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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1pa0f4INNpit@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
> But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it?
Every time somone writes something and says it is merely describing the norm,
it is infact re-inforcing that norm upon those programmed not to think for
themselves. The motto is dangerous in itself, it tells the world that every
*true* American is god-fearing, and puts down those who do not fear gods. It
doesn't need anyone to make it dangerous, it does a good job itself by just
existing on your currency.
> keith
The Desert Brat
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk writes:
>
> I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a
> polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing
> information on the subject ?
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
/* +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Function : PuntBinnenPolygoon |
| |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Auteur : Cornelis Wessels |
| |
| Datum : 11-01-1993 |
| |
| Omschrijving: Bepaalt of de aangeboden VECTOR2D p binnen of op de |
| rand van het polygoon P valt. |
| |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Wijzigingen : - |
| |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ */
CLIBSTATUS PuntBinnenPolygoon ( POLYGOON *P, VECTOR2D *p )
{
VECTOR2D o, v, w;
INDEX aantal_snijpunten, N, n;
aantal_snijpunten = 0;
N = GeefPolygoonLengte(P);
GeefPolygoonRandpunt ( P, N, &o );
for ( n=1; n<=N; n++ )
{
GeefPolygoonRandpunt ( P, n, &v );
if ( o.x >= p->x && v.x < p->x ||
o.x < p->x && v.x >= p->x )
{
w.x = p->x;
InterpoleerLineair ( &o, &v, &w );
if ( w.x == p->x && w.y == p->y )
return(CLIBSUCCES);
else if ( w.y > p->y )
aantal_snijpunten++;
}
KopieerVector2d ( &v, &o );
}
if ( aantal_snijpunten%2 == 0 )
return(CLIBERBUITEN);
else
return(CLIBSUCCES);
}
Cornelis Wessels
Krommenoord 14
3079 ZT ROTTERDAM
The Netherlands
+31 10 4826394
kewe@bskewe.atr.bso.nl
| 1comp.graphics |
I would like to buy a cheap modem for my Mac. Did I mention that I would
prefer it to be cheap? 2400 baud preferred, but when you're looking for
cheap (and I do mean cheap) beggars can't be choosers. E-mail me.
Oh, I'm in Seattle, so if you were also, that would be a bonus.
| 6misc.forsale |
DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been
an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then.
| 7rec.autos |
In article <2BDCCB7D.2715@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:
>Tell *them* to stay home? :-) Sorry, terrible attempt at homour there.
>
>Alternative? Hell, I don't know. But...its perfectly possible to have
>objections to a particular policy while feeling that there is no
>"alternative choice".
Sealing off the Gaza Strip has the interesting side-effect of
demonstrating the non-viability of Gaza as an independent state.
Where are all of these people going to go to find work if they are
separated from Israel? If they complain about having to show id cards
on the way to work, how will they feel about showing passports on the
way to work?
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya???
Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft???
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which
will increase the number of serial ports available for use
simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my
Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each
one of the independently.
If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of
serial devices I can use?
Any information is appreciated.
Steven Langlois
slang@bnr.ca
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1pfiuh$64e@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>If the japanese are really going for Nukes, why not go with better
>technology then we have. AS opposed to BWR/PWRs have they really
>considered some of the 3rd generation Inherently safe designs.
The Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes.
This means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves)
the Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi
(who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a
new design.
>Sodium has lots of chemical problems but it really solves design
>difficulties. Or the inherently safe types.
Sodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very
slowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property.
As for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and
it is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it
gets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and
water? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides!
>PWR's work real good, but they need lots of steel, and they are highly
>complex systems. Simplicity is a virtue.
Don't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity.
Joseph Askew
--
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
| 14sci.space |
Our student association runs a small Novell network which has a subnetwork
of Windows for Workgroups and Microsoft Mail. The Director of Finance, en
electrical engineering student, would like to gateway this system, either
via SLIP or not, into the University's network and thus the Internet, at
the very least to exchange e-mail, but possibly also to do ftp's etc. For
now, this would be done via a 9600 bps modem.
He would like to set it up so that it would periodically call in to check
mail, but would otherwise connect whenever needed.
What is the best way to do this? Gatewaying software is available, but
what works best?
Please reply to me: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
or the D of F : dleung@ee.ubc.ca
with a cc: to the other. I don't read all of these groups regularly, so mail
is best. If this is a common question, please pot me to a FAQ or ftp site.
:=:=> Derek K. Miller dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
Researcher, Alma Mater Society thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
University of British Columbia, Canada
Room 230B - 6138 SUB Blvd., Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1
Campus Mail Zone 1 phone (604) 822-6868 fax (604) 822-9019
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Object-Oriented Programming Survey
This survey is a meant to find the current relationship between
programmers and Object-Oriented Programming. Please return this survey
before May 5, 1993. Return to rustad@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu
Would you like a copy of the published statistics? (yes/no) _______
Your Occupation:
__________________________________________________________________________
Years of Programming Experience:
__________________________________
Programming Languages you're associated with:
__________________________________________________________________________
Years of OOP experience:
__________________________________
Your preferred OOP language:
__________________________________________________________________________
Is there an advantage to OOP (yes/no) _________
Is OOP coding faster than traditional programming (yes/no) _________
Is OOP maintenance quicker and easier than traditional (yes/no or opinion):
__________________________________________________________________________
Comments: (pros & cons with Object-Oriented Programming)
| 1comp.graphics |
ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
> I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more
> about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you).
You really belong to the 25-30% of ignorants in USA who don't know what
the Holocaust ("Shoa" should be the real word) was. First you write in
Message-ID: <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 20:36:20 GMT
> I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in
> reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering
^^^^^^^
and later, as somebody informed you about your gross mistake, you
write in
Message-ID: <1993Apr25.181351.1373@Virginia.EDU>
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 18:13:51 GMT
> First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and
^^^^^^^^
> not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine.
instead of Joseph GOEBBELS. And you dare to say that you
"know more about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including "us")" ?
I'm sure you learned the history of Nazi Germany AND Austria from
your family.
> What I resent is ignorant statements that call people
> names when they disagree with your position. Opposing the
> atrocities commited by the Israeli governement hardly qualifies
> as anti-semitism. If you think name calling is a valid form of
> argument in intellectual circles, you need to get out more
> often.
Trying to make comparisons between Israels politics and Nazi German-
Austrian politics shows only your degree of ignorance (high), intellect
(low), humanity (none) and antisemitism (average). I respect anybody
who dissagrees with me as long as he respects me and discusses in a
civilized manner. I would never say that anybody that critizises Israel
and/or its politics is an antisemite, except he uses antisemitic
vocabulary/terminology/demagogy. Israel is not a perfect country and
its politicians also commits errors, even some of them are corrupt
(like politicians in any other country), but they carry a huge burden:
to care for the safety of ALL its citizens, and that is really not an
easy task in a country that is surrounded by enemies who only expect
that Israel commits the ONE BIG ERROR and wipe the country (and its
Jewish citizens plus the so-called collaborators, arabs that wanted to
live in peace with their Jewish neighbours) of the map. As I said,
Israel is not a perfect country, but it is the ONLY democracy in the
whole Middle-East and the only country in the world where Jews from
everywhere can have a refuge in case of persecutions in the countries
they are living.
Our long history has taught us that we cannot rely on non-Jewish
nations and its governments: as soon as there are more or les big
social-economical-political problems in any country, the first ones
that pay for the broken glasses are the Jews, and later the other
minorities of the country.
> I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any
> attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is
> not appreciated.
This is really outrageous: 6.000.000 murdered Jews, besides the
thousands who survived the Shoa in some way or another, and the rest
of the living ones mourning for all of them ! I don't know what you
call a "Civil Libertarian" (never heard about them) but I know only
one thing: if all of them think like you do it, then "Civil Libertarians"
is a new denomination for Antisemites. May other Civil Libertarians come
to word to this group so that we can learn if A.Beyer and me are right
(that Civil Libertarians are Antisemites), or that I'm wrong and he is
missusing that word.
BTW, I couldn't care less for what Andi Beyer appreciates.
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr25.194144.8358@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote:
> In article <C5yMIr.FnE@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
> >You said everyone in the world. That means *everyone* in the world, including
> >children that are not old enough to speak, let alone tell lies. If Jesus
> >says "everyone", you cannot support that by referring to a group of people
> >somewhat smaller than "everyone".
> That's right. Everyone. Even infants who cannot speak as yet. Even
> a little child will rebelliously stick his finger in a light socket.
> Even a little child will not want his diaper changed. Even a little
> child will fight nap-time.
Oh boy, get a small baby and figure out how much brain power they
have the first 6 months....
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I'm a 2600 hacker from The Old Days. Let's see how much trouble I can
get into by telling you what you want to know... ;-}
--
Eric Weaver Sony AVTC 677 River Oaks Pkwy, MS 35 SJ CA 95134 408 944-4904
& Chief Engineer, KFJC 89.7 Foothill College, Los Altos Hills CA 94022
| 12sci.electronics |
Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal
privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every
aspect of our lives.
Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for
privacy technology. One small step at a time.
Wait a minute.... Let me think about this.
Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us
this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear.
They're here to help us.
God bless America.
--
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John Hesse | A man,
jhesse@netcom.com | a plan,
Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob.
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| 11sci.crypt |
So nice of you all to answer some questions. And it so nice that most
of you feel that it would be in your hearts to give the Palestinians
some land - most of you focus on the fact that Israel annexed all
this land and it is a kind gesture to give some of it back. Well,
I hope that after after a state run by Palestinians is established,
the first decision should be to make Jerusalem part of this state -
by annexing it of course.
Steve
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <9304132134.AA24803@alex.lcs.mit.edu> gildea@expo.lcs.mit.EDU (Stephen Gildea) writes:
>No, the R5 Xlib is not thread-safe. But we are working on it.
>See my article in The X Resource, issue 5. Consortium members
>will have a multi-threaded version soon, and it will be part
>of R6.
There is a multi threaded xlib version written.
Do an archie search for mt-xlib:
Host export.lcs.mit.edu
Location: /contrib
DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib
Location: /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1
FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jan 21 14:02 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z
FILE -rw-r--r-- 1658123 Jan 21 14:03 mt-xlib.tar.Z
Location: /contrib/mt-xlib
FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z
FILE -rw-r--r-- 1925529 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib.tar.Z
et.al.
-Eric
*********************************************************
"Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."
-The Nine Billion Names of God
"Yes, you're very smart. Shut up."
-In "The Princess Bride"
*********************************************************
| 5comp.windows.x |
Is anyone maintaining a list of favorite shareware and public domain Windows
software?
I have several such lists for MSDOS, but they are really light on Windows
stuff.
David Arnstein
International Imaging Systems
arnstein@iis.sun.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I, too, put a corbin seat on my Hawk. I got the solo seat (which
could carry a passenger for a short distance) and it is 100%
better than the stock seat. No longer does my voice squeak after
the ride to work.
<================================================>
/ Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \
/ NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \
/ "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same." \
<========================================================>
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Gun clubs:
If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??)
You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN
you can start with anything bigger.
Drivers licence:
Forgot that USA is THE land of cars.....
Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy.
Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather......
But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and
bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS.
(If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!)
Abuse by the goverment:
This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control
would just be abused by the goverment.(!)
Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should
get a new goverment. (You do have elections??)
Guns 'n Criminals:
MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen.
Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control.
And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe),
we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns.
Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one:
What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS!
Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to...
I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;)
The issue (I hope..):
I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem.
Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??)
I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia:
They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them
to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns.
If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them
or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem,
it's the 'axer' ??
(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...)
Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect
themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ??
If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have
guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA)
Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works
(in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents...
(Something about throwing stones in glass houses...)
Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either.
(Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!)
(My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police
and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??)
LAST WORD:
Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect
your citicens.
This is not a .signature.
It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
and to bring down the evil Internet.
Thomas Parsli
thomasp@ifi.uio.no
| 16talk.politics.guns |
butts@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Ronald W. Butts, Jr.) writes:
>I am looking for suppliers of 900MHz spread spectrum radio modules. I need
>to implement a two-way audio band link (essentially the guts of a cordless
>900MHz phone is what I want.)
This isn't exactly audio, but take a look in "RF Design" magazine,
April 93, for the article "A Robust Signaling Technique for Part 15
RF Control Netowrk Applications." Page 29. Sources of parts are
mentioned; in the same issue is an article that features a chipset
for the Digital European Cordless Telecommunications standard.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
}Honda: a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
--
Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <C5x75A.48H@ms.uky.edu> msunde01@mik.uky.edu writes:
>In article <1r76sbINNkap@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> noeler@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU
>(Eric Richard Noel) writes:
>> I hate hard copy manuals, and would rather have all docs online - *not*
>> because I want to copy the program, but because its usually faster and
>> and convenient than sifting through an old book I can't find.
>
>Just MHO, but I prefer hardcopy books because you can have three or four
>of them open spread across the bed (next to the desk in my dorm) and
>reference them while using the program full-screen. The Windows Help
>things come closest to good on-line documentation I've seen, but they
>generally aren't detailed enough and would probably take a LARGE amount of
>space (even compressed) which is at a premium on my system . . .. In
>fact, the manuals are the primary reason I bought Borland's C++ compiler
>instead of using the one the lab licensed (in the lab, of course). I've
>got a SHELF full of books to help me out when I'm stuck. :-) To each
>his own . . . :-)
>
Agree 100%, personally I cannot flip from page to page on a screen and
retain information as easily as in the written page.
>>
>> Off deeper end-> Why does everyone think they need to be able to make a
>> backup copy? Almost all new software must be installed to the hard disk,
>> so you are left with the originals as your backups. I think its a waste
>> of time, space, and money, as well as it makes it to tempting to "lend"
>> out the backups.
>
>We've destroyed about six sets of original Microsoft Word for Mac 5.0 and
>Word for Windows (may have been a bad batch of disks). Don't have the
>faintest idea what happened to them, they just went bad. Weren't stored
>near any magnetic fields or otherwise mistreated, indeed they were only
>used once. Given this, and the massive headaches finding a working set of
>disks to fix some of the machines that periodically go down, I'd say
>having working backups is a godsend. I sure wish we'd had them (Sometimes
>I think Murphy's Law holds true more often than Newton's!!) when we needed
>them. I think it's sortof like snake antivenin. 99.995% of the time you
>have absolutely no use for it, but when you need it, BOY do you ever need
>it!
>
Ditto's ... in fact .. at work, where things are dead if the backup
is no good, I insist on having at least a 2 level backup system.
It seems that whenever you have 2 good backups, you never need them,
but if you don't have them, Murphy guarantees that you'll suffer for it.
>I don't have backups of my originals at "home" but then my machine doesn't
>see anywhere NEAR the use/abuse of these here at the lab, and so I
>consider it less of a risk. Still, I usually make "working copies" of
>them when I install them and then eventually re-use these "working copies"
>for something else. . ..
>
>
>>
>>
>> No flames intended - just my thoughts.
>
>Just mine, too! :-)
>
and mine of course.
Richard Dell
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1qplh7$e2g@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
} In article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
} >In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes:
} >} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.]
} >at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game
} >is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily
} >standings and results here every day.
}
} Am I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering.
it was meant entirely, 100%, as a compliment.
} I do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially
} for those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games
} in their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other
} countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also,
} many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only
} available through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free
} of charge and has no copyright restrictions.
i was not trying to criticize your service at all.
in fact, i was trying to encourage others to use it.
i don't personally use it, but i'm sure others do, and that was my point in
posting--there is no need for individuals to duplicate, in an ad hoc fashion,
what you have already organized.
} >if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list
} >and use that.
}
} Remember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the
} rec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through
} private e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that
} branches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list
} grows by an average of 35 people a day.
having one person, such as yourself, who does it, is a great idea.
having 100 do it is not. that's all.
keep up the good work, Joseph.
-*-
charles
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
GREAT post Martin. Very informative, well-balanced, and humanitarian
without neglecting the need for scientific rigor.
(Cross-posted to alt.psychology.personality since some personality typing
will be discussed at the beginning - Note: I've set all followups to sci.med
since most of my comments are more sci.med oriented and I'm sure most of the
replies, if any, will be med-related.)
In article banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes:
>I can not believe the way this thread on candida(yeast) has progressed.
>Steve Dyer and I have been exchanging words over the same topic in Sci.
>Med. Nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman
>poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did
>not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible, Steve, and I
>see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well.
They are just responding in their natural way: Hyper-Choleric Syndrome (HCS).
Oops, that is not a recognized "illness" in the psychological community,
better not say that since it therefore must not, and never will, exist. :^)
Actually, it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians
will type out as NT (for those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs system,
just e-mail me and I'll send a summary file to you). In the general
population, NT's comprise only about 12% of the population, but among
physicians it is much much higher (I don't know the exact percentage -
any help here a.p.p.er's?)
One driving characteristic of an NT, especially an NTJ, is their obvious
choleric behavior (driver, type A, etc.) - the extreme emotional need to
control, to lead, and/or to be the best or the most competent. If they are
also extroverted, they are best described as "Field Marshalls". This trait
is very valuable and essential in our society - we need people who want to
lead, to strive to overcome the elements, to seek and thirst for knowledge,
to raise the level of competency, etc. The great successes in science and
technology are in large part due to the vision (an N trait) and scientifically-
minded approach (T trait) of the NT personality (of course, the other types
and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well). However,
when the NT person has self-image challenges, the "dark-side" of this
personality type usually comes out, which should be obvious to all.
A physician who is a strong NT and who has not learned to temper their
temperament will be extremely business-like (lack of empathy or feeling),
and is very compelled to have total control over their patient (the patient
must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question). I've
known many M.D.'s of this temperament and suffice to say I don't oblige them
with a followup visit, no matter how competent I think they are (and they
usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an
extreme drive of theirs - to know the most, to know it all).
Maybe we need more NF doctor's. :^)
Enough on this subject - let's move on to candida bloom.
>Let me tell you who the quacks really are, these are the physicans who have
>no idea how the human body interacts with it's environment and how that
>balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics... Could it just be
>professional jealousy? I couldn't help Elaine or Jon but somebody else did.
You've helped me already by your post. Of course, I believe that I have
been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from 'anal retentivitis', but being
the phlegmatic I am, maybe I was just a little too harsh on a few people
myself in past posts. Let's all try to raise the level of this discussion
above the level of anal effluent.
>...Humans have all
>kinds of different organisms living in the GI system (mouth, stomach, small
>and large intestine), sinuses, vagina and on the skin. These are
>nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune
>system is compromised. They are also called nonpathogens because unlike
>the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease, they do not produce
>toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body. But any of
>these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up
>residence within the body. A poor mucus membrane barrier can let this
>happen and vitamin A is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier.
In my well-described situation (in prior posts), I definitely was immune
stressed. Blood tests showed my vitamin A levels were very low. My sinuses
were a mess - no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged.
I also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years! In the end, even two weeks
of Ceftin did not work and I had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial
infection of the sinuses via cat-scans, mucus color (won't get into the
details), and other symptoms. Three very traditional ENT's made this
diagnosis (I did not have any cultures done, however, because of the
difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed
a bacterial infection). Enough of this background (provided to help you
understand where I was when I make comments about my Sporanox anti-fungal
therapy below).
The first question I have is this. Can fungus penetrate a little way into poor
mucus membrane tissue, maybe via hyphae, thus causing symptoms, without being
considered 'systemic' in the classic sense? It is sort of an inbetween
infection.
>Steve got real upset with Elaine's doctor because he was using anti-fungals
>and vitamin A for her GI problems. If Steve really understoood what
>vitamin A does in the body, he would not(or at least should not) be calling
>Elaine's doctor a quack.
I was concerned, too, because of the toxicity of vitamin A. My doctor, after
my blood tests, put me on 75,000 IU of vitamin A for one week only, then
dropped it down to 25,000 IU for the next couple of weeks. I also received
zinc and other supplementation, since all of these interrelate in fairly
complex ways as my doctor explained (he's one of those 'evil' orthomolecular
specialists). I had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin A was normal,
he then stopped me on all vitamin A (except for some in a multi-vitamin)
supplement), and made sure that I maintain a 50,000 IU/day of beta carotene.
Call me carrot face. :^)
Hopefully, Elaine's doctor will take a similar, careful approach and to
all supplements. I'm even reevaluating some supplements I'm taking, for
example, niacin in fairly large dosages, 1 gram/day, which Steve Dyer had
good information about on sci.med.nutrition. If niacin only has second-order
improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies, then it probably is
not worth taking such a large dose long-term and risking liver damage.
>survives. If it gets access to a lot of glucose, it blooms and over rides
>the other organisms living with it in the sinuses, GI tract or vagina. In
Though I do now believe, based on my successful therapy with Sporanox, that
I definitely had some excessive growth of fungus (unknown species) in my
sinuses, I still want to ask the question: have there been any studies that
demonstrate candida "blooms" in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation
(sinusitis/rhinitis)? (My sinus irritation reduced significantly after one
week of Sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this
time - I did not have any noticeable GI track problems before starting on
Sporanox, but some for a few days after which then went away - considered
normal).
BTW, my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books (sorry, can't
remember which one), and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950's
which stated that people can develop contained (non-lethal or non-serious)
aspergillis infestations (aspergiliosis) of the sinuses leading to sinus
inflammation symptoms. I'll have to dig out that reference again since it
is relevant to this discussion.
>some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus
>membrane or skin bloom site. Whether this is an allergic like reaction to
>the candida or not isn't certain.
My doctor tested me (I believe a RAST or RAST similar test) for allergic
response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive.
Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test
is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow
part-way into the mucus membrane tissue, and the concentration exceeds a
threshold amount, could not a person who tests as having an allergy to
Candida definitely develop allergic symptoms, such as mucus membrane
irritation due to the body's allergic response? As I said in an earlier post,
one does not need to be a rocket scientist, or have a M.D. degree or a
Ph.D. in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis.
BTW, and I'll repost this again. Dr. Ivker, in his book, "Sinus Survival",
has routinely given, before anything else, Nizoral (a pre-Sporanox systemic
anti-fungal, not as safe and not as good as Sporanox) to his new chronic
sinusitis patients IF they have been on antibiotics four or more times in
the last two years. He claims that out of 2000 or so patients, well over
90% notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms, but it
doesn't cure it by any means, implying the so-called yeast/fungus infection
is not the primary cause, but a later complication. He's also found that
nystatin, whether taken internally, or put into a sinus spray, does not help.
This implies (of course assuming that excessive yeast/fungus bloom is
aggravating the sinus inflammation) that the yeast/fungus has grown partway
into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast/fungus other than by
direct contact - it is not absorbed into the blood stream. Again, I admit,
lots of 'ifs', and 'implies', which doesn't please the hard-core NT who
has to have the double-blind study or it's a non-issue, but one has to start
with some plausible hypothesis/explanation, a strawman, if you will.
>If it's internal, only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty
>nondescript.
This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny
and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the
appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture
the yeast "bloom" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or
even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually
impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot
be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body.
It's a real Catch-22.
Another Catch-22: Those who totally reject the 'yeast hypothesis' say that
no studies have been done (actually studies have been done, but if it's not
up to a certain standard then it is, from their perspective, a non-study which
should not even be considered). I agree that the appropriate studies should
be done, and that will take big $ to do it right. However, in order to
convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets,
you literally have to give them evidence, and the only acceptable evidence to
compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study
needed funding. That is, you have to do 90% of the study before you even get
funding (as a scientist at a National Lab, I'm very aware of this for the
smaller funded projects). I'm afraid that even if Dr. Ivker and 100 other
doctors got together, pooled their practice's case histories and anecdotes
into a compelling picture, and approach the funding agencies, they would get
nowhere, even if they were able to publish their statistical results.
It is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have
*decided* excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to
noticeable non-lethal symptoms does not exist, and is not even a tenable
hypothesis, so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence
to the contrary will never change their mind, and not only that, they would
also oppose the needed studies because in their minds it's a done issue -
excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not, will
not, and cannot exist. Period. Kind of tough to dialog with those who hold
such a viewpoint. Kind of reminds me of Lister...
>Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in
>the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the
>vaginal tract which compete with it for food. The human immune system
>ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless
>they broach the mucus membrane "barrier". If they do, an inflammatory
>response will be set up. Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A
>from their diets. About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than
>they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies). While this low level of vitamin
>A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane
>barrier system. This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong
>inflammatory response after a candida bloom.
Aren't there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the
sinus mucus membranes and cilia?
>While diabetics can suffer from a candida "bloom" the most common cause of
>this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which
>knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main
>competition for candida as far as food is concerned. While drugs are
>available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not
>use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection. The toxicity of
>the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution. But if the GI or sinus
>inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum
>antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate
>just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring
>vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says.
Again, the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast/fungus
species can grow hyphae ("roots") into deep tissue, similar to mold growing
in bread. You can continue to kill the surface, such as nystatin does, but
you can't kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic
anti-fungal such as itraconazole (Sporanox) or some of the older ones such
as Nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective. This is why, as has
been pointed out by recent studies (sent to me by a doctor I've been in
e-mail contact with - thanks), that nystatin is not effective in the long-
term treatment of GI tract "candidiasis". It's like trying to weed a garden
by cutting off what's above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come
out again once you walk away.
The $60000 question is whether a contained candida "bloom" can partially
grow into tissue through the mucus membranes, causing some types of symptoms
in susceptible people (e.g., allergy), without becoming "systemic" in the
classical sense of the word - something in between strictly an excessive
bloom not causing any problems and the full-blown systemic infection that
is potentially lethal.
>In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good
>reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very
>favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and
>humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract. One of the most effctive ways to
>minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear.
Also, if one is an 'anal retentive', like I've been diagnosed in a prior
post, that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth. ;^)
>If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even
>blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids. If the
>bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology
>occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool). This positive stool
>for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first
>place. After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong
>but her gut still hurt. On to another doctor, and so on. Richard Kaplan
>has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool
>specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of
>false positives(candida blooms guys?). If my gut hurt me on a constant
>basis, I would want it fixed. Yes it's nice to know that I don't have
>colon cancer but what then is causing my distress? When I finally find a
>doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack.
As I've said in private e-mail, there are flaws in our current medical system
that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt
alternative therapies AFTER the approved/proven/accepted therapies don't work.
For example, I went to three ENT's, who all said that I will just have to live
with my acute/chronic sinusitis after the ab's failed (they did mention
surgery to open up the ostia, but my ostia weren't plugged and it would not
get to the root cause of my condition). After three months of aggressive and
fairly non-standard therapy (Sporanox, body nutrient level monitoring and
equalization, vitamin C, lentinen, echinacea, etc.), my health has vastly
improved to where I was two years ago, before my health greatly deteriorated.
Of course, skeptics would say that maybe if I did nothing I would have
improved anyway, but that view is stretching things quite far because of the
experience of the three ENT's I saw who said that I'd just have to "live with
it". I'm confident I will reach what one could call a total "cure". The
anti-fungal program I undertook was one necessary step in that direction
because of my overuse of ab's for the last four years. (Note: for those
having sinus problems, may I suggest the book by Dr. Ivker I mention above.
Be sure to get the revised edition.)
>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic
>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his
>patients is a non-existent syndrome.
Dr. Ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems, and his
visits to several ENT's totally floored him when they said "you'll just have
to live with it". He spent several years trying everything - standard and
non-standard, until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis. He now
shares his approach in his book and I can honestly say that I am on the road
to recovery following some parts of it. His one recommendation to take a
systemic anti-fungal at the beginning of treatment IF you have a history of
anti-biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own
practice. I'm sure if I commented to him of the hard-core beliefs of the anti-
"yeast hypothesis" posters that he would have definite things to say, such as,
"it's worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases", to put it mildly.
I also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating
their moral obligations to help the patient.
Maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are
confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the "hypothetical
yeast overgrowth" (e.g., they fit some of the profiles the pro-yeast people
have identified), should consider anti-fungal therapy IF all other avenues
have been exhausted. Remember, theory and practice are two different things -
you cannot have one without the other, they are synergistic. If a doctor does
something non-standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a
thousand of his patients, shouldn't you at least sit up and take notice?
Maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works
instead of why it shouldn't work. I'm afraid a lot of doctors have become
so enamored with "scientific correctness" that they are ignoring the patients
they have sworn to help. You have to do both; both have to be balanced, which
we don't see from some of the posters to this group. There comes a point when
you just have to use a little common sense, and maybe an empirical approach
(such as trying a good systemic anti-fungal such as Sporanox) after having
exhausted all the other avenues. I was one of those who the traditional
medical establishment was not able to help, so I did the natural thing: I
went to a couple of doctor's who are (somewhat) outside this establishment,
and as a result I have found significant relief.
Would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up
some kind of mechanism where any doctor, without fear of being sued or having
his license pulled, can try experimental and unproven (beyond a doubt)
therapies for his/her patients that finally reach the point where all the
accepted therapies are ineffective? I'd like to hear a doctor tell me:
"well, I've tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this
country, and since they clearly don't work for you, I now have the authority
to use experimental, unproven techniques that seem to have helped others. I
can't promise anything, and there are some risks. You will have to sign
something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of
these unproven therapies, and I'll have to register your case at the State
Board." Anyway, if my ENT had suggested this to me, I would've jumped on this
pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who, for either altruistic
reasons, or for greed, is practicing these alternative therapies with much
risk to him/her (risk meaning losing their license) and possibly to the
patient. Such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine,
and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free. It also would
be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the
compassion of the medical community to the patient - that it's doing everything
it can within reason to help the patient. It is the lack of such a mechanism
that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies, some of
which seem to work (like my case), and others of which will never work at all
(true quackery).
I better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500K in size.
>If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut. Through
>aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes.
>But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system
>needs to be strengthened. This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and
>some of the B-complex vitamins. Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans
>are not getting enough B6 and folate. These are probably the segement of
>the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent
>disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy).
What dosage of B6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper
working of the mucos memebranes?
>Some of the above material was obtained from "Natural Healing" by Mark
>Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human
>nutrition course. I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A sometime in
>the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely
>important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in
>the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida
>blooms. Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate
>intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI
>system is involved. If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out
>grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and
>fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check
>once carbohydrate is returned to the gut.
I'd like to see the role of complex carbohydrates, such as starch.
>If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post,
>fine. I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably
>accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin
>A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut. People seeking advice
>from newsnet should not be treated this way. Those of us giving of our
>time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content. If you saved
>your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly
>seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior.
Brave soul you are. The venom on Usenet can be quite toxic unless one
develops an immunity to it. One year ago, my phlegmatic self would have
backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis. But my immune
system, and my computer system, have been hardened from gradual
desensitization. I now kind of like being called "anal retentive" - it has
a nice ring to it. I also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the
post - truly classic, worthy of a blue (or maybe brown) ribbon. I might
even cross-post it to alt.best.of.internet. Hmmm...
>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Thanks again for a great and informative post. I hope others who have
researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their
thoughts as well, no matter their views on this subject.
Jon Noring
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| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't
>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball
>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba,
>that is).
MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to
defect first.
Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey
players, until the political situation in those countries changed.
Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr23.155347.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
> Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its
> minimum order for manufacturing. We got in under the wire (with
> an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of
> pins, we were relegated to the "we'll get to it in-between other
> runs" bin. As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks
How about the name and number of the pin place. I would think that 115
or so people calling to bitch about why orders placed after ours are getting
done first might speed things along.
Dean
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In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
> If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next
>one should be called 'Smiley'.
Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt
object discovered last year, is known as Smiley.
--
Jeff Foust [49 days!] "You're from outer space."
Senior, Planetary Science, Caltech "No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in
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| 14sci.space |
I'm looking for a decent Windows news reader. I've given up on winvn 0.76
since it doesn't work very well with the winsock.dll of the IBM TCP/IP for
DOS 2.1.
What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ?
I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access
our token ring (results in invalid class error :(
Bye!
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In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> [flaming tutorial for the novice]. Another thing to consider is,
> that like Mexican food, a lot of folks mistake heat for quality. Subtle
> references to various personal qualities/habits/ancestry/possesions
> generally earn more points than four letter words or the caps lock key.
> And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) is
^^^^^^^^^^
> likely to insure that some small part of your flame will become
> immortal.
Zounds! There's a blast from the past indeed! I'd nearly forgotten
about the strategic significance of strabismic in r.m lore. It's
really good to see it proudly displayed again, although I'm sure
by now that its carbs are spooge-o-rama from long disuse.
Gosh, I'm tingling all over!
:-)
Chuck Rogers
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In article <1993Apr16.133818.1452@blurt.oswego.edu> ma_ind25@blurt.oswego.edu writes:
>I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player
Rust Staub is NOT Jewish.
In fact, I think his father was a minister.
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bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer) writes:
|One question I do have - a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated
|a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining
|trapped water - said he told swimmers to do this after swimming, too. It
|works, but it stings like the devil, so I've always been content to let any
|water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get
|out by itself if shaking my head a few times won't do the trick. Any
|comments?
When I have trouble it's usually because of water trapped by some
remaining wax. I don't see why you can't just let it evaporate; it
should do this eventually.
/J
=
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| 13sci.med |
In article <C65DA7.2ME@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr27.011549.7010@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <C63r8F.76s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
|> >
|> >|> Israel - Happy 45th Birthday!
|> >|>
|> >
|> >Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been killed
|> >by Israel during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?
|> >
|> >Hamid
|>
|>
|> What's this? Another idiot from McRCIM.McGill.EDU? Or are these all
|> the same dope using different accounts?
|>
I asked some simple questions at different occations. I don't understand why
some people insulted me for those SIMPLE questions!
Anyway, I didn't reply to them with the same language and I won't, because
1. There is no need
2. There is no benefit
3. I don't have time to reply to those garbages
By the way, do you want to know who am I? I am not a NATIONALIST Arab of 1967.
I am not a COMONIST Arab of 70's. Are you sure that you want to hear
my name? I am a MUSLIM FIGHTER. I am the same child who
fight with your armed soldier with stone! I am the same guy who wants to
bring JUSTICE to Palestine, I am the same fighter who wants to kicked Israel
out of south Lebonon in the same way of the 1982. I am the son of KHOMEINI.
I am honored to be a HEZBULLAH.... Don't you know me!!!? Just ask Rabin
he knows me!
Hamid
|> --
|> Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
|> American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
|> My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Wayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote:
: In article <1qk7kvINNndk@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
: >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi-
: >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can
: >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer
: >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at
: >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are
: >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently
: >>faster at managing data from a hard drive.
: >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics
: > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized
: > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max.
: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first?
: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they
: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point?
Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth
investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in .
: Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone
: know how they perform?
You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism
as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's
interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not.
: >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES
: >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode
: >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can.
: As implimented on what system?
On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If
IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file
servers?
: >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put
: >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT
: >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the
: >SCSI-2 through put.
: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive
: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do
: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence?
: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost?
No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives
at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly.
I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I
haven't seen IDE drives cheaper.
: The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card
: (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down
: in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc
: or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions
: of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to
: come down in price.
No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because
nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read:
easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or
Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice.
: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented
: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better
: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when
: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.
On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But, you bought your PC for
expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. The
following are why I find SCSI intrinsically better than IDE:
A (partial?) list:
1. You can add many different types of devices and access them
concurrently.
2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac
and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice
with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go)
3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For
instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor
212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will
work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the
termination, plug it in, and away it goes.
4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that
the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is
quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c:
to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very
noticable, as many things can be going on at once.
One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the
ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with
little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've
added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to
have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive
all on the same card.
Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out.
Greg.
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_______________________________________________________________________________
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
RADAR (Radio Association Defending Airwave Rights) says that Geico
insurance not only buy's Radar for police but also actively lobbies
states to promote making Radar Detectors illegal. I think the
buying part is a misuse of money but the Radar Detector part shows
how little they know about the issue. No study I am aware of has ever
concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that
users have a higher average speed. Incompetence by Geico? I think
so.
Troy Wecker
troy@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems
Beaverton, OR
In article <1993Apr21.171811.25933@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>In article <66758@mimsy.umd.edu> davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) writes:
>>I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that
>>they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was
>>worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have
>>also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.
>
>I've read in this group that Geico has funded the purchasing of radar
>guns by police depts (I'm not sure where).
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1sti5kINNoq4@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes:
>gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>Lack of a skeleton means that muscles have to actively resist
>>gravity at all times on land rather than supplying only balancing
>>forces. That means that much more energy would be required for the
>>creature to function. The bones also supply leverage points for
>>pushing and lateral movement. That's why you don't find large
>>active boneless creatures on land.
>
>Hydraulics can make rigid tubes. No energy required just for
>support. Hydraulics also allow a creature to produce large
>forces with weak muscles, using the principle of a hydraulic jack
>rather than a lever.
This is one of those "yes, but" things. It's true that a hydraulically
pressurized tube can be somewhat more rigid than an unpressurized tube,
but even at 2000 PSI levels a hydraulic hose will bend rather easily,
though it's straight-on compressive strength is high, and it's torsional
resistance increase is practically nil. On the other grasping member,
there's no doubt that hydraulic "leverage" exists in nature. Tree roots
are an example. Given time they can shatter concrete as osmotic pressure
increases.
>>It's interesting to note that, on
>>land, creatures are either two legged or 4 legged, with tiny insects
>>having 6 or 8 legs, but never 3 legged, though that would be a
>>stable configuration. It can be argued that 2 legged creatures
>
>Kangaroos are 3-legged. The specific number of limbs a creature has is
>an accident of evolution, it is hard to make changes in some
>structures. The panda has a thumb plus as many fingers as its
>ancestors (five?) on each hand, but the thumb is a modified wristbone
>rather than a modified finger, and extra fingers are much more common
>than extra limbs, especially fully-functional ones.
Kangaroos 3-limbed? I don't think so. If you take the view that the
tail is a limb, then monkeys and kangaroos are 5-limbed. I think the
tail is a different kind of structure, grossly enlarged in the case
of the kangaroo, but primarily still an instrument of balance rather
than locomotion. I don't know much about panda "thumbs", so I'll ask
is it opposable?
>>Thermodynamic considerations of surface/volume relationships would
>>seem to dictate that active complex creatures stay in a size range
>>similar to what we see about us. 6 inch tall intelligent aliens
>>seem unlikely, as do those much larger than the elephant.
>
>Why can't a lemur or a brontosaurus* be intelligent?
>
>[*Yes, I know that the brontosaurus is a mythical beast produced by
>putting the head of another dinosaur on an apatosaurus, but so far
>space aliens are also mythical.]
Well I won't say flat out that they can't be intelligent, but I'll
bring a couple of lines of argument to bear to try to show why I
don't think it's likely. First let me say that when I say "intelligent"
I mean complex behaviors in response to novel situations on a level
with, or greater than, human tool use and tool building. IE assuming
suitable manipulators are present on the creature to allow it to alter
it's enviroment in a planned way, it will do so. That's certainly not
a universal or complete definition of intelligence, but it will suffice
for a putative technological alien.
Now no one knows exactly what makes a brain capable of thought, but
it's generally accepted that one of the criteria is a certain level
of complexity. This is generally determined by the number of neuron
cells, and their interconnections. So a creature the size of a lemur
wouldn't have enough neurons to support complex thought. This argument
is considerably less clear in the case of the dinosaur. There's room
for a large brain, though no indication that one ever developed. One
reason this may be true is neuronic speed. The electrochemical messages
that trigger neurons require time to propagate. This makes it difficult
for a highly complex central brain to coordinate the movements of very
large creatures. So there's little selection pressure for such brains.
Instead, a simpler distributed network evolves. This doesn't rule out
intelligent dinosaurs, but it points in that direction.
Then there are the thermodynamic arguments. A tiny creature like the
lemur needs to eat frequently because it's internal heat is rapidly
lost due to it's high surface to volume ratio. I contend that a creature
that must spend most of it's time and energy feeding won't have the time
to develop and exercise intelligence. That argument may be somewhat weak.
The dinosaur's problem is the reverse, it must moderate it's heat production
because it's high volume to surface ratio makes it tend to retain waste heat.
I'm assuming that a certain temperature range is optimal for chemical
reactivity reasons for productive neuron function. So creatures would
tend to need to maintain a regulated temperature in a range near that
of humans if they are carbon based. That tends to rule out cold blooded
creatures as potential homes of intelligence. Some people contend that
some of the dinosaurs may have been warm blooded. But for a creature
the size of a brontosaur, it's activity levels would have to be restrained
or it would be prone to generate an internal steam explosion from the
waste heat. Whales are similar size, but they can reject heat to the
ocean, a much more efficient sink than air. I suspect that for intelligence
to manifest itself, a certain degree of activity in interacting with the
environment is necessary. IE monkey curiousity. I doubt a large dinosaur
would be capable of that much activity.
Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
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| 14sci.space |
>In article <C65wBp.6K4@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> adaptive@cs.nps.navy.mil (zyda res acct) writes:
>>>Hi, there!
>>>I am interested in facial animation and want to implement some program about this area.
>>>But I don't have any 3-D information for the face.
>>>I am looking for some 3D images of face.
>>
>>Try getting the Cyberware_demo via ftp which contains 3D images of the
>>face.
>>
>
>What is the copyright status of this data? Are there restrictions regarding the
>uses they can be put to?
>
>Kaveh
>
>
>--
>Kaveh Kardan
>kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA
Kaveh,
all of the data included with in the Cyberware_demo is
non-proprietary, use it as you like. I just ask that you give us
credit if you use it in a research paper/project and send us the
results.
thanks,
geo
Cyberware
--
george dabrowski
Cyberware Labs
dabro@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil
| 1comp.graphics |
Arctic Wheels of Fairbanks Presents
The
10th Anniversary Auto Show
The Auto Show will be held on May 7-9, 1993 (Mother's Day Weekend) at the
Fort Jonathan Wainwright Physical Fitness Center. Almost any and every
vehicle is welcome. Cars, trucks, snowmobiles, motorcycles, antiques,
racing, etc. are welcome!!!!! For more information call (907) 488-6937 or
(907) 488-8687. You may also write Arctic Wheels, P.O.Box 60934, Fairbanks,
Alaska 99706-0934. This show is to benefit Alaska Crippled Children and
Adults (ACCA). If you wish to place a vehicle in the show REGISTER EARLY!!!!
SPACE IS LIMITED TO FIRST COME, FIRST GET A SPOT IN THE SHOW!!! You may also
use this ID to forward information to show officials.
--
********************************************************************************
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA - FAIRBANKS, UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA COMPUTER NETWORK
James W. (Jim) Grimes, SXJWG@ORCA.ALASKA.EDU
TENTH ANNIVERSARY AUTO SHOW, MAY 7-9, 1993, PRESENTED BY ARCTIC WHEELS
TO BENEFIT ALASKA CRIPPLED CHILDREN AND ADULTS
Call (907) 488-6937 or write AUTO SHOW, PO Box 60934, Fairbanks, AK 99706-0934
********************************************************************************
| 7rec.autos |
Quebec dominated Habs for first 2 periods and only Roy kept
this one from being rout, although he did blow 2nd goal.
Canadians showed up in third but Nords were playing dump &
pull back most of the time. Hextall made some good saves but
really this one was lost in first period when nords scored 3
& could have had 5, plus another 4 in 2nd. Canadians are dead
meat, they may take one or 2 but this one is over. Tee it up
Jacques, next time you might rest players & forget about 1st
place, welcome to the Adams division.
Dennis
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
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+ ............The OTIS Project '93 +
+ "The Operative Term Is STIMULATE" +
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---this file last updated..4-21-93---
WHAT IS OTIS?
OTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork
and photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny,
and distribution. Digital immortality.
The basic idea behind "digital immortality" is that computer networks
are here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them
will be around near-forever. The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the
artifacts of a digital future. Perhaps they'll be put in different
formats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they'll be
there...and someone will dig them up.
If that doesn't interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique
and exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes
and exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang
as wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors. Suddenly, life is
breathed into your work...and by merit of it's stimulus, it will
travel the globe on pulses of light and electrons.
Spectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and
let the artists know what you think of their efforts. Keep your own
copies of the images to look at when you've got the gumption...
that's what they're here for.
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WHERE?
OTIS currently (as of 4/21/93) has two FTP sites.
141.214.4.135 (projects/otis), the UWI site
sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS), the SUNsite
(you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well)
Merely "anonymous FTP" to either site on Internet and change to the
appropriate directory. Don't forget to get busy and use the "bin"
command to make sure you're in binary.
OTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North
America....the following systems have a substancial supply of
OTIStuff...
Underground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines
CyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527) Usenet Waffle-iron
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HOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE?
What happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely
photo, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put
it in the CONTRIB/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me
(email addresses at eof) in email. After the image is received,
it will be put into the correct directory. Computer originated works
are also welcome.
OTIS' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG.
GIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to
see. These viewers are available for all types of computers at
most large FTP sites around Internet. JPG viewers are a bit
tougher to find. If you can't find one, but do have a GIF viewer,
you can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change
JPG files to a standard GIF format.
OTIS also accepts animation files.
When you submit image files, please send me email at the same time
stating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be
used (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people
to view. Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we'll
be having info-files on each contributing artist and their works. You
can also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of
emailing).
If you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope. Merely send
copies to:
The OTIS Project
c/o Ed Stastny
PO BX 241113
Omaha, NE 68124-1113
I will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will
scan them. Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back.
Also include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line
description of the image that we can include in the infofile in the
directory where it's finally put. If you have preferences as to what
the images are to be named, include those as well.
Conversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please
contact me and we'll arrange things.
If you want to submit your works by disk, peachy. Merely send a 3.5"
disk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back.
This is good for people who don't have direct access to encoders or FTP,
but do have access to a scanner. We accept disks in either Mac or IBM
compatible format. If possible, please submit image files as GIF or
JPG. If you can't...we can convert from most formats...we'd just rather
not have to.
At senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they
can stand. Even if you don't have stuff to contribute, you can send
a blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to
get a slab-o-OTIS.
As of 04/21/93, we're at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing.
Email me for current archive size and directory.
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DISTRIBUTION?
The images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely
on the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is
not altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to
another). In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local
bulletin boards and such. If you could, please transport the
appropriate text files along with the images.
It would also be nice if you'd send me a note when you did post images
from OTIS to your local bbs. I just want to keep track of them so
participants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is.
It's the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as
possible. If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite
BBS system....or even just post this "info-file" there. It would be
keen of you.
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USE?
If you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory,
you'll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the
stipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or
full address credit). You will either find this in the ".rm" file for
the image or series of images...or in the "Artists" directory under the
Artists name. If permission isn't explicitly given, then you'll have
to contact the artist to ask for it. If no info is available, email
me (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I'll get in contact with the artist for
you, or give you their contact information.
When you DO use permitted work, it's always courteous to let the artist
know about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such
compensation for their files.
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NAMING IMAGES?
Please keep the names of your files in "dos" format. That means, keep
the filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less. The way
I usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or
four digit "code" for the series of images, plus the series number.
Thus, Leonardo DeVinci's fifth mechanical drawing would be something
like:
ldmek5.gif OR ldmek5.jpg OR ldmech5.gif ETC
Keeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will
remain intact on all systems.
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CREATING IMAGE FILES?
When creating image files, be sure to at least include your name
somewhere on or below the picture. This gives people a reference in
case they'd like to contact you. You may also want to include a title,
address or other information you'd like people to know.
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HMMM?!
That's about it for now. More "guidelines" will be added as needed.
Your input is expected.
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DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS
(a sumerian deity) or it's followers, be they pope, priest,
or ezine administrator. We do take sacrifices and donations
however.
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DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original
image files. The files will go to the public at large.
It's possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone
could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain.
Unless you've given permission for that, it's illegal. OTIS
takes no responsibility for this. In simple terms, all rights
revert to the author/artist. To leave an image on OTIS is to
give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed
electronically. If you don't want your images distributed
all-over, don't upload them. To leave an image on OTIS is
NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or
broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not
limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software,
screen-printed clothing, etc). You must give specific
permission for this sort of usage.
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Remember, the operative term is "stimulate". If you know of people
that'd be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick'm
in the booty....offer them free food...whatever...
....e (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu)
(ed@sunsite.unc.edu)
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PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS)
Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis)
---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
<KIME.93Apr20133127@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com> <mjones.735335684@fenway>
Organization: Eskimo North (206) 367-3837 {eskimo.com}
Yeah, Morris just knows how to win. That's why he lost 18 for Detroit in
1990. Funny how he wins a lot of games when he pitches on good teams but
loses a lot when he pitches on bad ones. And if "rings" was the only
criteria for success, then teams would always tend to repeat, and
eventually you'd have the same team win the WS every bleepin' year. Sort
of like the yanks in the 50s.
Morris is a decent pitcher on the downside of a good, not great, career.
Toronto will finish 3rd or 4th this year, with Morris and all those
rings, because their pitching staff was destroyed over the off-season.
Steve Thornton stevet@eskimo.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I just thought I would pass along my experience with APS. I recently ordered
an external Quantum 240. The salesperson was friendly and knowledgeable, the
order came when promised, and the invoice was at the price quoted.
Installing the drive was simple; I didn't even have to read the manual. The
SCSI address is set by a pushbutton arrangement. I daisy-chained the drive
from my Syquest (also from APS) and booted up with no problems.
I'm still going through all the shareware that comes on the drive. It's a
pretty good assortment.
The drive/fan is a bit noisier than I would like, but I think it'll be OK.
The speed seems very good, although I haven't run any objective tests. It
also seems to spin up pretty quickly; I can hit the power switch for it, and
almost immediately power the Mac without any problems booting from the drive.
Some observations: the case is plastic (good quality, though) while my older
Syquest case is metal. There is one LED, which is normally green, and
flickers red as the drive is accessed.
Just a data point,
Rich
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"Ludicrous speed!! GO!!!!" | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <rdippold.735595213@qualcom>, rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes:
|> There's been some discussion very recently as to whether the
|> government once again might exempt themselves from something they use
|> to screw us over... Well, from comp.dcom.telecom:
|>
|> From: lesreeves@attmail.com
|> Subject: Odds 'n Ends in the News
|>
|> * The Clipper Chip device introduced yesterday by AT&T may not be
|> suitable for government use, says House Telecom Subcommittee Chairman
|> Markey. In a letter to Commerce Secretary Brown, Markey asked whether
|> the use of the technology could lead to "inadvertently increased costs
|> to those U.S. companies hoping to serve both" the government and
|> private markets. Markey has ordered Brown to answer several questions
|> about security and cost concerns by April 28. (Communications Daily,
|> 4/20/93)
This is stupid. Won't it cost more to those companies hoping to
serve the gov't and private markets if they DON'T use the same
technology?
--
Doug Bank Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207
| 11sci.crypt |
Even better. Make up pete conrad in a Martian Suit,
and have him get ou;t and throw a football
to the refs.
| 14sci.space |
Overall (career)
1. Don Mattingly
2. Don Mattingly
3. Don Mattingly
4. Don Mattingly
5. Don Mattingly
6. Don Mattingly
7. Don Mattingly
8. Don Mattingly
9. Don Mattingly
10. Don Mattingly
11. Don Mattingly
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50. Don Mattingly
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <16BB8CBF3.V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) writes:
>I assume you are saying that no-knock warrants are 'unreasonable', this
>is a matter of opinion and is not a CLEAR violation of the 4th
>admendment. You say that 'this is a country of laws' yet you seem very
>willing to ignore these laws, or at least those you disagree with,
>and respond to a legal situation with 'blazing guns'. Like it or not,
>as it stands now no-knock warrants are legal. If you don't like this
>there are legal means to fight this including contacting your
>congresspersons about changing the law; and, if it happens to you,
>fighting its legality in court.
If an unreasonable warrant is served in the 'knock' fashion, I can see
the warrant, claim it is unreasonable, allow the search, and hire a
lawyer to have the evidence suppressed.
If any warrant is served in the 'no-knock' fashion, all I
see is men with guns bashing in the door. Maybe they've got "POLICE"
or "ATF" jackets, maybe they yell "Police". But ANYONE can do that
with little effort. Even if I have time to take in all this, if I
decide they are police and fail to defend myself, my decision could easily
be fatal.
More likely I can't see the jackets before I have to decide whether to
defend myself or not, and they yell as they are bashing in the door,
so I can't hear them. Or, they've already thrown in some flash-bang
grenades, deafening and confusing me.
--
Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.192615.3465@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>, denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
> Each chip includes the following components:
> the Skipjack encryption algorithm
> F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
> N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)
> U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
[ ... ]
> To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T
> telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and
> we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure
> conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K
> with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place
> without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can
> be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method.
> Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to
> encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The
> telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two
> values:
> E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
> E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,
[ ... ]
> which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement
> field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U
> concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family
> key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after
> an authorized wiretap has been installed.
One very interesting thing I notice about this is that the only use of
the chip key is to encode the session key for the law enforcement field.
It is not used at all by the encryption algorithm.
It seems like it would be possible to create a device that would be
otherwise compatible, but would send out a bogus law enforcement field.
This might render the device unusable with "normal" devices if there's
some sort of validation involving the law enforcement field, but it
could certainly be used with other such modified devices.
Of course, this is irrelevant if the NSA has a backdoor in the
algorithm, but it does make it possible to defeat the key escrow system.
--
Wilt thou seal up avenues of ill? Pay every | Tom Weinstein
debt, as though God wrote the bill. -- Emmerson | tomw@orac.esd.sgi.com
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in
CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of
CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to
CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this
CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.
CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for
CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
CH> Just curious.
I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups
already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly
into one of these categories.
Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga
groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split
would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured
environment.
--
/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
/ Michael Nerone \"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\
/ Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\
/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it."-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1r35oe$hqd@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|> In article <1r2kt7$6e1@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> #In article <1qugin$9tf@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|> #|> In article <1qkogg$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> #|>
|> #|> #And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical,
|> #|> #critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and
|> #|> #easily led on the other.
|> #|>
|> #|> Indeed I may. And one may be an atheist and also be gullible, excitable
|> #|> and easily led.
|> #|>
|> #|> #I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates
|> #|> #that a person is easily led. Whether they have a worship or belief
|> #|> #in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be
|> #|> #beside the point.
|> #|>
|> #|> Sure. But whether or not they are atheists is what we are discussing,
|> #|> not whether they are easily led.
|> #
|> #Not if you show that these hypothetical atheists are gullible, excitable
|> #and easily led from some concrete cause. In that case we would also
|> #have to discuss if that concrete cause, rather than atheism, was the
|> #factor that caused their subsequent behaviour.
|>
|> I'm not arguing that atheism causes such behaviour - merely that
|> it is not relevant to the definition of atheism, which is 'lack of belief in
|> gods'.
Throw away the FAQ. We can all just ask Mr O'Dwyer, since he can
define the thing that the rest of us only talk about.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>} They assembled a frightening arsenal of weapons
>What, exactly, did you find frightening about their weapons?
The lethality in small part, but mostly what I found frightening
was the fact that they were wielded by people who believed that they
ate breakfast every morning with Jesus Christ. Now I wasn't there in
Galilee back in the Roman occupation, so I don't know for certain that
David Koresh was not Jesus Christ, but I strongly suspect that he was
not (even aside from the fact of never having seen them in a photograph
together).
>}by circumventing laws which were intended to prevent such a buildup.
>
>Which laws are you making reference to?
I admit I can't cite a specific, but if there isn't a law against
purchasing grenade components and assembling them into functioning units
then perhaps we need one. All second ammendment arguments aside, I'm just
not sure that I like the idea of private citizens with hand grenades.
--
Nathan Engle Software Juggler
Psychology Department Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>
>Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room,
>at a competitive price.
>
>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
>the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come
>off easily.
Lack of build quality was the thing I notced on the first 2 LH's I
saw months back. The panel gaps were large and non-uniform between
the 2 cars I saw - the kind of thing you expect and accept on a
Mustang - but not from Chrysler's savior. I drove one of the low
end cars, and thought it was more than adequate. I'd prefer
an LH to a Taurus from my brief experience.
Craig
>
>I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly
>problems that will show up later.
>
>I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good
>track record.
>
>Jason Chen
| 7rec.autos |
>San Jose will then get Kariya
ya know that kind of funny cause I've seen Kariya on Campus
with a Sharks hat on.......
Pat Ellis
P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......
HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....
HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......
PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......
NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <27687.463.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes:
} Do one thing right and do it well.
Do you consider trying to make abortion illegal an example of this?
--
hang gliding mailing list: hang-gliding-request@virginia.edu
Galen Hekhuis UVa Health Sci Ctr (804)982-1646 gjh@virginia.edu
Illiterate? Write for FREE help...
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hello,
I saw this question posted a week or so ago, but as far as I could tell no
answer appeared on the net. What is the good oil on connecting the Apple
Extended Keyboard to a PowerBook? The earlier questioner wonderd if this would
be too much of a load for the PB and as I want to connect just such a beast I
am curious.
I haven't got a PB yet so I can't RTFM but I assume that a standard keyboard
with a mouse would be ok as the spec sheet I read mentioned connecting an
external keyboard. But is the Extended plus mouse pushing it?
Any help gratefully recieved. I will summarise to the net if necessary.
Thanks, John Collins.
P.S. I am thinking of a PB160 but I assume that this would apply to all PB's.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Hello. My colleague has a Samtron monitor. On the manual
cover, it says SC-431 and SC-428 for model numbers. The
manual does not specify if it is interlaced or non-interlaced,
so does anyone know what it is?
thanks
------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
If "I forgot" doesn't have as much credibility as you'd like, consider
this alternative. Somewhere on the hard disk, duplicated a few times,
keep a 128-bit random number. When the 128-bit digest of your
passphrase is computed, it is XORred with the random number before being
used as the key for your hard disk. Writing random junk over the random
numbers makes the hard disk unreadable by anyone.
Now, if you were merely to *claim* that you have written random junk
over the XOR key, no-one would be able to tell whether or not you were
telling the truth. This is (a) perjury, and (b) vunerable to
rubber-hose cryptography, but otherwise effective.
__ _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
| 11sci.crypt |
We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't
fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...). Anyway, turning
the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch
hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I
got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling
sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel
a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.)
I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although
it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the
pain subsided.
This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise.
I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder
what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?).
I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into
shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this?
Thanks,
--
**********************************************************************
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Northern Telecom INTERNET:janet@ntmtv.com
Mtn. View, CA.
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| 13sci.med |
Readers,
I have found that the cache upgrade options for the Mac IIsi include the
following: 1) AE QuickSilver
2) Daystar Fastcache IIsi
3) Daystar ComboCache IIsi
4) LogiCache IIsi 64k cache
I'd be interested in hearing opinions on any or all of these options.
The other alternative is to upgrade to a CPU accelerator such as the
LogiCache 50 MHz. Ideas, comparisions?
felix lin
feilimau@leland.stanford.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I agree with Jeff's reply. I've never changed the brake fluid except when
having a brake job, which is usually at around 80,000 miles (alot of
freeway driving). However, I will start to do this as preventative
maintenance on my new car. Also, there are brake system flushing agents
that can be used but the problem is that if any of the agent is left in the
system, it can cause problems, so it's been recommended NOT to use them unless
you are 100% certain that you can remove all of the flushing agent. Just for
your info, I was quoted a price of: labor=$29.95 and fluid=$9.95 for
flushing the brake system; this in conjunction with a break job so I don't
know if it was more without the brake job. This is in the S.F Bay Area.
| 7rec.autos |
>I can probably buy the
>tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY
>MYSELF
You may also want to buy a 'self injector' or something like that.
My friend is diabetic. You load the hyperdermic, put it in a plastic case
and set a spring to automatically push the needle into the skin and depress
the plunger.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Tonight's special guest:
Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany
aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu
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| 13sci.med |
This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought
not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would
think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic.
Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much
larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually,
they will simply be able to afford more stuff.
Graydon
| 14sci.space |
Has anyone ever hooked a Hayes 2400 Macintosh modem up
to the serial port on a PC? What are the pin outs
to do this? I have a mac printer cable to hook a DB 25
to the Mac serial port. Can I hook the two Mini-8 ports
together? Do I have to swap pins?
Thanx in advance.
Scott
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:
:
: Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it.
: You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do
: you? If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear.
I understand that they had the neccessary licenses and permits to own
automatic weapons.
: The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the
: individual. Go ahead, call me a commie, but you'd be singing a different
: tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. He broke the law, he
: was a threat to society, they did there job - simple.
I haven't seen any proof (or even evidence) that the BD's had broken the
law. If you have proof (or evidence), let's hear it. "The FBI said so" is
NOT evidence.
:
: I'll support them all (except no. 2)
I guess there will always be people who wish to be peasants. The politicians
prefer unarmed peasants
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Tigger (djohnson@moose.uvm.edu) wrote:
: Hi!
:
: Is it possible through either pin configuration or through software
: programming to change the IP numbers on an ethernet card?
:
: Thanks in Advance!
:
: --
: =-Dave *Tigger!*
:
: djohnson@moose.uvm.edu 'Tiggers are wonderful things!'
: Dave C Johnson
I think you mean the ethernet numbers. The 8 byte ethernet id is the unique
Electronic Serial Number (ESN) assigned to each ethernet board in existence.
This is a "physical layer" concept. The IP address is a higher layer protocol.
The analogy to telephone service is the IP address is your phone number, while
the particular wire pair in the cable on the pole has some (unknown to you or
I) physical identification scheme (number).
But to answer your question (assuming you indeed meant the Ethernet number)
it is not supposed to be possible to change the number. Of course the
manufacturer can always retro-fit a board, but there could hardly be a
reason to ever do that.
If your question is actually referring to the IP address, it is most definetly
changable. But it is strictly software.
Gordon Lang
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <Apr.21.03.25.34.1993.1316@geneva.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:
>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
>>
>> Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning
>> exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so
>> easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should
>> behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances
>> at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and
>> cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward
>> others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived
>> from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to
>> strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world
>> peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.)
>
>I agree that there is truth in scripture. There are principles to be
>learned from it. Claiming that that truth is absolute, though, seems
>to imply a literal reading of the Bible. If it were absolute truth
>(constant across time, culture, etc.) then no interpretation would be
>necessary.
I strongly disagree that absolute truth would not require interpretation.
That's because truth may be absolute, but it may not be obvious. Like
so many things, the truth is always subject to misinterpretation.
I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I
deign from commenting much further.
>> Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those
>> truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does
>> preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal
>> clear (at least to evangelicals).
>
>This is where the arrogance comes in to play. Since these principles
>are crystal clear to evangelicals, maybe the rest of us should just take
>their word for it? Maybe it isn't at all crystal clear to *me* that
>their fundamental principles are either fundamental *or* principles.
Now hold it. I never said that Christians cannot be arrogant. Indeed, as
many other Christians on SRC have stressed before, this is a trap that
Christians must always be wary about. However, this does not mean that if
you believe in the absolutes established by the Bible, you are necessarily
being arrogant. A Christian can believe that the Word of God is absolute,
but he or she should not expect this to be immediately evident to everyone.
>So, I think that your position is:
>The Bible is absolute truth, but as we are prone to error in our
>interpretation, we cannot reliably determine if we have figured out
>what that truth is.
>Did I get that right?
Not quite. You say that according to my stance, we cannot *reliably*
determine what is true. That is not what I said. I say that as fallible
human beings, we cannot discern the truth with 100% certainty. The
distinction is subtle yet important.
When a scientist performs an experiment, he can claim that his results
are reliable, without claiming that absolutely no mistake whatsoever could
have been made. In other words, he can admit that he could be mistaken,
without sacrificing his convictions.
Nobody can establish what absolute truth is with 100% certainty.
Throughout the centuries, philosophers have argued about what we can know
with complete certainty and what we cannot. Descartes made a step in the
right direction when he uttered, "Cogito, ergo sum," yet we have not advanced
much beyond that.
Do you believe that other people aside from you exist? Do you believe that
the computer terminal you are using exists? If so, can you be absolutely
certain about that? Are you sure it is not some grand illusion? Of course,
you have no such assurance. This does not mean, however, that for all
practical purposes, you can be certain that they exist. So it is with
Christianity. The most mature Christians I know have deep convictions about
absolute morality, yet they acknowledge that there is a non-zero probability
that they are wrong. This does not, however, mean that they should (or do)
abandon these absolutes.
>What's the point of spending all this time claiming and defending
>absolute truth, when we can never know what those truths are, and we
>can never (or at least shouldn't) act upon them? What practical
>difference can this make?
As I said, we can never be absolutely certain that we are correct. This does
not mean that we cannot be certain enough, in light of the evidence, to
render all doubts unreasonable.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I'm looking for some recommendations for screen capture programs. A
couple of issues ago, PC Mag listed as Editor's Choices both Conversion
Artist and Hijaak for Windows. Anyone have any experience with those or
some others? I'm trying to get an alpha manual in the next few days, and
I'm not making much progress with the screen shots. :^(
I'm currently using DoDot and I'm about to burn it and the disks it rode
it on. It's got a lot of freaky bugs and *oversights* that are driving
me crazy. Tonight it decided that for any graphic it writes out as a
TIFF file that's under a certain arbitrary size, it will swap the left
and right sides of the picture [!]. Usually it confines itself to not
copying things to the clipboard (so I have to save and load pix for
editing in paintbrush) or crashing every hour or so.
The one nice thing it has, though, is it's "dither" option. You'd think
that this would turn colors into dots, which it does if you go from, say,
256 colors to 16 colors. But if you go from 256 or 16 colors to B&W,
you can set a threshold level for which colors turn to black and which
turn to white. For me, this is useful because I can turn light grays on
buttons to white, and the dark grays to black, and thereby preserve the
3d-effect on buttons and other parts of the window.
If you understood my description :^) can you tell me if another (less
buggy!) program can do this as well?
Much thanks for any help.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
> THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS
>
> Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip
[...]
> Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked
[...]
> The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth
[...]
> The army said it was checking the reports.
Barfling brings us some curious stories that haven't been reported
outside of fertile imaginations. This fits in well with a report in
the New York Times from April 18, 1993:
***********************************
Scores of Girls in Egypt Faint in Classrooms
By Chris Hedges
Cairo, April 17
The khamseen, the blustery sandstorms that arrive every spring, have
brought with them not only the usual clouds of grit and dust but also
what the authorities describe as collective hysteria.
Hundreds of teen-age girls have been fainting en masse in classrooms,
breaking out in sobs and complaining of unpleasant smells and nausea.
[...]
"There is no clinical reason for it," said Dr. Ahmed Rashed at Agouza
Hospital, where dozens of girls have been tested. "It's just
hysteria. We have carried out blood tests, urine tests, every kind of
test we can think of and nothing has shown up."
More than a thosand young girls between 12 and 18 have suffered
attacks in some 40 schools across the country since the first cases
were reported over two weeks ago.
[...]
Lawmakers and commentators have attributed the fainting to everything
from food posoning to a plot by unamed enemy agents to make Egyptian
women infertile.
Similar attacks have been reported from time to time through Europe.
One was reported about a decade ago in the Israeli-Occupied Gaza
Strip.
Islamic fundamentalist leaders have blamed the Israeli secret service
for the spells. "This is all the work of the Mossad," said a militant
cleric in Imbaba, a Cairo slum. "They are seeding capsules around the
country that release something into the air that can't be detected.
It has a special effect on the hormones of young girls. It is part of
a plot to destroy Egypt."
[Where have seen this argument before? Because there is no
evidence for the conspiracy, therefore it must be true...]
[...]
Health Minister Ragheb Dewidar said that neither medical or
environmental tests had found any contaminant and that the cause was
psychological. "If one girl who is popular or a leader feels faint
for some reason," he said, "the others start believing that they are
suffering from the sypmtoms."
But no one is taking the matter lightly. Prime Minister Atef Sedki
has held regular mettings with Mr. Dewidar to discuss the attacks.
Government officials say they are determined to bring the phenomenon
to an end.
"Parents and teachers should fight against these rumors and accept the
results of our scientific analysis," Education Minister Hussein Kamal
Bahadeen said.
***********************************
You can't make this stuff up. Unless you're Barfling, perhaps...
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
(Book Review):
"THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North
Pacific Publishers, Portland, Oregon, 456 pages, indexed,
hardcover.
"THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to
most ALL astrophysical mysteries.
This book is Volume III of a revised and enlarged
edition of "THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE", 1959.
Volume I is "NOTHING BUT MOTION" (1979), and Volume II is
"THE BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER" (1988).
Most books and journal articles on the subject of
astrophysics are bristling with integrals, partial
differentials, and other FANCY MATHEMATICS. In this book, by
contrast, mathematics is conspicuous by its absence, except
for some relatively simple formulas imbedded in the text.
Larson emphasizes CONCEPTS and declares that mathematical
agreement with a theory does NOT guarantee its conceptual
validity.
Dewey B. Larson was a retired engineer with a Bachelor
of Science Degree in Engineering Science from Oregon State
University. He developed the Theory described in his books
while trying to find a way to MATHEMATICALLY CALCULATE the
properties of chemical compounds based ONLY on the elements
they contain.
"THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" describes the astrophysical
portions of Larson's CONSISTENT, INTEGRATED, COMPREHENSIVE,
GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, a kind of
"grand unified field theory" that orthodox physicists and
astro-physicists CLAIM to be looking for. It is built on two
postulates about the physical and mathematical nature of
space and time:
(1) The physical universe is composed ENTIRELY of ONE
component, MOTION, existing in THREE dimensions, in DISCRETE
units, and with two RECIPROCAL aspects, SPACE and TIME.
(2) The physical universe conforms to the relations of
ORDINARY COMMUTATIVE mathematics, its primary magnitudes are
ABSOLUTE, and its geometry is EUCLIDEAN.
From these two postulates, Larson was able to build a
COMPLETE theoretical universe, from photons and subatomic
particles to the giant elliptical galaxies, by combining the
concept of INWARD AND OUTWARD SCALAR MOTIONS with
translational, vibrational, rotational, and rotational-
vibrational motions. At each step in the development, he was
able to match parts of his theoretical universe with
corresponding parts in the real physical universe, including
EVEN THINGS NOT YET DISCOVERED. For example, in his 1959
book, he first predicted the existence of EXPLODING GALAXIES,
several years BEFORE astronomers started finding them. They
are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of his comprehensive Theory. And
when quasars were discovered, he had a related explanation
ready for those also.
As a result of his theory, which he called "THE
RECIPROCAL SYSTEM", Larson TOTALLY REJECTED many of the
sacred doctrines of orthodox physicists and astrophysicists,
including black holes, neutron stars, degenerate matter,
quantum wave mechanics (as applied to atomic structure),
"nuclear" physics, general relativity, relativistic mass
increases, relativistic Doppler shifts, nuclear fusion in
stars, and the big bang, all of which he considered to be
nothing more than MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES. He was very
critical of the AD HOC assumptions, uncertainty principles,
solutions in principle, "no other way" declarations, etc.,
used to maintain them.
"THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION" is divided into 31 chapters.
It begins with a description of how galaxies are built from
the gravitational attraction between globular star clusters,
which are formed from intergalactic gas and dust clouds that
accumulate from the decay products of cosmic rays coming in
from the ANTI-MATTER HALF of the physical universe. (Galaxy
formation from the MYTHICAL "big bang" is a big mystery to
orthodox astronomers.) He then goes on to describe life
cycles of stars and how binary and multiple star systems and
solar systems result from Type I supernova explosions of
SINGLE stars.
Several chapters are devoted to quasars which, according
to Larson, are densely-packed clusters of stars that have
been ejected from the central bulges of exploding galaxies
and are actually traveling FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT
(although most of that speed is AWAY FROM US IN TIME).
Astronomers and astrophysicists who run up against
observations that contradict their theories would find
Larson's explanations quite valuable if considered with an
OPEN MIND. For example, they used to believe that GAMMA RAY
BURSTS originated from pulsars, which exist primarily in the
plane or central bulge of our galaxy. But the new gamma ray
telescope in earth orbit observed that the bursts come from
ALL DIRECTIONS UNIFORMLY and do NOT correspond with any
visible objects, (except for a few cases of directional
coincidence). Larson's explanation is that the gamma ray
bursts originate from SUPERNOVA EXPLOSIONS in the ANTI-MATTER
HALF of the physical universe, which Larson calls the "cosmic
sector". Because the anti-matter universe exists in a
RECIPROCAL RELATION to our material universe, with the speed
of light as the BOUNDARY between them, and has THREE
dimensions of time and ONLY ONE dimension of space, the
bursts can pop into our material universe ANYWHERE seemingly
at random.
Larson heavily quotes or paraphrases statements from
books, journal articles, and leading physicists and
astronomers. In this book, 351 of them are superscripted
with numbers identifying entries in the reference list at the
end of the book. For example, a quote from the book
"Astronomy: The Cosmic Journey", by William K. Hartmann,
says, "Our hopes of understanding all stars would brighten if
we could explain exactly how binary and multiple stars
form.... Unfortunately we cannot." Larson's book contains
LOGICAL CONSISTENT EXPLANATIONS of such mysteries that are
WORTHY OF SERIOUS CONSIDERATION by ALL physicists,
astronomers, and astrophysicists.
For more information, answers to your questions, etc.,
please consult my CITED SOURCES (Larson's BOOKS).
UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
IMPORTANT Book Review is ENCOURAGED.
Robert E. McElwaine
B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC
| 14sci.space |
WARNING WARNING MAY CAUSE UNPLEASANTNESS!
In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750
>shows that the light switch is a three position switch.
>
>high beam
>low beam
>Both beams
>
>
>Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
>2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
>you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
>and low beams go on.
>
>This provides a very nice light coverage of the
>road.
>
>This is true for the St11 and the VFR750 and I would expect for any
>other late model Honda with the standard two position light switch.
>
It's a "make before break" type of switch. If not required, it ought to be
for high-low beams.
There might be a wee problem with this. If you use both filaments at the
same time, the bulb is tossing out a great deal more heat than normal.
Possibly enough to shorten it's life span. My Honda CRX cage [a cage that
really wanted to be a bike] had wimpy stock lights. So we used to run
around with both beams on. Made a mucho big difference - until both low
beam filaments died nearly simultaneously! This was two weeks after
finding out how nice it was to use both beams. I replaced the lights with
quartz-halogen lights and that ended the problem.
Neil Kirby DoD #0783 nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs Columbus OH USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Sterrenkundig symposium 'Compacte Objecten'
op 26 april 1993
In het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de
Universiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar
eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede
universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste
waarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde
in de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de
voorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350
jaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond.
De huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten
sterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht,
vieren de benoeming van hun 'oervader' middels een breed scala
aan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een
planetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal
voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies
Natalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er
staat echter meer op stapel.
Studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een
sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het
symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het
huidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten
'compacte objecten', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren.
Bij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de
deelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van
de stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de
eerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een
beknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren,
waarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een
half uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten
zullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot
het stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op
een apart vel.
Het niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars
studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN
ZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM!
Tijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed
gaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht
Westerbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen
het heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van
een snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar,
in de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren.
Prof. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel
opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en
trachten te verklaren.
Het slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de
technische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn
namelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10
miljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30
Watt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal
er niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse
technologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren.
Deelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en
f 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het
verschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening
44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de
ABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te
worden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving
wordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na
31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren.
Het symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I,
Universiteit Utrecht.
Voor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij
Henrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht.
Tel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl.
******* DAGPROGRAMMA **************************************
9:30 ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE
10:00 Opening
Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht)
10:10 Dubbelster evolutie
Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers
10:25 Radiopulsars
Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht)
11:00 Pulsars in dubbelster systemen
Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht)
11:50 Massa & straal van neutronensterren
Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam)
12:25 Theorie van accretieschijven
Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht)
13:00 LUNCH
14:00 Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit?
Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam)
14:35 Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren
en zwarte gaten
Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam)
15:10 THEE & KOFFIE
15:30 Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd
Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden)
16:05 afsluiting
16:25 BORREL
--
Gert-Jan van Lochem \\ "What is it?"
Fysische informatica \\ "Something blue"
Universiteit Utrecht \\ "Shapes, I need shapes!"
030-532803 \\ - HHGG -
| 14sci.space |
Hi:
I need some advice (opinions?) regarding which PC would best suit my needs!
I want to use this (proposed) beast for basically four things:
- Editing documents using WordPerfect 5.1 (under dos)
- Creating graphs/analyzing data using Sigmaplot V5.0 (under dos)
- Editing/playing with images using Aldus PhotoStyler, running under
Windows 3.1 - these images can be large, say 2k x 2k, 24bits/pixel
- Using the PC as an Xterminal, running DesqView/X 1.1 and Sun PC-NFS,
talking to our network of Sparcstation's - this is where a lot of
the images/data come from, and is the most demanding of these tasks.
I've read, read, read PC magazines, performed benchmarks, read this newsgroup,
and decided that a "nice" system (price/performance) would be:
486DX-50 256k cache, ISA, VLB, 16meg ram
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, 2 meg ram, local bus
15" monitor, 1280x1024 NI
3Com Etherlink III 16bit
Maxtor 240MB IDE hard drive
However, the parts don't fit! Our local retailer apparently put one of these
together, only to discover that the ATI card wouldn't run at 50MHz - surprise
surprise. Actually, after reading this group, I'm surprised that they even
have a 50MHz local bus running...
I have a choice now between basically the above system but with a
486DX2-66 with ISA and VLB, or, a 486DX-50 with EISA and no VLB (and thus
the non-local bus version of the ATI card). Which is better, keeping in mind
that I'm primarily interested in the last two tasks?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! (I need to decide quickly, so any
speedy help would be appreciated even more!!)
BTW: We have a system now to perform these tasks, it has the following
configuration:
486DX-33 64k cache, ISA, 8 meg ram
ATI Graphics Ultra+, 2 meg ram
14" monitor, 1024x768 NI
SMC Ethercard 8 bit
Maxtor 120MB IDE hard drive
We're quite happy with the ATI card - very fast, ONCE the data gets to it!!
~Slow~ repainting images under PhotoStyler that have moved off screen, or
been uncovered!
There doesn't seem to be enough raw cpu when running DesqView/X! Its sluggish
running the local window manager. Also, many functions under PhotoStyler take
a long time (even when the images fit entirely in ram).
There's not enough memory in the system - DesqView/X and a 1 meg SmartDrive
don't leave much room for other apps. Photostyler will page to disk with
medium size images.
I have performed a number of benchmarks on the ethernet transfer rates. This
machine sustains only 120k/sec over ethernet while our Sparcs sustain 600k/sec
on the same network. Going to the 16 bit version of the SMC card increases
transfer rates to 160k/sec - still very slow (especially when moving large
images). Is there such a thing as a local-bus ethernet card coming?? Will it
make a difference? I'm hoping so, and leaning towards the 486DX2-66 choice
(above), for that reason.
Also, are there DX2-100's on the horizon? What about DX3-99's? DX3-150's ???!
Any information is greatly appreciated.
-----
Ross Mitchell, Imaging Research Lab, | rmitch@irus.rri.uwo.ca
John P. Robarts Research Institute |
P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Drive | office: (519) 663-3833
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5K8 | home: (519) 657-4437
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr21.182030.888@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
> The default condition, in the absence of a preponderance of
>evidence either way, is that the proposition or assertion is undecidable.
>And the person who takes the undecidable position and says that he/she
>simply disbelieves that the proposition is true, is the only one who
>holds no burden of proof. This is why the so-called "weak atheist"
>position is virtually unassailable -- not because it stands on a firm
>foundation of logical argument, but because it's proponents simply
>disbelieve in the existence of God(s) and therefore they hold no burden
>of proof. When you don't assert anything, you don't have to prove
>anything. That's where weak atheism draws its strength. But its
>strength is also its Achilles' heel. Without assertions/axioms, one
>has no foundation upon which to build. As a philosophy, it's virtually
>worthless. IMO, of course.
Yes, as a philosophy weak atheism is worthless. This is true in
exactly the same sense that as a philosophy Christians' disbelief in
Zeus is worthless. Atheists construct their personal philosophies
from many different sources, building non-god-based ideas in the same
way as Christians build non-Zeus-based ideas of thunderbolts.
Atheists no more *base* their philosophy on atheism than Christians
base theirs on the nonexistence of Zeus.
The "weak atheist" position is logically extremely assailable -- any
logical demonstration of the existence of a god completely destroys it
as soon as the demonstration is made in the presence of a given weak
atheist. Atheists in this newsgroup are barraged regularly with
attempts to provide such a logical demonstration, and they all fail
miserably. In fact, most of the people around here who claim the
"strong (as opposed to mathematical) atheist" position do so on this
basis: not only do we not believe in a god, but also all the arguments
presented in favor of particular gods have to date proven unsound;
therefore, one can say that those gods as argued by those arguments do
not exist. This doesn't apply to such philosophers' gods as are
defined to be logically undemonstrable, but these are not the gods of
popular religion, and the coherence of such claims is quite
questionable.
--
Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC
These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
>>Ron Miller wrote:
>>When you ask the question of the "authorities" or sponsors of buyback
>>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer
>>"no, it's total amnesty".
> (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted)
> I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is
>no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing.
>
>
> Myron Petro
> NRA, USPSA
> DVC y'all
> **************************************************************************
> The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility.
> And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the
> Second Amendment.
If amnesty was their concern, they should pay in cash rather than moneyorder
and they should check to see if the gun turned in was stolen or not.
This way if a gun turns out to be stolen, then even if they wanted to
prosecute, they don't know who to prosecute.
Since the only concern of these(HCI and the like) people seems to be the total
eradication of guns( legal or illegal ), why should they bother to check for
stolen property. If they knew who the rightful owner is, then they would have
to return the gun and hence contrary to their intent to ban all guns.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C5vzDv.Mxw.1@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>In article <C5sDCK.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
>>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>>
>>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents
>>>>of those files.
>>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:
>>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?
>>
>>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including
>>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer
>>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members
>>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps?
>>
>>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war
>>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is
>>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals
>>only a few years ago.
>>
>
>The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*.
>
>Let me see...you're saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS should be
>spied on? You're also saying that "most if not all" Arab-AMERICANS
>should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US,
>as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in
>which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume
>that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses
>a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on?
Like it or not, Edward, Anwar has a very good, valid point. Obviously,
in presenting it, he (quite legitimately and deliberately) takes a point
of view to an extreme which might not have been what you intended, but
that is one of the best ways to demonstrate a "slippery slope" type of
argument, which I believe was his aim.
I very frankly believe that the ADL will be proved innocent in this
case. I doubt there's enough evidence to weigh against them even in a
civil court, where preponderance of the evidence, not evidence beyond
any reasonable doubt, is the standard for "winning" such a case. That,
however, does not prevent me from seeing the merit in Anwar's point.
Rest deleted.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <9834@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)
writes:
> In article <C5wEwD.Kto@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:
> >In article <9729@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)
writes:
>
ielding RF of all time, as far
> as anyone can tell
>
> I did a quick scan last night, looking for players with a peak
comparable
> to or better than Winfield. In my quick-n-dirty subjective judgement,
you
> could make good cases for Ruth, Aaron, Ott, Robinson, Clemente, Kaline,
> Maris, Klein, Jackson, Waner, and probably a few others. This is not a
> knock on Winfield, but a comment on his consistency: all of those other
> players had awesome stretches and very good stretches, while Winfield
has
> been more uniformly excellent. Hall of Fame? Absolutely. Top-10 peak?
> I'm not so sure. Top 10 total career value? Yes, almost certainly.
>
>
Point taken. When was winfield's peak years anyway? probably around 85.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <2062@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
><Ignoring the National Guard or state militias being called out to
><deal with mine strikers and the like...didn't the army get called in
><during the '20s to deal with a bunch of WW1 veterans who came out to
><protest the government's (mis)handling of their rights?
><
><Somebody named MacArthur ran the field end of the operation.
>
>Wasn't that the 'Bonus Rebellion', when tanks were deployed against
>US Citizens? Grist for those who insist 'It couldn't happen here...'
But also grist for those who think that when such things DO
happen it means the end of the Republic is imminent. The
Bonus March was 61 year ago.
---peter
| 16talk.politics.guns |
>In article <C61rDq.5v5@chinet.chi.il.us>, schneier@chinet.chi.il.us
>(Bruce Schneier) writes:
>
>|> Unlike the CIA, the NSA has no prohibition against domestic spying. Read
>|> Bamford's THE PUZZLE PALACE.
>
>We had a senior NSA scientist in Cambridge at one of our workshops recently
>(in fact he was here when the Clipper announcement was made, but we didn't
>learn of it till after he'd gone). He said on this point that he was forbidden
>by law to monitor conversations between US nationals (and he is a chap who is
>very precise about his choice of words). So I don't expect he'd have any qualms
>about monitoring a domestic US conversation if one of the parties was an alien.
>
>However it got me thinking of the Navajo code talkers. Just imagine:
>
>+ `Hello, is that the Iraqi mission in New York? This is the Iraqi foreign
>+ ministry in Baghdad, I am Farouq Hussein, US citizen, social security number
>+ so-and-so'
>
>+ `Yes, indeed, this is the New York mission, Mustafa Jadid speaking, also a
>+ US citizen, my social security number is such-and-such, here is our report
>+ on activities against the Satan Clinton'
>
>Ross
>
This one is easy, they 'tape' the conversation, call the FBI or
Secret Service. You see "activities against the Satan Clinton" could be
construed as a threat against the President of the United States. I am
sure they(NSA,FBI,SS,...,...) have enough judges in their collective
pockets to have a warrent before the call is over.....
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| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr21.114335.7071@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, golf@phoenix.oulu.fi
(Jouko Kylmaoja) wrote:
>
> I watched the game Germany-Czechs in WC today...and i was astonished about
> the behaviour of the German audience!
> The German team got a few penalties in the last period and the crowd went
> grazy! They threw coins, extra pucks and other trash into the rink...is
> that stupid or what?? I guess the Canadian referee (one of the
> Isostar-bros ;) gave the German team a penalty for that, but it didn't help
> much.
> I guess the Germans just are proud over their Nazi-Kill-'em-All-Everyone-
> But-Us-Germans-Sucks attitude...they just seem to have that kind of attitude
> in every possible sport (remember the European champs in Stockholm in soccer)
> It really pisses me off!
> I do not mean that every single German has this attitude that sucks, but
> most of them seem to do...
I can understand your anger about the German audience. I mean, it was the
Finnish team they played and they were taking advantage of the ridiculous
penalties the Canadien ref called in the last period. The Germans got a
match penalty and a 10 minutes misconduct for practically nothing and
seconds after that the German goalie got two minutes for "delay of game"
for a shot that was deflected and went into the crowd. The resulting 5:3
skating advantage lead to the deciding goal at a point, when the Germans
were starting to come up strong.
I am also sick of the nationalism that is going on in German sports events.
If you watch for example a tennis Davis Cup match the players are often not
able to play for minutes, because the crowd is so obnoxious. But I have to
admit that this kind of nationalism is as strong or even stronger in most
other countries (you should go to the US and watch the way they present the
Olympics on television; or the soccer crowds in England; or the Finnish
spectators at nordic skiing events.....). I mean it makes me sick to see
all this nationalism all over the world and I would rather see the best
team/player win and get cheared at. I do not mind if my favorite team
looses to somebody that is better or plays more attractive and I have to
admit that in most sports the German national site is not my favorite team
to watch (the German soccer team is boring to watch, for example).
But, reading the above posting, I think that you are on the same level as
these crowds you are criticizing. It is easy to talk of (nearly all)
Germans as Nazis and nationalists; thats the kind of propaganda that all
ultraconservative people use against Germany. It is true that there is a
great danger of re-arising nationalism in Germany but from my experience
most of the people (at least of the people that i know) also regard this as
a big threat and are trying to demonstrate this attitude now. Why can't we
just look at people as human beeings and not try to put them into drawers
corresponding to their nationality (eg. all Russians are Communists; all
Americans are Capitalists; all Germans are Nazis, all Fins are hanging
around beeing drunk on ferries...).
In my opinion, your comment shows the narrowness of your mind and that you
don't seem to be different from the Nazis you are talking about.
Thomas
"There's no time to hate, barely time to wait" (Jerry Garcia/Robert Hunter)
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1qh4m5INN2pu@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E.
King) wrote:
> Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would
> still be living in the area, but by the same token it would
> never be "rebuilt". Obviously , if people are still there they
> would live in houses, correct? Their "nets" implies a fishing
> village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from
> its original position of stature .
Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and
they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there
and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead
it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing-
and-they-needed-houses' place.
> So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000.
> Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards
> we are talking about a one-horse town.
Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000
people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from
now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded
in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms
were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities
along the coast of Finland.
I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the
small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen
fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-)
Cheers,
Kent
---
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <Apr26.175327.86241@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
>|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that
>|> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's
>|> holding to the security zone.
>|>
>|> Noam
>
>
>
>I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point
>and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians.
>
>Basil
>
Absolutely. I'm sure that civilians on both sides would be pleased
if the fighters (military, guerilla, whatever) would just take their
argument elsewhere, find an unpopulated area somewhere, and slug it out.
At that point, we will all breath a sigh of relief *and* cheer for
our side in the struggle.
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Have anyone some idea about how to build a cheap, low
resolution (or high :-) video projector...
(example: a LCD and an slide projector)
.
| 12sci.electronics |
Praise God! I'm writing everyone to inform you that I have been
accepted to the Doctor of Psychology program at Fuller Theological
Seminary in Pasadena, CA. I've been working long and hard to try to
get in there and have said many hours of prayer. I'm very excited for
this opportunity, but also very nervous about it.
I'd appreciate the prayers of the readers of this group for my preparation
for school this summer and for my career as a graduate student. I'd also
appreciate any information any of the readers of this group might have
about Fuller, Pasadena, or California in general, like good places to
have fun, good churches to check out, or anything else that might be
good for me to know. Also, if anyone knows of any foundations that
might have funding or scholarship money available, please let me know!
Of course, if you wish to make a personal contribution.....:)
The contract for my current job is over at the end of April. I'll be
taking a couple classes at UT this summer and then I'll be moving to
Pasadena. Hopefully, I'll be able to get net.access next fall, although
Fuller doesn't have it itself.
I've enjoyed the interesting discussions and I commend everyone for their
earnest search to please God. Thanks to our moderator for providing
such a wonderful service and in doing a great job of running this news
group.
May God bless you all. Vaya con Dios, mi amigas y amigos.
Paul
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
We have a minivas-2 and we want to record to an Abekas A66.
We have most of the functions working but when we go to
set up a record the minivas hangs. We are sending the
abekas SMPTE time code. Does anyone have code we can
compare to what we have done and is there and ftp site
for minivas and abekas code.
Gordon Phillips
glp@cray.com
--
Gordon Phillips - glp@cray.com
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <30937@galaxy.ucr.edu> raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu (Raffi R Kojian) writes:
>> Come again? The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing
>> glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood
>> and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged
>> in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed
>> genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia
>> and x-Soviet Armenia before and during World War I and fully
>> participated in the extermination of the European Jewry
>> during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,
>> rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the
>> Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians
>> engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal
>> they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
>> Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.
>> Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
>> "Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
>> No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
>> (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)
>Your note was not on target at all. Armenians have had MANY independent
>times in their long and beautiful history. Including an independent
Your ignorance is hardly characteristic of most '*ians'. Sarkis Atamian
explains in his book called 'The Armenian Community, New York 1955,
Philosophical Library' that, according to historians, original fatherland
of the Armenians was in Thessaly, Greece. Armenian invaders burned and
sacked the fatherland of Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population
and presented to the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian
civilization. All reliable western historians describe how Armenians
ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly
people of Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of
the Muslim people between 1914-1920. It is unfortunately a truth that
Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II
and that, even today, criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism
among peoples.
>Please tell me how on earth Armenians fully participated in the genocide
>of Jews during WWII, are you on some heavy drugs?
Who says 'Arromdians' are no damn good? During World War II Armenians
were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over
the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik,
carried statements as follows:[1]
"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it
becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."
Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.
"We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
against our people (Jews). Members of our family witnessed the
murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian
neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish
and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see
the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors.
Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise
to grant themselves government if, in return, the Armenians would
help exterminate Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of
the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists."
Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.
[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.
And stick around...
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken
>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about
>30F. Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.
>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.
Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long
have you been sleeping with your helmet on??
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
| 8rec.motorcycles |
>sure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely
>faster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows
>0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures
>of 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.
Car and Driver rated the 325is (1988) at 7.2 0-60 , 1/4 at 15.2 (after 30k miles) last time I checked 8#}.
Automobile magazine rated new 325is 1/4 mile@16.2.
Gee , aint quotiin funner than the dickens!
Sounds like we need a race. I'll let you have the newer version. Can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8-]. I wont hurt it, I promise.
>i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.
>but don't take my word for it. go drive it.
Actually I will take your word on it. I refuse to test it (new 325is) because
I love BMW's and would probably want to buy it. Problem is, my income just doesn't support that.
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1993Apr2.154232.29527@Princeton.EDU>, glhewitt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gary Livingston Hewitt) writes:
> In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu> depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes:
> [to which is concluded...]
> >The South only wanted FREE TRADE!!!
>
> No, they wanted slavery. If free trade was in their economic interests
> under that regime (which it was), then free trade they wanted too. But
> Gary L Hewitt glhewitt@phoenix.princeton.edu
Of course, free trade and slavery don't make much sense together in
a phrase anyway. Perhaps Mr. Depken meant, "low import tariffs," but
that is quite a bit less than "free trade."
--
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <skelly.18aw@amiganet.chi.il.us>, skelly@amiganet.chi.il.us (Sean Kelly) writes:
|>
|>
|> Does anyone know the pin-outs for the 27C512 EPROM?? I have bought
|> several of them, none of which has come with the pin-outs! Any info would be
|> appreciated....
A good source of information for data of this type is the library.
In particular the library at a local college or technical school offering
courses in electronics would have data books of this nature.
| 12sci.electronics |
: From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood)
: Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They
: probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous
: at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers
: and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to
: reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and
: effective).
If the administration *really* believes big-time drug dealers are the threat
(personally I thought it was the CIA and the air force that did all the real
drug shipping :-) ) then they *ought* to take this seriously: unlike the
KGB, drug dealers can make a most convincing argument for cooperation: "help
us and we'll be nice and give you some money, don't help us and we'll start
cutting off your favourite body parts"
After all, it was probably an argument like that that persuaded Jack Ruby to
shoot Oswald in full view of the police. Life in jail probably seems much
more preferable to most people than several weeks of something nasty
followed by no life at all...
G
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr21.182030.888@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>Actually, both are positive arguments. ("Positive" may not be the best
>description here due to possible misunderstanding, but it's the term you
>used.) Positive arguments/assertions can be both affirmative (i.e. God
>exists) and negative (i.e. God does not exist). Both carry an equal
>burden of proof because they are both asserting that a certain idea
>is true. The default condition, in the absence of a preponderance of
>evidence either way, is that the proposition or assertion is undecidable.
>And the person who takes the undecidable position and says that he/she
>simply disbelieves that the proposition is true, is the only one who
>holds no burden of proof. This is why the so-called "weak atheist"
>position is virtually unassailable -- not because it stands on a firm
>foundation of logical argument, but because it's proponents simply
>disbelieve in the existence of God(s) and therefore they hold no burden
>of proof. When you don't assert anything, you don't have to prove
>anything. That's where weak atheism draws its strength. But its
>strength is also its Achilles' heel. Without assertions/axioms, one
>has no foundation upon which to build. As a philosophy, it's virtually
>worthless. IMO, of course.
So, if I were to assert that there are no thousand year old
invisible pink unicorns* residing in my walls, I need to support this with
evidence? I think the _lack_ of evidence shall suffice.
* Who happen to like listening to satanic messages found in playing
Beethoven's 45th symphony backwards.
---
"FBI officials said cult leader David Koresh may have
forced followers to remain as flames closed in. Koresh's
armed guard may have injected as many as 24 children with
poison to quiet them."
-
"And God saw everything he had made, and, behold, in was very
good."
Genesis 1:31
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet. Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff. Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
I just called them and they said the order went out on the 13th. They're
putting a UPS tracer on it. Watch, it'll be waiting for me at home
tonight. :-)
Dean
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop" | '92 VFR750F |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993 | '88 Bianchi Limited |
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Ivan D. Reid, on the 23 Apr 1993 06:05 PST wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, Rob Castro writes...
: >When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?
: When even the seagulls are walking. :-)
: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484
When you can make no headway into the wind?
When you hear a dull booming noise after going down hill with the
wind behind you and you're WFO.
Be very careful during the above, as all the controls will have the
opposite effect.
--
Nick (the Mach 0.22 Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002
(-
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Can anyone give me some information, please ...
I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX
platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source,
or can I make do with the public headers that are provided?
"Motif" includes Xt in this context.
One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have
already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be
a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class.
Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)?
Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they
could sell me, this might save me from having to write one!
Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not
yet have the spec)?
Answers appreciated,
Nicholas.
--
Nicholas Young (+44 71 637 9111)
| 5comp.windows.x |
With the popularity of minivans, the market room for station wagons is
squeezed out. They are not as comfortable as sedan, and don't carry as
much as the minivans.
This is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore. But the demand is certainly
hampered by the minivan, and may not be economical to build a product for.
Jason Chen
A station wagon owner
| 7rec.autos |
I find that it's always (almost anyway) busy when I dial, but if I try repeatedly, usually only 5 to 15 tries, I always get connected.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr28.100545.1217@nbivax.nbi.dk>, spang@nbivax.nbi.dk (Karsten Spang) writes:
> I have a problem: I am not able to create a window with 24 bit planes.
> ... gave BadMatch error on the CreateWindow request.
>
> As far as I can tell from the manual, the only attribute which may give
> a BadMatch, is the colormap, if it belongs to a wrong visual. But the
> visual was correctly matched
I got several answers, the most complete was from Errol Crary
(errolc@tv.tv.Tek.com):
>I have just looked at the R4 server listings (.../mit/server/dix/window.c )
>and there are several ways in which you can get a BadMatch error, even
>though my O'Reilly book only says "BorderWidth is nonzero for InputOnly".
>
>1- if ((class == InputOnly) && ((bw != 0) || (depth != 0)))
>
>
>2- /* Find out if the depth and visual are acceptable for this Screen */
>
>
>3- if (((vmask & (CWBorderPixmap | CWBorderPixel)) == 0) &&
> (class != InputOnly) &&
> (depth != pParent->drawable.depth))
>
>
>4- if (((vmask & CWColormap) == 0) &&
> (class != InputOnly) &&
> ((visual != ancwopt->visual) || (ancwopt->colormap == None)))
>
>
>So,
>case 1 is InputOnly which is not your case; it seems to be the
> O'Reilly case.
>Case 2 should not be the case since you got the visual for the screen.
>Case 3 looks suspicious; you are giving no CWBorder... in the attribute
> mask, and since the visual is not the parent depth, I would suspect you
> need to supply a border pixel from the new colormap you are going to use
> for this window.
>Case 4 does not seem to be the problem since you do supply the CWColormap
> in the attributes.
Thanks for your help
Karsten
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| 5comp.windows.x |
We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in
color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played with
the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color model
comparable in quality?
Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning toward
Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks.
--
John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu
Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953
B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1qsa97INNm7b@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
> [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated]
> >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec.
> If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE
> come from?
Well, some quick math on my part shows that an 8.3MHz bus, 16 bits
wide, performing a transfer every two clock cycles will provide 8.3M
bytes/sec. Someone said that it really takes 3 clock cycles to
perform a transfer, so that reduces the transfer rate to 5.5MB/s,
which is the commonly-used figure for ISA bus speed. However, I
believe a two-clock transfer is possible (0 wait states).
--
Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com
OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1qpn8uINNjs8@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>,
bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) wrote:
>
> Here is the story:
> I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an
> Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh
> I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected
> to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem.
>
> Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT,
> and then telnet out again to the rest of the world.
>
> What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that
> will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT
> via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do
> the trick.
>
> Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that
> there aren't going to be any.
>
> Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet
> out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers
> to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well...
>
What you need is a hardware router such as EtherRoute/TCP made by
Compatable Systems ($1400). This will allow you to connect your Localtalk
network (4 Macs) to your Ethernet network (NeXT and Ethernet Mac). It will
route TCP/IP protocol between the two networks. Software routers are also
available for less money, but I'm not sure if they work with TCP/IP.
Paul
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
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