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[S1] ... to take the simple steps that sometimes feel impossible, to pursue your dreams, to improve your health, to create greater connections, to believe in yourself. And Jamie truly is not only the professor of purpose, but her life story is a demonstration- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... in cultivating belief. Belief in your...
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[S1] ... belief in your intuition, belief in God, belief that things will turn out. And so I want to go back in time because, you know, I've heard you on the stages that you speak around the world, talk about how you started as a waitress in Denny's. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then from waitressing at Denny's pursued a drea...
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[S1] I would love to start there. [S2] Mm. Yeah, Waitress at Denny's, um, full uniform name tag to prove it. [S1] Oh, I forgot they had uniforms. [S2] Oh,
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[S1] ... a uniform, uh- [S2] What was your favorite thing on the menu? [S1] Oh, gosh. I love the pancakes. You know what? Just, like, simple. Um, it's so funny how our steps are ordered, I think, in life. [S2] Mm. [S1] And so often, I remember being a waitress at Denny's. I remember feeling, and, and maybe, um, maybe s...
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[S1] at the Denny's I worked at was a disaster. Like they would take an hour to get pancakes out. [S2] Huh. [S1] So I learned to talk to people so that they wouldn't leave. They often did leave, um, or they'd throw like a dime and a penny on the table and leave. [S2] As your tip, as if it's your fault. [S1] Yeah, exact...
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[S1] ... huge season of setback in my life. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, of self-doubt. Uh, I have a skin condition called rosacea, and for me it started getting really red, really bumpy, uh, and I would be anchoring the news live, thinking like, you know, "Okay, this is it, this is it." And I started hearing in my earpiece, ...
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[S1] So can you explain what that means particularly to somebody who's listening. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Who may feel like, I know I'm meant for something greater. [S2] Yes. [S1] Why the hell am I at this step? And this does not feel like it is like on the path of where I'm supposed to go. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So what do you mea...
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[S1] ... for us. So to somebody that's like really in it, Jamie. [S2] Yes, yes. [S1] What does that mean? [S2] Let me frame it around our topic of purpose, right? [S1] Okay. [S2] So often people feel empty because they feel like, "Oh, my purpose needs to be some job. It needs to be my job, or it needs to be this, this ...
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[S1] and I now am actually realizing I'm born to be a generational cycle breaker in my family. [S2] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [S1] That is an incredible purpose, right? Purpose can be like, "Oh, I've been having a hard season for a long time," and when I actually just take a minute and say hi to someone else who's lonely, maybe ...
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[S1] anchoring the news. And people think when you're doing that, you must have all this money, but you really don't get paid much at all. And I- [S2] No. [S1] I took my little paycheck that I had and started spending it on, um, department store makeup, uh, professional artistry makeup, drugstore makeup. I couldn't fin...
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[S1] ... between those two. And it wasn't until I had this big, big aha moment of why I needed to do it, that pushed me over the edge. [S2] Okay, so what is the aha moment? [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] And how can you now use that, making it through, to help someone who's going through it? [S2] Okay. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] That's like a mic drop moment from our professor of purpose, Jamie Kern-Lima. So again, I like to unpack these things to make sure. [S1] Yeah. [S2] This is a, this is a, I always say this is not j...
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[S1] Say that again, Jamie, for the people that are like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, kids, calm down." Uh, I, wait, Jamie just said something. I was doing my dishes. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Say that again. Talk about the fact that this matters. [S2] This is huge because I think the biggest reason we talk ourselves out of things is ...
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[S1] question real quick. How did you go from the, uh-huh- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... to starting? So what did that look like? Like, 'cause I think, like, if you're in this space where, you know, let's just use an example. You've never actually
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[S1] there in New York City, blah, blah, blah. So that was my first manufacturer. Reached out to them, had a meeting in person, uh, had no money, poured this idea out to them. They took a, a risk making me samples, uh, and that's how it started. It was just really being scrappy, um, and, and trying to figure it out. Al...
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[S1] formula iterations, I thought that was gonna be it. [S2] So is this like year one or year two? Like how long did this take? [S1] Yeah, it took a good first year to get that product. [S2] Okay. [S1] And then what I started doing was sending it to everyone I thought was just gonna believe in me instantly. So I sent ...
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[S1] ... that. [S2] You, you want to know what it was? [S1] Yeah. [S2] We still believed in it, but we weren't sure how we were gonna make it. It was like friends and family that were like, "Uh, wait, you quit your job? Are you sure you should've quit your job?" Or, "Wait, you still haven't made any money? Like, it's b...
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[S1] us, we start to learn to doubt ourselves. [S2] You're like, "Oh, lonely." [S1] Right? But you know, or, you know, especially as young girls, you learn to make decisions by consensus.
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[S1] often with your friends and you- [S2] Or making other people happy. [S1] Making other people happy. Uh, people pleasing. We're rewarded for, for, for pleasing everyone else and, and almost ignoring what we feel. So, so if you're someone who's an adult right now going, "I don't even know how to hear my own gut or t...
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[S1] if it's five minutes a day just to thinking about moments in my life where I trusted myself, where I didn't. Um, and if you don't remember any of them, start now. [S2] You know what you just inspired me to think about? [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I don't even know if it's possible to do this. But imagine if you could go thr...
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[S1] and only make decisions that align with what you truly want. [S2] Mm, yes. [S1] If you don't wanna go to that party tonight, don't go. If a friend asks you something and you feel obligated, out of guilt, to lend them that thing, don't actually lend them the thing. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Eat what you wanna eat tonight for...
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[S1] Right? Um, uh, Trent Shelton, our friend, says, says one day the things you're going through right now will be the things you made it through. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And what I would say to someone listening right now is,
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[S1] By one day helping someone else who's going through them. And- [S2] I love that saying, that you're best equipped to help the person you used to be. [S1] Yes. Yes. Yes. [S2] So let's go to that moment, Jamie. You're three years in.
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[S1] ... uh, Jay-Z says, "The genius thing we did was we didn't give up." [S2] Mm. [S1] That's hit, like, one of my favorite quotes of his. In that moment, everything told me to give up, Mal. I mean, it was hundreds of rejections. And now it felt, it felt like my last hope of desperation.
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[S1] ... don't even know the next step. So you got this kind of, you know, jerk who's like, "Yeah, they're not gonna buy it because of your body type," and this, that, and the other thing. You're like, "Yeah, you're wrong, motherfucker." [S2] Yeah. [S1] But what do you-
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[S1] so successful today, or, you know, and I just kept trying to sort of build this toolbox of things I could lean on, um, but I- [S2] And how did, how did QVC come about? Because- [S1] Oh, yeah. [S2] ... you-
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[S1] And was this before or after this guy was like, "No, we're not investing." [S2] After. [S1] After? [S2] After. [S1] So she has now gotten three years of nose. [S2] Yeah. [S1] They're almost out of money. Her intuition is knowing that she's gonna fly girl fly. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] So she is still showing up to a beau...
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[S1] ... that to everybody, that's 10 years of sales on her website at the current amount. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So in ten minutes, everybody. [S2] Yeah. [S1] She, on live television- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... has to move ten years worth of volume she was selling on her website at that time. [S2] In one shot. In one- [S1] In one s...
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[S1] And if you're the only you that will ever exist, your knowing is the unique difference that you're gonna make in this world. [S2] Yes. [S1] And in this moment, with one shot to go, everything on the line, a loan from one out of 23 banks that was willing, she said, "No way," to the freaking experts.
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[S1] ... the professor classes and session, did you hear that? That inauthenticity, being fake, trying to do something everybody else's way because that's just, you're too insecure to do it your way. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That never guarantees success. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Authenticity, your knowing, your special spin on things. ...
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[S1] know, by the second. Your clock, you might think you have eight minutes still to go, and your clock will jump to one. [S2] [GASPS] [S1] Or jump to two minutes left. Yeah. [S2] 'Cause your product's a flop. [S1] Yep, exactly. [S2] And you're a flop. So you literally are racing against the clock to be successful out...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Did that wake you up or were you like- [S2] I, well, I didn't, it was like out of my body. I was just praying. [S1] So do you, did you like just then take your makeup off?
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