you going to know it? [S2] Right. [S1] So I just go, "Oh, he's got a point." And so instead of taking offense to it, instead of making that detrimental to my self-est...
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[S1] ... to get hooked and triggered emotionally. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] When somebody else's frame of reference is not the same as yours. [S2] Correct. [S1] And we walk around thinking that absolutely everybody that we meet, our parents and our friends included, have the same level of therapy, have the same way of thinking...
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[S1] And people don't. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And we make assumptions about that. And then we are pissed off, or we are emotionally triggered, or we are devastated when it doesn't match what we want to hear. If it's okay, can we take some time to really unpack it for the person that's listening? [S2] Yeah, let's go deep.
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[S1] Yes. And if you, and the reason why this is powerful is because if you understand in your example that you're not triggered by yelling because your association growing up in a very loud, "Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah," kind of family is that's the sound of a full house. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But somebody else may expe...
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[S1] Someone else to treat you poorly. What you're talking about is developing a skill where you do not allow other people's frame of reference or other people's emotions or other people's opinions to derail you. [S2] Yes. [S1] And at the same time, because you're not derailed, because you're not emotionally triggered,...
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[S1] And obviously, this is a lot of work, so you do it with the people you care about. Like, it's hard to do with strangers. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But even so, it's a way to not be emotionally hooked. Now, we're in a story where you're probably 16, 17 years old and you feel run over by, you know, a, a train at the moment. [...
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[S1] That's his frame of reference. [S2] Correct. So, when he said, "Okay, fine, go to college," he'd just been like, "Ah, okay, three years, she's gonna meet someone, she's gonna get married." So there was no eye-rolling because for him, he already thought, "Well, she's gonna find a guy, get married, and it won't matt...
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[S1] 'Cause he already had in his mind a different frame of reference. [S2] Correct. [S1] This is gonna work out anyway. [S2] Yeah. [S1] 'Cause I know what happens here because my frame of reference is she gets married. [S2] Correct. [S1] And it's such a fabulous tool because everybody in your family has a frame of ref...
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[S1] You're not gonna, you're gonna get married anyway. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's always like right there, hanging around. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Just kinda chirping in your ear.
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[S1] You have four weeks left, baby, 'cause this is an eight week class. [S2] Yes. Look at her counting. But the last four weeks was practical. [S1] Okay. [S2] So I didn't have any more classes with him. You just have to go out and make your movie. [S1] Okay, great. [S2] So on the last day of my last class, it was like...
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[S1] Exactly. And I was fascinated. I was like, "This guy isn't posturing. He doesn't care what his clothes look like. He actually wants to know what I'm interested in. He's not just trying to, like, create conversation for conversation's sake." And I was mesmerized. And I'm thinking, "This is going to be the best holi...
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[S1] Another person's opinions, emotions, expectations, and the example was your dad. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So understanding, in hindsight, that his frame of reference is growing up on a mountain, the toilet's a hole in the floor, only four boys from the village get to go to school, every girl in the village, because there...
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[S1] Yes, and we are so quick to defend our frame of reference as the right- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... way to look at something, and the only way to look at something, and that if you don't fit in this, you're out, or if you don't understand me, you're out. And so I think it's a very powerful self-awareness tool that you're e...
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[S1] ... two weeks, and I was like, "Yeah." He didn't even have a passport. So in, like, two weeks, he booked a flight, got, like, an emergency passport. Didn't even have a suitcase. He took his, took his mom's pink suitcase. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Like, I literally can still see him walking down the, like, the thing with ...
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[S1] Here's the funny thing. Now, my dad didn't think it was gonna last. [S2] Oh. [S1] So he was like, "Yeah, I just thought, why rock the boat? I may as well say, okay." Tom meets my dad. He asks him barely even one question. [S2] Wait, your dad barely asked Tom any questions? [S1] Yes. So remember, I've set him up.
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[S1] Or he has resentment towards him, or he has a threat. My dad is the center of my, you know, center of my attention. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And so if my dad doesn't approve of him, and now my attention is going elsewhere, could that be why? I didn't know, but those are kind of like you come up with conclusions. But agai...
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[S1] A thousand percent. And what's interesting with everything that you just broke down is your mom probably wasn't even aware of her own frame of reference of why she was behaving like that. Because if you don't do the work, you know this, if you don't have a growth mindset, if you don't actually look to try to under...
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[S1] Especially when you want to navigate in this space that we all need to learn how to navigate, which is where you are in relation to other people. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And so, what happens? He meets your dad. [S2] So, meets my dad, and he's very quiet, doesn't ask a lot of questions.
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[S1] And because I find myself, again, just knowing myself, I start blubbering when I don't have clarity. Well, you know, oh, well, it could be it. That means you don't have clarity. So have clarity in why you are making a decision so that you can articulate it. So when it came to having kids, it was really hard becaus...
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[S1] having a little tum running around. Because the truth is, I think we can all get caught up in the idea of the glory of something. [S2] Right. [S1] Build a business. The glory is you make so much money, you never have to worry about money. Have kids. The glory is that you never have to do anything when you're older...
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[S1] But what does that look like in reality? So I call it, what does your average Wednesday look like? Like actually a Wednesday. [S2] Yeah. [S1] What does it actually look like if you're working and you've got kids? If you're not working and you have kids? If you don't have kids and you're working? Like every possibl...
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[S1] Right? And you can see- [S2] You know what's interesting about listening to you unpack this? Is that if you're somebody who wants kids, or you're like me and you already have them, my frame of reference answering every one of those questions is completely different than Lisa's. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And yet, two thing...
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[S1] ... them this company, and we take them around the facilities. And we, at that point, had 300,000 facility, uh, 300,000 square feet. We had 3,000 employees. [S2] Wow. [S1] 3,000, 'cause we were manufacturing. And so we take my dad around, these 300,000 square feet, and you walk into the facility mill, and it looke...
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[S1] And you respect that that's their frame of reference, and then you go and you make the decisions that really empower you. People do change. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And you've now just not shamed somebody into doing it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But he can own authentically a massive shift in his belief. What a beautiful example...
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[S1] All right, let's jump into some listener questions because we got tons of them from people that listened to this podcast and knew that you were coming on. And I know that you are going to give some incredible advice. [S2] Let's do it. [S1] And this is an interesting one. This comes from Patty. How can you correct ...
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[S1] Okay. Wow. Patty, thank you, first of all, for being so open and honest. I think it's very hard to admit when you've made a mistake. That's a huge frickin' win already that she is thinking about that. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Number two, I would say you only know what you know. And so you did the best you could at the ti...
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[S1] That's really good. So if you're not going into the conversation with your daughter or anybody because you think you screwed up. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We do go into those conversations wanting to feel relief from the guilt that we feel. [S2] Yes, we do. [S1] So what do you go into that conversation
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[S1] And I would add something. I personally think that the frame of reference piece could be extremely helpful for you understanding why you may have acted how you did. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You don't go in explaining yourself. I agree with you. Because putting the focus on your daughter and listening and what she needs b...
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[S1] ... give you compassion as well, to say, "This isn't on, all on you." So give yourself that grace as well. [S2] And focus on your daughter. [S1] Correct. [S2] This isn't about relieving your stuff. [S1] Exactly. [S2] Got it. Go to a therapist for that. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Right? [S1] True, yeah.
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[S1] of advocating for yourself and being louder about the contribution you are making at work, that is important if getting paid more is important to you. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But being louder or more outgoing when you're first meeting people, that's up to you.
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[S1] ... to hit. [S2] Mm. Mm-hmm. [S1] So it's like, if you don't have such clarity on what you're trying to get to, I have no idea what steps I need to take. So let me just give you a bit of a, like a, um, a method that I use on how I figure out goals and stuff. [S2] Great. Okay. [S1] So I go, okay, what is my mission...
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[S1] ... [S2] ... [S1] No, seriously. [S2] I- [S1] Like, you know, when you look at your resume, it's hard. Does Lisa Bilyeu ever wake up and feel bad? Like, she is confident, she is driven, she is clear. I mean, when you were in that eight-year cycle- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... for yourself, where you were just in the mono...
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[S1] So if you answer that, when I can pay my bills, then I'll do the X. When I don't have to do this, then I'll do that. When, a lot of people write in, when the kids are grown up, then I'll get a divorce. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And that when is holding you hostage, and it's also the reason why you're not in touch with wha...
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