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In article <C5M2F9.GEB@news.iastate.edu> atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: > >If the VAT will be done in the same way that state and local sales >taxes are done, nothing will be on the sticker. The cleark ringing >up your purchase (gum, gas, car, etc.) will hit a button to add >another 5% on top of the state and local sales taxes (and that won't >include any of the VAT from previous levels of sales). > There is no need to include the VAT from previous levels because the VAT is a "difference" tax...if the VAT is X%, than the amount of tax the government receives through all the levels is X% of the purchase price of the end consumer. At the intervening levels, only the difference between the VAT paid out and the VAT received is remitted to the government. >Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal >government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only >be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of >production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), >and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this >would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than >a VAT). A VAT is infinitely preferable to a retail sails tax... Gerald
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It is usually possible to reach people at IKI (Institute for Space Research) in Moscow by writing to IKIMAIL@esoc1.bitnet This is a machine at ESA in Darmstadt, Germany; IKI has a dedicated phone line to this machine and someone there logs in regularly to retrieve mail. In addition, there are several user accounts belonging to Russian scientific institutions on <user>@sovam.com which is a commercial enterprise based in San Francisco that provides email services to the former USSR. For example, fian@sovam.com is the "PHysics Institute of the Academy of Sciences" (initials transliterated from Russian, of course). These connections cost the Russians real dollars, even for *received* messages, so please don't send anything voluminous or frivilous. ===================================================================== Larry R. D'Addario National Radio Astronomy Observatory Addresses (INTERNET) LDADDARI@NRAO.EDU (FAX) +1/804/296-0324 Charlottesville +1/304/456-2200 Green Bank (MAIL) 2015 Ivy Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903, USA (PHONE) +1/804/296-0245 office, 804/973-4983 home CHO +1/304/456-2226 off., -2106 lab, -2256 apt. GB =====================================================================
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In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes: >Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been >better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months? > How about tell everyone what the hell they were doing there in the first place? If we knew that, we'd be in a much better position to judge their actions. Until then, we can only speculate and develop nice conspiracy and/or police state stories. -Bob
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ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes: >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are just trying to discredit Israel). Ed.
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In <C4zwC0.6LK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes: >Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for >Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my >permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping? Students keep borrowing >my masters, and I'm worried they'll get screwed up! (Please don't tell me You realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is going to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that personal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God 999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font]. But that's irrelevant to the problem here. Windows came with my system, but on 5.25" disks. I hate using 5.25" disks, so I copied them over to high density 3.5"'s using xcopy. It worked fine. In fact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much that I decided to try putting them on the hard disk. Not only can you copy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you can simply copy them all into one directory. Makes it a lot nicer when you're switching printer emulations around. Norton 6.0 I don't have much experience with, but when a friend's system crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the originals, and it worked fine. This would imply that arj a -r norton c:\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install the first time, you've got the whole thing. Never played with WP for Windows; I'm not too big of a fan of anything from Utah. Good luck.... Disclaimer: Don't Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders! For The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill! DO YOU OFFEND? Rob -- Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control.....
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In article <1qp9d1$e37@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there > that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. Umm... I beg to differ with the phrase ``only conceivable meaning''. The SDNS protocols, for example, make explicit provision for multiple encryption systems, as does PEM. (And I'd love to see how they'd mandate this new system for PEM without disclosing it....) Mind you, I'm not saying that multiple algorithms will actually be used -- but the relevant technologies certainly provide for them, which certainly casts doubt on your choice of words.
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Hi net! Due to further investigation I would like to study the following article: Peterson, "Ray tracing general B-Splines", Proc. ACM Mountain Regional Conference, April 1986 Unfortunately I didn't find it in any library's register. If there is anyone having access to this paper or knowing about a library containing those proceedings (preferrably in Germany), please let me know! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks a lot, Joerg Haber -- Joerg Haber haberj@mathematik.tu-muenchen.de Mathematisches Institut TU Muenchen
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In article <80416@apple.apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) wrote: > > mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) writes: > > > > >"When the Giants protected Mike Benjamin (career average .160) ovre pitcher > >Pat Rapp, there were surprised looks in the Bay Area > > >Benjamin's stats: .333/.364/.571, 42 ab, 14 H, 4 doubles, 2 dingers. > > >And Rapp's even been sent down to AAA. So it's even *better* than that, > >eh? > > Of course, the protected list was done by the OLD regime, not the new, so > this is Rosen's baby, not Quinn's. > > And I'll tell you what. Let's look at this again at the end of the season, > and, say in three years, and see who the genius is. One of the more > braindead decisions by the OldGiants, IMHO. Even if Benjamin DOES improve > markedly over the past (and his hitting is better) he's never going to be > more than a utility/backup IF. Rapp might turn into a top-flight arm in > another year. I think the next time I post something like this, I obviously need to make the sarcasm a bit more obvious... chuck |- chuck mcmath - mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov - MSD, Inc. ---------------| |- National Library of Medicine - National Institutes of Health -----| |- Bethesda, MD 20894 ----------- No noose is good noose ------------| |- "Hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, swing" - Anon. --------------| |------------ This opinion influenced by cosmic radiation -----------|
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Please , I need the starting address (pointer) for the beginning of the color information (RGB) on VGA mode 68h (that's 68 hex, gee, duh!)... Thanks SOOOO much (hugs and kisses) in advance..... .....John (at UCI) e-mail---> eapu207@orion.oac.uci.edu
1comp.graphics
Please could someone in the US give me the current street prices on the following, with and without any relevant taxes: 8 Mb 72 pin SIMM 16 Mb 72 pin SIMM (both for Mac LC III) Are any tax refunds possible if they are to be exported to the UK? Can you recommend a reliable supplier? As I am posting this from a friend's account, please reply direct to me at: s.fraser@ic.ac.uk Thanks in advance for any help :^) Simon
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In <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey writes: >In article <19930422.121236.246@almaden.ibm.com>, Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) writes: >> 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated "Level 5" by a NASA team. >> This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. > >Will someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term "Level 5" comes >from? It sounds like the RISKS Digest equivalent of Large, Extra >Large, Jumbo... Or maybe it's like "Defcon 5..." > >I gather it means that Shuttle software was developed with extreme >care to have reliablility and safety, and almost everything else in >the computing world is Level 1, or cheesy dime-store software. Not >surprising. But who is it that invents this standard, and how come >everyone but me seems to be familiar with it? Level 5 refers to the Carnegie-Mellon Software Engineering Institute's Capability Maturity Model. This model rates software development org's from1-5. with 1 being Chaotic and 5 being Optimizing. DoD is beginning to use this rating system as a discriminator in contracts. I have more data on thifrom 1 page to 1000. I have a 20-30 page presentation that summarizes it wethat I could FAX to you if you're interested... Bret Wingert Wingert@VNET.IBM.COM (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077
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I'm trying to make a 24 bit window using XCreateWindow on a 8 bit PseudoColor server. As far as I know this should be possible if you server supports a TrueColor or DirectColor visual. I'm using a Sun IPC with a RasterFLEX card. Running xdpyinfo gives: ... screen #0: dimensions: 1152x900 pixels (352x275 millimeters) resolution: 83x83 dots per inch depths (4): 1, 5, 8, 24 root window id: 0x80083 depth of root window: 8 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 6 default colormap: 0x80080 ... number of visuals: 8 default visual id: 0x80079 ... visual: visual id: 0x80079 class: PseudoColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x8007a class: TrueColor depth: 24 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0xff, 0xff00, 0xff0000 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x8007b class: DirectColor depth: 24 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0xff, 0xff00, 0xff0000 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits My code looks like this: if ((Xio.DspPtr = XOpenDisplay(NULL)) == NULL) logexit(1, "Cannot connect to X server %s", XDisplayName(NULL)); Xio.Scr = DefaultScreen(Xio.DspPtr); /* use this screen */ if (XMatchVisualInfo(Xio.DspPtr, Xio.Scr, 24, DirectColor, &Xtern.ColorInfo)) { memset(&SetWinAttrib, 0, sizeof(XSetWindowAttributes)); Xio.GSwin = XCreateWindow(Xio.DspPtr, RootWindow(Xio.DspPtr, Xio.Scr), x, y, w, h, 0, 24, InputOutput, Xtern.ColorInfo, 0, &SetWinAttrib); } This results in a BadMatch error. Can anyone please tell me why ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Henrik Winther Nielsen CCCCCCC II | Basic Development CC CCCC | CCI Europe Mail: hwn@cci.dk CC CC II | Oester Parkvej 9 Phone: 86295588 (361) CC CCCC II | DK-8270 Hoejbjerg CCCCCCC II | Denmark e u r o p e ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <C5uFzp.Btp@willamette.edu> Thomas A. Herzog, therzog@willamette.edu writes: > So I finally decided to risk this upgrade, FAQ in hand I've gathered the > pieces together. The only problem is that I haven't been able to find > anyone who's even heard of thermal tape/glue (which is what the FAQ > recommends for attaching the heat sink) I am just tempted to use duct > tape here.... anyone hae any ideas for me for attaching the heat sink to > the processor?? much thanks. Just use a thin film of epoxy. That!s what I did. Epoxy conducts heat fairly well. And my heat sink gets warm to prove it. I looked for the stuff myself & my local EE jocks said to use epoxy. Have fun. Ken
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Bully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com> I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.
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Disclaimer -- This is for fun. In my computerized baseball game, I keep track of a category called "stolen hits", defined as a play made that "an average fielder would not make with average effort." Using the 1992 Defensive Averages posted by Sherri Nichols (Thanks Sherri!), I've figured out some defensive stats for the centerfielders. Hits Stolen have been redefined as "Plays Juan Gonzalez would not have made." OK, I realize that's unfair. Juan's probably the victim of pitching staff, fluke shots, and a monster park factor. But let's put it this way: If we replaced every centerfielder in the league with someone with Kevin's 55.4% out making ability, how many extra hits would go by? To try and correlate it to reality a little more, I've calculated Net Hits Stolen, based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make. By the same method I've calculated Net Extra Bases (doubles and triples let by). Finally, I throw all this into a a formula I call Defensive Contribution, or DCON :->. Basically, it represents the defensive contribution of a player. I add this number to OPS to get DOPS (Defense + Onbase Plus Slug), which should represent the player's total contribution to the team. So don't take it too seriously. The formula for DCON appears at the end of this article. The short version -- definition of terms HS -- Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to Kurt Stillwell NHS -- Net Hits Stolen -- Extra outs compared to average fielder NDP -- Net Double Plays -- Extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder NEB -- Net Extra Bases -- Extra bases prevented compared to avg. fielder DCON -- Defensive Contribution -- bases and hits prevented, as a rate. DOPS -- DCON + OPS -- quick & dirty measure of player's total contribution. National League Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS Nixon, O. 34 12 15 .083 .777 Grissom, M. 48 18 12 .072 .812 Jackson, D. 46 13 20 .060 .735 Lewis, D. 25 8 -6 .029 .596 Dykstra, L. 25 5 -5 .013 .794 Dascenzo, D. 10 -5 10 .001 .616 Finley, S. 32 -2 2 -.003 .759 Lankford, R. 39 4 -12 -.007 .844 Martinez, D. 21 5 -16 -.017 .660 VanSlyke, A. 30 -4 -17 -.040 .846 Sanders, R. 7 -10 -4 -.059 .759 Butler, B. 1 -29 5 -.088 .716 Johnson, H. 3 -12 -19 -.118 .548 Ordered by DOPS .846 VanSlyke .844 Lankford .812 Grissom .794 Dykstra .777 Nixon .759 Finley .759 Sanders .735 Jackson .730 *NL Average* .716 Butler .660 Martinez .616 Dascenzo .596 Lewis .548 Johnson American League --------------- Name HS NHS NEB DCON DOPS Lofton, K. 57 32 17 .220 .947 Wilson, W. 47 26 0 .125 .787 White, D. 52 25 28 .119 .812 Felix, J. 22 0 32 .063 .713 Devereaux, M. 43 16 0 .047 .832 McRae, H. 38 11 -1 .038 .631 Yount, R. 31 8 -3 .022 .737 Kelly, R. 13 -6 -3 -.025 .681 Johnson, L. 23 -5 -13 -.040 .641 Griffey, K. 15 -9 -12 -.052 .844 Puckett, K. 13 -13 -15 -.063 .801 Cuyler, M. 6 -10 -6 -.088 .503 Gonzalez, J. 0 -21 -15 -.095 .738 Order by DOPS .947 Lofton .844 Griffey .832 Devereaux .812 White .801 Puckett .787 Wilson .738 Gonzalez .737 Yount .713 Felix .709 *AL Average* .681 Kelly .641 Johnson .631 McRae .503 Cuyler More discussion -- DCON formula: ((NHS + NDP)/PA) + ((NHS + NDP + NEB)/AB) Why such a bizzare formula? Basically, it's designed to be added into the OPS, with the idea that "a run prevented is as important as a run scored". The extra outs are factored into OBP, while the extra bases removed are factored into SLG. That's why I used PA and AB as the divisors. For more discussion see the post on Hits Stolen -- First Base 1992 -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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Darwin fish can be bought from: -- "JOIN THE DARWINNERS (TM) Send $6 to receive your official Evolving Fish.. wherever you want to spread the good news! Darwinners, 6671 Sunset Blvd., Ste. 1525, L.A.,CA 90028 THE GREATEST THEORY EVER TOLD!" Jenny -- Forty years from now nursing homes will be filled with demented hackers, studying their blank laptop screens nicely placed on knitted quilts to keep their knees warm. -K. Mitchum
0alt.atheism
========================== OZONE GIF IMAGES April 15, 1993 ========================== Two GIF images of the ozone maps over the northern and southern hemispheres are now available at the JPL Info public access site. These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS), and are courtesy of the Public Information Office at JPL. Note that the images are in GIF89a format, so make sure your display software supports this format (as opposed to the older GIF87a format). The caption files accompanying the images are appended at the end of this message, as well as being embedded in the images. The images are available by dialup modem at +1 (818) 354-1333, up to 9600 bps, parameters N-8-1, or by using anonymous ftp to: ftp: pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) user: anonymous cd: news (will be moved to the images directory in 30 days) files: ozone93a.gif - Northern hemisphere ozone93b.gif - Southern hemisphere Also, photographic prints of these images can be ordered from Newell Color Lab listed below. Refer to the P number associated with the images when ordering. Newell Color Lab 221 N. Westmoreland Avenue Los Angeles CA 90064 Telephone: (213) 380-2980 FAX: (213) 739-6984 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93a.gif PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 PHOTO P-42210 April 14, 1993 This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide and ozone over Earth's northern hemisphere in February 1992 and 1993. These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite. The chlorine monoxide (ClO) maps (left) are for a layer about 20 kilometers (66,000 feet) above the Earth's surface on February 17, 1992 (above) and 1993 (below). The ozone maps show the total amount above an altitude of about 12 kilometers (41,000 feet) averaged over the period from February 15 to March 6 for the two years. The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on the Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, launched in September 1991. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93b.gif PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 PHOTO CAPTION P-42211 April 14, 1993 This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide (ClO) and the Antarctic ozone hole. These maps, produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, show the amount of chlorine monoxide (left) and ozone (right) in the stratosphere at altitudes above 20 kilometers (66,000 feet). Very small abundances of ozone appear where there are large abundances of chlorine monoxide, the dominant form of chlorine that destroys ozone. Data from September 21, 1991 (top) are compared with those from September 20, 1992 (bottom). The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite launched September 12, 1991. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead.
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Today the Texas ME found two people, a man and a woman shot in the head inside the burned compound. But these were not the people that the FBI described a few days before. The FBI said that the person found in front of the compound had been shot and several children were also. The two people found today were on top of the main inside concrete bunker that provided the most protection during the fire. So the comment that children were shot is still not proved. -- Defend your 2nd amendment rights. NRA ACLU VFW Fred Brooks Portland Oregon
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In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes: > >[...] >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking his/her sources does not deserve to be believed. The Gaza strip does not possess the highest population density in the world. In fact, it isn't even close. Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly of this statement: the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area. The centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, population densities. Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,... Need I go on? The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the truth than this oft-repeated statement is. -- "How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess" Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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In article <1993Apr15.160316.9170@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > >Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might >enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the >date indicated. They are largely out of order. much crap deleted >>3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order: >>Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch > >Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to >stick, it seems). DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in baseball at 8-1 MY PREDICTION FOR 1993: Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL (don't flame me..flame the bum who thinks he got fired last year. PAY ATTENTION KIDDO!)
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kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote: > My nearly-13 year old Pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination. > ... Suffice it to say, we will not > vaccinate her for Lyme disease again. She's been camping through some 6 > states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks > and dealing with them and we simply won't take her to really active Lyme > disease areas.... Not to drag this out anymore, but.... Many veterinarians feel that Lyme Disease in dogs is so easy to treat that in an endemic area, they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs presenting with lameness, swollen joints, +/- fever. A recent paper (March 1993) has finally established that Lyme disease in dogs can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting. This has been an ellusive matter for researchers, and is one of the fundamental requirements for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease. Up to now, only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to "prove" that the disease exists. This paper is noteworthy in two other regards: 1) None of the animals they infected were treated in any way. The dogs had episodes of lameness during a 6-8 week period which occurred 2-5 months after exposure. After this period, none showed any further clinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study. So these are proven, clinically sick Lyme patients showing spontaneous recovery without the benefit of drug treatment. Of course, observations longer than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn't have the same chronicity that some see in humans. 2) The addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine. Of course, they want the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine efficacy. Anyway, maybe we will see some independent, scientifically sound evaluations of this vaccine in the next year or so. -- Jeff Parke <jeffp@pgavin1.vetmed.wsu.edu> also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994 Pullman, WA 99164-7012
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In article <1qll56INNp9r@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes: |> From article <eabu288-140493210752@dialin33635.slip.nts.uci.edu>, by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin): |> > |> > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994? |> |> --Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters |> in the not-too-distant future? |> Makes sense, since the new Mercedes Benz engines go from 2.2L-4 to a 2.8L-6. Nothing in between. BTW, I beleive the numbers on those MB engines are 156 and 225 hp respectively. The one-upmanship in hp might induce BMW to create a larger six. Also, the 2.6 190E has lagged behind the 3-er 2.5 for some time wrt hp. I am sure the Bavarians wouldn't want to be "shown-up" by the Schwabians. PS- those MB engines haven't been released over here yet. daniel
7rec.autos
We have been shipping for over one year the Adobe Display PostScript (DPS) on Silicon Graphics workstations, file servers, and supercomputers. The Adobe Illustrator 3.5 for Silicon Graphics machines was released last February. Adobe and SGI announced last October that Photoshop will be available on SGI systems in 1993. Initial release will support 24-bit color graphics. Ivan Bach, ib@sgi.com Disclaimer: I do not speak for my employer.
1comp.graphics
Is it going to be possible to upgrade a C610 to Tempest? If so, how...motherboard switch? Probably gonna be expensive right? DT
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <1993Apr28.171915.5013@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: |> In <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes: |> |> >rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes: |> |> >>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the |> >>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land |> >>with that much weight in the payload. |> |> >Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ??? |> |> I can't speak to sheer mass, but part of the problem is that HST |> wasn't built to ever be brought back down. It's not built for those |> kinds of 'jolt' forces and there is no support cradle for it (which is |> additional weight that would be required. Just to throw it out there: The mass of the telescope is 11,600 kg (25,500 lb). I do not know what Space lab weighs, but I believe it is less. Can anyone verify?? Also, remember that weight was not the only concern, as many others have noted, just one possible concern. I was responding to a statement that if you can boost it, why can't you land it. Those are too different problems. ROB -- =========================================================================== | Rob Douglas | SPACE | 3700 San Martin Drive | | AI Software Engineer | TELESCOPE | Baltimore, MD 21218, USA | | Advance Planning Systems Branch | SCIENCE | Phone: (410) 338-4497 | | Internet: rdouglas@stsci.edu | INSTITUTE | Fax: (410) 338-1592 | =========================================================================== Disclaimer-type-thingie>>>>> These opinions are mine! Unless of course they fall under the standard intellectual property guidelines. But with my intellect, I doubt it. Besides, if it was useful intellectual property, do you think I would type it in here? -- =========================================================================== | Rob Douglas | SPACE | 3700 San Martin Drive | | AI Software Engineer | TELESCOPE | Baltimore, MD 21218, USA | | Advance Planning Systems Branch | SCIENCE | Phone: (410) 338-4497 |
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In <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> "Casper C. Knies" <ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> writes: >Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes: >#In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >#(John W. Redelfs) writes: >#|> >#|> Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who >#|> is next? The Mormons or Jews? ># >#Give me a break. If the Mormons fortified Utah and armed it to the teeth, >#and were involved in illegal activity, then they deserve whatever they get. ># ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ >#You are making a ludicrous suggestion. >As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous... I don't think it's too far off of the mark, either. No one 'deserves' what they get. Punishment is for the justice system (flawed as it may be). This whole 'well it served the idiots right' mentality is nothing but a revenge mentality, and my opinion is that "revenge is for children and the emotionally retarded" (Frank Herbert, 'Dune' series). >Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri, >governor Boggs, issued his so-called "Mormon extermination order." The >only crime ("illegal activity") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was >their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still >allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri. Well... every group has a somewhat selective memory of it's past. Even the protestants who look to Martin Luther for starting the whole movement conveniently forget his diatribes telling nobles to slaughter the peasants who rebelled against unjust conditions. >I guess the Mormons "got what they deserved," because they refused to bow >to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This "disobedience" >brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from >their lands and settlements... They stood up for what they believed in, and the people of the time hated them for that, and because they were different. Xenophobia has always been one of the strongest reasons for death and destruction. > [more about mormon oppression deleted..] > [...] when we tried to organize "soc.religion.mormon" and/or >"talk.religion.mormon," a whole bunch of "charitable" believers effectively >blocked our intent to create a group to discuss topics related to Mormonism >et al in an appropriate forum. We really must be a "threat" to various >establishments... Anyone who's confident in what they believe should not have a problem listening to dissenting points of view... It's something called 'free speech', which radicals usually push aside in favour of doing what's 'right'. > Frustrating our legitimate rights for proper representa- >tion also belongs in the category of persecution. It is ironic that those >who oppose us, point to all kinds of "justifications" to do so, despite >their claims of adhering to a gospel of love... Ahh... I agree with that most strongly. Who cares about 'claims'?? All I want to see are actions. If you act like you hate me, you probably do, all pie-in-the-sky religious affiliations to the contrary. >Lest anyone believe I do not believe in government: I do, but NOT without >questioning the wisdom and constitutionality of their decisions and >resolves. Yes! Most people don't realize that it's NOT some 'government' sitting in a far-away magical land that makes decisions, it's people. And those people make mistakes like any human. Questioning the government in everything it says and does should be one of our most fundamental rights. > [...] The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society. Until this all settles, I'm not sure anyone can make that sort of blanket statement. Sure, they may have been quiet peace-loving people who just happened to be armed to the teeth, but who knows what David Koresh had planned? >#Please explain. I do not remember Jews or Mormons (as a group) overtly >#breaking a judicious (a.k.a. non-Nazi) law and being punished for it. >Read-Your-History. It HAS happened (as explained above in some detail), >and will undoubtedly happen again. Indeed, WHO IS NEXT. So-called "Illegal >activities" can be twisted and bend to suit anyone's need, including the >agendas of secular authorities... You don't even have to break laws to get punished, as I'm sure many people have found out. What about the drug laws that permit the police to seize any suspect goods? And some grandmother travels with $30,000 in cash in her handbag, (doesn't trust the banks), it falls open, and the police end up confiscating it? This is not an isolated case, either. Or laws to stop companies from making look-alike Ford/GM car parts, and selling them as the real thing? The first people that got raided were antique companies who made 'real GM' parts for 1930's cars. All I'm saying is that it should NOT be assumed that someone is inherently evil/etc when the government decides to nail them. It's the people who blindy believe that the government does the best in everything for them who are _really_ dangerous. Alan DeKok. Reply-To: ALAND@physics.carleton.ca
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In article <1t851o$mrd@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr) writes: >benj@ossa.hq.nasa.gov (Benjamin Jones) writes: > >>I've run into a bit of a snag while trying to get Mac X up and running and would appreciate >> >> stuff deleted >> >>are NOT on my local net here, but the above problem holds true for non-local Suns as well. > >I tried to send this as private mail, but mail to benj@ossa.hq.nasa.gov was >rejected, so here it is: same here > >Here is an extract from the README file that comes with MacX: > >Users of remote commands with Sun machines may find that their remote commands >appear to do nothing and there is no output from the Sun machine. This is due >to a feature of the Sun rexecd network daemon which quietly disconnects from >requesting machines that are not known to the Sun|s network address (/etc/hosts >or NIS hosts) database. To successfully use remote commands with a SunOS-based >machine, there must be an entry in the network address database for the >Macintosh which is running MacX. > I received similar information/advice about what appears to be the same problem Benjamin has (and I still have). NIS has all the information about the Macs (I even put explicit entries in /etc/hosts to no avail). Monitoring with 'snoop' on my Classic, the initial REXEC packet is sent to the the SUN, which sends something to the correct Mac, but nothing appears at the Mac. 'rexecd' is number one suspect, but it's more suble than the README suggests and I haven't yet looked into it further. >-- > >Stan Kerr >Computing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana >Phone: 217-333-5217 Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu -- callum.downie@brunel.ac.uk Faculty of Technology, Brunel University, Uxbridge, UB8 3PH, UK +44 895 274000 x2730 4.003 Die meisten Saetze und Fragen, welche ueber philosophische Dinge geschrieben worden sind, sind nicht falsch, sondern unsinnig. 7 Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darueber muss man schweigen.
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In article <C5y746.73K@vcd.hp.com> johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >Thats one problem that has so far been overlooked. These two escrow >agencies will have to create a secure database and service the >input and output of Keys. Who pays for this? If they refuse an >illegal request from some congressman to deliver a key can their >budget by cut to punish them? Will congress be forced to fund >them forever? > The easiest way is a user fee for each clipper chip manufactured. This makes the funding separate from government. It also has the neat side property that if the chip doesn't catch on, the scheme breaks down, and the government is back to the drawing boards, assuming that they haven't prohibited alternatives in the meantime. In fact, maybe this should be part of the "official" system. Before the government is allowed to move this past the "experimental" stage, they should have to demonstrate economic viability by mass adoption. The government is very fond of demonstration projects proving feasibility in the use of government funds for social programs--they should have to make a similar feasibility demonstration (on economic viability cum acceptance terms) for this baby as well. Let's put it to the only vote that counts--a marketplace vote among those who have to pay for it. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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Which Version of the Bible do you consider to be the most accurate translation?
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In article <1993Apr21.234159.1206@ualr.edu> NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) writes: >> When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question? >> In paraphrase: >> On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they >> are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not >> accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion >> in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is >> the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver? >OK, here's at least one Christian's answer: >Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian. In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes >sense. Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or >the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill." Jesus lived >under the Jewish law. However, He was the culmination of the promises >of the Prophets. He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey >God's purposes. >Verse 18 says "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass >away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, >until all is accomplished." The key to this verse IMHO is the last >phrase. Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, "accomplished" what the >Law was supposed to accomplish. Jesus did not say that he was the fulfillment of the Law, and, unless I'm mistaken, heaven and earth have not yet passed away. Am I mistaken? And, even assuming that one can just gloss over that portion of the word of Jesus, do you really think that "all is accomplished?" >Verse 19: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, >and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; >but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the >kingdom of heaven." Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish >people about living lives under the law, this makes sense. Then why didn't Jesus say "Any Jew who annuls ..." in v. 19? Are you saying that all of Jesus' recorded words mean nothing to Gentiles? Are you really saying that Jesus only spoke for and to the Jews? Jesus didn't mention your name, does that mean he wasn't speaking to you? When you read the words of Jesus, do you think he is speaking to someone other than you? >In general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he >must have received about "doing away with the Law." That was not >Jesus' intent at all. You said above that Jesus was the "fulfillment" of the Law. Are you saying that does not mean "doing away with the Law"? >He had come to earth to live the Law as it >should be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his >people all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your >heel, but *He* will bruise his head.] Gen3:15(JPS) I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; they shall strike at your head, and you shall strike at their heel. Gen3:15(NRSV) I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." Gen3:15(KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Looks like your translation has taken a few liberties with the Word? >Jesus appeared to be "doing away with the Law" >because he did not honor the traditions of men as >equal to the Law of God. He regularly locked horns with the religious >leaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only >God's Law. >In the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law >and defending himself against his accusors. Almost the entire Sermon >on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people >understand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which >had been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions. Only "helping the Jewish people?" >In Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the >Law in this way: >[23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being >shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [24] Therefore >the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be >justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no >longer under a tutor. [26] For you are all sons of God through faith >in Christ Jesus. >I believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had >served it's purpose, i.e. "our tutor to lead us to Christ," and >now, "we are no longer under a tutor." The law has been "fulfilled" >as Christ said he would do. You are using your interpretation of Paul as an argument against the clear words of Jesus? >God, the author of the old Law, and the Christ/Man, Jesus, are the same >personality. Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the "last >will and testament" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles. >It makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are >re-expressed in Christianity. "Re-expressed?" Care to define that a bit better? >On the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and What? Are heaven and earth gone away? Where did they go? Is all accomplished, for example Revelations? Explain please. >Christians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes >sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to >represent the "mysteries" of this new relationship. i.e. Baptism >representing Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8), >The Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and >Sunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff, >Acts 20:7) Again, your interpretation of Paul versus the clear word of Jesus. Do you see any problems here? When did heaven and earth go away? When was all accomplished? >OK, That's one Christian's explanation. I don't claim to have all >these issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome >other Christians to offer other alternatives. >Please excuse the long posting. Thanks for your interest if you have read >this far...
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It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died of a heart attack in Ankara. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
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Could someone point me toward a source (FTP/BBS/whatever) for development tools for the 8051 microprocessor. I specifically am looking for a Macintosh cross-assembler/disassembler. Also, is there a mailing-list dedicated to discussing the 8051? Thanks. -- ________________________________________________________________________________ james speth email for pgp compatible public-key speth@cats.ucsc.edu
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Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac? (Max throughput, etc.) Kurt Tiedtke ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu Please email. Thanks!
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I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of the Harleys is going. 1988 883 XLHD ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-) 4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns, tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE high-flow air cleaner dark candy red $3700 --- Jeff deRienzo jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us
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>Paul Conditt writes: >>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when >>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and >>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other >>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through >>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus... Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes: >The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is "obvious"ly wrong to >be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry >which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us >for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was "forgive >them Father, they know not what they do." ... I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God accepts us. It seems that Paul's anger he has accepted and channeled it to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those afflicted with a disease and to reach out to others. Give in? Calling his arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action because of fear to give others a bad feeling, he's not forgiving? Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to his anger. Joe Moore
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dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ... >I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for >crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the >following (from 1st to 6th): > 486 68040 > 386 68030 > 286 68020 040 486 030 386 020 286 >While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: > 68060 > Pentium > PowerPC 060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC somewhere in the vicinity. >And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the >overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: > 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed. Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs. And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock speed as is the 68030. -- Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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Deleted: vast quantities of carefully-annoted spew from "David Koresh" I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Mr. Tice needs a hobby. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * "One Step Beyond" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * "You'll pay to know what you *really* think!" * * -- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs" * ************************************************************
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ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes: >u9263012@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Walker Andrew John) writes: > Also,if they did come from the Oort cloud we would expect to > see the same from other stars Oort Clouds. >That's a very good point. Perhaps none of the nearby stars have Oort >clouds? Alpha-centauri is a multiple-star system; you wouldn't expect >an Oort cloud in it. Sure about that? Maybe Proxima might cause problems, but at Oort Cloud distances AC a and AC b together look like a point source. Besides, even the solar system's Oort cloud is unstable over geologic time, right, and needs to be replentished from somewhere else, like the short period comets of the Kupier Belt? (Or maybe I'm misremembering something I read or heard somewhere...) > What's the nearest single-star that is likely to >have a planetary system? Until we're able to perform a broad-band survey of nearby stars to detect planets, we won't know enough to say whether or not a single star has planets. And we're likely to find out about the close ones first. Heck, if neutron stars can have planets, anything can have planets. (Or was that discovery disconfirmed?) -- Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
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Cyrix have released a 386 pin-conpatible 486 clone. Designed to upgrade old 16 & 20MHz 386's the chips are also clockdoubling. Thus a 16MHz 386 can be transformed into a 32MHz 486, with a single chip upgrade. Unfortunately in Australia the DRu2 sells for $700A (16MHz) and $1000A (20MHz), about 1.5x the price of a 486dx33 motherboard with two vlb slots!!! How much do these thing cost in the States? How well do they work? Thanks for any info, Steven Pemberton \o/ 486 NoteBook ------------------------------- | ---------------------------- sjp@ogre.apana.org.au / \ OS/2 2.0
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In article <C6x81M.EJF@news.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes: >Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, >in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world >war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of I don't have the faintest idea what literature it is to which you refer. Is this an explicit statement by some document? Or is it your interpretation of statements in such literature? Or is this a figment of your imagination or a Nazi Armenian propaganda movie script? In any case, a fascinating piece of analysis. Here are the facts: Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation." New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980. This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: a) Dro (the butcher), the former dictator of x-Soviet Armenia and the architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslims, the most respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional Republic in Berlin during World War II; b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 30,000 members which fought side by side with the Wehrmacht. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had grown into eight battalions of 30,000-strong under the command of Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of x-Soviet Armenia and the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination of the Jews. This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Muslims by colluding with the invading Russian army. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: >:Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key >: itself" >:You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright; >: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of >: copyrighted Peanuts strips."" >:Judge and CP: "Oh." >: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or >:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will >:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? > >Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment >like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and >then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the >same trail. No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California on charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government on depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime. The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial. Ollie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate hearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on criminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's immunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at least someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it was a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the reasons this ON is still walking around free today. Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org
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In article 735508147@beryllium, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes: > >Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what? Even three and four >year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully >any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-) I think you just answered your own question... --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
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In article <ragraca.735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >I have ever seen in hockey, I'm not as impressed with his abilities as >a bench coach or in general as a motivator. With the amount of talent he >has on this team, he should have blown away everyone in the Norris. There >is not another team in the Norris, maybe even in the Campbell conference, >that can hold a candle to Detroit on paper in terms of pure talent. But, >some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year. Scotty >Bowman, on the other hand, who has won (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) >nine (9) stanley cups, is an outstanding coach, and I think he could >outcoach Murray if they faced each other. > Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... that would hardly rank him as the best GM. Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM... Gerald
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In article <stephens.737384293@ngis> stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) writes: |had.' and went on to mention that in aviation if you are found |with an adjustable spanner in your tool box you can be fired. An |adjustable spanner by trying to fit all nuts, fits none of them |properly, and so damages all of them. In the demanding environment of |the air the adjustable wrench is rightly considered a lethal instrument. Dave, What i recall from air craft maintence. Torqque and safety wires or cotters were more important, then if some bolt face were nicked up. If it was in bad shape you replaced it with another $30, aircraft grade bolt. I can see adjustable spanners eating up profit, but lives? pat
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A few days ago, my powerbook starts to freeze after appr. 18 seconds of inactivity. It stays alive as long as a program is actively running or as long as the mouse is moved. Did anyone experience similar problems? Any known fixes? Please reply by email as I can't read this newsgroup normally. Regards, Mike Fisher (efisher@ntu.ac.sg) -- --------------------------------------------------- Frank Siebenlist <franks@ntu.ac.sg> Senior Research Fellow GINTIC Institute of Manufacturing Technology (GIMT) Nanyang Technological University (NTU) Nanyang Avenue Singapore 2263 Tel: +65 799-1215 Fax: +65 791-6377 ---------------------------------------------------
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In <1993Apr18.073540.6871@hubcap.clemson.edu> jwodzia@dlite.uucp (john wodziak) writes: >Sorry Roger but Mr Basketbal should what he really means here. IE he should >have said that he hopes "fans in the _American_ Southeast can follow the >names of the divisions." The odds that these people other than those who >are displaced "Notherners" (who are probably already fans) is on the order >of the proverbial snowball's in hell. I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here. If you asked somone, who had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in the Smythe division what do you think that the response would be? What if you asked this person if LA played in the West division? The naming of divisions after long-dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary obfuscation. >>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >>"builders" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >>in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >>who deserve it. >Yes these people deserve recognigtion as hockey greats but the old division >names took into account Messers Patrick, Norris, Smythe and the Prince who >had alot more to do with the ORIGINS of the league than people who came into >an already established situation. It is much easier to be an element of change Hardly. The "established" situation existed prior to Smythe, et al. The Stanley Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team could successfully mount the challenge. What our dear founders did was formalize the challenge. They created a closed league, an oligop- olistic professional system, in the interests of making money. Wheth- er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly debatable. We are, however, stuck with their invention and that de- bate is academic. The point to be made, however, is that people played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before Smythe and his pals showed up. >or a standout in an existing situation than it is to be someone who creates >a new situation. If you want to honor players like Bobby Orr than I'm sure >you can find a reason to name a torphy after him such as best offensive >defenseman. What's wrong with best defenceman, period? Was there ever a better defenceman? Was there ever a better player? And if you think that Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow more significant than Bobby Orr's then, in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll and find out how many people know who Norris was? But you don't have to, do you? >No I can't for the reasons I gave above. I'm in the same boat as Jason and I >grew up with the current divisonal names and learned them when I was about >10 years old and who played in what division. If a 10 year old _American_ >can learn this why would it be hard for an "Occasional Fan" to pick up >on who plays in what division? So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to remember that Vancouver plays in the West division? (Or Pacific, or whatever other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.) >>Oh. Now I see your point. Your intention has been to alert us to the erosion >>of purity. I'll bet you like hockey because it's, for the most part, played >>by whites of European extraction. >Probably not. In my case I'm sure of this. What you said would be like me >saying that All Maple Leafs fans are as biased, closed minded, ignorant, And of course you neatly deleted Jason's jingoistic rant about the game losing its "Canadianization". Quoting me out of context does more to erode your credibility than it does mine. My position is clearly progressive and is anything but "biased, closed minded, ig- norant". Arrogant, I will grant you. >arrogant, and moronic as you. Just because someone A) doesn't like what >Mr Basketball is doing, B) voices their opinion. and C) Likes the senerio of >you going to Antartica does not mean that you have the right to insult them. Nice try John. But for a flame to be truly effective you have to display at least enough intelligence to earn your target's respect. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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It just received FDA approval a few months ago. I have a prescription which I haven't had to use yet. I believe the company [Glaxol] is developing an oral form. At this stage, one must inject the drug into one's muscle. The doctor said that within 30 minutes, the migraine is gone for good!
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In article <rdippold.735426379@qualcom> (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes: ... > The only thing that worries me is that 2:1 compression - the > SoundBlaster can do it automatically in hardware, but other than that > I don't have a good feel for how processor intensive it is, so I can't > estimate how fast a PC you'd need. There's a better way. Doesn't Qualcom have a secure design that it decided not to market? Since they aren't going to use it, wouldn't the patriotic thing be to put the design in the public domain? How about selling a "Cryptography Educational Kit" with the critical parts? Something that could end up as a PC option board with two phone jacks? Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | marc@tanda.isis.org Automation Architect | CIS:71441,2226 R.R.1, Oxford Mills, Ontario, Canada | NC FreeNet: aa185 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQBNAiqxYTkAAAECALfeHYp0yC80s1ScFvJSpj5eSCAO+hihtneFrrn+vuEcSavh AAUwpIUGyV2N8n+lFTPnnLc42Ms+c8PJUPYKVI8ABRG0I01hcmMgVGhpYmF1bHQg PG1hcmNAdGFuZGEuaXNpcy5vcmc+ =HLnv -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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In article <Apr.12.03.42.49.1993.18778@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ >paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. > >Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. >Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. > > One of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is their belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being brought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God the Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father usually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both a masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find sorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible for a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat each other. -- Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu ****************************************************************** YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK! ******************************************************************
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In article <C5KzLs.KKB@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > The LC family of Macs can only > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the difference is between PDS and Nubus? Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for this? -- O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS
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In article <1r8esd$lrh@agate.berkeley.edu> isaackuo@skippy.berkeley.edu wrote: > Are breathable liquids possible? > > I remember seeing an old Nova or The Nature of Things where this idea was > touched upon (it might have been some other TV show). If nothing else, I know > such liquids ARE possible because... > > They showed a large glass full of this liquid, and put a white mouse (rat?) in > it. Since the liquid was not dense, the mouse would float, so it was held down > by tongs clutching its tail. The thing struggled quite a bit, but it was > certainly held down long enough so that it was breathing the liquid. It never > did slow down in its frantic attempts to swim to the top. > > Now, this may not have been the most humane of demonstrations, but it certainly > shows breathable liquids can be made. > -- > *Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * ___ > * * _____/_o_\_____ > * Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig, *(==(/_______\)==) > * Keep it less than 5 lines big. * \==\/ \/==/ This was on "That's Incredible" several years ago. The volume of liquid the rat had to breath was considerably smaller than what a human would have to breath, so maybe it is possible for a rat but not a human. DaveTheRave
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Doug Ward writes: >I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received >the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper >drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with >this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu >Thank you >Doug Ward If you want to get them and get them now (also the most up to date) use the BBS at 1-408-439-9096. They may take an hour to download so do it when rates are low. Yeah, I know it costs but locking up your system gets old quick. Maybe someone has them on the net. I've got the Stealth drivers. David
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I need a complete list of all the polygons that there are, in order. I'll summarize to the net. -------------------------------------------------------- "If only I had been compiled with the '-g' option." ---------------------------------------------------------
1comp.graphics
What are you stupid? --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo
17talk.politics.mideast
In article <1rdlsf$vi@agate.berkeley.edu>, isaackuo@skippy.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) writes: =Hmm. The police strategy of bursting in with weapons drawn, clearly marked as =officers and yelling "Police" repeatedly. This is used every day to bust drug =houses. The idea is to awe the suspects into submission with surprise and =display of firepowere in order to avoid a gun fight. As for not knocking, it's =a sad necessity in many cases since the suspects will attempt to escape or even =fight. Usually this strategy works; if it didn't, then it wouldn't be used so =commonly, now would it? How often is it used when the convoy carrying the brigade is visible for miles before it reaches the place that's to be searched? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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In article <C5LIHI.389@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes: > > I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS > Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday > April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate > points. > > 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of > misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the > program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: > > - It was alleged that:" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological > advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of > change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. "! > These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives > of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology > in Iran after revolution. > > -Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors > while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen > Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in > contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and > civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons. > > - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi > aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most > radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total > of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million > dead left from the war. > > - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For > example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: " It hurts me to > see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda." The > translator says: " It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly > research."! > > 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought > by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to > undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's > big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in > near future and its current deficit in electrical power. > > 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of > Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the > program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed > society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account > the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its > potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the > lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries > to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones > in scientific and industrial efforts. > > 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as > much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from > Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited > by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's > reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear > activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build > nuclear weapons! > > 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the > program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, > William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking > from the absolute knowledge! > > I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their > country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to > their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs > and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. > > >Mohammad > > > [*] International Atomic Energy Agency > >. >. This show is just part of the American propaganda against any government run by Muslims (Iran, Sudan, Algeria (remember democracy?) Pakistan, Palestine (sorry, Occupied Territories), and many others. We must stop this idea that a government which does not fully agree with American policies is not evil and dangerous as the media attempts to portray it. Steve
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In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes: >Folks, >I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project. >Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial >capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man, >Raising Arizona, etc). >Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated. >(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary) Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday (Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers). I think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *
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In article <1r9dd7INNqfk@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: >scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (scharle) writes: >> For your information, I checked the Library of Congress catalog, >>and they list the following books by Francis Hitching: > >I believe I've just discovered an anthopological parallel. In my many >"discussions" with the fundies, their main tactic is to discredit >my sources. They shrilly bleat: [..] Possibly the parallel just stems from your tending to use bad sources... Anyway, don't you think that similarity is rather shallow? You're only looking at the surface, at the way of argumentation. And now you should perhaps go a little deeper and try to find the difference, for example, find out whether you can find real science done by Hitching. If you can't, will you then admit that your attempt at quoting an authority has backfired? -- thomas kettenring, 3 dan, kaiserslautern, germany Johannes Scotus Eriugena, the greatest European philosopher of the 9th century, said that if reason and authority conflict, reason should be given preference. And if that doesn't sound reasonable to you, you'll just have to accept it...
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In article <22APR93.20491028@enh.nist.gov>, thacker@enh.nist.gov writes: > Has anyone had experience buying computers from Comtrade? When I asked about > TC, I got one reply describing problems returning a defective hard drive. > Should I expect any problems from Comtrade? > > Thanks, > > Carlisle Thacker > Miami FL I purchased one personal computer and three for business from them. No problems. The only time I called tech support was for a minor question about a video driver and I had no problem getting through. All four machines seem to be high quality and well made. A 486dx50 EISA machine has been our network file server running 24 hrs per day since last summer with no problems. I hope this is helpful. Allen Mulvey mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu
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In article <C5I6rK.L9I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis Syrimis) writes: [...} >>any concentration/labor camp in Turkey (around 1974 or >>later) for Cypriot Greeks (or any Greeks) rather than talking >>nonsense like above, I will be glad to read what they got. > >How can you be in a position to know about any kind of concentration camps >Akgun? Living through those days at the age of 20 and following the internal and external news gives me that knowledge and position. In 1974, Turkey had a democratic goverment and free press at that time. Forget about internal news agencies, I haven't heard anything from any international source about any concentration camps with Greek Cypriot prisoners in Turkey. However, I heard Adana POW camp. It was not secret and well recognized POW camp. > >As for all the registered prisoners to the Red Cross having returned to >their homes, this is your version of the story. There are cases in which >prisoners who were registered, some of them even sent messages to their >relatives, were not released. These are undeniable facts. I see, They vanished in Turkish labor camps. Turks have decided to acknowledge their existence first but later changed their minds releasing them. Is that it? What do you think happened to them? I thought that MIA's are only the subject of Rambo and Chuck Noris movies. Seems that I am wrong. > >As for their treatment being according to what convention...? >Okay we believe you. You don't need to belive me. Turkiye was never a clandestine state in its history, It has been a respected and continuous member of UN since the inception of UN. No body ever questioned the UN membership of Turkey because of what had happened in 1974a and after. Only a short lived arms embargo was imposed unilaterally by USA to satisfy the internal Greek loby. I know what you would say next. Let me answer it before wasting anytime. Yes! UN had a few condemning resolutions against Turkey because of handling the Cyprus problem, especially after the 1980 coup. Well, US and Israel had a few too. What can I say? I am sure during Athens Junta duruing 1960-74, Greeks had their own share too. >>closed matter today between Turkish Cypriots/Turks/Greeks/Greek >>Cypriots. There is no more any official demand from Greek >>Cypriots about any missing Greek Cypriots. > >Where have you heard that there is no official demand regarding the >missing persons? Have you looked at the latest UN agenda for Cyprus talks mediated by Gali? There was no issue whatsoever about any missing people among the negotiating parties. was there? I heard many times from Denktas interviews by Turkish and International press. He keeps saying that "This was no longer an issue for peace talks." Also, you don't want me fish for the Greek Cypriot politician's words (that Argic had posted zillion times) describing missing peoples as a Greek-Cypriot myth. Seems that there is a different opinions among Greek-Cypriots as well about missing people in Turkish custody. [..] >Your claim that the majority of the missing persons were infact killed >in the period between the coup d'eta and the invasion, 5 days, is simply >not true. All the cases of missing persons I know, and I know quite a >few, are cases of people who were either in the reserve forces and were lost >somewhere in the battlefield, or were civilians who were taken prisoners >in their villages by the turkish army. I am not claiming anything. I just told you what was given to Greek Cypriots as an answer by Turkish Goverment/Turkish Cypriots when they wanted to locate some of their own between July 15 and the final cease-fire in late August, 1974. This answer seems to satisfy the international community, the UN, and the Vasilu Goverment (since he did not make it an issue for the peace talks). Also, I am not aware of any UN condemnation against Turkey about any missing Greek-Cypriot. Are you? BTW, do you mean that Nicos Sampson had a bloodless coup d'eta and nobody got hurt in those events? > >As of the few photos which you refer to, there are more than a few. There are >photos not only of greek cypriot soldiers being "rounded up", but also others >in the prison camp in Turkey. Like I said before. There is even a different opinion among Greek-Cypriots for this myth. The officers in Turkish Army who governed the Adana POW camp must be hell of clever dudes to cover up their tracks 8-). I hope Turkish Army does't have same type of morons for the security of Turkiye. However, this must a good subject for a movie script. One should inform Oliver Stone about this. > >> Of course, not. The justice was served well. If and when the Bosnian >>pleas are answered, who's going to dare to ask what happens to those >>masterminds behind the ethnic cleansing idea. They are known today >>(as EOKA-B masterminds were known in 1974) to everybody and are doing >>it openly even giving TV interviews. It may take same time as it was >>for the EOKA-B case, however, the justice will be served again. > >Akgun, comparing the actions of the Serbians in Bosnian with the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >actions of ^^^^^^^^^^^ >Turkey in Cyprus is not something I would do if I were a Turk. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I thought >that the Serbians were the savages, the inhumane beasts etc etc. > >>C. Akgun > >Michalis Syrimis > If this is what you understood from the paragraph above, you better let your computer system administrator check the character conversion tables in your system. If yours are OK, I should inform mine 8-). C. Akgun
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arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article <930420.101210.8Y7.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew ><mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >>Would you like to argue that Western policies are, in fact, completely >>harmless to the people of the Third World? Or even beneficial? If so, star >>a thread about it. I can't imagine how you'll support the contention, but >>I'm happy to discuss it. > > This is sort of like asking an atheist "would you like to prove that God > doesn't exist"? Doubting something does not imply affirming the contrary. Funny, we've been here before. What was the issue last time? It is, of course, logically reasonable to doubt X even when you have no evidence of not-X. Carry on doubting everything you want. It is noticable to me, however, that you only ever seem to follow this course when you want to do so for the sake of an argument. mathew
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How come noone mentions Eric Hoffer when talking about fanatic behavior anymore? -- Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
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In article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes: |> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: |> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation |> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of |> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all |> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism |> : bandwagon.) |> |> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up? The most blatent |> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before |> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd. Sure, many |> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their |> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands |> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware). |> |> Rob Lanphier |> lanph872@uidaho.edu Do you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly classify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love one another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating all the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders of that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their sins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else. The enemy is Satan, not our fellow man. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :)
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In article <1rl9b6$h3c@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> russ@deakin.OZ.AU (Russ Sharp) writes: >We are using pkzip V2.04 and I am interested to hear from >people who have used one of the many Windows programs that >call these. >Is there a full windows version that does not call the DOS >PKZIP/PKUNZIP commands? >-- >Russ Sharp russ@deakin.edu.au ph (052)27 1141 fax (052)27 2015 \ / WinZip 4.0 (ftp.cica.indiana.edu:pub/pc/win3/(util?) ). It is a shell (it DOES call DOS ), but a very, very good one. It will also do arc, arj and lzh. It fully supports PKZIP 2.04 . Try using it... It might be a shell --very unobtrusive--, but that also means you dont need to update it with every every-other-letter-of-the-alphabet version of PKZIP... :) Hope it helps.... -- Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ Georgia Institute of Technology OIT UA -- OIT doesn't pay me enough to share its opinions... Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu
2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly) writes: >Someone mentioned a while ago that the Duos were scheduled for a >10-18% price reduction, according to 'newsbytes'. Is this definite? >Does anyone know when it will take effect? And what is 'newsbytes'? >Thanks. Hi, I posted that article. Unfortunately I haven't seen any further notice of it. They advertize cheaper Duo's at the U here for next wek. According to the articel though, the price cut had to be effective the same day. newsbyte is a group of news like clarinet. Peter
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
In article <1993May17.085405.7807@eua.ericsson.se> tvtjet@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Eriksson) writes: Are there any widgets, function librarys for drawing networks, graphs etc ? (Not tree views) Freeware, shareware, comercial... Like this, for instance: [ pretty picture deleted ] * Just by giving the associations between the nodes. Automatic layout generation. * It would be nice if any node symbols could be used. Maybe even to insert widgets as nodes. * Using different line styles etc. for describing associations. Check out the XmGraph library in the following location: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu:/comp.hp/GUI_classic/XmGraph.tar.Z. -- Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com)
5comp.windows.x
For a SIZE 9 wedding dress with lots of beads, inquire at 801-269-1157 MST (Utah). $9OO paid; asking $45O.
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In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes: > Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib > Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development > for X applications in an NT environment. Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral." Quote by Freire. Poster by OXFAM.
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> Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or > HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. Yes, I do. A couple of years ago, I did a comparison of the two products. Some of this may have changed, but here goes. As far as a PHIGS+ implementation, Figaro+ is fine. But, its PHIGS! Personally, I hate PHIGS because I find it is too low level. I also dislike structure editing, which I find impossible, but enough about PHIGS. I have found HOOPS to be a system that is full-featured and easy to use. They support all of their rendering methods in software when there is no hardware support, their documentation is good, and they are easily portable to other systems. I would be happy to elaborate further if you have more specific questions. -- |------------------------------------------------------| ~~~ Here's lookin' at ya. ~~_ _~~ |`O-@'| Bill | wlm@wisdom.attmail.com @| > |@ Phone: (216) 831-2880 x2002 |\___/| |_____| |______________________________________________________|
1comp.graphics
In article <May.11.02.38.52.1993.28313@athos.rutgers.edu> hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >In article <May.9.05.40.36.1993.27495@athos.rutgers.edu> koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: >>Hmmm...in the old testament story about the tower of Babel, we see how >>God PUNISHED by giving us different language. Can we assume then that >>if angels have their own language at all, that they have the SAME one >>amongst other angels? After all, THEY were not punished in any manner. > >If the languages we sepak are the result of Babel, then it stands to >reason that angels would speak a different language from us. You do >have a valid point about multiple angelic languages. But angelic >beings maybe of different species so to speak. maybe different species >communicate differently. I don't know either. Truth be known, so little is known of angels to even guess. All we really know is that angels ALWAYS speak in the nativ tongue of the person they're talking to, so perhaps they don't have ANY language of their own. >>Trouble is, while such stories abound, any and all attempts at >>verification (and we are to test the spirit...) either show that >>the witness had no real idea of the circumstances, or that outright >>fabrication was involved. The Brother Puka story in a previous post >>seems like a "friend of a friend" thing. And linguistically, a two >>syllable word hardly qualifies as language, inflection or no. > >I have heard an eyewitness account, myself. Such things are hard to prove. >They don't lend themselves to a laboratory thing very well. I don';t >know if it is a very holy thing to take gifts into a laboratory anyway. Well, we are told to test the spirits. While you could do this scripturally, to see if someones claims are backed by the bible, I see nothing wrong with making sure that that guy Lazarus really was dead and now he's alive. >>Much as many faith healers have trouble proving their "victories" (since >>most ailments "cured" are just plain unprovable) and modern day >>ressurrections have never been validated, so is it true that no >>modern day xenoglossolalia has been proved by clergy OR lay. > >That's an unprovable statement. How can you prove if somethings been proved? >There is no way to know that you've seen all the evidence. Once I >saw an orthodontists records complete with photographs showing how one of >his patients severe underbite was cured by constant prayer. It's a common fallacy you commit. The non-falsifiability trick. How can I prove it when not all the evidence may be seen? Answer: I can't. The fallacy is in assuming that it is up to me to prove anything. When I say it has never been proven, I'm talking about the ones making the claims, not the skeptics, who are doing the proving. The burden of proof rest with the claimant. Unfortunately, (pontification warning) our legal system seems to be headed in the dangerous realm of making people prove their innocence (end pontification). But truthfully, Corinthians was so poorly written (or maybe just so poorly translated into English) that much remains unknown about just what Paul really intended (despite claims of hard proof one way or another). Some will see his writings in 1 cor 12-14 as saying don't do this don't do this and using sarcasm, metaphor, etc. while yet others take what he says literally sarcasms and metaphors notwithstanding. Me? When I read 1 Cor 14 about praying/speaking in tongues regarding building oneself/the church, I see him using compare/contrast, saying do this because it build the church, while doing this builds onself (implying don't do that). It's a common usage of writing that we all employ, and it is easily seen how it COULD be interpreted this way. Why some do and some don't is a mystery.
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In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes: > >It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics. If the >counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find >the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in, >and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have >to know what the conventions are for low and high). It might be a little more >involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET. >All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using >a "translation table" stored in ROM. > Nobody is using discrete IC's to do these functions anymore if at all. I doubt any of the Motor electronics had any to start with. ...Much less TTL. I can almost guarantee that it'll a fruitless attempt to figure out how BMW does it without breaking anything and invalidating any warranty on the car. If you're lucky, you'd still be able to start the car.
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In article <93059@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) writes: [Stuff deleted] > >more on permenent swap files... > >i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk >has seen the message "you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested >size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this >swap file anyway" or something like that. > >well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. >what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and >divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block >of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. > >They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows >uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he >said! > >I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is >available to me if it's not going to use it? > >any takers? > >James Well, someone at Microsoft told you wrong. Windows will use a swap file larger than the recommended size. Last summer I went to a Microsoft Windows 3.1 Technical Workshop and they distributed A LOT of information that the general public might not be aware of. Anyway in the main book they handed out they have a section on "Creating larger than recommended swapfile". I'll quote the information If you create a permanent swapfile larger than the recommended size, you will receive a message telling you that Windows will not use anything larger than the recommended size. THIS ERROR MESSAGE IS INCORRECT, we will allow the use of the larger swapfile, up to four times the amount of RAM on your machine. So as you see, Microsoft does know that the information is incorrect. You probably just ran into some doofball who was new on the job and was only telling you what little he knew. Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130. That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself I sprang for Word. Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone will go to a workshop and save a little money. And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products. I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-) Thanks, Brent Casavant bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
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In article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >In <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: > >>Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company >>that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took >>hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, >>so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. > >So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. >The article didn't say anything about copyrights. (1) No explicit (c) is necessary. If it the image is attributed to the Geosphere Company, then there is a likelihood permission is has been given to reprint. (2) Unlikely that the owner can or will go after individuals. However, "interesting" images do make their way into ads and computer demos. That is when a pirate might get some flak. This image is considered so "interesting" that many people would like to use it whenever some global map is needed, so there is lots of temptation. (3) One mail person said since the source data- satellite imagery- is not copyrighted, then the derived image can't be. Not true. A new, distinctive, creative expression of the data can be protected. This image is certainly fits such, since NO ONE ELSE has taken the tremendous effort to re-create it themselves. Precedent is a recent telephone book court case. Ma Bell tried to copyright the data in their books and prevent competitors from copying it (there are trick entries in the book). But the court only permitted copyright of the expression of the data, and not the data themselves. (You cant xerox and sell the telephone book.) (4) There will be more attention to digital copyrights in the future and computer becomes a mass product and moguls such as Bill Gates are currently hoarding the digital copyrights. (5) I'd prefer that Geosphere put this data in the public domain because it is very interesting to me and others, but that's the way things are.
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In article <ashok.653.0@biochemistry.cwru.edu> ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: > >>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? >>I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access >>our token ring (results in invalid class error :( > >While I do not speak for Peter Tattam, I am fairly sure he is planning a >Winsock compliant version. While this will definitely not make the initial >public release of WinTrumpet, it will follow on shortly thereafter. > >Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent >product, with several features beyond the DOS version. > >WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to >packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. > >Ashok Ashok, Is WinTrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp? *=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* | James R. Garven | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Dept. of Finance, CBA 3.250 Voice: (512) 471-6557 | | Graduate School of Business Fax: (512) 471-5073 | | University of Texas Internet: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu | | Austin, TX 78712, U.S.A. BITNET: Garven@UTXVM.BITNET | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | "Education is ... hanging on until you've caught on" - Robert Frost | *=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=*
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Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job would be appreciated Thanks gwyn
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In article <bmyers-140493201843@slip-x27.ots.utexas.edu> bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Lee Myers, Jr.) writes: >...the last time I looked, floptical disk >weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60 >per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte). Flopticals have been available since the beginning of the year at $25 per floptical (= $1.20 per megabyte), and I have seen them advertised in MacWEEK at $20 (< $1.00 per megabyte). For someone on a tight budget, the fact that the minimal dollar increment for more storage is less---$25 versus $60---sometimes matters.
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brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >Kent, with regards to the information contained in the Bible (which >is the original context of this thread), Brian Kendig is inside a huge >wall. Brian *IS* inside. The Bible and the information contained therein >are outside the wall. Um, I think you and the Bible are the ones inside the wall. There's a really wonderful world out here. You really should peek out at it sometime. The silly things you keep saying only reinforce the fact that we *are* on opposite sides of a very high wall. I see how incredibly beautiful things are on my side, and I only keep telling you about it because I'd like to you come join me here. >Brian Kendig proves this very sad fact by the >absurd things he says. For example, "If I get through into the firey >pit, I will cease to exist." I never said that. I said that I would PREFER to cease to exist than to be tossed into any god's version of Hell. >I am proposing to Brian, "Brian, come up here >and take a look from this vantage point." But Brian replies, "I rather >not thank you. I am content where I am. Besides, the vista from up >there stinks." And in the meanwhile, Brian ignores the facts that >he has never up there nor does he realize I had shared the same >plateau where Brian now stands. You say to me, "Brian, come up here and take a look from this vantage point." But you're in a valley, looking at a crayon drawing of a sun and a tree, and I can't for the life of me figure out why you're so immersed in it. *I*'m the one trying to get you to come up HERE, don't you see? -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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Joe Buehler writes: >There are various explanations for her reaction to the angel's >greeting. One is that she grasped what the angel was getting at, that >she was to be the mother of the Messiah. And knew what this entailed, >all the suffering. This gave her a moment's pause. A priest I know gave me an interesting explanation. He said that the words of Mary point not to doubt or troubled thoughts, but rather to complete humbleness. Those who are humble and do not revel in themselves frequently are confused when given high praise about themselves, as Mary would rightly be.
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dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) once wrote: >> Microsoft is the largest software company on the planet, yet I cannot >> think of even *ONE* computing concept that they innovated and brought >> to market before anyone else. Xerox-PARC/Apple, Osborne, NeXT, GNU >> and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of >> computing. What has microsoft done to be a technological leader? I >> posted this question before, but I got nary a reply. I make the >> challenge now to anyone who can come up with something-especially >> Microsoft employees. I get no response this time, I guess it pretty >> much assures me that there is none--which is what I suspect anyway. > Really when you come down to it who cares. I just hope MS keeps doing > what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses. Personally, I'll be blasphemous and say that if Microsoft keeps doing what it does so well, I hope to see much harsher/stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms, concepts, interfaces, and other intellectual properties to protect real innovators. I'd hate to be one who actually does innovate, and then have Microsoft come in like a huge vulture and use their brute mass (development staff, marketing, etc) to get fat off of my innovation. I don't have all that much sympathy for Apple's complaint against Microsoft, since they just took the ideas from Xerox's PA Research Center when the Federal government forced Xerox to disclose their patents over antitrust fears. However, for other companies and individuals who have a great idea, yet get it "borrowed" by larger corporations who can afford to quickly bring it to market, without any licensing from the original innovator, I feel much sympathy. Larry -- Larry Weeks | "Those who fight monsters should make sure that dev@ecn.purdue.edu | in the process he does not become a monster, and -------------------+ when you look long into an abyss the abyss also looks into you." -- Friedrich Nietszche
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-- : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just : : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. : : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering :
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Ok, let me see if I can get all this out concisely. I am on an information gathering venture regarding the various expressions of Christianity/churches there are. My husband and I come from very different, but completely Christian backgrounds. I was a Lutheran when I met him and he was a born and raised Church of Christ member. At first I agreed with a lot of what the C of C was about, I wanted to move from the liturgical based Lutheran church to something a little more Biblical based. However over the last year, I've been regretting changing to the Church of Christ for a number of reasons - for one thing I am not a fundamentalist and believe that a few things in the Bible are socio-cultural in nature and don't relate to the Christian doctrine. One of my sorest spots is the role of women. I believe that through Mary and other women, Chris validated women as worthy disciples - but in the C of C the writings of Paul are taken without exception and I am told that I am not an equal partner in my marriage but the lesser member, I am to submit to my husband in all things (if I hear that verse one more time....) and I am not to take an active role in anything which might be construed as putting me in authority over men (ie leading prayers, conducting Bible studies etc). The last straw was when the Elders at our church came down on one of our college groups because it was all-women and they wanted a man to lead the study. Also my husband and I really resent the way everyone at our church feels that if you aren't a conservative republican - you aren't a REAL Christian (I got told that nobody who voted for Clinton should call themselves a Christian). Hence we are subjected during the service to long prayers calling for things we flatly dont agree with. We are also don't agree with the C of C's dread of any new "movement" being led by the young people. So, we have been church hunting with NO success. I want a reasonably biblical based church where women are viewed as whole people no matter what their calling ( C of C really looked down on career women). Christopher is looking for a church with deeply rooted religious convictions, with adult baptism and a church where the members still bring their Bibles to service. We are so confused here and we're drifting around trying to find a place where we both feel loved and can express our faith honestly and without reservation. If anyone can point us in a direction we'd be thrilled! I'm afraid that it will be very hard for me to go back to C of C and even harder for me to stay churchless for long. any responses would be welcome the diel family [I would think somewhere in the Baptist spectrum you might find what you're looking for. However the issue is probably more one of the flavor of the specific local churches in your area than the denomination -- Baptists cover quite a spectrum. Adult baptism sort of narrows your choices on the more liberal end of the spectrum. Historically that's been associated with movements that have the character you're trying to avoid. --clh]
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Fiberglass boards are available in several colors. Sitting right here, I have unetched board stock that is white, blue, green and yellow respectively. I've also seen black boards. Solder mask is available in a variety of colors too. Depending on the supplier, the color helps indentify the material. Don't forget conformal coating. I don't think I've seen phenolic impregnated paper boards in anything other than the familar brown, but it would not be difficult to add a dye to change the color. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
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In article <1993Apr20.163315.8876@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: > }1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have > }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too > }ignorant to know I need to buy) > > The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed: > > Helmet (new, but cheap) $100 > Jacket (used or very cheap) $100 > Gloves (nothing special) $ 20 > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140 ^^^ Wow! Courses in Georgia are much cheaper. $85 for both. > The list looks good, but I'd also add: Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar) $45 Think Peace. -- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com) KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J) AMA# 634578 DOD# 4210 PGP key available
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In article <lu1oftINNnfk@cascais.cs.utexas.edu> sirosh@cs.utexas.edu (Joseph Sirosh) writes: > >...Why did X designers decide to not associate >the color with the object being drawn, and instead associate it with the >display it is being drawn on? In X10, the drawing attributes were bundled into drawing requests; that is, the server's drawing model was stateless. This caused problems with performance and network traffic, so the X11 redesign included the graphic context to codify the drawing state. Most application designers who want to draw things in several different colors create a GC for each color during initialization, then pass the GC id in each drawing request. For more information see Scheifler and Gettys's article in the 1986 ACM Transactions on Graphics.
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In article <1qhv50$222@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il> ranen@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (Ranen Goren) writes: >Q: How many Nick Steel's does it take to twist any truth around? >A: Only one, and thank God there's only one. > > Ranen. Absolutely not true! There are lots of them! _____ __Livian__ ______ ___ __Segal__ __ __ __ __ __ *\ /* | | \ \ \ | | | | \ | ***\ /*** | | |__ | /_ \ \ | | | | \ | |---O---| | | / | \ | | | | \ | \ /*\ / \___ / | \ | | | \ | | \___ / | / | \/***\/ / | \ | | | | | / | | VM/CMS: JhsegalL@Weizmann.weizmann.ac.il UNIX: Jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il
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In article <WD.93Apr26122020@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de> wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes: In article <1rg36hINNsr6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> hugo@cats.ucsc.edu (Hugo Calendar) writes: > I'm wondering if I can tote my American touch tone phone around with me > to Sweden and Germany. It's DC powered, and I can buy a special adapter > for that in Europe. The question is if the general electronics work > the same. I can buy a different wall plug and refit it (I'm sure I'd > have to), but would that do the trick? Two things to watch for: In Germany (and I think the same holds for Sweden) only some of the connections can handle tone dialing, so make sure the phone can be set to pulse dialing. In Sweden, the '0' is the first digit and all other digits are pushed "down" by one position; this makes dialing (and in the process converting numbers) an interesting task. Otherwise, it is technically no problem to connect a foreign phone to either the German or Swedish phone system. OTOH neither you nor I would ever try that, as it is of course illegal. As the phone uses DTMF dialing, which by some magic all telecom operators seems to have agreed on, this is a complete non-issue. I don't think there are any switches in Sweden that can't handle DTMF dialing. Most switches are now digital and thoses that aren't have been retrofitted with "magic fingers" that converts from DTMF to pulse dialing. Thomas -- Real life: Thomas Törnblom Email: Thomas.Tornblom@Nexus.Comm.SE Snail mail: Communicator Nexus AB Phone: +46 18 171814 Box 857 Fax: +46 18 696516 S - 751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
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In article <1993Apr21.111312.5054@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes: >ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage >and I agree with all of you. Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up >over nothing. We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck. I mean have >you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It >sucks, I mean really sucks!!! ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the >ass. I was really pissed of about last night, coverage. I go to school in Ohio >I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them? If I were Bill Clement I would >shoot myself. > >Anyway after I calmed down after I realized that they were not going to show >overtime of the Caps Isles game I thought to myself I knew that this was going >to happen, in fact I remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even >the boring Devils game. > >Overall I think ESPN does not care if they show hockey or not and I firmly >belive that they have know respect for the fans. ie *because of contract >obligations*, screw you ESPN. > >Praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit! > >GO HAWKS!!! > This is the price hockey fans have to pay for the mistake of leaving ESPN 5 or 6 years ago...it will take time to correct for that mistake. But returning to ESPN was the correct decision last year...by next time, we may have the potential for Sportschannel and ESPN to really compete to offer better coverage and be forced to deliver on it. Gerald
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In article <C50p1M.21o@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: > >ok, how about this to argue about. why does the sl2 have a much lower base >price than the sc2??? it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount). >doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that >are in the 4 door???? perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the >2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k??? Ok, here's what I understand: The SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2 was meant to compete with the following cars: Honda Civic Toyota Tercel (SL,SL1) Toyota Corolla (SL1,SL2) Nissan Sentra Mazda 323/Protoge' Subaru Loyale/Impreza Isuzu Stylus Geo Prizm Ford Escort Mercury Tracer Mistubishi Mirage Plymouth/Dodge Colt Their core competition is the Civic, Corolla, and Sentra. Most of the other models are in the same class, but aren't the first cars you would think of. I threw in the Escort/Tracer because it has a good amount of Japanese technology and has similar reliability stats. I didn't include domestic small cars such as the Cavalier, Sunbird, Shadow, Sundance, Tempo, and Topaz, since I think Saturn is going after cars that have at least some degree of Japanese roots. The SC1/SC2 was meant to compete against the following cars: Toyota Paseo Honda Civic Si/Civic Coupes/del Sol Si Nissan NX1600/NX2000 Mazda MX-3 Isuzu Impulse Geo Storm Ford Escort GT If you look at the prices of these cars, they're more expensive than they're 4-door counterparts. The is good reason for this. It is a more upscale and trend-driven market. Even though many of these models are based on sedan platforms, their interior, etc. is good enough to warrant slightly higher prices. Here are some of the platform derivations I can think of: Tercel -> Paseo Sentra -> NX1600/NX2000 Civic -> del Sol 323 -> MX-3 (not sure on this one) Stylus -> Impulse/Storm To illustrate, a Tercel starts at around $8000, while the Paseo starts at around $11,000. Even a 4-door Tercel will cost less than a 2-door Paseo. Now, you might be saying that the Tercel doesn't offer the power that some 4-doors offer. What I mean is that there is no 4-dr Tercel with a comparable powerplant as its sport coupe derivative. Let's take another example: the Isuzu Stylus XS and Impulse XS/Storm GSi. Both have the same powerplants (a 1.6L 140hp engine), but the smaller 2-dr coupes are generally more expensive. Again, this is because the two-door sport coupe market is a more fashion-oriented and trend-setting segment. People are willing to pay more money for this type of car. In short, even though the SC1/SC2 may be smaller, hence "less" car, it's market orientation dictates a slightly higher price than its mechanically equivalent sedan (SL1/SL2) version. I hope this clears things up a bit...... Mihir Shah
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In <93115.132320ICJPS@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICJPS@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes: >My Nissan Quest has been doing 20mpg city, though its first few tanks >were more like 17mpg. The V6 and AT are remarkably smooth. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Agreed! I own a Mercury Villager and I'm very impressed with the V6 and the AT. In the past, I've been biased towards manual/standard transmissions(I owned an Aerostar with a 5-speed, it was awesome!), but settled with the AT in the Villager and have been pleasantly surprised with it's performance. BTW, Consumers Report in their report on the Villager, alluded to some funny noises from the AT, I've been listening for them but haven't noticed anything unusual. -Chris Christopher J. Born born@ralvms.vnet.ibm.com
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In article <May.11.02.39.09.1993.28334@athos.rutgers.edu> dhammers@pacific.? (David Hammerslag) writes: >This paragraph brought to mind a question. How do you (Mormons) reconcile >the idea of eternal marriage with Christ's statement that in the ressurection >people will neither marry nor be given in marriage (Luke, chapt. 20)? Well, here is something I wrote some time ago in response to a similar question. I hope it helps: [Begin repeat of previous post] As for the scripture mentioned I agree that it does seem to be a problem, not only for eternal marriage but marriage in general. Luke's version has Jesus saying that the children of this world marry and are given in marriage but not those who will attain the kingdom of heaven. It almost sounds like marriage disqualifies one for salvation. (Matthew and Mark both omit this statement.) I think the accounts are not as clear as they might be. Let's have a look at the incident and see if we can come up with some reasonable ideas of what it means. The scriptures involved are Mat 22:23-30, Mark 12:18-25, and Luke 20:27-36. What happened was that the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection, thought they could trap Jesus. They made reference to the "Leverite" marriage which required the brother of a man who died without children to take the widow to wife and raise up children. The children would be considered children of the deceased, just as though the woman's first husband had fathered them. It seems obvious from this that the woman was still considered in a way to be the wife of her first husband. However, the Sadducees concocted a scene in which 6 brothers of the deceased each in his turn failed to father children by the widow. They seem to imply that the Leverite marriage was equal to the first for they ask, "Whose wife shall she be in the resurrection?" At this point it seems obvious that if she is anybody's wife, it is the first husband. After all, had she borne children they would have been credited to him regardless of which brother was the biological father. It is possible Jesus was refering to this when he says, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God." (Mat 22:29, compare Mark 12:24, phrase not in Luke's account). Anyway, the Sadducees ask, "Whose wife will she be in the resurrection, seeing that all 7 had her?" Jesus answer is that, "In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage..." (Mat 22:30) "When they rise from the dead they neither marry..." (Mark 12:25) "They which are accounted worthy to obtain that world neither marry..." (Luke 20:35) All 3 accounts go on to say, "but are as the angels in heaven" or the equivalent. I find this last not very helpful since the Bible does not define angels nor give any idea what their life is like. (Some ministers claim that they are sexless, different that humans etc. but I can find no Biblical support for this.) I think what Jesus is saying here (and it is clearest in Matthew's and Mark's accounts) is that marriages will not be performed in the resurrection. This goes along with our belief that if a person is to marry at all it must be done on this earth. However, we do believe that a marriage performed by the authority of God can be binding in eternity. In fact, the first marriage appears to have been performed by God himself before death entered the world (in the Garden of Eden). What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Mat 19:6) Jesus also told Peter and the other apostles that whatsoever they should bind on earth should be bound in heaven (Mat 16:19, 18:18). I believe that this also refers to marriages performed by the proper authority.
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In article <1993Apr21.162414.18000@trintex.uucp> elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin) writes: >Trans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type >stuff. They've been out of busines for years. >Several other electronics or "surplus" type places are still on Canal >Street. Not any more. About 2 years ago they all closed. When Ramco/Electronics city closed, it took weeks and many dumpsters to clear everything out (so I heard). There are a few places that sell connectors and phone wires, but no chips, capacitors or discrete stuff. Sylvan/Wellington is still on Broadway and Canal, but they're not cheap, and not surplus. It's mostly a TV repairman's store. -- Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@panix.com -- Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@panix.com
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In article <1qvs9t$q3f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Charles P. Cox, Jr. <cox@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu> writes: >I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the >RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. > >Does it make any difference which slots you put the SIMMs in? The VRAM SIMMs go in the slots at the back - closest to the power supply. David Gutierrez drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu "Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
Do we know yet who will be holding the hearings? And, if so, do we know who is on the committee of question askers? I'm sure many of us have potential questions we'd like to send to them. Richard
18talk.politics.misc
I've been getting seemingly random disk accesses on my Centris 610 with a Quantum 240 LPS, but this is NOT the regular recalibration it has been doing since I got it.... This is sometimes short, sometimes long, accesses that sound like there is some read/writing going on. I have SAM 3.5, and Disinfectant 3.0, but neither picks up anything.. Any ideas? Jason. titus@ecosys.drdr.virginia.edu
4comp.sys.mac.hardware
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In article 2bd51686@atlas.nafb.trw.com, mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com () writes: >> Well, it's just studying tape, frame by frame. That's all. The biggest >> thing that you notice, however, is how bastardized the strike zone has >> become. Death to the umpires' union! The plate is 17" (+1") across, >> not 23"! Call the high strikes strikes, and quit calling pitches 3" >> outside strikes -- they're balls! >> > Speaking of this 23" wide strike zone.... > > I'd sure like to see cameras placed in each major league park such that > an overview shot of home plate is available. CBS had this during the > WS, or did I just dream it. > > Then again, players/managers must not be too upset with the current 23" > wide strike zone. > > Mark Pede > Wait a minute. If I read the rules right. A stike is ANY portion of the ball over ANY portion of the plate. Given that the ball is ~ 2.9 "" in diameter. This sez that the zone width is ~= 17 + (2 * 2.9) or 22.8 "" . While this is still less than the 23 " number given. I can forgive any UMP for misjudging .2" on an object moving at 85 to 100 miles per hour many times not in a straight line. I think the Umpires Union has a great grasp of the rules!!! David Edwards
9rec.sport.baseball
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6misc.forsale
I'm writing 'xwall', a simple X version of 'wall', and I want it to put a message up on each of a default list of displays. The problem is that XOpenDisplay hangs if one of the displays is currently controlled by xdm (login screen). I've been through the manuals and FAQ and don't see a simple way to see if a display is 'openable' ahead of time, or to get XOpenDisplay to fail after a short period of time. Any hints, suggestions, clues, or pointers to info? Thanks... -- Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com) _______________________________________________________________________________ "You could say I've lost faith in the politicians/ They all seem like game show hosts to me..." - Sting
5comp.windows.x