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I'm doing some work on the Mac IIsi and need some information on the CPU.
I have the Motorola MC68030UM/AD Rev. 1, but I fear it is out of date as it
does not have the characteristics for the CPU package type used in the IIsi.
What I need is the Theta (JC) Thermal Characteristic (the Junction to Case
thermal resistance) for the _PLASTIC_ FE style package.
If you have this info, I would appreciate your sending it by email as postings
suffer a few days delay here.
If you are keen on this stuff, I am also interested in a more accurate value
for the typical power dissipation. I'm assuming 2.25 Watts (using the 2.6 W
maximum at 0 C decreased the way the Pd drops in the 6801x as Ta increases).
If your manual has a chart of power dissipation, I'd like to know what it
reads at 25 C and 40 C.
Thanks for reading!
James MacPhail jmacphai@cue.bc.ca (on bounce try james@mirg2.phy.queensu.ca)
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr23.221525.4323@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>,
f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
> Well, Stephen's annotated study of David Koresh's sermon
> doesn't bother me. It's probable that a careful review of
> what Stephen has done with obvious expenditure of thoughtful
> effort would provide additional insight into David and his love
> for God [May his soul rest in peace.] And whether or
> not we agree with various points of theology therein, a review
> would likely provide significant insight into our own love
> for God. One thing that seems apparent from even a cursory
> reading of Koresh's message is that he was not the 'looney
> tunes' portrayed in the FBI filtered press reports on him
> but was quite possibly the friendly, likeable person his
> attorney reported him to be.
Someone stated that the Davidian cult should not be associated
with Christianity. Well, I read all those four postings, and I'm
now even more convinced that Davididians are truly Christian
in nature. But sometimes it makes sense to re-label the cult,
especially if the ugliness is too much to handle.
Cheers,
Kent
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sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1r42r9$965@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> lonewolf@muse.Corp.Sun.COM (Peter Pak) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone have a source for 386DX/25 Motherboards? I've
>been calling around the local stores and everyone appears
>to be only stocking the 386DX/33/40 or 386SX/25/33 motherboards.
>
>How difficult is it to modify a 386DX/40 motherboard to run at
>25 MHz? Is it as simple as replacing the system clock with a
>slower part?
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Peter
I know you work at sun, but that's really no reason not to like fast
computers. I suspect a conspiracy here. Are you trying to drag Intel through
the mud at a con or something? I really wish you guys would make your own
computers faster instead of degrading others'. Why don't you go straight for
the top and run a pentium at 0.7 MHz while you're at it?
Seriously though; Why in the bleeding hell do you want a 386/40 to run at
25MHz?????????????
(Insert smiley where appropriate)
MAIL-mail: gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no SNAIL-mail: Gunnar Horrigmo
gunnarh@fenris.dhhalden.no Oskleiva 17
N-1772 Norway
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Disclaimer: The above posting may seem like insignificant rubbish at
first glance, but if you read between the lines, you will be
surprised to discover the annals of Burt Bacharach, world peace,
Oxford Advanced Readers Dictionary, quantum physics made easy, and an
easy-to-use step-by-step walkthrough on how to make a time travelling
device that actually works.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Can anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently
in WACO. Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body?
dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov
| Regards, | Hughes STX | Code 926.9 GSFC |
| Doug Caprette | Lanham, Maryland | Greenbelt, MD 20771 |
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"A path is laid one stone at a time" -- The Giant
| 13sci.med |
To really speed up the game umps need to START CALLING STRIKES the way
they used to. I'm talking about making the strike zone start at the
knees and go up to the top of the letters. Forget this "the strike zone
is in the general area of the groin". A lot less 3-and-2 counts and a
quicker game.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
After failing my State of New Hampshire Noise Gestapo test with my HD
Slash cut pipes I installed my new Bubs (which I had been planning to
do anyway), went to a different in spection station, and passed with no
problem at about 97 dB.
Two points:
First, I don't think the first dude did the noise test correctly.
Holding the meter close to his body probably caused a high reading, and
doing it inside the garage with the door closed undoubtedly enhanced
the dB level! So if any other NH riders need to get this done, make
sure the inspection is done outdoors with the meter held well away from
the body.
Second, these Bub pipes are bloody terrific. At low revs or cruising
through town, they as quiet as the stock pipes, but have a sound thats
a more throaty, purring, rumble. When you open her up to >3000 RPM
they emit a wonderfully satisfying rumbling roar. Best of both worlds!
Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20)
"the chrome and steel she rides.....collidin' with the very air she
breathes..."
-- N. Young
| 8rec.motorcycles |
The Babe and The Pride of the Yankees offer very different renditions of
the sotry about Ruth and Gherig hitting home runs for the boy in the
hospital. Can some historian out there explain "history's" version of the
story.
I wouldn't put is past either (or both) of the movies to season the truth
with a little extra spice.
Any other comments as to inaccuracies in these two movies?
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Eric A. W. Behrens
behrens@cc.swarthmore.edu
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep playing baseball."
--Pete
Rose
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
(Part B of #008)
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| |
| "Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they |
| repeated quite frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies |
| for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the |
| struggle against the Armenians." Then they said, "Those |
| Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated |
| it very often." |
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...continued from PART A:
The six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan-
ger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the
physical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had
an awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas
ornaments, howling and howling. I didn't know where I was or how long this
went on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and
was in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into
tears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . .
Then someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I
want to respond and restrain myself, I think that I'm hallucinating. I am
silent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man's voice is calling
me, then a woman's. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the
one whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place,
telling him, "I know that they've killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring
her corpse to me so they don't violate her corpse." He went and returned empty
handed, but Mamma thought he just didn't want to carry the corpse into his
apartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were
walking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn't answer their calls.
There was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps.
They started the pogrom in our apartment around five o'clock, and at 9:30 I
went down to the Kasumovs'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the
apartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be
cowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the
doors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth,
opened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle
Sabir's son started to shout, "Aunt Roza, don't cry, Lyuda's alive!" He
knocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma.
Aunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir's wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their
apartment. I didn't see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying
delirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother.
All of my family had gathered there.
At the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the
apartment.
Later I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, "Lyuda,
Karina's in really serious condition, she's probably dying. If she recognizes
you, don't cry, don't tell her that her face looks so awful." It was as though
her whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one
side, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her
cheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole
microdistrict, that's how disfigured her face was. I said, "Fine." Mamma was
afraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started
to cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the
bed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye
that was intact, looked at me, and said, "Who is it?" But I could barely talk,
my whole face was so badly beaten. I didn't say, but rather muttered something
tender, something incomprehensible, but tender, "My Karochka, my Karina, my
little golden one . . . " She understood me.
Then Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina's lips.
She started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn't
understand it. Then I made out, "It hurts, I hurt all over." Her hair was
glued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her
forehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don't know how
to help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She's
saying something to me, but I can't understand her. Igor brings her a pencil
and paper and says, "Write it down." She shakes her head as if to say, no, I
can't write. I can't understand what she's saying. She wanted to tell me
something, but she couldn't. I say, "Karina, just lie there a little while,
then maybe you'll feel better and you can tell me then." And then she says,
"Maybe it'll be too late." And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn't
control myself.
Then I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped
a handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She
says, "Lyuda, we're not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this
damned house. They want to kill us, I know. They'll find us here, too. We need
to call Urshan." She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I
understood her every word. I ask, "What's his number?" Urshan Feyruzovich,
that's the head of the administration where she works. "We have to call him."
But I didn't know his home number. I say, "Karina, what's his number?" She
says, "I can't remember." I say, "Who knows his number? Who can I call?" She
says, "I don't know anything, leave me alone."
I went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was
crying, too. I say, "Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can
we call him? Who knows his telephone number?" I tell Marina, "Think, think,
who can we call to find out?" She started calling; several people didn't
answer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and
found out the number and called us back. The boss's wife answered and said he
was at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can't talk normally. She says,
"Lyuda, don't panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and
tell them that they just can't do that." She still didn't know what was really
going on. I said, "It's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what's
happening. They are killing people here. I don't think there is a single
Armenian left in the building, they've cut them all up. I'm even surprised
that we managed to save ourselves. "She says, "Well, OK, if it's that serious
. . . " And all the same she's thinking that my emotions are all churned up
and that I'm fearing for my life, that in fact it's not all that bad. "OK,
fine, fine," she says, "if you're afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back
I'll send him over."
We called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly
under Aunt Tanya's, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian's apartment. She
wasn't home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed
everything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on
trying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan's wife is named Tanya too and
finally we get through. She says, "Yes, he's come home, he's leaving for your
place now." He came. Of course he didn't know what was happening, either,
because he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep
with his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what
shape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has
grown up daughters, they're almost my age.
The three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and
went down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No,
first they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As
soon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said
that we were in serious condition and that we mustn't move, we might have
fractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the
first floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around
eleven o'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I
saw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies
. . . everything just like a war.
They carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical
people from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older
Armenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she's so proud
she would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle
Arkady, I think, because someone said "Arkady, get an injection ready," he
started to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But
when he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his
sixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and
started to cry: "What have they done to you?!" He was speaking Armenian. "What
have they done to you?!" Karina didn't say anything. Mamma came in then, and
she started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. "I'll give you a shot."
Mamma tells him, "I don't need any shot. Where is the government? Just what
are they doing? Look what they've done to my children! They're killing people,
and you're just sitting here!" Some teacups were standing on the table in
there. "You're sitting here drinking tea! Look what they've done to my
daughters! Look what they've turned them into!" They gave her something to
drink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the
doctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa
and Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina
out. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I
don't know, maybe there weren't any orderlies. Then they came to me: "What's
the matter with you?" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter
in the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya's.
I said, "I'm fine." Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told
the doctor, "You leave, let a woman examine her." A woman came, an
Azerbaijani, I believe, and said, "What's wrong with you?" I was wearing my
sister Lyuda's nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When
she was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would
be easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed
her. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge
wound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said
something to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be
dressed with something, but that they'd do that in the hospital.
They put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me.
I raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don't
know if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, "Lie still, you mustn't move." When
I was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed
very familiar to me. I shouted, "Stop!" One of the policemen turned and says,
"What do you want?" I say, "Bring him to me, I want to look at him." They
brought him over and I said, "That person was just in our apartment and he
just raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down." They said,
"Fine," but didn't write it down and led him on. I don't know where they were
taking him.
Then they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were
sitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car
up closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, "Sister . . . " I don't
remember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they
did to us. I asked him, "Where are you from?" He said that he was from Ufa.
Apparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I
learned that they suffered most of all. He says, "OK, you're Armenians, they
didn't get along with you, but I'm a Russian," he says, "what are they trying
to kill me for?" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the
balcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw
two Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed
against the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him
with his own club. The way he cried "Mamma" made my skin crawl. I don't know
what they did to him, if he's still alive or not. And something else. Before
he attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the
third or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn't think it was
Azerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they
were throwing something they didn't need out, or someone was fighting with
someone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the
yard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that
I realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian.
They took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too
and said, "I've been beaten too, help me." But they just ignored her. My
father went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault
that he'd been beaten, and says, "My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have
probably broken my ribs. Please look at them." The doctor says, "That's not my
job." Urshan said, "Fine, I'll take you to my place and if we need a doctor,
I'll find you one. I'll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them
to his apartment.
Marina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the
doctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I
wasn't surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very
surprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the
Hippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy--
coincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she,
having examined Karina, said, "No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like
they did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women.
"Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn't say anything--she
would certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same
story. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no
drugs. Absolutely none! They didn't even give us tea. All the women there soon
found out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And
they started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at
zoo animals. Karina didn't see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from
seeing it.
They put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn't have
any serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their
place, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira
her daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And
Ira was holding her daughter's hand, the one who was hiding under the bed.
When they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she
involuntarily let go of her daughter's hand, her daughter took her hand again.
Her daughter is in the fourth grade, she's 11 years old. I felt really awful
when I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, "Do what
you want with me, just leave my daughter alone." Well, they did what they
wanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I
would be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It
was simply Bartholomew's Night, I say, they did what they would love to do
every day: steal, kill, rape . . .
Many are surprised that those animals didn't harm the children. The beasts
explained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those
children would be grown, and then, as they put it, "we'll come take the
pleasure out of their lives, those children." This was about the girls that
would be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow
because they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just
as there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be
of some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the
victims testified to it. That's how they described their own natures, that
they would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they
themselves said that.
And this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn't harm our Marina. Many
people say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don't know
why their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn't slept the night before,
maybe for some other reason, I don't know. But they hadn't been smoking and
they weren't drunk, I'm positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at
nothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with
Marina: "Little sister, don't be afraid, we won't harm you, don't look over
there [where I was], you might be frightened. You're a Muslim, a Muslim woman
shouldn't see such things." So they were really quite sober . . .
So we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all
happened bears the mark of that day. It wasn't even a day, of those several
hours. Father still can't look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what
happened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he's started talk-
ing to himself, I've heard him argue with himself several times when he
thought no one is listening: "Listen," he'll say, "what could I do? What could
I do alone, how could I protect them?" I don't know where to find the words,
it's not that I'm happy, but I am glad that he didn't see it all happen.
That's the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of
course he knows it all, but there's no way you could imagine every last detail
of what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke
together in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never
present at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And
when the investigator comes to the house, we don't speak with Father present.
On February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital.
First they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city,
the soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier.
There were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family
there. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They
were sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik's wife
and Grant's daughter, and her mother, were both crying.
Then they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard.
There's a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area.
They took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought
that they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become
so dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide.
The women were shouting. They explained to them: "We want to hide you
better because it's possible there will be an attack on the police precinct."
We went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We
had children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to
have their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful.
They kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you
could see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the
police precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is
surrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it's electrified, but if they were
standing on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought
great psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn't
just walked out of their apartments, but who hadn't slept for 24 hours, or 48,
or those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost
family members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened
when all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn't see a single
person, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must
have already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret
room down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at
one another . . . That's the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those
people, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that
the end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the
hospital and didn't know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my
parents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should
attack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an
Armenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and
she wouldn't be able to take it.
Then soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people
climbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers.
They all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We
calmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some
little cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children
to the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never
have occurred to any of us that we hadn't eaten for two days and that people
do eat.
Then, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They
were being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from
the courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a
different woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing,
and calling out: "Oh, Rafik!," but when she heard about this such a rage came
over her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her
sleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were
soldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were
standing there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up
to one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash
him! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not
one of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from
doing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands,
muttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile
appeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round
was over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing
terribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the
creeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did
this the whole night through, well, it wasn't really night, no one slept. She
went five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women,
"What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they
raped, and you're just sitting there. You're sitting and talking as though
nothing had happened. Aren't you Armenians?" She appealed to everyone, but no
one got up. I was just numb, I didn't have the strength to beat anyone, I
could barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so
many hours--I was released at eleven o'clock in the morning and it was already
after ten at night because there weren't enough chairs, really it was the
elderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time.
There was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking.
The situation was deplorable.
At eleven o'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen,
Azerbaijanis. They said, "Get up. They've brought mattresses, you can wash up
and put the children to bed." Now the women didn't want to leave this place,
either. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with
dogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, "Oh, it's our little
family," and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for
the first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone
spoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded
machine guns in their hands, said, "Grandmother, you mustn't approach me,
I'm on guard." Our people would say, "Oh, that's all right." They hugged
them, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly
moving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs.
They took us up to the second floor and said, "You can undress and sleep in
here. Don't be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it's quiet in the city."
This was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other
places. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the
SK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I
asked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me.
I didn't know what was happening there. They told me, "Don't worry, the
Maternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest
assured. I say, "Well, I won't rest assured regardless, because the staff in
there is capable of anything."
When I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had
already been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi-
tal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once
we were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met
acquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who
hadn't been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with
them, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had
come their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like
they had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people,
hungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of
course the stories and the talk were flying: "Oh, I heard that they killed
him!" "What do you mean they killed him!" "He stayed at work!" "Do you know
what's happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that.
And then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very
well and respect him highly. I've known him for a long time. They had a small
room, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night
talking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary
of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see
Bagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed
from outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask
him things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by
soldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn't deign to speak with
the people. Apparently he had more important things to do.
Several hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, "Lyudochka, find another
two or three. We're going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs,
lists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people
who had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned." I
had about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, "Lyuda, your
Mamma has arrived, she's looking for you, she doesn't believe that you are
alive and well and that you're here." I gave the lists to someone and asked
them to continue what I was doing and went off.
The list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian's
father, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels
Grigorian's father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the
name of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said
that he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front
of the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later
it turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had
somehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for
Krasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that
in addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored
missing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead. 3
All the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don't remember how many dead were
contained in the list, but it's a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple
of minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, "What's
going on?" He said, "Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels
they are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev
[Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party
of the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to
him, so that he'd see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it
was one or fifty." They told him that the list had disappeared and they
should ask everyone who hadn't left for the Khimik boarding house all over
again. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26
was the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because
that's the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26
people on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only
a half of those that were on the first list. He said, "Lyuda, please, try to
remember at least one more." But I couldn't remember anyone else. But there
were more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy
don't count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people
whose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren't registered as victims of
the Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn't know. So many
people left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns
in Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the
Krasnodarsk Territory. We don't have any information on them. I know that
there are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical
Krestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk
cows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went
to help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering
the city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the
Azerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there's
more. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list
drawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course
don't know them all. I'm thinking of three women whose parents chose not to
publicize what had happened, that is, they didn't take the matter to court,
they simply left. But in so doing they didn't cease being victims. One of them
is the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No.
8, on the fifth floor. I can't tell you the building number and I don't know
her name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in
Microdistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don't know her name, she lives on the
same landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding
the door while his daughter hid, but he couldn't hold the door forever, and
when she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors' they seized her by her
braid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because
they didn't kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one
. . . I don't remember who the third one was anymore.
They transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn't herself. Yes, we lived for
days in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there
and I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn't stay with Karina;
it was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could
already walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the
social work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said,
"If it weren't for the work I would go insane." He and I put ourselves in gear
and took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers
and free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything,
although we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been
dispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it
was free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by
to see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly
visible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue.
On March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir
Fedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered
only Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital.
Mother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims.
Shirokov was involved with Karina's case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I
told him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and
record everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind.
We didn't work with the identikit until the very last day because the
conditions weren't there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor
quality work solely because the situation wasn't conducive to working: there
weren't enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a
curfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or
video cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We're not so poor that
we can't supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially
to draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw
that the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to
Sumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with
Bibishev, I told him myself, "Don't you worry, if it takes us a month or two
months, I'll be here. I'm not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in
those two days, I'll help you conduct the investigation."
He and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I
gave them so much to do that for a while they didn't have the time to get to
her, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her-
self. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x-
rays. She couldn't eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn't eat
and drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we
were in Baku already, the investigator told me, "How long can you go on like
this? Well fine, so you don't want to eat, you don't love yourself, you're
not taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this
investigation through. We need you." Then I started eating, because in fact I
was exhausted. It wasn't enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart-
ment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement
cells and prisons. I don't know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in
every prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of
Sumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary
confinement.
Thus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma
identified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn't identify
anyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren't among the
photographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one
who went after the axe. He still hasn't been detained, he's still on the
loose. He's gone, and it's not clear if he will be found or not. I don't know
his first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his
sisters' faces. But he's not in the city. The investigators informed me that
even if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will
continue looking for him.
The 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various
plants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect.
Mostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only
one of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and
Chemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga-
tor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front
of me "I'll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash
simply for keeping him out of Armenia," that is, to keep him from landing in
a prison on Armenian soil. They're all terribly afraid of that, because if the
investigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn't confess even
though we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological
pressure--they say, "Fine, don't confess, just keep silent. When you're in an
Armenian prison, when they find out who you are, they'll take care of you
in short order." That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk.
The investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire
pogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then
that I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was
in our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and
all the valuables, but didn't take a single book. They tore them up, burned
them, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials
from the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James
Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were
boiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had
been in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That's
enough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don't
even know anything about books. They didn't take a single book, but they did
take worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out
slippers.
Of those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait.
Basically, the group that went seeking "revenge"--let's use their word for
it--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with
one of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that
black I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking
part in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of
Tamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently
arrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I
don't know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an
Azerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know
nothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an
axe. Murdering her wasn't enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and
threw them into the tub with water.
I remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You
know, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both
their hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey-
eyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I
identified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born
in the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How
did I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I
kept thinking, is that Rita or "puma," which it would be if you read the word
as Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic "T" was the one
that looks like a Latin "M." When they led him in he sat with his hands behind
his back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to
put in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and
told me that I was making a mistake, and called me "dear sister." He said,
"You're wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an
Armenian," and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator
asked me, "Lyuda, are you sure it was he?" I told him, "I'll tell you one more
identifying mark. If I'm wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The
name Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand." He went rigid and became
pale. They told him, "Put your hands on the table." He put his hands on the
table with the palms up. I said, "Now turn your hands over," but he didn't
turn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start
acknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn't wanted to do it, that they
forced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently.
But he insolently stuck to his story, "No, I did not do anything, it wasn't
me." When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his
hand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew
into a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out
of granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it.
Catching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked
and the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and
back. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don't know how,
but I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or
strangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the
microphone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his
last name, and he says, "Lyudochka, it's a Japanese microphone! Please . . .
" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped.
They took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down,
because we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, "You're
some actress! What a performance!" I said, "Tolya, honestly . . . " Beforehand
they would always tell me, "Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if
nothing had happened to you." I say, "I don't have any more strength or
emotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength
. . . I don't have the strength to do anything." And he says, "Lyuda, how were
you able to do that?" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching
the tape, I said, "Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped
that high in gym class."
So you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of
the 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who
beat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis.
At the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his
guilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among
them were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said,
"Tomorrow we're going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three
o'clock." He said, "No, I'm not coming." They told him, "If you don't come
we'll kill you." He said, "Alright, I'll come." And he went.
They also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He
had also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a
motorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him
out of his apartment and told him the same thing: "Tomorrow we're going to get
the Armenians. Be there." He said, "No." They pulled a knife on him. He said,
"I'm not going all the same." And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed
him several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was
in the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that
we would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th.
I'll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he
beat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he
was very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for
him, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning
of Shagen Sargisian. I don't know if he participated in the rapes in our
apartment; I didn't see, I don't remember. But the people who were in our
apartment who didn't yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I
don't know if he confessed or not, and I myself don't recall because I blacked
out very often. But I think that he didn't participate in the rape of Karina
because he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the
courtyard, he remained in the apartment.
At one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her
I learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn't
have a father, and that he's been convicted twice. Well this will be his third
and, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work
with bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita.
The others who were detained . . . well they're little beasts. You really can't
call them beasts, they're just little beasts. They were robots carrying out
someone else's will, because at the investigation they all said, "I don't
understand how I could have done that, I was out of my head." But we know that
they were won around to it and prepared for it, that's why they did it. In the
name of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam--
that's holy to them--that's why they did everything they were commanded to do.
Because I saw they didn't have minds of their own, I'm not talking about their
level of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they
work, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they
crowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were
promised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments.
So off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, "they
promised us apartments."
Among them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the
heart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a
children's home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at
the children's home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they
have they earned by their own labor, and wasn't inherited from parents or
grandparents. And he said, "I didn't need anything I just don't know . . . how
I ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my
own, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing." And the whole time I
kept repeating, "Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife
right before your own eyes." He sat there and just wailed.
But that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a
marvelous disappearing act, but I think that they'll get onto him, they just
have to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his
grandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how
to cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he
knew and those he didn't, either, and other things as well, and changed
himself like a chameleon so they wouldn't get onto him, but he was detained.
That one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians' after Aleksandr
Gambarian was murdered. He came in and said, "Let's go, enough, you've spilled
enough blood here."
Maybe Karina doesn't know this but the reason they didn't finish her off was
that they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya
and her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They
liked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When
Karina came to at one point--she doesn't remember this yet, this the neighbors
old me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to
the entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were
already at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians'. They came back
and started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have
sustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older
woman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of
Karina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off.
The woman's grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands
and led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth,
he sees everything, and He won't forgive this.
There was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first
floor, she's already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a
custom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them.
But they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is
tantamount to trampling a woman's honor.
Now that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we
have gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these
events that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come
about? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it's clear that
without a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not
have happened. All the same, I'm not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis,
let other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their
nations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are
a people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for
what they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like
unleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn't have time to do everything, they
threw themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done,
to snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on
February 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone
who had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left
for their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got
as far away as their legs would carry them.
February 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came
into my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had
been a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for
a meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few
teachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or
seven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there
were a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the
evening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and
the crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the
microphone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the
driver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani
child off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had
seen it himself..The crowd started to rage: "Death to the Armenians! They must
be killed!" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn't see the woman because
people were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The
woman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians
cut her daughters' breasts off, and called, "Sons, avenge my daughters!" That
was enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the
direction of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street.
We stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a
very nationalist speech. He said, "Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!" This
he repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him
stormily, whistling and shouting "Karabagh!" He said, "Karabagh has been our
territory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my
heart?" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. "It's our
territory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated.
From time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from
time immemorial, that's the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years
the Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth." By filth he meant
Armenians.
I heard this. Before that I hadn't been listening to the speeches closely.
Many people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with
the other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn't penetrate,
that in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our
teachers said, "Listen to what he's saying, listen to what idiocy he's
spouting," we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we
listened to the woman's speech.
Right then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the
subject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of
studies, for whom I had great respect, he's an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I
had considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to
obtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me,
"Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If
they find out that you're an Armenian they'll tear you to pieces. Should I
tell them you're an Armenian? Should I tell them you're an Armenian?" When he
said it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a
second time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already
after eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered,
"No, they said that women should stay here until ten o'clock,.and men, until
twelve. Stay here." There was a young teacher with us, her children were in
kindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: "I left my
children at the kindergarten." The director excused her. When she let her go I
turned around, said, "Good-bye," and left with the young teacher, the
Azerbaijani. I didn't see them after that.
When we were walking the buses weren't running, and a crowd from the rally ran
nearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too
much for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed
off. I wasn't afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher
wouldn't say that I was an Armenian.
To make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at
the movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and
again my parents didn't understand that we were in danger. We watched
television as usual, and didn't even imagine that tomorrow would be our last
day. That's how it all was.
At the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together,
Zhanna, I don't remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store
on Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she
doesn't have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father
held the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the
ground was wet and that there wasn't anyone behind the building when she went
out on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the
entryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders
there. She jumped. She jumped and didn't feel any pain in the heat of the
moment. A few days later I found out that she couldn't stand up, she had been
injured somehow. That's how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor,
and their children: any way they could.
Where it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father's first cousin,
Armen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims
what was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one
another immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even
with muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and
their old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got
them right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked
electricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then
they took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she's an
Azerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director
and told her that if she didn't help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to
escape alive and unharmed, she'd never see her daughter again. I'm sure, of
course, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only
thing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The
Armenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored
personnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and
led everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored
personnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that
very moment, into Block 30. That's how they defended themselves.
I heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They're big,
strong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a
strong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother.
One of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking
for the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected,
people hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps
dead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went
with the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found
Azerbaijani corpses. I don't know how many. Even if they had been wounded and
put down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or
infection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the
neighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject
came up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the
basement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor
carried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing
as one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor
took his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything
seemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing
of ours he had managed to "save."
Raya's husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended
themselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were
Azerbaijani victims, although we'll never hear anything about them. For some
reason our government doesn't want to say that the Armenians were not just
victims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too.
In the TV show "Pozitsiya" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that
the Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that's not
important, the truth will come out regardless.
So that's the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our
bravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the
years and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we've
become, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who.
On that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said
that it's not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments
received by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans
will depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the
Procuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga-
tion. That's the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on
the street at night, to not be afraid to say we're Armenians, and to not fear
speaking our native tongue.
October 15,1988
Yerevan
- - - reference for #008 - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr23.102811.623@sei.cmu.edu>, caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) writes:
>
> While watching the Penguins/Devils game last night, I saw the "slash" that
> Barrasso took on the neck. This brought to mind the goaltender who had his
> jugular vein cut by a skate. I think he was a Sabre, but I'm not positive.
> Does anyone remember/know his name? What has happened to him since? What
> about the player whose skate cut the goalie? Name? Info? Has this ever
> happened before in a hockey game?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carol
> Go Pens!
It was Clint Malarchuk
Whatever happened to him, anyway?
Barfly
Go *sigh* Leafs *cry*
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Hi,
I have a few question about graphics programming in VGA/SVGA :
1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard?
2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode,
where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold
all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I
heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know
nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone?
3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called
SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the
above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards?
Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions
would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail.
Thanks in advance!
************************************************************************
* Tiang T. Foo *
* tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu *
************************************************************************
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* Tiang T. Foo *
* tiang@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu *
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <HM.93Apr15113851@yoda.cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>In article <1qhuhm$ep8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
> [ in reference to Benjamin Netanyahu ]
>
> didn't this guy go crying on the "zionist" tv confessing
> that he committed adultary, and was cheating on his wife..
>
> a typical jew leader, huh?
>
>Just to remind all loyal listeners, Benjamin is the brother of
>Yonatan Netanyahu. Do we all remember Entebbe?
>
Yes we remember Entebbe and we also remember the refugees camps in
southern Lebanon.
Nabil
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
This request goes out to medical students who have done
or are planning to sit the USMLE (or National Boards) Part 1.
My wife is sitting this examination in early June this year and would
like to have a look at some old National Boards, Part 1 questions
found in the following books. These books are currently out of print.
The books are:
(1) Retired NBME Basic Medical Science Test Items, NBME;
Published by NBME in 1991
(2) Self-test in the Part 1 Basic Medical Sciences, NBME;
Published by NBME in 1989
I would appreciate if anyone who has these books is willing
to loan it to her for a couple of days. Obviously, I would
reimburse for you all postage and related charges. Failing
that it would be beneficial if anyone could point to any
library in the NY, NJ or PA area that may have these books.
Please respond by e-mail since I do not read this newsgroup
regularly.
Thanks in advance.
Daniel
e-mail: daniel@learning.siemens.com
| 13sci.med |
In article <C5IDKn.MMt@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>In <1qid8s$ik0@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
|>>I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes
|>>coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of
|>>conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may
|>>be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is
|>>murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion
|>>coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.
|>>
>Reduced? Abortion is a lot cheaper than pre-natal care and birth.
>If you wanted to pay the higher premiums that would result if everyone
>using their health insurance to pay for an abortion instead elected to
>carry to term, I'm pretty sure that your insurance carrier would be
>happy to take your money.
>--
>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Larry,
One pays insurance to pay for coverage one expects/fears one might need.
If one is opposed to abortion, one should not be required to pay for
"coverage" of it because one will NEVER want to use that "service" and
neither should that person be COMPELLED to pay for other people's
abortions PARTICULARLY if one sincerely believes that abortion is
murder.
dennis
dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com>, Jim De Arras writes:
|> Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Humans died
|> yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the actions
|> they did. That is the undeniable truth.
...the question is: for how long? Even if the FBI had done nothing, I guess the
BDs would have committed suicide, but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them
the choice between sucide or surrender.
The BDs was warned in beforehand about the FBI action. They HAD the chance to
surrender and get a fair trial. No matter who started the fire, the BDs were
responsible for 80+ peole dying. No one else.
--
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paale@stud.cs.uit.no | 9100 Kvaloeysletta | DATA = Dobbelt Arbeid Til Alle
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
} In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
} >In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:
} >>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:
} >>
} >>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?
} >>
} >>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above
} >>average year in the last 5.
} >
} >Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can
} >count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a
} >bad finish last year :-).
} >
} >(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said
} >Morris was a better signing than Viola?)
}
} Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their
} fingers.
oooooo. cheap shot. :^)
} Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his
} future.
who cares? he had two of them before he came to Toronto; and if the
Jays had signed Viola instead of Morris, it would have been Frank who
won 20 and got the ring. and he would be on his way to 20 this year, too.
} Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best
} signing.
your logic is curious, and spurious.
there is no reason to believe that Viola wouldn't have won as many games
had *he* signed with Toronto. when you compare their stupid W-L records,
be sure to compare their team's offensive averages too.
now, looking at anything like the Morris-Viola sweepstakes a year later
is basically hindsight. but there were plenty of reasons why it
should have been apparent that Viola was the better pitcher, based
on previous recent years and also based on age (Frank is almost 5
years younger! how many knew that?). people got caught up in the '91
World Series, and then on Morris' 21 wins last year. wins are the stupidest,
most misleading statistic in baseball, far worse than RBI or R. that he
won 21 just means that the Jays got him a lot of runs.
the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying
to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice
afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say?
} And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't
} even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.
if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares?
-*-
charles
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Alexis Perry asked if low blood potassium could be dangerous. Yes.
ZZ
| 13sci.med |
In article <he1pb02@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) writes:
> In article <strnlghtC5toC6.KIu@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>> Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop
>> forecasts from leaking prematurely.
>
> Sheesh! Remember the big scandal a year or two (or 3?) ago about
> exactly such leaks?
My choice for the escow house would be the Smithsonian, and someplace on
the west coast. My biggest concern isn't that the escrow house could
be compromised (it will be), but the fact it has been compromised will
be kept secret.
The keys could be kept under glass, with 24-hour C-SPAN coverage. If you
thought your key had been stolen just turn on the cable, and wait until
the roving camera reachs the musuem case with your key. Or if you think the
C-SPAN satellite has been compromised, take a tour of the Smithsonian
yourself, and view the seal on your key.
--
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1r4f8b$euu@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:
>
> someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture
> needles.....
>
>Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who
>themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS
>from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal
>immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant
>involved with acupuncture needle insertion.
>
Isn't this what HIV is about - the "normal immune response" to an exposure?
>Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away.
I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken
from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT
sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh
from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I
probably should have raised hell!
Any comments? No excuses.
| 13sci.med |
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos (c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com) wrote:
: But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as
: government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and
: lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone
: actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima
: somewhere.
I just bought an Altima (and like it very much) and yes there is a
little Stanza logo ever so discretely placed on the trunk. The Altima is
emblazoned in big silver letters, but the itsy-bitsy Stanza is shunted
to the far left of the trunk lid. You can only see it if you get up
close to the car and know where to look. It is very inconspicuous.
In fact my first clue that this was a Stanza was that the owners manual
called the car a Nissan Stanza Altima.
Anybody know *why* Nissan did it this way?
Mark Goldsworthy
| 7rec.autos |
muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:
>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:
>>>
>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport.
>>
>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........
>
>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s
>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the
>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.
I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date
of the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much
but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which
there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends
on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now,
I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many
people are out of work.
>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down
>a pork happy Congress.
>
>-- Marc Mueller
Huh? Shouldn't that read "The question is whether a social-pork happy
Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy
Congress."
fpa
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph
Charles Achkar) says:
>
> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since
>the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball
>game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.
>
>
It was a classy move. But it looks like ESPN is going to devote most of
the coverage to the Pens. On Tuesday night, they continued to broadcast
the Pen-Devil game even though Pittsburgh had the game well in control.
Granted they did show some "bonus" coverage of the Caps and Isles but
they cut away from the close game, which went into double ot, to update
us on the fifth goal of the rout.
Thursday was a good game even if it was the second straight game between
the pens and devils. IMHO they should program some variety into the
telecasts.(Yes I know the game shown on saturday is between the B's and
Sabres, probably throwing a bone to us Bruin fans.)
And what about the Cambell conference? I'd like to see a game in the
Norris or Smythe. Why not have back to back nights of National
Hockey Night?
Just a thought.
Ryan
> %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
> * __ ______________ ____________________________________ %
> % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Does anybody share my opinion that in big-city traffic a bike can be so
low-powered that for example it cant accelerate out of trouble when
necessary..the "screwed-down" versions of bikes sold on the German
market with the different classes of liscence seems to make a lot of
middle aged men putt putt around on 25-40Km/Hr maschines that are
constantle getting in the way of "real" traffic!
Does anybody else have opinions on this topic!?
snuffy
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control. There are a
>few points I would welcome your opinion on. It's wonderful having a
>resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance
>for your feedback!
>
>1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the
>future?
* The Government
* Liberals
* BATF, FBI, DEA, etc. (see #1)
>2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to
>apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of
>any kind?
Well...
contributions == taxes
abortion == elimination of fetal tissue
Clinton == president
faggot == spouse
It could happen...
>3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed
>to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military
>uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.)
Hydrogen Bomb, perhaps.
>4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being
>determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm?
Yep.
>5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety?
Yep.
>Thank again,
>
>Gary
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| Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 |
| "Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free." |
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
I don't wish to rehash the PGP patent issue at all, but I do feel
that some potential misconceptions in interpretting intellectual property
laws need to be raised.
In article <a_rubin.736125803@dsg4.dse.beckman.com> a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
>
>If PGP violates RSAs patents, then only executing PGP could be a violation.
>Distributing PGP could be contributory infringement, but the PGP
>documentation seemed sufficient to me to protect distributors (before I
>deleted it -- using PGP might be a patent violation in the US, so I have no
>need to keep it.)
You are correct that executing PGP would be a violation (unless the patent
were declared invalid by the courts), but... there is a question as
to when, how, or if distributing PGP would be a violation. If the person
or company distributing PGP receives money for doing so, then it is
clearly a sale (for example, if it were on Compuserve, they charge you
for access so they would be selling PGP). When there is no charge for
PGP things get less clear, but there would still be a reasonable view
that it is inducing an infringement.
> ... [nb re: Jim Bidzos]
>You have no legal action you can take, unless you believe you can prove
>someone is using PGP in the US, for a purpose other than that specifically
>allowed by patent laws. (Not entirely correct, anyone can sue for any
>reason, but, you cannot prevail unless you can prove that by a prepoderance
>of evidence). Under patent laws, PGP does have legitimate uses, as a means
>to study your algorithm, in order to produce improvements (which would
>still require your approval to execute, until the patent runs out around
>2000).
This is a common misconception. The patent laws do not mention any valid
purpose for infringing a patent. Although it is clear that in order to
create a new invention either based on a prior patent or to avoid infringing
a prior patent, one must perform research on an existing patent. To
just say that you infringed a patent (assume we're not talking the RSA
patent) only for research purposes (wink wink, nudge nudge) and then never
develop any related invention (ie. only use it), would be a clear
infringement.
--
Glenn Tenney
voice: (415) 574-3420 fax: (415) 574-0546
tenney@netcom.com Ham radio: AA6ER
| 11sci.crypt |
Deeply grateful for citations to any papers on electronic cash schemes.
Enquiring minds &c...
--
Eric Weaver Sony AVTC 677 River Oaks Pkwy, MS 35 SJ CA 95134 408 944-4904
& Chief Engineer, KFJC 89.7 Foothill College, Los Altos Hills CA 94022
| 11sci.crypt |
I received the following two notes from Martin Hellman with details
on how Clipper will work. They are posted with his permission. The
implications of some details are fascinating.
-------
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:05:23 PDT
From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu>
To: (a long list of recipients)
Subject: Clipper Chip
Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times,
etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology)
announcing the "Clipper Chip" crypto device. Several messges
on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have
been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given
the lack of details in the news articles. So here to help out
is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday
to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing
details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this
to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my
facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know
if I have anything wrong):
The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in
Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the
same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit
specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will
call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message.
The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so
that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that
they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion,
it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key
will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1
and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow
authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be
decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that
they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they
must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased.
When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will
present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and
K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK.
In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his
or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key
plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be
encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK,
and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part
message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK
producing
E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}
When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law
enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information
flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that
they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a
court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links
over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to
E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number
in the above message. They then check the serial number
of the unit and see if it is on the "watch list" for which they
have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K,
and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M.
I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do
not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed
scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme
more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court
order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not
necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were
needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is
needed, the following story adds some color: In researching
some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around,
I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert
here at Stanford and he related the following story: When
Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right
after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking
for "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for
the details so he could review the cases as required by
law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned
over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not
comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear:
No single person or authority should have the power to
authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal
keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi
and sometimes a John Mitchell.
Martin Hellman
----
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 11:41:42 PDT
From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu>
To: smb@research.att.com
Subject: Re: Clipper Chip
It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt
if you also post this message with it in which:
1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info
from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By
this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to
respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much
e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other
responsibilities.)
2. I note a probably correction sent to me by Dorothy Denning.
She met with the person from NSA that
I talked with by phone, so her understanding is likely to
better than mine on this point: Where I said the transmitted
info is E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK}
she says the message is not double encrypted. The system
key (or family key as she was told it is called) only encrypts
the serial number or the serial number and the encrypted
unit key. This is not a major difference, but I thought it
should be mentioned and thank her for bringing it to
my attention. It makes more sense since it cuts down
on encryption computation overhead.
| 11sci.crypt |
I'd offer $150 for your scanner, shipping at your expense, payment to
be sent by personal check within 24 hours after receipt of goods -- or if
you live nearby and can deliver, payment in cash with 24 hour advance notice
so I can go to the bank. If sent by mail, I reserve the right to return
it at my expense if when I check it out I find it to be defective in some
way.
BTW, why would you sell such a fine scanner? Did you replace it with
some other instrument or find it not to be satisfactory in some way?
Mark Thorson
| 6misc.forsale |
As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
> It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
> would have to be local. There are not all that many people
> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
> pay through the nose for it.
You don't know much about modern automatic weapons, do you? Just about ANYBODY
with basic manufacturing skill can turn out HIGH QUALITY submachineguns. A
couple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building
submachineguns in the school shop.
I suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of "Smallarms of the
World". Your entire premise is based on non-factual assumptions.
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fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in
Arkansas" - Holly Silva
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I need a graphics display program that can take as a parameter the name of
the file to be displayed, then just display that image and then quit.
All of the other graphics display programs come up with a menu first or some
other silliness.
This program is going to be run from within another program. I have lots of
memory and VGA color. Any graphics format will do. Has anyone heard of such
a beast?
Keith
--
Keith Knudsen
Notre Dame, IN
| 1comp.graphics |
OK,
I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is. Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650. Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach. Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk. They looked much more like
900RR gauges. Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)
So, what did I see?
(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)
________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817
'88CBR1000 '89CBR600
coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Mark Gregory Foster writes (concerning 1 Corinthians 16:2):
> The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted
> the Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the
> first day of the week was that this was when they received their
> weekly wages.
But the ancient Romans did not observe a seven-day week. Unless a
man was working for a Jewish employer, he is unlikely to have been
paid on the first day of a seven-day week. Nor would a Jewish
employer have kept his wages over the week-end (see Lev 19:13; Dt
24:15).
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I haven't seen anyone post this so I will do the honors.
Maine beat LSSU 5-4 in Milwaukee on Saturday night. It was quite a game.
Maine stormed to a 2-0 lead in the first and looked like they might run away
with it. Maine's first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game.
LSSU came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to 2-1.
LSSU came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards.
The play went quickly with the refs running a no-holds-barred type of game.
LSSU scored three more unanswered goals to lead 4-2 at the end of the second.
Now it looked like LSSU might just walk away with the game.
Coach Walsh, of Maine, replaced the starting goalie Dunham with Snow, who won
the game against Michigan. Snow proved to be a much more aggressive goalie.
The third period, like the second, belonged to the team behind. Maine scored
three unanswered goals in a span of five minutes after the four minute mark.
They were all scored by Jim Montgomery, the tournament MVP, and all assisted by
Paul Kariya.
The last minute of the game bears highlighting. The change to Snow also
proved the difference in the end. With one minute to go and with the LSSU
goalie pulled, Snow dueled with a LSSU forward in a amazing set of moves by
both. Snow won. It was a great way to end the game.
This year's three championships games were sold out last year in about one
month. The Bradley Center holds approximately 17,700.
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Safety Laboratories Department driven -/- __ ____ _ /
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Hello,
Can anybody help me with the conversion of pic format files
to HPGL files. The question is as follows:
Is it possible to convert files that have been generated in the
pic preprocessor format into HPGL format, suitable for sending
to a plotter. The hardware involved is IBM RISC/6000 running AIX
3.2.3. How should this be done and what software is involved,
where is it available, what does it cost, what are the problems?
Regards,
Dani
--------------------------------
Cimad Consultants
Antwerp, Belgium
dani@cimad.be
--------------------------------
| 1comp.graphics |
After having OpenWindows
(Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows
running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days,
the following message appears when trying to open
a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows.
XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server
package)
I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem.
Yali Amit
Department of Statistics
University of Chicago
Chicago IL 60615
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <blumenow.7@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> blumenow@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (Warren Blumenow) writes:
>We have to design an RF link for a distance of 250 m. We're using
>standard RS232 waves (square pulses) as the modulating waves and the
>carrier wave is sinusoidal. The link has to be bidirectional.
>We would appreciate any advice on the type of modulating techniques
>or antennas that we should use.
What frequency is your carrier?
Have you considered using two tones, one for 1 and another for 0?
How high is your RS-232 data rate?
Can you use more than one carrier freq?
Have you considered hiring an RF data transmission consultant?
Just Curious,
Galen Watts, KF0YJ
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>
>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>
>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>
>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors. The neck is
>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>get full-body sunburns.
>
More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
of their group or level of understanding.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <WD.93Apr26122020@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de> wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:
In article <1rg36hINNsr6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> hugo@cats.ucsc.edu (Hugo Calendar) writes:
> I'm wondering if I can tote my American touch tone phone around with me
> to Sweden and Germany. It's DC powered, and I can buy a special adapter
> for that in Europe. The question is if the general electronics work
> the same. I can buy a different wall plug and refit it (I'm sure I'd
> have to), but would that do the trick?
Two things to watch for:
In Germany (and I think the same holds for Sweden) only some
of the connections can handle tone dialing, so make sure the
phone can be set to pulse dialing.
Most (if not virtually all) swedish exchanges can handle tone
dialling. Many older electromechanical exchanges have been modified
accept tone dialling.
--
Lars-Henrik Eriksson Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263 Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
| 12sci.electronics |
>
>I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is
>there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison?
>Just my $0.02
>
>/ALN
Chicago from what I have read is projected to run in 4M on 386 and higher.
It is definitely aimed at the desktop.
It is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking,
multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing. Is 32 bit and no reliance
on DOS. It is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager.
DOS 7 is rumored to be similar to Chicago but without the GUI. Is also
a step towards CAIRO (the next generation OS) which is rumored to be
object oriented.
I wonder where Windows 4.0 fits here is it a stepping stone to Chicago?
Hope this helps.
Thx Dave L
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Hi Folks not exactly certain if this is the best place to ask, but I am
searching for a summer internship in engineering. I will be graduating in early
May with a B.S. in aerospace engineering and then pursuing my Masters this Fall
.Does anyone know of anything that is available, I am in the process of applyi
ng to some of the larger companies (ie. MacDac, Martin Marietta, Lockheed. If a
nyone knows of anything I would appreciate it if you could mail it to me.
Thanks in advance
Mark Smilor
msmilor@skat.usc.edu
or
smilor@aludra.usc.edu
| 14sci.space |
In <1993Apr20.004532.23086@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>as a legal gun owner, I must disagree. Even when I don't see eye-
>to-eye with the N.R.A. on a particular issue, they are the only
>national group which has effectively fought for my rights to target
>shoot, hunt, and protect myself from dangerous criminals.
One more time.
It ain't about duck hunting.
It ain't about lone perps on lonely streets.
It's about DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS from the *GOVERNMENT*, which
has seen fit to ignore history and attempt once again to take
them from us. They WILL SUCCEED if we don't do something NOW.
That's why I think the NRA is a bunch of WEENIES, because they
have FORGOTTEN that fundamental fact.
Pardon all my shouting, but there seem to be a whole helluva lot
of people on Condition White, fat, dumb, and happy, sucking that
glass teat for all they're worth.... Wake up and smell the cordite,
gang, they're shooting at us, and it's high time we shot back,
at least with our keyboards.....
my two bits'
Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
fly your flags at half staff and upside down,
to mourn and protest the death of the BoR.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Amazingly, pitchers, no matter how good their mechanics, are
not machines. Cy Young winners don't pitch in a vaccuum, unaware
of how their offenses are doing.
The Braves' pitching staff is already showing signs of
cracking under the strain of knowing they're not going to get many
(if any) runs. Unfortunately, the Braves' pitchers were so bad for so
long that the organization put so much stress (and I mean *stress*)
on pitching that they completely ignored hitting.
The Braves right now are looking woefully similar to the Braves of
the mid-seventies. Heaven help us.
--
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s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <37501@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>This is the most unmitigated bilge I've seen in a while. Jim Brown obviously
>has possession of the right-wing token.
>
>> Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective.
>
>"In December, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told a
>Senate committee that sanctions were costing Iraq $100 million per day, and
>that the multinational coalition could take all the time in the world.
>Iraq, he suggested, was losing badly every day it defied the UN demands,
>while the community of nations won every day -- with no taking of life or
>loss of life." -- FCNL Washington Newsletter.
As I understand, that number is deceptive. The reason is that the money
cost was in non-oil sales for the most part. Iraq still is not allowed
to sell oil, or do many of the things under the initial sanctions, but
is still surviving.
>> And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was
>> because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being
>> "so deplorable". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing
>> wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a
>> decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War,
>> precision bombing was the norm.
>
>BULLSHIT!!! In the Gulf Massacre, 7% of all ordnance used was "smart." The
>rest - that's 93% - was just regular, dumb ol' iron bombs and stuff. Have
>you forgotten that the Pentagon definition of a successful Patriot launch
>was when the missile cleared the launching tube with no damage? Or that a
>successful interception of a Scud was defined as "the Patriot and Scud
>passed each other in the same area of the sky"?
Of the ~93% (I have heard figures closer to 80%, but I won't quibble your
figures), most was dropped in carpet bombing of regions only occupied by
enemy troops. A B-52 drops a lot of bombs in one sortie, and we used them
around the clock. Not to mention other smaller aircraft using dumb
munitions.
2. The Patriot uses a proximity fuse. The adjusted figures for number
of Patriot kills of SS-1 derivitives is ~60-70%. That figure came
not from some fluke in the Pentagon, but a someone working with such
stuff in another part of DoD.
3. The statement precision bombing was the norm, is true around areas
where civilians were close to the target. We dropped by tonnage very
little bombs in populated regions, explaining the figures.
>And of the 7% that was the "smart" stuff, 35% hit. Again - try to follow me
>here - that means 65% of this "smart" arsenal missed.
This figure, is far below all the other figures I have seen. If it
is indeed accurate, then how do you explain the discrepancy between
that figure, and other figures from international organizations?
Most figures I have seen place the hit ratio close to 70%, which is
still far higher than your 35%. Or does your figure say a bomb
missed if the plane took off with it, and the bomb never hit the target,
regardless of whether or not the bomb was dropped? Such methods
are used all the time to lie with statistics.
>> The stories
>> of "hundreds of thousands" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk.
>
>Prove it. I have a source that says that to date, the civilian death count
>(er, excuse me, I mean "collateral damage") is about 200,000.
I have _never_ seen any source that was claiming such a figure. Please
post the source so its reliability can be judged.
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* M^2 * time. It doesn't work. *
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr22.175410.23214@starbase.trincoll.edu>
() writes:
>
>"Freed om of Religion" has absolutely nothing to do with building a small
>arsenal and grooming 10-year old children to be your wife. "I'll come out
>as soon as I finish my manuscript on the Seven Seals." Oh, OK, David.
>
>I agree that Koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator; this because
>he grew up inside the cult, and engaged in a power struggle where his
>supporters helped inflate his ego.
>
>That doesn't change the fact that he was a loose fucking cannon with a
>shitload of serious weapons. Or that he was banging thirteen year olds and
>twisting their impressionable little minds.
>
>This was no MOVE fuck-up. A helicoptor was thermal-imaging the compound
>that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously.
>There were no CS CANISTERS... a specially modified Abrams was pupming the
>stuff in. No chance of starting a fire there. Kerosene lamps? Maybe one,
>but not three fires. No way. Koresh wasn't just talking out of his ass. I
>expected this to happen.
>
>Maybe they WANTED it to look like murder. He had 50+ days. I think this was
>coming the whole time. He didn't even put the children in the buried bus or
>the underground bunker during the CS seige. He put them up into the tower
>to die. Fuck all of you "Big Brother" paranoid freaks. The only good thing
>to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to
>attract some of the more rootless members of our society.
>
I'd have to agree with you there Joe.
Rodney Thomas
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <burke.1-290393150052@burkemac.oshag.nd.edu> burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes:
>When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to
>remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard
>him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In
>Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan
>of the Canadiens.
Agreed here...I'll never forget Dan Kelly calling the play-by-play in the '87
Canada Cup. He was masterful!
And Danny Gallivan will _never_ be replaced; even now when I watch HNIC I
remember his voice...when I see an Al MacInnis or Al Iafrate (hey, what's with
these guys named Al who can shoot??) shot from the point I still think
"blistering blast"...THN had a tribute to Gallivan in the issue following his
death; in the story they included a quote from one of the games he did. It
went:
"It appears Risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check," he said, "and
will undoubtedly make a visitation to the box of punition."
Classic, vintage Gallivan! He's sorely missed. So here's to two of the best
there was and best that ever will be.
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much..
Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? I don't like
your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. Didn't you hear the
saying "DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!"...
See ya in hell..
Timucin.
--
KAAN,TIMUCIN
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a
Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Add me to the list of bugged 230 owners.
I had a bunch of problems regarding sleep/wakeup/restart with the 230 when
I first got it, both with and without the techworks ram. Finally it "died",
wouldn't start, until I opened the docking door (which snaps open) and
the machine came up fine, but with the clock a few decades off. Apple
replaced the processor board.
Now,
twice the machine has frozen (no mouse action)
twice the machine has refused to wake up. Acutally, the backlighting
came on, and the disk spins when the power adaptor is plugged in
(but not with a good battery).
The first time this happened removing both power adaptor and battery
for ~1 minute brought the machine back.
The second time this happened the machine wouldn't wake up until
powered down for about 30 minutes. The screen had what looked
like red horizontal lines accross it.
Both timse the file "fax modem preferences" has been corrupted
according to disinfectent).
I have removed all the fax and modem software, and the third party memory,
and am waiting to see if it happens again.
forrest
--
Forrest Howard
Oracle Corporation
500 Oracle Parkway
Box 65414
Redwood Shores, CA 94065
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <skelly.18c2@amiganet.chi.il.us>, skelly@amiganet.chi.il.us (Sean Kelly) writes:
|>
|>
|> I have a question about accessing certain addresses on a chip,
|> particulary a 27C512 EPROM. Although I don't know that much about it, as I
|> understand it, there's a pin on the chip that, when voltage is applied, kicks
|> up the address. The question is how do you determine how many bytes the
|> address is incremented by?? For example, if I have code I want to be
|> accessed at $2000 and also at say $4000 how do I move the address pointer to
|> those positions?? Thanks for any info...
|>
|> %^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%
|> % Sean Kelly - Sysop Amizon BBS (312)594-1146 %
|> % Always looking for classic video games for the following systems: %
|> % %
|> % Atari 2600-Atari 5200-ColecoVision-Atari 5200-Intellivision-Vectrex %
|> %^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%
Judging by your .sig you are trying to make some kind of game cartridge.
Information of how to build an EEPROM cartidge for the vectrex is available
via anonymous ftp at 'csus.edu'.
Since you've chosen the 27C512 you are probably trying to make a 'multicart'.
To do this simply:
1. Load the game images into the EEPROM at $2000, $4000, etc. (Your EEPROM
burner software may allow this or you will have to assemble the images into
one file yourself with suitable gaps.)
2. Wire up the cartridge with the lower address bits going to the game
console, and the high bits going to switches to choose between games.
To directly answer your question above, the pin that 'kicks up the address'
is simply another address line.
For a concrete example, with the 27C512 and 8K games images, you would
wire A0-A12 to the cartridge, and A13-A15 to 3 switches. The 3 switches
would allow you to pick from the 8 games on the EEPROM.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
> There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from
> wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and
> is called "grfwk61t.zip." This program should od everthing
> you need.
>
> --
>
> TMC
> (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
THANKS! It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks...
Joshuaf
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <C5u5u5.Gw@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <2003@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
>
>> One thing that should be made clear is that neither the FBI nor
>>the BATF is responsible for what happened yesterday. One can argue about
>>the initial raid, but it would be worth mentioning, before the facts get
>>lost, that
>>
>> 1. The Branch Davidians were tipped off that the BATF was coming
>> during the initial raid.
>>
>> 2. The Branch Davidians opened fire first.
>
>
> See, this is what really bugs me about this whole incident, and
> also about Usenet: Here we are almost two months after the original
> raid, a raid witnessed by several members of the press, and there is
> STILL no agreement about the basic facts. Riggs, here, and others,
> are claiming that the BD's shot first, while others on the net claim
> that the feds did, in the form of concussion grenades.
>
> I suggest that before ANY of you make any claims about who shot
> first, you DOCUMENT your claim with actual evidence, and not just
> FOAF or "he said / she said". Otherwise don't use words like
> "fact" above - it just makes you all look stupid.
Perhaps I don't get my news from the right sources. Reading
the Washington Post practically every day, I had considered the "facts"
I stated above to be a matter of public record, and hardly in dispute.
So, if "others on the net" - and in the rest of the media as well, are
claiming something else, I'll be glad to entertain such claims in an
open-minded manner. To date, this is the first I've seen of any claim
that the BATF used ANY weapons BEFORE the Branch Davidians opened
fire on them. So - please - enlighten me.
Bill R.
--
"The only proposals in the Senate that I "My opinions do not represent
have seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or
praiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency."
It seems to me that the historian's foremost - Bill Riggs
duty is to ensure that virtue is remembered,
and to deter evil words and deeds with the
fear of posterity's damnation."
- Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In order to have formulate a rational position on what cryptography
policies are acceptable, we must set forth a list of basic requirements.
I would propose the following as a starting point:
1. The algorithm must be publicly known, and must have a record of
surviving attempts by outside experts to find weaknesses.
2. The system implementation must make it possible to verify that the
advertised algorithm is, in fact, the one that is being used.
3. The key must be quickly changeable by the user, and must be of a
sufficient length and complexity to defeat any brute-force search
possible now or in the reasonably near future.
Note that these requirements are not incompatible with some form of key
escrow system; the May 1993 issue of "Byte" describes an example of an
encryption system which can clearly be implemented in a manner consistent
with the above requirements while requiring that parts of the key be
escrowed in order to have one's public key listed by a central distributor.
| 11sci.crypt |
mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>bobm@brimstone (Bob Morley) writes:
>>In article <sfpPIsK00WB64HPO5e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> While "passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>> and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>> rid of these? Buff them out? Wax them out? help!
McGuyers makes a full line of polishing compounds and waxes... Read
the lables and pick the one that matches the marks that you see on the
paint. Then do both you and your fiance a favor by putting a nice
thick coat of the carnuba wax on the bike. After that those little
scratches will just buff out.
*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28%
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis)
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
*********************************************************************
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <moyman-220493093234@jonathan.ecn.purdue.edu> Mike Moya,
moyman@ecn.purdue.edu writes:
>What is the real story here? Can I hook up any PC SVGA Montitor to the
>Centris internal video? Do I need to make my own cable if it doesn't not
>come with one? Has apple released a Tech note with the pinouts for doing
>such? The reasoj I ask is that it seems the prices for SVGA are lower
than
>that of their mac counterparts...
First of all, I wouldn't advise wasting your time with Apple. They'll
treat you like an idiot and you won't get any answers (a personal
opinion).
The safest thing to do is match the SVGA monitor's scanning rates with
Apple's rates. I don't know Apple's video scanning rates, but I use the
Micron Xceed 30's rates, as they're a good approximation.
About cables: you just have to go out to someplace like Fry's and get a
few Mac-VGA cables and try them out. I have a ViewSonic 5E (14") and I
use an NEC adaptor. Other monitors may use other adaptors. I also have
a Mac->832x624 adaptor that tricks System into thinking the monitor is an
Apple 16". I need to readjust the vertical and horizontal sizes but it
works fairly well.
"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."
Ravi Konchigeri.
mongoose@leland.stanford.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <94380@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU
(COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) writes:
[...]
>Btw, if I screwed up bad enough to get someone hurt/killed, my CO, the
>PMS, probably the Brigade Commander, and possibly the Region Commander
>could all expect a good amount of heat, possibly including
>reassignment or seperationfrom service. Certainly the PMS would not
>be promotable, and would shortly thereafter be asked to retire. This
>is called accountability. If my PMS knew beforehand about the
>activities in which a person was killed, he would be nailed for
>failing to ensure that proper safety measures were taken. If he
>didn't know , he would be nailed for improper supervision. Can we
>hold the President of the US to lower standards than his subordinates?
>After all, he was briefed on the FBI raid. He could have asked HOW
>they intended to flush the BD's out...
The President is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a
raid, nor does he need to be. His job is to set basic policies and
manage the people under him. If Clinton instructed Reno to preserve
lives, and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as
could be, then he did his job. The President should not involve
himself in the minor details of these kinds of operations. This sort
of micromanagement only leads to disaster, as was demonstrated so well
in Vietnam.
But the raid went bad: Over 80 civilians have been killed in a
controntation with U.S. authorities.
NOW Clinton enters the picture in a big way. Will Clinton start an
investigation? Or will he try to squash any attempt to investigate?
Is he a responsible leader? Or is he only interested in protecting
the image of his administration?
We'll all find out as this unfolds.
--
Mark Draughn | <draughn@iitmax.iit.edu> or <SYSMARK@IITVAX> on BITNET
----------------+ Academic Computing, Illinois Institute of Technology
+1 312 567 5962 | 10 W. 31st Street, Chicago, Illinois 60616
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes:
>As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this->
>aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a
>sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia?
>
>The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is
>not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you
>can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about
>it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us.
>
>(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) )
>
>GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world
>where a person can complain without getting shot at.
>
>People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody
>did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things:
>
>1) What have they done right?
>2) How much worse can it get?
>
>And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky.
>
>So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on.
>But let's not overreact!
>
Us having the liberties to talk about this doesn't make the problem go
away. It doesn't make it right. Rather the opposite, if we do not do
anything about it, you can bet it's going to get worse.
* Angel@foghorn_leghorn.coe.northeastern.edu
* * * * BTW: These are my opinions, and not that of any other entity
- * * * * * * ------------------------------------------------------------*
* * * My god, its full of stars! - Dave
* I don't know about you, but we've got company! - Epidemic
| 11sci.crypt |
> Another thing, why a SCSI interface ?
>
> By giving the 2.5"MO a floppy interface it could reduce the price of it and
> make it easily installed in existing devices.
easily installed in existing pc clone devices, you mean
and thats not even really true, cause neither the controller
nor the computers bios will know anything about them
and it probably wouldnt be in sony's (or whoever) best interest
to restrict themselves to customers using pc clones and apple ][s
(and whatever other obsolete boxes might use the familiar old
floppy interface)
--
Bella Lugosi's dead, Jim
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Somewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of
music in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful
of the angels. Isn't it funny that these days how MTV has become
the "bible" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands
are popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to
be politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any
musical talent. Then of course, you have this television station
that tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the
retro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag.
Anyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory.
If Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the "ever
changing waters" (music and fashion world) that the beast would
arise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the
beast and drinking the blood of the martyrs.
Hmmmm....great idea for a book/movie.....
--
Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew
salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because
we have ideas. We have a philosophy.
Geoff Tate -- Queensryche
| 15soc.religion.christian |
6misc.forsale | |
In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes:
>Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been
>better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months?
For starters, they could have gone on waiting and negotiating. The Davidians
weren't going anywhere, and their supplies had to be limited. Large, perhaps,
but limited. If they had simply fired the compound by themselves without
gov't tanks smashing down their walls, then at least the gov't would not be
guilty of having _again_ used an inappropriate level of force, and would have
been able to use the meantime to continue to pressure and negotiate. No, they
would not have looked good on the news in six months or a year. But they sure
as hell don't look very good now.
Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In <C5HxLK.FIx@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:
>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) said:
>>>
>>>I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list.
>>
>> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with
>> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count.
>>
>>>Give me a break!
>I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't
>count for anything.
>My mistake.
Oh, oh, we all know what's going to happen now don't we!
Gord Niguma
(fav player: John Olerud)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
David Fuzzy Wells (wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a
: really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a
: Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec.
: <BOOM!> Whooooooooshhhhhh...... <sputter, sputter>
: <okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just a thought... (let's pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn't
there be a large static electricity build up around the puncture?
If the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the
deflating balloon would generate electrical interference - "noise"
By the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a "Bugs
Bunny" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to "BOOM", and the fabric
would almost certainly be ripstop.
Regards, Robin Kenny - a private and personal opinion, not in any way
endorsed, authorised or known by my employers.
______________________________________________________________________
What the heck would I know about Space? I'm stuck at the
bottom of this huge gravity well!
| 14sci.space |
rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) writes:
>rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:
>> Send something to Rush Linbaugh about Clinton taking away our right
>>to privacy and how if the govt. standard takes off, only people with lots
>>of money (drug dealers) will be able to justify DES stuff. He will slam
>>Clinton for this on the air.
>> --Rob.
>I seem to recall Rush saying that he has a CompuServe account. If anyone
>wants to E-mail him, all we need is his account number (i.e.: 12345,6789)
>and then we could e-mail him via gateway by using a dot instead of a comma
>like so: "12345.6789@compuserve.com". (THIS IS *NOT* HIS ADDRESS.)
>So, does anyone know his e-mail address? He *says* he uses it all the time.
>(I wonder if he reads alt.fan.rush-limbaugh... His ego is big enough!)
>Rick Miller <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <ricxjo@discus.mil.wi.us> Ricxjo Muelisto
>Send a postcard, get one back! | Enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion!
I've heard he doesn't read alt.fan.rush.....
But I have no idea of a Compuserve e-mail address...
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr23.120935.21848@icd.ab.com>, kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
>Well, after 2 days of hearing that 3 of the BD bodies had
>been shot in the head (Horrors! Another Jonestown! Crazed
>Cultists! Child Abusers! WHACKOS in Waco!), last night the
>medical examiner was on TV and was pretty vehement in denying
>that ANY of them had bullet wounds... he seemed just a tad upset
>at the Feds for having spread that rumor. (Aw, gee, he shouldn't
>be so hard on them; they're just practicing the new principle
>of "flexible reality" that their big boss has implemented.)
>
>Before long, I think all the kneejerk government apologists
>are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily
>they were misled.
Two notes of interest from Texas:
The Tarrant Couonty ME (who is doing the autopsies) is well known for rendering
judgements that are contrary to the police view. He presented evidence a few
years ago that a man who police said was pointing a gun at them actually had
his hands in the air. This does not bode well for the boys in black.
The Texas Dept. of Public Saftey and the Texas Rangers have no great love for
the ATF. I have heard them referred to as "those fucking cowboys". The DPS
was totally squeezed out of the BD operation and resented being left as
"traffic cops". ATF now has two strikes against them.
Finally (I guess that makes three notes), rumour from Waco is that four ATF
agents were stopped by four Waco police cars and a DPS trooper after one of the
flashed "an automatic weapon" at a cop. Lots of pissed of cops. And you
wonder why there were so few cops really cheering on the ATF.
--
Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures.
PADI DM-54909 |
| 16talk.politics.guns |
rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:
>The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These
>are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a
>three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the
>earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to
>allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow
>down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without
>expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The
>originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan
>was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for
>deceleration.
I should probably re-post this with another title, so that
the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical
use of "temporary orbits..."
Another possible temporary orbit:
--
Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr21.142357.14164@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
>In article <1993Apr21.063836.4412@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>>
>> Tonight in Boston, the Buffalo Sabres blanked the Boston
>>Bruins 4-0 tonight in Boston. Looks like Boston can hang
>>this season up, because Buffalo's home record is awesome!!!!
>>This is great.. Buffalo fans might get to see revenge for
>>last year!!!!! :)
>
>I'm glad Grant Fuhr will never be as over-confident after two wins
>as you are...it takes four wins to defeat an opponent...each tougher
>to obtain than the previous one. Buffalo is off to a good start...
>Fuhr is proving the Fuhr-bashers wrong, but Boston is an awfully
>good team.
>
>Gerald
Awesome home record or not, you need to remember the 7th game last year at the
Aud. I'd like to see some playoff games since I'm stuck in Buffalo at UB, but
I think Boston isn't giving up so easy.
mr. bungle
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Greetings!
I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the
desktop can occasionally result in the windows "blowing up" into a set of
horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this
except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is
that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually
scrolling, as if a CR was printed without an LF. This seems ONLY to happen
to communications programs, but I can't nail it down any further than that.
Note, though, that the comms programs don't have to be communicating. Even
just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in
these programs causes the problem.
Prior to the latest rev of Word Perfect for Windows, WPwin would sometimes
blow up, and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of
the problem. I've still seen this, but only once or twice with WPwin 5.2.
Dave Zimmerman
(My opinions are my own)
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Meeting of the UK Cryptoprivacy Association
- -------------------------------------------
Saturday, 8 May 1993, 1500
To be held at the offices of:
FOREST
4th floor
2 Grosvenor Gardens
London SW1W 0DH
This is located at the corner of Hobart Place, a couple of
blocks west of Victoria Station, and almost directly across from
the dark green cabbie shelter.
If you have trouble finding the place, please call the office on
071-823-6550. Or, call me (Russell Whitaker) on my pager,
081-812-2661, and leave an informative message with the
telephone number where you can be reached; I will return the
call almost immediately.
Discussion will range from the usual general topics, such as the
use of secure public key cryptosystems to protect message data, to
specific topics, such as recent moves by the U.S. government
to restrict choice in data privacy (reference recent discussion
on Usenet groups, e.g. sci.crypt and alt.security.pgp).
All are invited. Particularly welcome are members of the
newly-formed UK CommUnity group ... the local
EFF-in-spirit-if-not-in-name folks.
Those who plan to attend should email me and let me know.
Please.
All attendees are requested to bring diskettes - preferably
MS-DOS - with their PGP 2.+ public keys. As is usual at these
gatherings, several of us will bring our laptops, and will sign
public keys, subject to the usual caveats (reference the
documentation for PGP 2.2, specifically files PGPDOC1.DOC and
PGPDOC2.DOC).
If you do not already have a copy of PGP 2.2 (MS-DOS), and would
like to have a copy of this public domain program, please bring
a formatted, medium or high density 3.5 inch floppy PC diskette;
you will be provided a copy of the program.
Of course, you might prefer to ftp a version of the program from
one of the various archive sites. I suggest trying Demon
Internet Systems, which carries the full range of PGP (Phil
Zimmerman's "Pretty Good Privacy") implementations: directory
/pub/pgp at gate.demon.co.uk.
Meetings are of indeterminate time. Those who are interested
are invited to join the rest of us at a pseudorandomly
determined pub afterwards.
Please note:
- ------------
In the past few months, interested people have emailed me,
requesting FAQs and special information mailings. I regret
that, except in very unusual cases (e.g. working press), I
cannot, in a timely manner, respond to these requests. I will,
however - and for the first time - do a writeup of this meeting,
which I will post in various places.
What I *am* willing to supply is general information on our
activities for the maintainers of existing FAQs, such as that
for alt.privacy. FAQ maintainers can contact me at
whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk
Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk
Communications Editor AMiX: RWhitaker
EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought
Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI)
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| 11sci.crypt |
I was just wondering if anyone new how I could get the BETA version of Windows
NT, and be part of the BETA program.
Thanks
gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
P.S. Please Reply by E-Mail
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C6yAoD.4C7@cobra.cs.unm.edu> melabdel@cobra.cs.unm.edu (Mohammed Elabdellaoui) writes:
>Muslims helping the Nazis??? Where on earth do you come up with such
>accuusation?? Do you have proofs?? If not, you should publically apologize
>for such a statement.
What a dope! There is no value for Mohammed Elabdellaoui to be here
at a Western University. Third-worldist and Islamic brain-rot has
made it impossible for him to acquire and analyze facts appropriately.
The history of the efforts of the Mufti of Jerusalem to serve the
Nazis in the South Balkans and set up Muslim SS Divisions is
well-documented. In general, Nazism and the leader-principle
resonated well among Muslim peoples. Khomeini's concept of the faqih
is a recent example of such resonance. In fact, totalitarianism is
etymologically a reasonable translation Islam.
To be fair, the Mufti did not succeed in getting large numbers of
Muslims to join the SS. But the rather small Muslim SS unit did
manage to commit attrocities disproportionate to it size. There were
also Muslim people who were less than enthusiastic about the attempt
of Muslim leaders to entice Muslim people to serve the Nazi cause
actively. And the Turkish government ignored practically all Nazi
overtures even though an alliance with the Nazis against the Soviet
government would have made a great deal of tactical sense.
Last time I heard, the nazis prided themselves in
>needing no body to carry their politics and ideologies. And if your statment
>were true, don't you think Israel would of used it to point to what a Muslim
>neighbor (PALESTINE) could do to them if they allowed it to be? The jewish
>lobby and power is very strong, and if what you said is true, we would of
>heard it from them before you could come up with it.
>And you dare say that you are taking no sides!!
Yes, the typical primitive Muslim psychopathological psychotic
behavior upon hearing or reading a disagreeable fact -- start whining
about the Jews. What a jerk.
>Mohammed
You should go back to your mindlessly stupid 3rd world country. Your
brain has no business in a civilized first world country.
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Mr MC Howell (g90h6721@hippo.ru.ac.za) wrote:
: Please don't ask questions like "why don't you buy a soundblaster". The
: answer is simple "Overpriced considering the sound quality".
Why not try one of the projects to build a DAC connected to the parallel
port as documented in some files which come with modplay ? These vary from
a 4 DAC design to a simple single DAC made only of resistors.--
David Hembrow EO Europe Ltd.,
email: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk Abberley House, Granhams Road,
Great Shelford, Cambridge CB2 5LQ, England
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <116530@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
<In article <1993Apr22.134214.18517@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes:
<>In this giant bally-ho over this Clipper chip I noticed a rather
<>disturbing trend in some of the E-mail and posts I've tossing back and
<>forth.
<> [ ... deleted ... ]
<A circut court judge in Illinois once said "When dealing with a government
<that seeks continually new and more creative ways to spy on its' citizenry,
<one cannot discourage the move to empower the common citizen with the means
<to parry this attack on personal privacy."
<
<(Unfortunately the comment was with regard to the banning of radar
<detectors....)
<
<The point remains. More and more I see the government slowly washing
<away privacy. Even unwittingly. Do you think I will ever live in a
<soceity that issues smart cards to citizens at birth? Do you think I
<will live in a soceity that insists I register my crypto keys so they
<can keep track of what I'm saying? Even if there is no evidence of my
<guilt? Do you think I will ever live in a soceity that seeks to meddle
<in the affairs of its' citizenry without recourse of any kind? I'm tired
<of it. There is (IMHO) no compromise with an administration that seeks
<to implement these proposals under the guise of enhancing privacy.
<
<More than the proposals themselves, I read the language of the press
<releases, the obvious deception involved in presenting these pieces to
<the public, and I am sickened. I am revolted. I am repulsed.
<
<90%, perhaps even 95% of this country could care less about the
<clipper chip, the wiretap bill, the smart card, because they are so
<entrapped in the rhetoric of the Clinton Administration.
The problem is, the people are not having the scope, or implicataions
pointed out to them. Hell, most haven't even heard of Clipper, and
when they do, it will be in soothing language telling everyone how
nice the government is at 'letting them have' privacy.
How come the media is not telling about the provisions of the Clipper
decision? The provisions of the Crime Bill? The abuses of Civil Forfeiture?
The government uses polls to support 75 percent of the people want
gun bans, etc., yet the same pollsters have determined (according to
the media) that 30 percent of the people are unaware of what the Holocaust
is...
The people cannot be expected to give decent decisions when they are
denied the information that all these abuses and whittling away of
rights are going on quietly. When they find out (when it hits them),
it will be too late. One cannot expect each citizen to spend all their
time probing, searching, researching, etc. For example, how big a
percentage of the average population even has access to USENET? Way
less than 1 percent, I bet. How many outside of Internet/USENET
are even AWARE of what Big Brother is doing, or have been exposed to
arguments of both sides of the issue?
What the public will get is only ONE side: The Government's side.
THAT is scary.
<
<This saddens and frightens me.
<
<I am a conserveative believe it or not. A law and order conserveative.
<But the move to a centralized authoratarian regime really scares me,
<mostly because I know you cant go far wrong underestimating the
<intelligence of the American people. Tell them it's going to keep
<them safe from drug dealers and terrorists, and they will let you
<put cameras in their home.
How can the bulk of the people be informed, when the media refuses to
do it?
<Even in the wake of Waco, you find those who support the increasingly
<totalatarian moves.
<
<>Somebody once said something like: "Armed Violence is meant only to be
<>used in response to an armed attack. It is not meant to be used in
<>agression. This is the difference between self-defence and murder."
<
<To be quite honest, the way things are going, I'd call it self defense.
<
<>Let's try to avoid killing things, eh? There's enough blood shed in the
<>world, without adding a couple of riots, Civil Wars, etc.
<>
<>I'm probably overreacting. But what I've read scared me a lot. I don't
<>want my children growing up in a War Zone.
<
<
<And I dont want mine growning up in the eyes of a security camera
<24 hours a day.
The people at large need to be informed. BUT HOW? I am but one person.
I try to talk to everyone that will listen, but I can hardly make any
kind of dent.
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
| 11sci.crypt |
>I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the
>SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem
each
>time I want to print something???
No. The printer port on the Mac is also serial. It has the same interface as
the ImageWriter II.
-Kris
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr20.203503.8672@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Actually, the assault wasn't without warning. The FBI called and said to
>them if they didn't come out they would be gassed. THe Agent was hung up
>on. They knew.
If that was really what the FBI said, I'm extrelemy suspicious: They
_knew_ the Branch Davidian was a very paranoid group. To say, "...or
you will be gassed" would probably have been understood as _poison_
gas, not tear gas. If the FBI made that remark, I'd say they were
encouraging an extreme reaction.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I am having trouble compiling xtmenu. I am running on a Sparc IPC
using SunOS 4.1.1 and OpenWindows 3. I am getting undefined references
to arguments to XtSetArg such as XttextEdit, XttextRead, etc. Am I
using the wrong version of a library? missing an include file? Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff.
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| phone : (716) 422-5647 | ... and the only one that |
| snailmail : 780 Salt Road 845-20C | can be mass produced with |
| Webster, NY 14580 | unskilled labor. |
| | -- Wernher von Braun |
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr5.151818.27409@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>In article <1993Apr3.161757.19612@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
>>
>>Another uncommon problem is maternal hemorrhage. I don't remember the
>>incidence, but it is something like 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 births. It is hard
>>to see how you could handle it at home, and you wouldn't have very much time.
>>
>>thing you might consider is that people's risk tradeoffs vary. I consider
>>a 1/1,000 risk of loss of a loved one to require considerable effort in
>>the avoiding.
>
>Mark, you seem to be terrified of the birth process
That's ridiculous!
>and unable to
>believe that women's bodies are actually designed to do it.
They aren't designed, they evolved. And, much as it discomforts us, in
humans a trouble-free birth process was sacrificed to increased brain and
cranial size. Wild animals have a much easier time with birth than humans do.
Domestic horses and cows typically have a worse time. To give you an idea:
my family tree is complicated because a few of my pioneer great-great-
grandfathers had several wives, and we never could figure out which wife
had each child. One might ask why this happened. My great-great-
grandfathers were, by the time they reached their forties, quite prosperous
farmers. Nonetheless, they lost several wives each to the rigors of
childbirth; the graveyards in Spencer, Indiana, and Boswell, North Dakota,
contain quite a few gravestones like "Ida, wf. of Jacob Liptrap, and
baby, May 6, 1853."
>You wanted
>to section all women carrying breech in case one in a hundred or a
>thousand breech babies get hung up in second stage,
More like one in ten. And the consequences can be devastating; I have
direct experience of more than a dozen victims of a fouled-up breech birth.
>and now you want
>all babies born in hospital based on a guess of how likely maternal
>hemorrhage is and a false belief that it is fatal.
It isn't always fatal. But it is often fatal, when it happens out of
reach of adequate help. More often, it permanently damages one's health.
Clearly women's bodies _evolved_ to give birth (I am no believer in divine
design); however, evolution did not favor trouble-free births for humans.
>You have your kids where you want. You encourage your wife to
>get six inch holes cut through her stomach muscles, expose herself
>to anesthesia and infection, and whatever other "just in case" measures
>you think are necessary.
My, aren't we wroth! I haven't read a more outrageous straw man attack
in months! I can practically see your mouth foam.
We're statistically sophisticated enough to balance the risks. Although
I can't produce exact statistics 5 years after the last time we looked
them up, rest assured that we balanced C-section risks against other risks.
I wouldn't encourage my wife to have a Caesarean unless it was clearly
indicated; on the other hand, I am opposed (on obvious grounds) to waiting
until an emergency to give in.
And bear this in mind: my wife took the lead in all of these decisions.
We talked things over, and I did a lot of the leg work, but the main
decisions were really hers.
>But I for one am bothered by your continued
>suggestions, especially to the misc.kidders pregnant for the first
>time, that birth is dangerous, even fatal, and that all these
>unpleasant things are far better than the risks you run just doing
>it naturally.
I don't know of very many home birth advocates, even, that think that
a first-time mother should have her baby at home.
>I'm no Luddite. I've had a section. I'm planning a hospital birth
>this time. But for heaven's sake, not everyone needs that!
But people should bother to find out the relative risks. My wife was
unwilling to take any significant risks in order to have nice surroundings.
In view of the intensity of the birth experience, I doubt surroundings
have much importance anyway. Somehow the values you're advocating seem
all lopsided to me: taking risks, even if fairly small, of serious
permanent harm in order to preserve something that is, after all,
an esthetic consideration.
--
Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester
Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu
| 13sci.med |
In <Apr.10.05.31.12.1993.14351@athos.rutgers.edu> harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood) writes:
>There had been recent criticism of this in a listserv for academic
>Biblical scholars: they all say the book(s) are modern fakes.
>D.H.
Which listsev was this and is the discussion still current? My questioning
is based on some information presented from the Essene NT that challenges
some of my eating choices. As the info came from a biased (opposed to my
preferences) third party I am looking for info as to whether I should
dismiss this work or put some consideration into it. Thanks again for info!
--
Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and
University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality
Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks
chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says:
>In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
>>to go fast.
>you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the
>mustang doesn't even have disc brakes in the back.
>but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and
>the late 80's 911s, not the least of which is handling. i'm not
^^
I think you mean late '60s. The biggest change that Porsche undertook to
alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the
'69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase. Besides, some people
actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it.
>in europe. the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to
>be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette's handling).
^^^^^
>what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the
^^^^ ^^^^
You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about
the Vette's he's driven.
>911 turbo? you can't make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can
>have an awful fast pig.
^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
Yeah, that was what he said. :-)
Paul Frere agreed. They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to
either of the Vette's at that test.
--
Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
| 7rec.autos |
In article 1369@qdeck.com, support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes:
>In article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes:
>
>>What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find
>>out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running
>>DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response
>>time. Anyone have any ideas ??
>
>I expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network
>itself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have
>roughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell
>file servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our
>Ethernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each
>segment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run
>were very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns.
>
>But the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486
>33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have
>10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns
>because you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will
>attempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time
>slice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it.
>
Well I can buy a bigger and more powerful server machine because of the
significant drop in price year after year. The link I want to use
though (ISDN 64K) is costly and the bandwidth limited. That's why my
interest lies in seeing if such a link can be used and see what traffic
goes through it.
>Having said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding
>in calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of
>thing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before
>you started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth).
Hmmm. Has anyone at your centre monitored the traffic at all? Are you
running any standard MS-Windows programs like Word ? What sort of
packets go blazing through? What size link do you have (2Mb or 10Mb ?).
What is the average traffic flow going through your network or do you
have few high peaks and then many low points?
>It all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going
>to see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all
>doing network things also...)
>--
What do you mean by network things? I vision using MS Windows and other
Windows applications over the network were the processes are running on
the server and all I am getting are the displays. I am wondering how
good is the X and subsequently DV/X protocol in transferring these
images with X-calls and displaying them on a client's machine.
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <C5Jy07.8GK@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.
edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>
>|>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>|>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>|>>}
>|>>} Secondly, any Canadian who has worked and participates in the
>|>>} insurance (it's a negative option, you have to explicitly decline
>|>>} it) knows that the premium is deducted separately ...
>|>>
>|>>yes, and some Americans actually have a problem with having more
>|>>of their money taken from them to pay for others' health care...
>|>
>|>But note again, the Canadian and German health insurance is voluntary
>
>Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection
>effectively makes it a tax.
>
>
>|>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has
>|>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through
>|>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend.
>
>Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they
>don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush "selfish Bastard" ecconomy
>has done to the country.
>
>Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselve
s,
>thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the
>ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle
>class.
>
This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the
1980 election.
This whole "USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it", is not only lame,
pathetic, and old....... it's wrong.
Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more than
the entire economy of Germany, a "kind, gentle" country, in many peoples'
books. What a joke.
Ryan
| 18talk.politics.misc |
halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>What is the fact of evolution? There is a difference between calling
>evolution a fact and talking about the theory of evolution providing
>facts (I happen to think the latter is more accurate ).
I hate doing this, because it's been done so many times before, but...
Evolution, in the nonscientific sense, is change. Although it is
often used in a colloquial manner to refer to phenomena that tend
toward higher complexity and ability, evolution simply implies change,
for good or for bad. In the scientific sense, evolution is merely the
change in allele frequencies for a given population over a period of
time. This is usually what people refer to when they discuss the
scientific fact of evolution. We observe such shifts in allele
frequencies occurring all the time, so it is trivial to conclude that
evolution is a scientific fact.
The mechanisms that enable such changes in allele frequencies are
collectively known as the theory of evolution. Darwin's natural
selection is one such theory. Genetic drift is another. Gene flow is
still another.
Evolution is a fact and a theory. (I posted Larry Moran's lengthy
article on this topic a couple days ago. Why don't you go back and
read it?)
--
Brett J. Vickers "Don't go around saying the world owes you
bvickers@ics.uci.edu a living. The world owes you nothing.
It was here first." - Mark Twain
| 19talk.religion.misc |
There was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins'
season on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening
game against the Devils on Sunday. I only turned it on in time to
watch the credits. If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow
it to dub it, I would appreciate it. I would be willing to come pick
it up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer. Please
respond via e-mail. Thanks a lot.
Oh yeah. Was it any good?
-Billy
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I'm having an X resource problem using Brian Wilson's wscrawl 2.0
(a wonderful interactive conferencing program, by the way). I'm
running OpenWindows 3.0 on a SPARC 1+ under OS 4.1.3. I have
the following defaults in my .Xdefaults file (among many others):
wscrawl.telePointerName: Kevin
wscrawl.syncScrollbars: True
wscrawl.continuousTelePointer: True
wscrawl.showPointerCoordinates: False
wscrawl*background: LightBlue
wscrawl*swindow*foreground: yellow
wscrawl*draw_area_frame*foreground: Blue
wscrawl*keyboardFocusPolicy: pointer
Naturally, I exited the server and restarted it after adding
those lines to .Xdefaults .
If I run the following from a cmdtool (pwd = my home dir.):
xrdb -m .Xdefaults
and then start up wscrawl, then all those defaults are used
properly. Wonderful, yes? Except that I can't get them to be
operative except by *manually* invoking the afore-mentioned
xrdb command. If I try:
xrdb .Xdefaults
the defaults "won't take."
So, I tried to change the xrdb call in my .xinitrc file from:
xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults
to:
xrdb -m $HOME/.Xdefaults
No go. So I tried adding in:
xrdb -m /home/kbw/.Xdefaults
at the beginning or end of my .openwin-init file. Still no go.
Any notions what gives? Thanks for the help.
--
Kevin Weinrich Computer Sciences Corp.
kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov
| 5comp.windows.x |
hamid@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Hamid Reza Mohammadi Daniali) writes:
>Is this means that the number of the people have been killed by Israel are so
>high that you can not keep the track of, or this is also a part of Zionism
>ideology that you don't need to keep the track of the people you kill?
>Just kill!
If you _know_ that the number is "so high", would you care to provide it?
To tell you the truth, Hamid, most of those killed by the Israeli Army were
agressors who were invading or attacking Israel with the intention of murdering
Jews and destroying the Jewish State. Thus, I have no sympathy for them and
I really don't give a damn about how many were killed.
>Hamid
Ed.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
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02106@chopin.udel.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1993Apr21.161633.25624@wuecl.wustl.edu> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:
> Buffalo is up 2-0 is the series with Boston, and the reason....Grant Fuhr ?
> Fuhr is playoff hungry, and he's proving once again why they call him
> money goaltender. Fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the
> league anymore (Statistically at least), but he's proving that he can
> make the big save at the right time.
> The Leafs should have kept Fuhr, and probably would have had a chance
> against powerhouse Detroit. But again.......where was Andreychoke in game 1?
I applauded the Sabres for making the deal to get Fuhr, specifically because I
thought it would help them win at least one playoff series. However, I don't
think the Leafs can be faulted either...there is nothing to say that Felix
won't be winning playoff series by himself in years to come.
Anyway, does anybody else find it ironic that Fuhr is up against Moog? (or at
least he was until a guy named Alex showed up....:-) )
--
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:
> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
>>Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely
>>and utterly untrue.
>
>>The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that
>>will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned
>>in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we
>>have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they
>>sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering
>>it and revealing the details illegal.
>
>In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish,
>but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes
>sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is
>classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is
>_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you
>are then not allowed to read your own paper.
Oh? What about the precedent in which nuclear weapons information was
published in "The Progressive"? I was under the impression that the
court held that prior restraint could NOT be used. Any lawyers out
there?
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
| 11sci.crypt |
The subject says nearly everything;
I am talking about the accellerator card (note the 'X'), not about
the ET4000 product (without 'X').
Please mail me the address of an appropriate ftp-server.
Thanx:
--
Claudius Mokler
e-mail mokler@desert.in-berlin.de
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
> dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>
> : Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing
> : on moral free agency. That is, how can a god punish a person for
> : not believing in him when that person is only following his or her
> : nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or
> : her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god?
>
> Dean,
>
> I think you're letting atheist mythology
Great start. I realize immediately that you are not interested
in discussion and are going to thump your babble at me. I would
much prefer an answer from Ms Healy, who seems to have a
reasonable and reasoned approach to things. Say, aren't you the
creationist guy who made a lot of silly statements about
evolution some time ago?
> confuse you on the issue of
> Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of
> Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the
> entire human race and any "punishment" meted out would necessarily
> affect the entire race of which he was the sole representive.All
> humans coming after him would, being of the same race (species), share
> in that judgement. It has nothing to do with who deserves what.
> From the perspective of God, humanity is but one category of created
> things and that category is condemned.
Duh, gee, then we must be talking Christian mythology now. I
was hoping to discuss something with a reasonable, logical
person, but all you seem to have for your side is a repetition
of the same boring mythology I've seen a thousand times before.
I am deleting the rest of your remarks, unless I spot something
that approaches an answer, because they are merely a repetition
of some uninteresting doctrine or other and contain no thought
at all.
[..]
I have to congratulate you, though, Bill. You wouldn't
know a logical argument if it bit you on the balls. Such
a persistent lack of function in the face of repeated
attempts to assist you in learning (which I have seen
in this forum and others in the past) speaks of a talent
that goes well beyond my own, meager abilities. I just don't
seem to have that capacity for ignoring outside influences.
Dean Kaflowitz
| 0alt.atheism |
Dear Netters,
My sister has an Apple 12" Color Display hooked up to an LC.
Problem: There is an annoying, horizontal, ghost-like stripe that
precesses vertically about once per second. It is about 1 cm high.
She is in grave danger of going insane because of it.
Any ideas of what it might be and how I might cure it for her?
-Joe Betts
betts@netcom.com
PS: if I pick up the display (I thought it might be RFI from the LC) it
seems to get worse!
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Y'know, when the right to bear arms was "invented", all we had to worry
about was the shotgun and pistol. Now, we have to worry about drive-bys
with Uzis sparaying the entire neighborhood with bullets.
Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
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| 5comp.windows.x |
dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
>Apparently needing to clarify his comments from Thursday, Dr. Nizam
>Plawaby (spelling?), the Medical Examiner for Tarrant County, Texas,
>who has authority in the Waco deaths, stated that since no autopsies
>had been performed, there is no evidence for bullet wounds, or
>evidence against bullet wounds.
>Janet Reno also stated that she had never been told of bullet wounds
>by anyone in the Justice Department.
On the news from radio station KANU (Lawrence, KS) about 6:15 this Monday
morning, I heard someone with a nasal-sounding voice (supposedly the Waco
coroner?) claim that he had found TWO persons killed with a single shot
to the forehead.
--Myron.
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
I'm interested in building my own PC. Can anyone recommend a
(UK available) book on the subject, and/or sources for parts?
Alternatively, can anyone recommend a source for a 486DX (33MHz)
PC (again UK available). I've just seen in Computer Weekly that
the March '93 price for these has fallen to sterling 1092 (including
os, monitor, keyboard, delivery and VAT), but I can't find a single
advert that would give me a system at that price.
Many thanks for your help.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1qk724INN474@hp-col.col.hp.com> cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes:
>I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like
>you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway),
>there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is
>ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual
>condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal -
>the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but
>there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it
>takes a while).
>
>If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter,
>why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw
>things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC
>on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when
>you "need" it.
>
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me,
your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and
then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your
equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to
switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since,
as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line.
Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you
lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to
replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and
you've got to resync the AC in no time flat.
Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that
AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to
be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already.
Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back
in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they
did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you
it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul
everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there.
.
| 12sci.electronics |
[discussing the use of IRQ 7]
In recent article msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) writes:
>I as a number of poeple in this thread have already written
>(I can't prove it's true, but I believe it), LPT1 does not
>actually use IRQ7, even though that interrupt is supposed to
>be dedicated to LPT1.
To put it a little differently:
- IRQ 7 is the de facto standard interrupt assigned to be used by the
printer adapter to announce its completion of some activity.
- DOS doesn't monitor IRQ 7; it uses other means to determine when it's
time to send out another byte to the printer.
- Most (all?) (hardware) printer adapters have the ability to disable
the use of IRQ 7, usually by merely breaking the connection between
the ISA pin and the associated driver. Other adapters control the
IRQ line by a tri-state driver, and by programming just leave it
in the high-impedence mode.
- Unfortunately, there are a lot of adapter cards which use bistate
drivers (i.e., either assert high or assert low) for the IRQ lines
rather than tristate drivers (assert high, assert low, or don't
assert anything). The presence of such a card on an IRQ line precludes
the use of that IRQ by any other adapter unless it is physically
disconnected by a jumper.
(Incidentally, note that there's no requirement that a card hold
the IRQ line low when no interrupt is desired. If that were true
you would have to somehow tie down all unconnected IRQ lines, and
that certainly isn't a requirement.)
- Non-DOS operating systems (OS/2, NT (?), various Unices or whatever the
proper plural of Unix might be) require the use of IRQ 7 for performance
reasons.
And the SB16, alas, is one of the cards which uses bistate drivers.
Joe Morris / MITRE (jcmorris@mitre.org)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Does XFree86 support any EISA video cards under Dell 2.2?
--
Larry Snyder
larry@gator.rn.com
| 5comp.windows.x |
Sender:
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Followup-To:
Distribution:
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>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here?
Unless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought
to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.
Equestrian counter steering?
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I'm currently having trouble connecting my PB to a true blue (IBM Model
1513) VGA monitor. The display is bearly readable but all the details are
seperated into yellow and red colors. ie. a window will have two images one
in yellow and a ghost image in red. The background is also a little
greenish. I read some time ago, before I ever thought I would hook my mac
up to a VGA screen, about an incompatability with some VGA monitors due to
the sync on green signal. Does this sound like it could be the same demon?
I also read that there are both hardware (putting a diode on the green
signal?) solution and a software solution to this problem. I don't the
details does somebody have them the can e-mail to me or post them? I
checked all the FAQ's for this and didn't find anything about it. Did I
miss it somewhere? This sure seems that it would be a good thing to have
in one. Thanks for any replys.
Charles Kuehmann
Northwestern University
Steel Research Group
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr19.231641.21652@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that
>while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for
>a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse
>(or anywhere in the Qur'an).
There is no notion of heliocentric, or even galacticentric either.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My sole intention was learning to fly."
| 0alt.atheism |
Hi,
Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of
2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts.
They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set.
Thanks in advance,
--
Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee
Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440
2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr23.052741.28429@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes...
>In article <1r6r9s$5ob@network.ucsd.edu>, king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) writes:
>>Which reminds me yet again of a Bucs-Cards game in Whitey Herzog's
>>last year as Cards manager. Karen and I were watching the game on TV,
>>and for some barely explicable reason the camera kept dwelling on The
>>White Rhino himself at his uniform-filling worst. Truly horrible.
Do you remember Game 7 of the 1988 NLCS, after the Dodgers defeated
the Mets, and Ugh-a-dugh foo-boo fat stomach Tom Lasorda came running out
on to the field in celebration? YUCK!!!!!!
He undulated. His arms flew up and down, keeping time with his
rolling set of 9 stomachs, which flew all around the cozy confines of
Chavez Ravine. He oozed, like a white gastropod. He ran. It was a
disgusting sight. Not only couldn't I watch my Mets in the Series, I had
to watch Fat Stomach Lasorda roll around Dodger....
BLARGH!
>>But what made it memorable was what Karen eventually said about this,
>>which was:
>>
>>"I would rather sleep with a jar of Bill Landrum's spit under my pillow
>> than look at Whitey Herzog in one of those uniforms."
"If you like short, fat men, who grunt, curse, and spit a lot,
Whitey's certainly your man" - Former WFAN host Pete Franklin, on The White
Rat ...
But it's true, this emphasis on the appearance of ballplayers in
tight uniforms only works if the player actually has an extraodinary
physique. Looking at Charlie Hough's scrawny torso through those tight
white shirts just sort of makes me decide, "Hmmm, I don't want to eat lunch
today...or tomorrow...or anytime soon...".
When Al Harazin first became Mets' GM, he was asked if he intended
to help redesign the Mets' uniforms and change their image. In particular,
they asked him about the orange and blue racing stripe that runs down the
sides the uniforms. He said that he's very much in favor of keeping them
because "they're sleek and they're sexy".
Sid Fernandez, in a tight-fitting uniform, with a sleek racing
stripe to denote speed and potencty. Mmmmmmmm...lard.
Kevin McReynolds, diving after a fly ball. Mmmmmmmm...Man O' War, baby!
Pat Howell....well, never mind. Nothing could be tight on him.
They don't make uniform sizes *that* small ... :-)
>Adam "Wishes he contribute something more interesting to r.s.b" Levin
Jason A. Miller
"some doctor guy"
Frank Tanana: 1-0, 1.50
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
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