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In article <1r6tscINN5bd@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>In article <21APR199323231675@utkvx.utk.edu> ljones@utkvx.utk.edu (Leslie Jones) writes:
>>
>>A CNN factiod in the last few months stated that 40% of all the computers
>>in the U.S. are left on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't recall
>>CNN's source.
>>
>
> Yeah, but they probably included industries and educational institutions
>that uses mostly work stations (SUNs, DEC, IBM RS600... etc etc) Which turns
>monitor off if left untouched for 5 min.
None of the SUNs, DECs, or RS6000s I've used have turned off the
monitor automatically.
--
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Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate
some net.wisdom.
His question is about some 18-24" diameter balls which are attached to
electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between
two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution.
My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the
inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?.
Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this?
Is there a better group to submit to?
We'd both appreciate some enlightenment.
--
Scott Townsend, Sverdrup Technology Inc. NASA Lewis Research Center Group
fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov
| 12sci.electronics |
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Elias Davidsson writes...
ED> dear pete,
ED>
ED> for one who is so zionist as you, you should at least know your
ED> hebrew, young man.
ED>
ED> The last sentence in your posting should read:
ED>
ED> Medina achat leshnai amim (not Echad medionnot leshtai amim).
ED>
ED> I don't want to address your comments. They speak for themselves.
ED>
ED> best regards from a Palestinian of Jewish origin who talks, reads and writes
ED> Hebrew and does not hate Jews nor anybody else.
ED>
ED> Elias
The above claim that you do not hate anybody may not be quite
true. The falsity of this statement is easily visible in the
intellectual corruption that dominates everything you post in
this group. Your complete lack of objectivity toward Israel,
and Jewish identity in general, reveal biases that indicate a
great steaming heap of hatred!
You certainly have shown a genuine hatred for honesty and for
objectivity. You repeatedly post items or quotes removed from
their original context so that they can be used to further an
agenda of rabid opposition to the very existence of Israel.
You have used this dishonest technique to paint a false image
of several Israeli leaders. I can't say if you actually HATE
these leaders, but the lies and misrepresentations of them do
suggest that you have a visceral prejudice against them.
So, while you claim that you do not hate anybody, there is an
ample body of evidence to suggest that this claim of yours is
false. It is obvious that you hate Israel, and it is evident
that you hate the Jewish people.
And, if you are Jewish, you are a self-hating Jew. There can
be no doubt of this. Although you will call upon your Jewish
background in an effort to claim the high moral ground, there
is no doubt that you would like to see the Jewish people fade
away completely, as a people. Your advocacy of intermarriage
for the purpose of dissolving the Jewish people is proof that
you hate the Jewish people.
And by your effort to superimpose the meaninglessness of your
own Jewishness on all Jews, you've clearly demonstrated to me
that you hate yourself.
* * * *
"Who is a Jew? A person whose integrity decays when unmoved
by the knowledge of wrong done to other people."
A. J. Heschel
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>>But chimps are almost human...
>Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?
Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups
as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.
keith
| 0alt.atheism |
Reading from a Amoco Performance Products data sheet, their
ERL-1906 resin with T40 carbon fiber reinforcement has a compressive
strength of 280,000 psi. It has a density of 0.058 lb/cu in,
therefore the theoretical height for a constant section column
that can just support itself is 4.8 million inches, or 400,000 ft,
or 75 Statute miles.
Now, a real structure will have horizontal bracing (either a truss
type, or guy wires, or both) and will be used below the crush strength.
Let us assume that we will operate at 40% of the theoretical
strength. This gives a working height of 30 miles for a constant
section column.
A constant section column is not the limit on how high you can
build something if you allow a tapering of the cross section
as you go up. For example, let us say you have a 280,000 pound
load to support at the top of the tower (for simplicity in
calculation). This requires 2.5 square inches of column cross
sectional area to support the weight. The mile of structure
below the payload will itself weigh 9,200 lb, so at 1 mile
below the payload, the total load is now 289,200 lb, a 3.3% increase.
The next mile of structure must be 3.3% thicker in cross section
to support the top mile of tower plus the payload. Each mile
of structure must increase in area by the same ratio all the way
to the bottom. We can see from this that there is no theoretical
limit on area, although there will be practical limits based
on how much composites we can afford to by at $40/lb, and how
much load you need to support on the ground (for which you need
a foundation that the bedrock can support.
Let us arbitrarily choose $1 billion as the limit in costruction
cost. With this we can afford perhaps 10,000,000 lb of composites,
assuming our finished structure costs $100/lb. The $40/lb figure
is just for materials cost. Then we have a tower/payload mass
ratio of 35.7:1. At a 3.3% mass ratio per mile, the tower
height becomes 111 miles. This is clearly above the significant
atmosphere. A rocket launched from the top of the tower will still
have to provide orbital velocity, but atmospheric drag and g-losses
will be almost eliminated. G-losses are the component of
rocket thrust in the vertical direction to counter gravity,
but which do not contribute to horizontal orbital velocity. Thus
they represent wasted thrust. Together with drag, rockets starting
from the ground have a 15% velocity penalty to contend with.
This analysis is simplified, in that it does not consider wind
loads. These will require more structural support over the first
15 miles of height. Above that, the air pressure drops to a low
enough value for it not to be a big factor.
Dani Eder
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| 14sci.space |
I am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose
games are regularly broadcast on an FM station. The only one I am
aware of is WYSP in Philadelphia who carries the Eagles' games.
If you respond to me I will summarize for the list.
Bruce Slutsky
slutsky@tesla.njit.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Just as a not of possible interest on this subject ..
It is my understanding that exploding televisions were a major cause of
domestic accidents in the Soviet Union in past years!
| 12sci.electronics |
(Larry L. Overacker) writes:
> Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that
> unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian?
>
> My contention is that if you answer this question with "No. I would
> not then remain a Christian" then you really are not one now.
> ... I follow Christ because it's a great way
> to LIVE life. And I could care less what really happens after
> I die. I believe that there will be a resurrection, but that
> won't have any effect on how I live THIS life. ...
Ouch, this is a good question. To me, not existing is worse
than existing no matter what, so I will modify this question to be:
would I be a Christian if it made no eternal difference in my
reward or punishment? I hope this is in the same spirit you want.
I personally am very goal oriented. It is hard for me to do things
that do not achieve some goal. However, to relate this to sports,
only after I learned to not care about the score did I become
a good basketball player. I had to learn to go all out no matter
the situation. Perhaps this lesson is relevent. After all,
only if I can give up my life can I keep it, only if I am
humble can I achieve glory. Only if I concentrate on living
my life now the best I can will I be afforded life eternal.
I think you have illuminated the true meaning of "saved by faith."
But what is my answer? Right now I would remain a Christian.
However, was that always my answer? That's the problem. Heaven
and hell are good motivators at certain stages of maturity.
And I admit there are certain times when perhaps I bite my
tongue and put up with something in the hope of a better day,
i.e. I mentally trade present happiness for future happiness.
I hope the cynics and skeptics do not read more into that
than appropriate, but I am trying to be honest.
(Scott A Mayo) writes:
> Of course. But it is a pointless question, because you cannot know
> beyond all doubt that hell does not exist, anymore than you can know
> it does, short of taking Jesus's word for it. "What If" questions are
> fun and entertaining, but probably fruitless.
I think these kinds of questions are extremely fruitful. I guess it
depends on how one views knowledge and learning. By stripping
ideas to simple, straightforward, opposing concepts we can
determine levels of importance. By analyzing the theoretically
absurd we can gain a better understanding of the actually absurd.
Chris Mussack
| 15soc.religion.christian |
A few points about Mary's being taken into heaven at the end of her life on
earth:
One piece of evidence for Mary's assumption into heaven is the fact
that no Christian church ever claimed to be the sight where she was
buried. Some Christian churches claimed to be located at the final
resting places of Peter, Mark, and other saints, but no one ever
claimed to possess the body of Mary, the greatest of the saints. Why?
Because everyone knew that she had been taken up into heaven.
Although there is no definitive scriptural proof for the assumption of
Mary, some passages seem suggestive, like the passage in Revelation
that describes a woman giving birth to a Son and later being crowned
in the heavens. Of course, the woman in this passage has other
interpretations; she can also be taken a symbol for the Church.
The assumption of Mary makes sense because of her relationship to
Christ. Jesus, perfect God and perfect man, fulfilled the
requirements of the law perfectly. Under the law God gave to us, we
are to honor our mother and father, and Christ's act of taking his
mother into heaven is part of his fulfillment of that law. Also, he
took his flesh from her, so it seems appropriate that he decide not to
allow her flesh to rot in the grave.
One last point: an ex-Catholic attempted to explain Catholic doctrine
on the assumption by asserting it is connected to a belief that Mary
did not die. This is not a correct summary of what Catholics believe.
The dogma of the assumption was carefully phrased to avoid saying
whether Mary did or did not die. In fact, the consensus among Catholic
theologians seems to be that Mary in fact did die. This would make
sense: Christ died, and his Mother, who waited at the foot of the
cross, would want to share in his death.
Brian Finnerty
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed.
Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector. Does
anyone have one of these alarms? Are they any good? From the looks of it, its
about the best on the market for the price. It's also on sale, so that's
another reason to get it. I think I'll be saving almost $200. Any opinions?
Eric Lucas
| 7rec.autos |
Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
>to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me
>like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people
>who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more.
I'm not sure it is a major limiting move... in the academic circles
I've seen, arguing for increased government intervention and
management is almost always a plus (not the least because it usually
means more high paying jobs for academics as "advisors"). Also
consider that it looks like Denning has some decent NSA / government
connections, which is always a plus for an academic institute that
wants more government funding and work tossed their way.
Despicable, yes; career limiting, well, the publicity probably
outweighs the drawbacks. And there are a whole bunch of people who
think the whole thing is just peachy keen. If it's only going to be
used against drug dealers, child pornographers, and terrorists, well
it must be good. :p
--
Truth is hard to find and harder to obscure.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C4zqEL.E9B@ms.uky.edu> amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
>they way I want it to. However, I have the following problem: My chin hangs
>out from the bottom of the helmet. I am curious to know whether I would still
>have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size? In particular,
>can anyone tell me "for certain", if the outer shell of the "Arai Quantum-S" in
>size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size
>large? Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head
>fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out?
>This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have. Namely, my
>chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all
>from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large). The dealer
>is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but
>I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered
>such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in
>the X-large? If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me
>hear (E-mail) from you ASAP. Thank you so much. Amir-
I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might
want to write to a:
Jay Leno
c/o Tonight Show
Burbank Calif.
Good luck.
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
I read a mesg. somewhere on GENIE about Intel coming out with a
graphics standard called PCI, which would supplant VESA standards. Is
this a rumor, or is there some substance to it. If any of y'all have
heard of this "standard" please e-mail me on how I might obtain more info
Thanks in Advance
vamilliron@othello.ucd.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1r2j7d$6e1@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.041535.7472@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
>|> According to Jerry Mander's _In the Absence of the Sacred_ (good
>|> book, BTW), the Great Binding Law of the Iroquois Confederacy
>|> also played a significant role as a model for the U.S. Constitution.
>|> Furthermore, apparently Marx and Engels were strongly influenced
>|> by a study of Iroquois society, using it as the prime example of
>|> a successful, classless, egalitarian, noncoercive society. Mander
>|> goes on to say that both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. would do well
>|> to study the original document, figure out where each went wrong,
>|> and try to get it right next time.
>
>That's fascinating. I heard that the Chinese, rather than
>the Italians, invented pasta.
That's fascinating. I take it that you're expressing skepticism
at the idea that those ignorant savages could have influenced
the Constitution of the people who stole their continent. You
could be right, but it sounds plausible to me. Is there any
reason that you dismiss it out-of-hand? Here's some more:
Recent scholarship has shown that in the mid-1700s Indians were not
only invited to participate in the deliberations of our "founding
fathers," but that the Great Binding Law of the Iroquois Confederacy
arguably became the single most important model for the 1754 Albany
Plan of Union, and later the Articles of Confederation and the
Constitution. That this would be absent from our school texts,
and from history, and from media is not surprising given the devotion
Americans feel to our founding myth: Great men gathered to express
a new vision that has withstood the test of time. If it were
revealed that Indians had a role in it, imagine the blow to the
American psyche.
...
By 1754, when most of these men and others gathered to creat the
Albany Plan of Union, the first try at confederation, they invited
forty-two members of the Iroquois Grand Council to serve as advisors
on confederate structures. Benjamin Franklin freely acknowledged
his interest in the Iroquois achievement in a famous speech at
Albany Congress: "It would be a strange thing...if six nations
of ignorant savages[sic] should be capable of forming such a union
and be able to execute it in such a manner that it has subsisted
for ages and appears indissoluble, and yet that a like union should
be impractical for ten or a dozen English colonies."
According to Grinde, Franklin convened meetings of Iroquois chiefs
and congressional delegates in order to "hammer out a plan that he
acknowedged to be similar to the Iroquois Confederacy."
Grinde is Professor Donald Grinde,Jr., of the University of California
at Riverside whose book _The Iroquois and the Founding Fathers of the
American Nation_ addresses this issue.
--
Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own.
| 0alt.atheism |
I just started reading the group. I was wondering if someone
could re-post exactly what the Prophetic Warning to NYC was.
Thanks
-jh
[I suggest sending it to him via email with a cc to me. I'll hold
it in my files in case someone else needs it. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1483500368@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
%
%By Elias Davidsson - April 1991 (Revision Oct. 1991)
Note - you are already posting "facts", some of which are outdated.
The biased presentation of facts, as well as the conclusions that
you reach leave me little hope of engaging in any fruitful
exchange that might lead to a "meeting of the minds". It is to those
who read with open mind, that I address myself.
%The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of
%Racial Discrimination adopted by the General Assembly of the
%United Nations in 1965, has now been ratified by most member
%states. Article 1 of this Convention defines the term racial
%discrimination as "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or
%preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic
%origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing
%the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of
%human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic,
%social, cultural or any other field of public life."
While the ideals embodied in this text are worthy goals,
as the text currently stands I know of no country in which
racial discrimination of some sort can not be found.
It makes no mention of the need for for a legislative
violation.
%The General Assembly endorsed in 1975 a resolution defining
%Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination. The
%important, correct and legitimate resolution is incomplete since
%it does not include operative statements designed to end Israeli
%racial discrimination. Meanwhile the United States, on behalf of
%Israel, are exerting heavy pressure on member states of the United
%Nations to repeal this resolution and give Israeli racial
%practices - Zionism - moral legitimacy.
If you are, in principle, advocating UN intervention via operative
statements in this case, it must therefore hold that they can be
applied to any other case where the council perceives some form
of racial discrimination as previously exhibited.
Scarey thought.
%The very definition of Israel as a State belonging to the Jews of
%the world (but not to its inhabitants), alienates all native
%non-Jews born in that country.
Actually, I know quite a few native non-Jews born in Israel that are not
alienated by this law. If you had said some, you would probably be
correct, however your tendency to exagerate and slant facts becomes
apparent. This slant permeates the text.
%Practically all non-Jews who are living in or originate from areas
%under Israeli control, identify themselves as Palestinians. Most
%of them are Muslim, many are Christian. A few Jews, including the
%author of these lines, also identify themselves as Palestinians.
The above statement is not true. Practically all - discounting
Beduins, Circassians, Druze, and some other fringe groups.
Your own identification is a matter that has no bearing upon the
issue. You could equally identify yourself as a [insert group].
%Zionism took off in Europe at the end of last century. It's aim
%was to create a Jewish state in Palestine in spite of the adamant
%opposition of Palestinian Arabs (95% of the population).
If I recall correctly, at the time "zionism" took off, there
was no adamant opposition in Palestine. I am open to any
factual contradictory evidence .
%But the
%Zionists were more powerful, militarily, economically and
%technologically, and succeeded in 1948 in conquering 70% of the
%area of Mandatory Palestine. After driving into exile most native
%Arabs from the conquered areas, approximately 750,000 people, and
%razing most of their villages to the ground, the Zionists could
%finally establish a predominantly Jewish State. Only 150,000
%non-Jews remained on Israeli territory.
Do you therefore contend that the 400 villages you mention further on "most
of their villages"?
%Once the Jewish State was established, it began enacting laws to
%help the confiscation of land from native non-Jews, their
%political repression and their destitution.
There is no doubt that laws passed provided a framework which was later
used for these purposes. However, you seem to imply that this was the
intention a priori, which implies a policy and agenda. My knowledge was
that this was not the case.
You also neglect to mention the circumstances that surrounded
this. As you do again, below.
%In 1967 the State of Israel invaded Egypt and Syria and occupied
%the rest of Palestine (the West Bank and the Gaza strip). Thus
%another 1.5 million Palestinians fell under its juridiction. Its
%occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories is considered
%illegal by the international community, as reflected in Security
%Council resolutions. Israel has rejected all U.N. resolutions and
%began without delay to entrench its occupation and rule over these
%territories with the aim of annexing them at the appropriate time.
Not quite accurate. Israel has not rejected all the resolutions,
though it has conflicting understanding with regards to some of them.
Israel never annexed the Sinai, West Bank, or Gaza. The other
annexations were brought about partly due to the UN resolutions.
%Part of these territores, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights,
%have already been forcefully annexed by Israel, in defiance of
%international law and UN resolutions.
Out of curiousity, provided that the annexees are granted citizenship,
what int'l law do you claim prohibits annexation of territories
captured in war? Has this ever been applied to any other country
previously (other than Iraq) ?
%It must be emphasized that, although these people live under
%different regimes, they are united in their self-perception as
%Palestinians, that is as people identifying with Palestine, a
%territorial entity (not an ethnic or religious entity).
Incorrect! Palestinians themselves claim to be discriminated against
on an "ethnic or racial" basis. Therefore your above statement is
incorrect.
I also note that given the previous definition of racial discrimination,
the only means that you could argue for that is nationalistically.
However, no such nation has existed. It definitely did not exist
at the time of the creation of Israel, in which case you can not
argue racial discrimination during that period!
%Furthermore Palestinians generally consider the PLO both as a
%symbol of national identity and as the unchallenged authority that
%represents them in world affairs.
Once again, some do, some don't.
%The non-Jewish population living in the Palestinian and other Arab
%territories occupied by Israel in 1967 suffers not only blatant
%discrimination but is subject to brutal military occupation.
Another generalization, but then again, you don't seem to care
about anyone other than the Palestinian people, whose cause you
espouse.
%licence, to start a business and to buy industrial equipment, the
%right to educate children, all of these basic rights are subject
%to arbitrary rulings by military authorities and cannot be
%challenged in court.
Incorrect once again. They have the ability to appeal.
Furthermore, although you may not agree with them, not all
of the military rulings are senseless or arbitrary. Some
are, but this is not due to the "whims" of the military as
much as the sizeof the task/organization.
%Only Jewish inhabitants of the occupied
%territories are permitted to carry firearms.
Incorrect once again. I know two Arab policemen who lived in
Daheisha and there were more. Of course, with the outbreak of
the intifada they were forced by the locals to resign, bitterly.
%Jewish settlers have
%right to 6-7 more water per person than non-Jews. Jewish residents
%of these territories number now about 100,000 people. It is Israel
%governmentUs policy to increase this number substantially, in
%total defiance of international law, UN resolutions and the will
%of the population. The State of Israel systematically confiscates
%land from non-Jewish inhabitants of these territories for Jewish
%settlement.
That is no longer true, and I can't help but wonder what your
purpose is/was in posting this.
%Some 800,000 people in Israel proper,are not Jews. Most of them
%consider themselves Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. For
%many years after the establishment of Israel they were subjected
%to harsh military control. Much of their land was confiscated by
%the State and handed to Jewish organisations for exclusive Jewish
%settlement. They have been subject to massacres, destitution and
%humiliation. While they enjoy, with Jewish Israelis, the right to
%vote, they are discriminated against both through law and in
%practice.
Once again, to hell with the other minorities that don't fit in,
right? Their are many villages who did not suffer in the way
you seem to indicate, Abu Gosh comes to mind. Yes, some did but
as a result of what actions?
%Approximately 92% of the surface of the State of Israel within the
%Rgreen lineS is for all purposes closed to Palestinians who are
%second-class citizens in Israel. They may neither legally live on
%such land, nor rent or cultivate it. A direct effect of these
%policies is that native non-Jewish citizens of Israel are denied
%residence and membership rights in most rural communities in
%Israel, including the collective settlements, kibbutzim. Non-Jews
%are discriminated against in many other ways: The Government
%starves local authorities of Palestinian villages and townships of
%funds; Jewish city councils force Palestinians to live in ghettos;
%Jewish families receive higher child allocations than their
%non-Jewish neighbors, Palestinian schools suffer underfunding and
%understaffing (as compared to Jewish schools); Palestinian
%children are denied the right to learn their history and
%literature; Israelis who struggle for equal rights and for the end
%of racial discrimination, suffer continuous harassment by the
%authorities.
1. There are some kibbutzim with Arab/Non-Jewish members.
It is up to the members of the kibbutz. There is no
legislation against it, nor against a purely non-Jewish
collective.
2. Funds are the result of political lobbying. Bearing in mind
that non_Jews compose ~20% of the voting population, it has
never failed to amaze me that they fail to form one large
bloc, and increase their power. The recent elections are a case
in point.
3. Please provide factual evidence supporting your allegation
with regard to educational material. You have obviously
never seen the curriculum of a school in the West Bank.
It is based upon Jordan's school system.
4. With regard to your last statement, it is simply another
gross generalization.
%The State of Israel refuses to acknowledge itself as the State of
%all its inhabitants. Although the Israeli Cabinet has never
%openly endorsed the 'transfer' idea (the forced removal from the
%country of its native Palestinian population, that is, its
%ultimate Judaization), Israeli government policies towards
%non-Jews bear the mark of this 'Final Solution'. No attempt is
%made by the Zionist authorities to integrate Palestinian Arabs
%into Israeli public life. Thus, although comprising approximately
%17% of the population of Israeli citizens, no Palestinian citizen
%of Israel has ever served as Cabinet member, as director of
%ministry or of a national institution, as judge of the Supreme
%Court, as ambassador of Israel, or in any leading position in
%Israeli economic or financial life. Even the director of the
%Ministry for Arab Affairs - yes, such a thing exists! - is a Jew.
Another generalization, but lets not stop here.
The transfer idea was espoused by one party in the last gov't,
Moledet. It was intended to be a solution to the problem in the
territories, not the country itself. With regard to other items,
I recall at least one Arab ambassador, and the rest was covered
previously.
%Although sexual
%relations between and cohabitation of Jews and non-Jews are legal,
%they are considered by Israeli/Zionist society somewhat a betrayal
%of the Jewish and Zionist ethics. The Israeli educational system
%nurtures this attitude in a systematic way.
When was the last time you were in Israel? That is simply not true,
nor has it been for quite some time. The question of religious
intervention is best answered by the proportional representation and
the lack of any Arab party bloc to counter the orthodox one.
%Zionism rejects the idea of a modern secular state, based on
%equality of all citizens. This is one main reason why Israel has
%not produced any written Constitution.
Simply incorrect.
The answer is political. Once again, your failure to understand the
dynamics and movements inside Israeli gov't, relegates your
contentions to the sidelines.
%Zionism predicates a state
%where Jews have privileged rights. Thus, according to Israeli law,
%a Jew born in London, who has never visited Israel, does not speak
%Hebrew and professes atheism, is granted automatic Israeli
%citizenship, while native Palestinian inhabitants who happen to be
%Christian or Muslim, are treated almost as aliens. Racial
%discrimination, as defined in international law, is thus not only
%reflected in Israeli laws and policies, but is grounded in the
%very nature of Israel as a Jewish state.
But the discrimination is not based upon race.
Oops, sorry, nasty habit I have of countering malicious false truths.
%Any proposal for Israeli-Arab and Israeli-Palestinian peace that
%does not address the issue of racial discrimination by Israel -
%that is the Zionist nature of the State of Israel - is thus doomed
%to fail.
Real world intrusion - any proposal that does is doomed to fail.
Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand, wrapped up as
you are in your VIEW of things. Let's not let anything penetrate
shall we!?! I may be a bit too sarcastic but there is a limit to the
amount of patience I have for rubbish at 02:00.
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
db@sunbim.be (Danny Backx) writes:
>Yes, that is a bug in the X11r5 port of xterm. You sometimes get this when
>you start from XDM. I have reported this to Casper but don't know whether
>it made it into his set of patches yet.
>Basically in mit/clients/xterm/main.c, there is a test at line 1598 which
>checks errno after attempting to open /dev/tty. Add the "errno == EINVAL"
>case to it and you should be fine.
It's actually a bug in the Solaris 2.1 kernel. We could add a workaround to
xterm. open should never return EINVAL, but it does :-(
I didn't have time to update the R5.SunOS5 patch lately, but non
of the existing problems seem to warrant a new set of patches.
>Since .xsession is a Bourne shell script anyway, you might as well add a line
> . /etc/TIMEZONE
>as it is done in /etc/profile.
XDM coulda also keep the XDM environment variable. It should have inherited
it from the environment.
Casper
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes:
>The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The
>US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places.
>
>How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps
>(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision).
This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than
UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one
of them shorts.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 12sci.electronics |
Post all you want, foreigner. We'd rather hear from you
than those "I'll support the fascist who writes the
hecks for my salary" .edu site types!
Should you expect the Police to come in and
assault you, lay siege and refuse to help when they
(yes, let's give them the benefit of the doubt)
accidently burn down your ranch home? Even though
ey have emergency vehicles nearby?
Is this a proper response when you just keep to yourself?
Even if you DON'T hurt anyone? And you
're cooperative with cops when you occasionally come out?
I hope not.
-watkins@earth.eecs.uic.edu
.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <C5JpL7.5Cz@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes...
>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty
>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock
>|>>set in.
>|>
>|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the
>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and
>|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted
>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)
>
>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question.
>The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914
>and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has
>considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body.
>
Just how much power does the House of Lords have now?
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| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr5.192833.19102@cbnews.cb.att.com>
jbr0@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.a.brownlee) writes:
> Could someone post a *definitive* answer about the VRAM configuration
> for the
> Q800 (and presumably the C610 and C650 as well). There seems to be a
> lot of
> confusion about this issue. I'd like to know:
>
> . What kind of SIMMs are the VRAM SIMMs (i.e. 30-pin, etc.)?
There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which
come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with
differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are
organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is
the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use.
> . How many VRAM SIMM slots are there?
Two.
> . What rules (if any) must be followed in filling the slots (e.g in
> pairs, sizes must match, etc.)?
Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does
nothing for you.
> . How fast must they be?
80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610.
> . Is there any other relevant information?
There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible
with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you
get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950,
it will work in a Q800.
> Please don't reply unless you have the *correct* information. Many
> thanks in
> advance for helping to eliminate some noise from this group.
Trust me. ;-)
- Dale Adams
Apple Computer, Inc.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
> In article <kmr4.1587.734911207@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
>
> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
Did you forget that two spinning skaters are in orbit around each other?
| 0alt.atheism |
There is a cartridge capping upgrade for older deskjet printers
available from hewlett-packard. Older original deskjet and
possibly deskjet 500 units may have a black plastic slide with
rubber capping components in the cartrige parking area on the right
side (viewed from front) of the printer. Newer printers have a
gray or white plastic slide. The black plastic slide can allow
your cartridge to dry out. There was and may still be information
packaged with ink cartridges explaining the situation. HP placed a
coupon for a free upgrade kit to modernize old deskjets to the new
capping mechanism. I did this on my printer and did indeed find
that the cartidges now last longer.
I don't have the information handy. I suggest contacting your
nearest HP service center for information on obtaining the kit.
HP has upgrade kits that consist of electronics and mechanical
components that vary depending on the starting level printer and
the level to which you wish to upgrade. I upgraded my original
desket to a dekjet 500. The kit was fairly expensive. You are
likely better off selling your old printer and purchasing a new
deskjet 500 now that prices have declined so much. Upgrading an
original deskjet to 500 requires a fair amount of skill, but no
soldering. Upgrading a deskjet plus to a 500 is involves swapping
the processor card and changing a few minor parts. Contact your HP
service center for further information.
The PCL language used by Deskjets is considerably different from
the PCL used by laser printers, especially the newer laser
printers. The biggest problem is dumb laser drivers that send a
raster end command after each scan line. This makes no material
difference for lasers, but causes the deskjet to print the
accumulated raster. As you might guess, the result is hideously
slow printing. The new DOS Wordperfect print deskjet drivers are
still guilty of this particular behavior. From the way Wordperfect
works, this would not be easy to change. Windows Wordperfect works
efficiently unless you use the DOS drivers instead of Windows'.
The PCL4 dialect used in the Laserjet IIIP allows compression that
permits a full page 300 dpi image to be rendered with only one
megabyte of memory. An uncompressed image could be as large as
about 909 Kbytes, but the printer needs about 300K of memory for
its internal house-keeping. Laserjet IV models support banded
printing that allows incrmental download of the image with
compression in limited memory situations. Deskjet downloadable
fonts are not compatible with laserjet fonts.
A single page from a laserjet only requires about 20 seconds. This
is faster than any but the most trivial printing from a deskjet
printer. The presumption, of course, being that the laser printer
has completed its warm-up cyle.
Until ink chemistry is changed, wicking resulting in image
deterioration is unavoidable. I won't use the word impossible, but
matching laser quality output from a deskjet printer is unlikely.
Chosing an appropriate paper type helps, but does not eliminate the
problem.
Laser printers are more wastful of energy and consumable
components. HP does accept return of spent toner cartridges,
mitigating the material waste problem to a degree. Energy waste
could use more work. Warm-up times have decreased, allowing
stand-by current consumption to be significantly reduced in the
laserjet IV.
Kyocera produces a laser print engine that employs an amorphous
silicon imaging drum with a replacable toner system. The image
drum is good for approximately 100K copies. It is a very nice
print engine. I wish HP used the Kyocera engine. Kyocera also has
a neat modular paper source and stacker system.
The recommended duty cycle for a deskjet is significantly lower
than any of HP's laser printers. The pick-up pressure rollers are
subject to wear and I case confirm eventually do wear out. The
usual symptom is that the printer becomes reluctant to feed paper.
The paper feed is integrated in a transport mechanism that is a
single part from HP service. Replacement cost for the transport is
almost $200. The feed rollers are not separately replacable,
though it would not be a difficult job for a competent technician.
I have disassembled and reassembled the transport on my own printer.
It depends upon the application which printer is best for you. If
you only print 5 or 10 pages a day and are satisfied with the
appearance of output, the deskjet is a very good choice. As noted,
the deskjet 500 is my choice for personal use.
--
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
| 12sci.electronics |
I am considering making a reasonably large application for free
distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm
bewildered by the huge number of "standards" that "open systems" has
created.
I've lived in a fairly tookit-sheltered environment. Most of the tools
here were produced with the Athena Widget set, or X Intrinsics or Xw
(??).
In my humble opinion, they look like crap. I don't know, however, if
this is a characteristic of the tookits, or just poor aestetic taste
in the programmers.
I would like my app to look a little more "sculptured" like mwm. I
understand, however, that mwm isn't free like the other tookits.
I am getting Linux, so I will have InterViews, but I don't know how it
will look. I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't
know what it looks like either.
If you can help explain this toolkit mess to me, I would be much
obliged. Which are free? Which are the best? Which are portable? Which
looks nice? Which is not a resource hog?
Also, if you happen to know which are available on Linux and/or Sun,
that would be a big help too.
Thanks in advance.
| 5comp.windows.x |
Bo Bilinsky?
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>>Aside from the fact that i disagree w/ you, she did offer to resign and the
>>president rejected the offer. She was willing to take responsibility, and
>>the president has the balls enough to stand by a decision.
>
>
> Or the contempt to ignore it.
Yup, that was quite contemptuous of the President to make a decision that
12% disagree with...
--Tim Smith
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <30187@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
[ deleted ]
>What is the fact of evolution? There is a difference between calling evolution
>a fact and talking about the theory of evolution providing facts (I happen to
>think the latter is more accurate).
[ deleted ]
Evolution is both fact and theory. The THEORY of evolution represents the
scientific attempt to explain the FACT of evolution. The theory of evolution
does not provide facts; it explains facts. It can be safely assumed that ALL
scientific theories neither provide nor become facts but rather EXPLAIN facts.
I recommend that you do some appropriate reading in general science. A good
starting point with regard to evolution for the layman would be "Evolution as
Fact and Theory" in "Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes" [pp 253-262] by Stephen Jay
Gould. There is a great deal of other useful information in this publication.
UUCP: uunet!tektronix!sail!mikec or M.Cranford
uunet!tektronix!sail.labs.tek.com!mikec Principal Troll
ARPA: mikec%sail.LABS.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET Resident Skeptic
CSNet: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM TekLabs, Tektronix
| 19talk.religion.misc |
I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about
fighting my ticket.
Many of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your
case in court. Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge
about the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost
because the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness.
Several of you suggested that I obtain a book called "Fight Your Ticket".
The general theme from those who said "go for it", was to be prepared.
I should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene,
transcribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may
have been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and/or the judge,
and to be positive and assertive. I am innocent until proven guilty! <gulp>
A few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might
trip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day
off or if he feels/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you.
One individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he
says I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding.
Another says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun.
Lots of good suggestions and ideas from you all. I'll let you know what
happens after the big day!
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| | Oakland Bay TRACON | |
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
Hi all,
Could anybody please tell me where I might be able to find device drivers
for a couple of older Gateway ethernet cards? I don't have the model number
off hand, but they have only a BNC connector, and a header connector for
a Novell keycard (one has one installed).
I'm looking at using these with a 2 node copy of 10-net that I picked up
at a swap meet. (I'd love to do Lantastic or Netware lite, but I'm a poor
college student and the price was right.)
Please reply via email, as I haven't had a lot of time for news because
of exams and such.
Mike Gordon N9LOI mwgordon@nyx.cs.du.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:19:59 GMT, pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) said:
Phil> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said:
>Pat> In article <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu> Pat>
>nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Question is can someone give me 10
>examples of direct NASA/Space related >research that helped humanity
>in general? It will be interesting to see..
>Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech Pat>
>Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire.
>Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you've reaped the benefits.
Phil> Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think
Phil> the germans did some work on these in WWII.
The NACA came up with them before World War II. NASA is directly
descended from the NACA, with space added in.
You'll notice that I didn't mention sweep wings even though the
X-5, tested at what's now Dryden, had them. We did steal that one
dirctly from the Germans. The difference is that swept wings don't
change their angle of sweep, sweep wings do. Perhaps the similarity
of names has caused some confusion? 747s have swept wings, F-111s
have sweep wings.
>Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing.
Phil> A lot of this was also done by the military...
After NASA aerodynamicists proposed them and NASA test teams
demonstrated them. Richard Whitcomb and R.T. Jones, at Langley
Research Center, were giants in the field.
Dryden was involved in the flight testing of winglets and area
ruling (in the 70s and 50s, respectively). It's true that we
used military aircraft as the testbeds (KC-135 and YF-102) but
that had more to do with availability and need than with military
involvement. The YF-102 was completely ours and the KC-135 was
bailed to us. The Air Force, of course, was interested in our
results and supportive of our efforts.
Dryden flew the first digital fly by wire aircraft in the 70s. No
mechnaical or analog backup, to show you how confident we were.
General Dynamics decided to make the F-16 flyby-wire when they saw how
successful we were. (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both
fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.)
Phil> Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer!
The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using
them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other
hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance
to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base
can't do.
--
Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
"A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot
| 14sci.space |
In article 11779@geneva.rutgers.edu, jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>In article <Apr.24.01.09.13.1993.4257@geneva.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>None of the states currently recognize same-sex marriages, but I know
>several couples whose "marriages" are more stable and loving and
>long-lasting than most of my legally married friends and relatives.
>(This drives one friend's family crazy. His brothers have been
>divorced twice, both his parents are divorced, and *he* - the "filthy
>gay" - has been "married" to his partner for 20 years.)
>
Just because those "marriages" are more stable and loving and long-lasting,
doesn't make it right. Same-sex partners could have been best friends,
without getting sexually involved with each other.
|-------------------|
| Gary Chin |
| Staff Engineer |
| Sun Microsystems |
| Mt. View, CA |
| gchin@Eng.Sun.Com |
|-------------------|
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Hi,
I have a friend who is working on 2-d and 3-d object recognition. He is looking
for references describing algorithms on the following subject areas:
Thresholding
Edge Segmentation
Marr-Hildreth
Sobel Operator
Chain Codes
Thinning - Skeletonising
If anybody is willing to post an algorithm that they have implemented which demonstrates
any of the above topics, it would be much appreciated.
Please post all replies to my e-mail address. If requested I will post a summary to the
newsgroup in a couple of weeks.
Thanks in advance for all replies
James
eb192@city.ac.uk
| 1comp.graphics |
mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
>> In <930415.112243.8v6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk
>> (mathew) writes:
>> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.
>>
>> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>> Bullshit.
>Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say:
>Go ahead, punk, make my day. My degree can beat up your degree.
OK, refer us to the place in Einstein's (or Bohr's) writings where
he said 'there's no objective physics.'
>>>There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that.
>>
>> Speaking as one who has taken LSD, I say:
>> Bullshit.
>Well, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on that one, but I think I
>detect a pattern in your responses. How about some actual support for your
>dismissals?
You take LSD, and it skews your perception of reality. You come down,
and your perceptions unskew.
>>>> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term
>>>> "objective", if anything.
>>
>>>I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive
>>>towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't
>>>actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and
>>>not be too far wrong.
>>
>> How could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful, if the ideal
>> had no objective existence?
>Wow! An actual point!
>A perfectly efficient power station would convert all of the energy in coal
>into electricity. There is absolutely no way we can build a perfect power
>station; it's an ideal. But striving towards that ideal is undeniably useful
>and valuable, is it not?
OK, let me narrow the question. Is it useful to strive toward a
(nonexistent) objective ethics? In what way?
>mathew
--
Mark Pundurs
any resemblance between my opinions and those
of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|hello there
|ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|comment on its handling .
Depends on in what context you want it commented on. It handles great
compared to some bikes, not so good compared to others. What would you like
it compared to? (Yes, I've put a few miles on one, although I've never owned
one).
Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <1qflpk$re1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael B.
Comet) wrote:
>
>
> In a previous article, trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) says:
>
> >There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called
> >IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its
> >
> Well....I don't know about its competing with 3D studio, but
> it's pretty powerful allright.
Yes but a key issue is _SPEED_ how fast is Imagine? And is it as easy to
use
as 3D Studio? Can it just do a render as fast as 3DS if you don't want
things like IOR etc.. 3DS can do fine shadows, animated reflection maps,
animated bump maps, animated anything maps, and with the IPAS routines
(Not that I've ever seen them) It can do explosions, top quality
morphing, fire, rain, lens flares etc..
I'm not knocking imagine, I just want to know how it compares with 3DS
| 1comp.graphics |
I just got caller-id (except Bell calls it "call display" and didn't know
what I was talking about when I asked for "caller-id"). I got the
cheapest display box I could find, and hope to convert it to serial out.
The chip used is an 18-pin DIP marked "CDT 14-285" and "1473 9220".
I presume the 9220 is the date.
I'm hoping somebody out there knows something about this chip, to save
me a very strange few hours hooked up to a scope, asking my friends to
call me again and again.
I'll post any interesting replies, and my experiences.
-simon tooke
simon@sco.com
| 12sci.electronics |
In article Dxp@lut.fi, jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen) writes:
>kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes:
>
>>As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while
>>here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....
>>--
>
>Many cars sold here in Finland are *small* and *cheap* cars (at least when
>compared to other cars --- note that we have over 120 % car tax).
>
>And you couldn't expect a good auto mated to a 1.3 L engine?
>
>Most of the bigger cars are, however, sold with autos.
>
I would guess the high price of gas in Europe (compared to the US) has
always favoured 4-cylinder manuals.
small engines with autos are a real bore...
But why not turn the question around, why are automatics so common in
the US?
My guess is that when they tried to couple manuals to the torque-rich
V8's in the sixties the clutches turned out as real killers you had to
use both feet to depress, and that this has just lived on.
And also, an automatic with a V8 engine can be real fun to drive.
Markus
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| 7rec.autos |
You might want to get a disposible flash camera, shoot the roll of film,
then take it apart (they're snapped together). We used a bunch of them
at my wedding, but instead of sending the whole camera in, I just took
the film out (it's a standard 35mm canister), and kept the batteries
(they use one AA battery). Sorry, I didn't keep any of the flash electronics.
Charlie Brett - Ft. Collins, CO
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world
>with falsehood. A world in which it were possible to say "yes, I am
>holding a Jew" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit
>down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives
>you present. Obviously, this is not possible, and the best alternative seems
>to be to lie. That's because other values are involved, such as life.
>Now that IS just my opinion - don't confuse the claim 'objective morality
>exists' with the claim 'I have a lock on morals'.
So then, it is not objectively better to tell the truth. There are
some subjective situations within which, it is better to lie.
I agree that it is my subjective opinion that a world without SS
troops and the like would be better. It is also when using certain systems
to judge the situations, such as unitarianism, that it is objectively better.
---
Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
| 0alt.atheism |
Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch (kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <34592@oasys.dt.navy.mil> odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'farmer
: by the'Dell) writes:
: >I am not quite sure of the reasons, but the old man was certainly
: >not "enraptured" by ole Harry.
: But maybe his wife was :-)
: I don't claim to know whether it's true or not, but a couple different
: people (totally unrelated) have said Harry was 'relieved' of his duties
: because he had more than platonic relations with Augie Busch's wife.
: Judgement is left to the individual, cuz I sure don't claim to be an
: impeachable source in this case.
Among those who have said it (well, not quite SAID it but certainly
alluded to it) is Bing Devine, Redbird GM or some other administrator at
the time. I heard Bing speak about it at last year's SABR National.
BTW, have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this year's
SABR National in San Diego? I'll be there...
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be
traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
(Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes:
Romans 10:16-17 "But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For
Isaiah says, 'Lord, who has believed our message?' Consequently, faith
comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word
of Christ."
So then we receive God's gift of faith to us as we hear the message of the
gospel. Faith is a possible response to hearing God's word preached. Kids
are not yet spiritually, intellectually, or emotionally mature enough to
respond to God's word. Hence they cannot have faith and therefore cannot
be raised in baptism to a new life.
Catholics view the effects of Baptism slightly differently, and that's
one primary reason why they baptize babies. They believe that Baptism
produces a change in the soul of the baby, quite independently of any
volitional act on the part of the baby. This change in the baby's
soul gives the infant certain capabilities that he would not have
without Baptism. Since the infant does not have the use of his
intellect and will yet, these new faculties are dormant. But as the
child gets older, the gifts of Baptism come more and more into play.
Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins will die. The son will not share the
guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."
If you read all of Ezekiel 18, you will see that God doesn't hold us guilty
for anyone else's sins. So we can have no original guilt from Adam.
Adam was given a number of gifts by God. The chief among them was
what Catholics call "sanctifying grace". (In the New Testament, the
word used for this is "charity".) By his sin, Adam lost this grace.
He didn't lose it just for himself, however, he lost it for the whole
human race. Because once he lost it, he couldn't pass it on to his
descendents.
That's why Catholics baptize babies. Through his Original Sin, Adam
lost sanctifying grace for all his descendents. Christ instituted
Baptism to give it back to everyone.
Babies are not being punished for anything they personally did; they
are simply lacking in something they need, in order to enter Heaven.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun) writes:
: >I have a SoundBlaster board in a 486-SX PC, and I have it
: >jumpered to IRQ 7, port 220h. Will this conflict with my
: >parallel port? I just have an IDE controller, a multi-IO board
: >with 2ser, 1Par port and a VGA board. Should I choose
: >another IRQ besides 7? Or is IRQ 7 safe to use on 486 Motherboards?
: Recently I was adding a modem to my computer, and I noticed that LPT1 uses
: IRQ-7 and so does my SB card (220h). I've never had a problem, but I'm
: just wondering why not. I thought this would cause a conflict.
I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain
why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so.
Thanks
--
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Tom Huot
huot@cray.com
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
There was an article in Business week not more the 4 weeks ago
on this very subject. IN fact the Volvo 850 was one of the cars
they laid out an example for.
--
Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow
Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are
Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be.
| 7rec.autos |
tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes:
>In article <C5IF8u.3Ky@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos
>Tamamidis ) writes:
>
>> >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met
>> >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my
>> >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks)
>>
>> Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help.
>Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks
>who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to
>believe for somebody trying to be objective.
Well, if you put things into historical perspective, the Turks
moved into an area, which was inhabited by Greeks. This is how the history
between the two nations started some centuries ago. Since then, it has been
a continuous battle between the two nations. From my perspective I can't see
why I should say that Greeks have been responsible for what has happened
between the two nations. Of course, it would not be reasonable to argue that
the hostility should drag till we kick the Turks out of this area. This isn't
going to happen, so the best would be to improve the relations between the two
countries. A golden oportunity exists with Cyprus. If things can't work
there, there isn't any possible way that could work between our nations.
>When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot
>blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides.
>What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway?
>Do you think it was your right to be there?
I always avoid to discuss such things. I consider it a waist of my time.
Besides, as I said, I do not want to open a new flame.
>I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only
>not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering.
>It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise.
>I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the
>visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it
>was a positive attempt to make the relations better.
I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists.
I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece
in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this
means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many
Greeks would bother to visit Turkey?
>The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated
>people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person
>because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is
>not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals
>why the hatred?
Come on. Do not extrapolate from your limited personal experience. You err
if you think you'd get a reasonable conclusion.
>Tankut Atan
>tankut@iastate.edu
Panos Tamamidis
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr20.104310.22861@tdb.uu.se> Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se writes:
>Shawn FitzGerald (chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:
>: Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup
>: unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since
>: we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor
>: connected all the time.
>
>I've seen a control panel made for this. I don't remember the name, where I
>saw it, or on what Quadra models it will work. But I do know it exists :)
>
>/Mats
>
>--
>Mats Bredell Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
>Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC) Ph: +46 18 187817
>Department of medical systems Fax: +46 18 187825
>Sweden Think straight - be gay!
I will poke around in the U of M archives and see if I find something. If
anyone else finds this, please post the location! :-)
--
Horsefeathers?
Shawn FitzGerald UMCC (U of M Computing Club) Michigan
chungkuo@umcc.umich.edu "Whether you are quiet and alive, or
quiet and dead makes no difference to Cerebus."
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5Jxru.2t8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning?
>COuldn't that be wrong?
>
Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the
existence of any god. Don't fall into the "atheists don't believe
because of their pride" mistake.
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They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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| 0alt.atheism |
Hi,
I am about to write an application in X/Motif that will require the
embedding of a pseudo tty. So, before I re-invent the wheel, has anyone
written/gotten a motif widget that does the job ? Otherwise, I would
appreciate any pointers to make such a beast.
My environment is X11R4/Motif 1.1 and X11R5/Motif 1.2 (if this helps).
Thanks in advance.
Arthur Lim
Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <Apr.20.03.01.44.1993.3772@geneva.rutgers.edu>, s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) writes...
>I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989.
>church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools,
There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a
Polish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in
public schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion
class could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute.
larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <C5svp3.FJA@ra.nrl.navy.mil> klinker@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Klinker) writes:
>In article <93110.115219IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>>In article <C5sMzy.BDE@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, klinker@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Klinker)
>>says:
>>>
>>>
>>>DJ was a popular player in San Diego, Derek Bell was not faring well in the
>>>clubhouse at Toronto, so no matter how bad he looks now I still think it
>>>was a steal for the Jays just from the perspective of team chemistry.
>>>
>> I laugh at you now, and I will laugh at you again, equally publicly,
>>when the Jays finish third due to the severe depletion of their talent.
>
>The Jays will finish third because of the depletion of their pitching staff,
>NOT because Derek Bell was traded for Darrin Jakson.
I couldn't agree more. The Jays have a lot of power in their line-up.
So far pitching has been the biggest problem. Maybe we can get Acker back? :-)
>But anyway the point of my post, if you missed it, was that Derek Bell was
>traded because he was basically in the doghouse with Cito and the rest of
>the team.
One incident that sticks out in my mind was when Derek Bell ran back out on
to the feild after the Jays had won the division and all the players were
back in the clubhouse. Bell ran around the field with his arms in the air,
waving a big towel over his head. He looked like a big jerk, especially
when you consider he did not contribute much to the team over the whole
season. The next day, Winfield and Carter somehow got the keys to Bell's
Jeep and brought it out on to the feild before the game started. The stadium
announcer said that there was going to be a draw later in the game for Bell's
jeep. Bell really freaked out. I don't think Bell was to popular after that.
I think that Jackson might be trying a little too hard right now. He's known
for being a great outfielder, and he's not the only Blue Jay who has been
booting balls and playing generally awful.
andrew
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1r8pc7$sa5@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu
(David Vergolini) writes:
> Ok, Buffalo fans. I am a Red Wings fan, but am amazed at how the
Sabres are
> beating up on the Bruins. Is there any reason for this? Is it Grant
Fuhr or
> Mogilny and Lafontaine? I would like to hear from you since I do not
know much
> about the Sabres.
>
Two words: Grant Fuhr.
--
Tom Gwitt gwittt@alleg.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the
>coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage
>of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting
>back to the puck.
>
>Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss
>Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up
>at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers." (This
>is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:)
>
>Mom.
I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show
the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in
on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned
back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more
experienced.
Joseph Stiehm
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C65FIE.4ty@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
writes in response to Michael Adams post:
>>I vote for a later on sci.space.medicine or similar newsgroup fro the
>>discussion of long term missions into space and there affects on humans and
>>such..- Adams
>
>Why bother with a new newsgroup? If you want to discuss the subject,
>*start discussing it*. If there is enough traffic to annoy the rest of
>us, we will let you know... and *then* it will be time for a new newsgroup.
Well, here goes.
The first item of business is to establish the importance space life
sciences in the whole of scheme of humankind. I mean compared
to football and baseball, the average joe schmoe doesn't seem interested
or even curious about spaceflight. I think that this forum can
make a major change in that lack of insight and education.
All of us, in our own way, can contribute to a comprehensive document
which can be released to the general public around the world. The
document would scientifically analyze the technical aspects of long
term human habitation in space.
I believe that if any long-term space exploration program is to
succeed we need to basically learn how to engineer our own microworld
(i.e. the spacecraft). Only through the careful analyses of engineering,
chemical, biological, and medical factors will a good ecosystem be created
to facilitate human life on a long-duration flight.
So, I would like to see posts of opinions regarding the most objective
methods to analyze the accepted scientific literature for technologies
which can be applied to long-duration spaceflight. Such a detailed
literature search would be of interest to ourselves as space advocates
and clearly important to existing space programs.
In essence, we would be dividing the space life science issues into
various technical problems which could be solved with various technologies.
This database of acceptable solutions to various problems could form the
basis of detailed discussions involving people from the bionet, isunet,
and any other source!
I'm eager to hear your comments and see posts on this thread.
| 14sci.space |
What's the best way to archive GIF's? I zip them and they only shrink 1%. I
have most compression programs except stacker which I heard was good for GIF's.
Thanx
-Brando
PS please E-mail me, I don't get down this far on the news usually
| 1comp.graphics |
In <trevorC6Cz03.x2@netcom.com> trevor@netcom.com (Sandy Santra) writes:
>Mike Mattone (mike@nx03.mik.uky.edu) wrote:
>: I've only had the computer for about 21 months.
>"Only"?!? That's a long time!
>: Is that a reasonable life
>: cycle for a LCD display?
>I think 21 months with nothing wrong until now is quite reasonable. If
>you had bought a Compaq or Toshiba, you might have reasonably expected the
>machine to last longer before something went wrong; but that's a moot
>point, perhaps.
Maybe. I've had an Epson portable with backlit LCD since 1988 which is
still used daily and the screen on that is fine. The only problem it
has (and ever has had) is the "arm" of the screen is sorta lose and if
you bend it fairly harshly the screen goes off until you wiggle it
round a bit. But other than that, it's been perfect! So what's that,
about um, 60 months???!
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In article <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
(Dillon Pyron) says:
>>>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly
>>>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having
>>>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks
>>>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex
>>>as the timer on a VCR.
>>
>>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing
>>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is
>>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.
>
>Ahem!!! Hrumph!!!! You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners. We will
>beat
>you with our hammers. Oooops, don't have any :-)
>
>Seriously. There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA
>revolver. Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver.
>Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that
>autoloaders give you, that is.
>
>Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment. If you just learn how
>to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you).
>--
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>TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated.
>(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) |
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>
All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends.
Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to
learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was
looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the
safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot
more "safe" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course
this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You
would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I
like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool
(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as
my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with
a "traditional" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion.
Jason
| 16talk.politics.guns |
mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:
>In article <May.11.02.36.34.1993.28074@athos.rutgers.edu> mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (someone named Mark) writes:
>>"... Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers,
>>nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards,
>>nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were
>>some of you..." I Cor. 6:9-11.
>The moderator adequately discusses the circularity of your use of _porneia_
>in this. I think we can all agree (with Paul) that there are SOME kinds of
>activity that could be named by "fornication" or "theft" or "coveting" or
>"reviling" or "drunkenness" which would well deserve condemnation. We may
>or may not agree to the bounds of those categories, however; and the very
>fact that they are argued over suggests that not only is the matter not at
>all "clear" but that Paul -- an excellent rhetorician -- had no interest
>in MAKING them clear, leaving matters rather to our Spirit-led decisions,
>with all the uncomfortable living-with-other-readings that has dominated
>Christian discussion of ALL these areas.
What is fornication? (sex outside of marriage, abuse of sex)
Is not homosexual intercourse outside the context of marriage?
Isn't it an unatural use of what God has given us?
Why is it that homosexuals are using the Grace of God as a license to
practice sin?
For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long
beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who
turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only
Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jude 4 (NASB)
What is defined by God as a legitimate marriage?
For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and
shall cleave to his wife; and the shall become one flesh.
Gen 2:24 (NASB)
And He answer and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them
from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS
CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE;
AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? Consequently they are no longer
two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no
man separate."
Matt 19:4-6 (NASB)
But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let
each woman have her own husband. Let the husband fulfill his duty
to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
1 Corinthians 7:4,5 (NASB)
> There are plenty of
>laws prohibiting sexual behavior to be found in Leviticus, most of
>which Christians ignore completely. They never even BOTHER to examine
>them. They just *assume* that they know which ones are "moral" and
>which ones are "ritual." Well, I have news for you. Any anthropology
>course should sensitize you to ritual and clean vs. unlcean as categories
>in an awful lot of societies (we have them too, but buried pretty deep).
>And I cannot see any ground for distinguishing these bits of Leviticus
>from the "ritual law" which NO Christian I know feels applies to us.
I disagree... Every law that is written in Leviticus should be looked at
as sin. That is why we have a need for a savior. I can understand
someone who may not know a particular sin listed in the Levitcal law, but
I would hope that they would repent when confronted with it.
>>I notice that the verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows the
>>verse prohibiting what appears to be homosexual intercourse.
>Well, la-ti-da. So what? This is almost as slimey an argument as the
>one that homosexuality == rape. I know of no one who argues seriously
>(though one can always find jokers) in "defense" of bestiality. It is
>absolutely irrelevant and incomparable to the issues gay Christians *do*
>raise (which concern sexual activity within committed, consensual human
>adult realtionships), so that your bringing it up is no more relevant
>than the laws of kashrut. If you cannot address the actual issues, you
>are being bloody dishonest in trailing this red herring in front of the
>world. If *you* want to address bestiality, that is YOUR business, not
>mine. And attempting to torpedo a serious issue by using what is in
>our culture a ridiculous joke shows that you have no interest in hearing
>us as human beings. You want to dismiss us, and use the sleaziest means
>you can think of to do so.
Also I noticed that the preceeding verses say.
Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her
menstrual impurity. And you shall not have intercourse with your
neighbors wife, to be defiled with her.
Leviticus 18:19, 20 (NASB)
These verses are just as relevant as:
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an
abomination.
Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)
Why was God telling the Israelites not to practice such things?
Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these
the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.
For the land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its
punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and Judgments, and
shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor
the alien who sojourns among you
Leviticus 18:24-26 (NASB)
He is the Lord... Listen to what he has to say...
Nobody wants to dismiss homosexuals. We do love you, but we don't
agree that what you practice is not sin. You have not truly repented
of your sin. We hate the sin that is within your lives. I hate sin
that is in my life. All Christians should hate the sin that is within
their own lives. Confrontaion with sin should bring about repentance.
Yes I agree with John 3:17, but I also know that Jesus said, "Repent for
the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Matt 3:17. If you don't agree that
homosexuality is sin than how can you repent from it? This means that
you remain in bondage to it. Repent from it and God will set you free.
In His Love,
Mike
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:54:03 GMT, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu said:
nsmca> So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but
nsmca> so was Wilbur and Orville Wright, and quite a few others..
This is a common misconception. There was nothing "off the wall"
about the Wright Brothers. They were in correspondance with a number
of other experimenters (Octave Chanute, Lillienthal, etc), they flew
models, they had a wind tunnel. In short, they were quite mainstream
and were not regarded as odd or eccentric by the community.
I suggest you read The Bishop's Boys or the biography by Harry Gates?
Combs? (I can never remember which it is--the guy that had the FBOs
and owned Learjet for a while). These are both in print and easily
obtainable. The Bishop's Boys is in trade paperback, even.
Even better would be the multi-volume set of the Wrights' writings,
but this is out of print, rare, and hideously expensive.
--
Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
"A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot
| 14sci.space |
Hi!...
I am searching for packages that could handle Multi-page GIF
files...
Are there any on some ftp servers?
I'll appreciate one which works on PC (either on DOS or Windows 3.0/3.1).
But any package works on Unix will be OK..
Thanks in advance...
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr22.045328.630@cheshire.oxy.edu> colello@cheshire.oxy.edu (Robert Colello) writes:
>
>Hello,
> I am moving to Houston to go to Rice University for graduate school.
>I will be living on the corner of S. Mian and University Blvd. I was
>wondering what kind of liability rates to expect. Here is the relevent
>info.
> Sex: Male
> Age: 23
> Status: Single
> Commute: None, walking.
> Car: 1982 Ford Crown Victoria, 4 door
>
>If anyone can check the above info, or is in a similar situation please
>E-MAIL me the rates they find out or pay. Thanks for your help in advance.
>
>colello@delphi.com
>colello@cheshire.oxy.edu
>
My suggestion look at your current insurance card, there will be a name
accross the top telling you which insurance company you are insured by.
Call information in Houston and get the number of a branch office in the
Houston area, call the insurance company.
Your rates will vary depending on the amount of coverage you want,
do you want to carry comp and collision (probably not on an 82),
what your driving record is. You mentioned none of these things in your
posting so how can anyone give you accurate information.
Like I said, pick up the phone and make a few calls, it won't kill you.
Jeff
| 7rec.autos |
In article <1qn044$gq5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can
>put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a
>747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC
>
>I don't know if they need ILS.
DFW was designed with the STS in mind (which really mean very little). Much of
their early PR material had scenes with a shuttle landing and two or three
others pulled up to gates. I guess they were trying to stress how advanced the
airport was.
For Dallas types: Imagine the fit Grapevine and Irving would be having if the
shuttle WAS landing at DFW. (For the rest, they are currently having some power
struggles between the airport and surrounding cities).
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| 14sci.space |
In article <kmr4.1587.734911207@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
[deletions]
>
> [ In this case, I would consider not saying anything to be a lie.
A lie of omission, as it were. (As opposed to an outright lie which I
believe would be termed a lie of commission.)
>Or, at the very least, it implies that falsehood is on the same level of
>telling the truth. Or, we can stipulate that the SS have methods to make you
>say something: only they can not control whether or not you say "yes" or
>"no". Only that you will say one or the other. ]
>---
>
> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
>
>
Clyde
--
Little girls, like butterflies, don't need a reason!
- Robert Heinlein
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1667.Apr1821.58.3593@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:
> Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is
> a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a
> new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three
> keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole
> knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as
> E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it.
>
> The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when
> someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M
> the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C.
> The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed
> from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key
> escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted?
Via K_P, of course. Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. It's
the session key, though, and it's chosen however you usually choose
session keys --- exponential key exchange, shared secret, RSA, etc.
But however you choose it, the chip will apparently emit the escrow
header when you do.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>
> Well, this is your opinion !
>
Of course it is!
> Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However,
> I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if
> KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses.
>
And this is your opinion. It is not any more valid due to repeated
capital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc.
> Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian
> articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive
> Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit
> around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS.
So Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have
been aggressive in the past? I don't follow your logic.
>DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to
>
> Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that
> your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS.
I have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not
give any reasons for Turkey's involvement. I also am not trying to
convince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time....
>DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it.
>DA] After all, it is now free.
>
> Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you.
>
>
I am serious. Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace
of mind?
Deniz Akkus
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
ABOLISH CULTS!
START WITH THE F.B.I.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>W C Newell Jr (wcn@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>
>>Before we can have a global multimedia e-mail solution, there must be some
>>definition of a minimum service level, and MIME does not provide for this
>>(yet).
>
>Before the Internet will invest in software, people need to see content.
>I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be
>sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news
>readers, esp if the content is really worth it.
>
>>IMHO, we have a long way to go before the Unix-specific MUAs, newsreaders, etc
>>reach the service levels of the other commercial platforms. There ought to be
>>such a definition, consisting of known object data types and rules for their
>>handling, included in the transport specification document.
>
>Yes. But there is also a long way to go before most Mac, PC, and Windows
>MUAs and newsreaders are ready to handle the sheer volume of news and mail
>that many Unix specific tools are able to cope with. When the choice is
>"more feechurs" or "make the damn thing fast enough to keep up with the
>flood", you have to bet that "fast enough" wins.
Ed, as usual, makes a very good point.
One time a friend of mine at Sun sent me an e-mail. He composed it using the
Sun OpenWindows 3 "mailtool" which handles (non-MIME) "attachments" and the
like.
Since I don't use "mailtool", I had to manually save it, cut & paste, and
then "uudecode" the actual attachment. What I got - after a not-inconsiderable
amount of time spent doing this - was an audio file. The original message
was over 32Kb of mail headers and uuencoded data; the resulting audio message
was a single sentence that I transcribed as a 135 character message.
If he had sent me the sentence in plain text, the e-mail would have been
around 250 bytes, and it would have taken me about 3 seconds to process it at
most. Instead, it was 32k and it took at least a minute. A complete waste of
(my) time and bandwidth, as far as I'm concerned. Sending plain text is still
the most efficient method of transmission, given the same transport mechanism.
I shudder to think what would happen if everyone started posting their Usenet
articles as audio files instead of plain text! Meltdown of the Net predicted!
Film at Eleven!
Back to Mono! (-:
[This sub-thread no longer has anything to do with PEM or administrative]
[policy, so I've redirected followups back to comp.mail.mime ... - Greg ]
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| 11sci.crypt |
Hello !
Could anybody be so kind and tell me the date and possible ftp-location of
the most recent Win 3.1 printer drivers for:
- Canon BJ-10e
and
- Canon LBP-4
I would really appreciate if you could help me with this.
Thanks in advance!
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gajarsky@pilot.njin.net writes:
morgan and guzman will have era's 1 run higher than last year, and
the cubs will be idiots and not pitch harkey as much as hibbard.
castillo won't be good (i think he's a stud pitcher)
This season so far, Morgan and Guzman helped to lead the Cubs
at top in ERA, even better than THE rotation at Atlanta.
Cubs ERA at 0.056 while Braves at 0.059. We know it is early
in the season, we Cubs fans have learned how to enjoy the
short triumph while it is still there.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I just bought a new IDE hard drive for my system to go with the one
I already had. My problem is this. My system only had a IDE cable
for one drive, so I had to buy cable with two drive connectors
on it, and consequently have to switch cables. The problem is,
the new hard drive's manual refers to matching pin 1 on the cable
with both pin 1 on the drive itself and pin 1 on the IDE card. But
for the life of me I cannot figure out how to tell which way to plug
in the cable to align these.
Secondly, the cable has like a connector at two ends and one between them.
I figure one end goes in the controler and then the other two go into
the drives. Does it matter which I plug into the "master" drive
and which into the "Slave"? any help appreciated. thanks...
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I don't know if it causes the body any harm, but in the 23
years I've been teaching nine and ten years olds I've never had
one fall over from eating "boogers" which many kids do on a
regular basis [when they think no one is looking . . .]
| 13sci.med |
In article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>
>Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives
>didn't carry purses? :-)
>
>
>Beth
>
My wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets!
--
Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)
AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA
| 7rec.autos |
Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote:
: I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for
: the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to
: all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of
: Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made
: obsolete by Jesus.
Just for reference, here's the earlier quote:
Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9
and Deuteronomy 22:20-25:
: These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had
: expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a
: direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God
: is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately
: punishable.
: Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to
: God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in
: the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There
: is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And
: not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew
: and Gentile alike.
These are two conflicting statements. To say one is a clarification of the
other is a breach of logic. I don't mind people shifting their position on
an issue. It irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change
was made. What about Deuteronomy 22:20-25? Is it wrong now? Did Jesus
change that?
: If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the
: following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon
: the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended.
Sure he does this. However, he doesn't address the notion of stoning
non-virgin brides, because this needs no clarification. Are you going to
deny that Deuteronomy 22:20-25 is not patently clear in its intent?
: I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of
: modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe
: in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart?
I'll agree that there is a lot of modern day Pharisees that know the Bible
from end to end and don't believe in it. Depending on how they use this
knowledge, they can be scary. They can argue any position they desire, and
back it up with selected parts of the Bible. Such Pharisees include David
Koresh and Adolph Hitler. I will qualify this by saying *I don't know* if
they actually believed what they were preaching, but the ends certainly
made the means look frightening.
However, just as scary are those that don't know much of the Bible, but
believe every word. In fact, this is probably scarier, since there are far
more of these people, from what I've seen. In addition, they are very easy
to manipulate by the aforementioned Pharisees, since they don't know enough
to debate with these people.
: Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's
: perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will.
No, it demands obedience to a book. If God came down and personally told
me how I should behave, then I would say that I would be doing God's will
by doing it. However, if preachers, pastors, and evangelists tell me to
obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to
two millenia (even longer for the OT), even if I follow everything in it
with my heart, I could scarcely be honest with myself by saying I'm doing
the will of God.
: Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is
: their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too.
Well, if God respects it so much, how come there is talk in the Bible about
eternal damnation for non-believers? I see little respect eminating from
the god of the Bible. I see a selfish and spiteful god.
: God be with you,
Not yours, thanks ;)
: Malcolm Lee :)
Rob Lanphier
lanphi872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu
lanph872@uidaho.edu
And for the curious, here is my earlier post:
> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure
> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several
> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't
> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the
> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot:
>
> "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have
> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke
> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is
> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments
> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of
> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called
> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your
> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law,
> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in
> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking)
> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament
> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so
> much ;).
| 19talk.religion.misc |
It is actually simple in principle. Porous adsorbents like zeolite and
activated carbon can adsorb gases evaporated from the adsorbate (water
or methanol, etc.) giving the cooling effect. Upon being heated, the
gas-saturated adsorbent bed will give off the gases which are then to be
condensed. This forms the adsorption refrigeration cycle. The only problem
is that the COP is very low (0.2 -0.6).
Max
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| 7rec.autos |
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| 7rec.autos |
In <1993Apr21.160642.12470@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes:
>In article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
>>I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the
>>Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type
>>being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit
>>shoot-to-kill directives.
>You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me.
Only because you are apparently easy to fool. In other words, your
remark is obviously from someone who wouldn't know the difference.
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in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
I was slightly surprised to see the "Guns of Roston" open up on me here.
But Gerry has his posting record and I have mine. Although I'm usually more
polite than Gerry is, I'm not afraid of controversy either. If this looks like
an argument that he started just to be contrary, or to pander to the sci.skeptic
masses (to say nothing of the libertarian masses), I'll certainly bow out.
My schedule for the next two weeks does NOT read, "23 April through 8 May:
Debate Gerry Roston on the true meaning of the Declaration of Independence
and the Bill of Rights; include a long discourse on the validity of Jefferson's
claims in the Declaration of Independence."
I've crossposted this to misc.legal, so that REAL lawyers can pass
judgement on Gerry's legal arguments...
In article <GERRY.93Apr21132149@onion.cmu.edu> gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
>In article <2003@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes:
>
> One thing that should be made clear is that neither the FBI nor
> the BATF is responsible for what happened yesterday. One can argue about
> the initial raid, but it would be worth mentioning, before the facts get
> lost, that
>
> 1. The Branch Davidians were tipped off that the BATF was coming
> during the initial raid.
>
> 2. The Branch Davidians opened fire first.
>
>Sigh, I was waiting some some not-so-intelligent person to bring this
>up. Look, this is a country of laws. To quote a piece of parchment
>that many seem to think is of little importance:
>
> 4th Amendment
> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
> papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
> shall not be violated; and no warrants shall issue, but upon
> probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
> particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons
> or things to be seized.
The first question is, "Did the 'tip-off' call indicate to the
Branch Davidians that a "no-knock warrant" was in use (and they could
therefore presumably go into 'Weapons Free' once the compound property
was entered ?" The second question is, "What makes Gerry think that the
Davidians' actions would have been different had another type of warrant
been in use ?"
I'd like to see both of these questions answered before seeking
judgment as to any claims about my IQ.
>
>No, a no-knock warrant is in clear violation of the 4th amendment.
>Okay, what about the fact that they were tipped off - they shouldn't
>have opened fire - right? WRONG! Think about this: I am a drug
>dealer and my competition wants to do away with me. They call me and
>tell me that the Feds are on their way with a no-knock warrant. So,
>being moronic sheep we wait, with our guns holstered. Now, instead of
>the Feds, in comes my competition, and we're history. The only
>acceptable answer to a no-knock warrant is blazing guns! I may sound
>paranoid, but our government is out of control, and killing a few
>federal officers make knock some sense back into it.
A spurious analogy, especially for one so skeptical as Gerry.
The Davidians were NOT drug dealers, and by all accounts feared no one
but the Feds. Any evidence to the contrary ?
Bill R.
--
"When up a dangerous faction starts, "My opinions do not represent
With wrath and vengeance in their hearts; those of my employer or
By solemn League and Cov'nant bound, any government agency."
To ruin, slaughter, and confound; - Bill Riggs (1992)
To turn religion to a fable,
And turn the Government to a Babel;
Pervert the law, disgrace the gown,
Corrupt the senate, rob the crown;
To sacrifice old England's glory,
And make her infamous in story.
When such a tempest shook the land,
How could unguarded virtue stand ?"
- Jonathan Swift (1732)
| 18talk.politics.misc |
element analysis, radiosity, distributed processing
Hi,
I'm looking for references to parallel algorithms on:
octrees
adaptive subdivision
adaptive meshing
finite element meshing/analysis
radiosity
Any help will be greatly appreciated. E-mail replies to
Dave Small
dts@cis.ufl.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
Has anyone dealt with First Tech based in Austin Tx?
If so, what has your experince been?
thanks,
James
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:
> Hey,
> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse
> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use
> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any
> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.
> Thanks for your efforts,
> Oliver
>--
> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart
> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31
> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80
> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de
Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS
before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded
to use the mouse in Windows.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Now I have a couple raytracing questions.
Just so you know I'm using PovRay 1.0 (both MS-dos and Unix) and I'm generating Targa files of varying size.
1) ok, so I can view these wonderful pictures on my screen. What's the best way to get them on to paper? Would it be possible to take it to Kinko's and have them make an actual picture on paper from it?
2) I was thinking about making a small animation bit with different raytraced
frames. Is this a bad idea? Any tricks to it?
3
)
How would I get a sequence of targa files made into an animation
that I could put on a videotape? Is there a cheap way?
| 1comp.graphics |
This inelegant device started life as a 175 watt security lamp, until
i smashed off the outer glass to liberate the nasty rays, It works a
treat, weighs a heap (due to the ballast) , and NO - i wont ship it !!
cheers
Mike.
| 12sci.electronics |
wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I
>>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper.
>A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245
>million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets
>close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few
>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers?
Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the "figure includes a
hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers" This is sloppy people and DUMB.
>But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you
>get more performance for the money.
Ok once again with the SCSI spec list:
SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} synchronous range is indeed 0-5MB/s
asynchronous range is slower at 0-3MB/s.
SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}
Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1
so it DOES exist. Some PCs use this set up too.
SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst
{for those who want SCSI-2 but don't want to pay for the 16-bit or 32-bit
hardware or mess with the SCSI-2 software controllers. Usable by SCSI-1
devices with close to 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds}
SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst
SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst
On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak:
>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s.
Again synchronous and asynchronous modes with asynchronous much slower
{Range 0-5MB/s}
>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions)
One problem is the inconsitant use of the term 'SCSI' in articles and by
people. Its PROPER meaning is "The set of SCSI interfaces composed of
SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"
Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote:
(My comments in {})
PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 "Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI,
{This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."
{this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2}
To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read:
{asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip}
"Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the
speed of IDE..."
or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2}
"Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as
ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."
NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity.
SCSI-1 drivers are somewhat reasonable while 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 drivers
are VERY expansive {8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 drivers with little speed
degridation(the Mac Quadra does EXACTLY this.)}
If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking
about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2}
IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Here are two quotes from the White House.
``The Administration is not saying, "since encryption threatens the
public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it
outright" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S.
saying that "every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
unbreakable commercial encryption product."''
``In making this decision, I do not intend to prevent the private
sector from developing, or the government from approving, other
microcircuits or algorithms that are equally effective in assuring
both privacy and a secure key-escrow system.''
These quotes bother me in three ways. (1) Many people will read and
remember that ``encryption threatens the public safety and effective
law enforcement.'' (2) The Administration is explicitly failing to
acknowledge that every American is entitled to use strong encryption
to ensure his own privacy. (3) The President, by implication, may
intend to outlaw any cryptographic devices which ensure privacy but
do not have a key-escrow system.
I want to see an organization which will combat such statements.
Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski
masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which
ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system.
I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a
``National Cryptography Association.''
To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization
necessary? Does it already exist?
---Dan
| 11sci.crypt |
sleeping_dragon (ong_mang@iastate.edu) wrote:
: I'm looking to buy a 17" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what
: monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using
: a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind.
Good luck finding an MX17S. When I was looking around back in
December/January, Mag wasn't producing any because they couldn't get
tubes from Sony. I asked when they expected to restart production as
I was willing to wait a few months to get an MX17S but they said not
any time soon. I wound up getting a T560i and am extremely happy with
it.
David
--
David Engel Optical Data Systems, Inc.
david@ods.com 1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>The main thing I just don't get is whether this chip implements
>symmetric or asymmetric cryptographic techniques. Anybody know?
I don't know, but I'm as willing to speculate as anyone.
Several people have suggested that the chips use public-key cryptography.
Another possibility is to use Diffie-Hellman key exchange, or some other
algorithm which has a similar effect. DH allows both ends to agree on
a session key which they use with symmetric cryptography (something
like DES) for the encryption.
How could the "back door" keys work in this system? I can see a few
possibilities. One is that the DH-like algorithm has the property that
the session key can be deduced by an eavesdropper who knows the back door
keys for one (or possibly both) communicants. Perhaps the random numbers
used in the DH are seeded by the back door key, or some such.
Another possibility, as was suggested here earlier, is that the chips
simply broadcast the session key, encrypted with the chip's own
internal secret key. In this system the back door keys are secret keys
usable for decrypting this session key broadcast. Actually the chip's
secret key doesn't need to be a public key in this usage, but can be
identical to the secret back-door key. (This proposal seems most
straightforward to me.)
Still another possibility is that the encryption algorithm used for the
message itself has a "dual key" property, that possession of either of
two keys can be used to decrypt it. One key would be the session key from
the DH exchange, and the other would be the back door key for the chip.
It's worth noting that one of the proposals Dorothy Denning raised
during her amazingly prescient on-line discussion last November and
December was a variation on Diffie-Hellman in which a third party would
participate in deriving the session keys. This doesn't quite fit into
what we know of how Clipper works but it hints that those who had early
knowledge of Clipper (or whose thinking was somehow synchronized with
Clipper designers) may have had Diffie-Hellman on their minds.
Hal Finney
| 11sci.crypt |
Greetings,
I am using an X server that provides 3 visuals:
PseudoColor 8 bit, Truecolor 24 bit and DirectColor 24 bit.
A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different
from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24).
In the Xlib reference guide from 'O reilly one can read in the
section about XCteateWindow, something like:
"In the current implementation of X11: When using a visual other than the
parent's, be sure to create or find a suitable colourmap which is to be used
in the window attributes when creating, or else a BadMatch occurs."
This warning, strangely enough, is only mentioned in the newer editions
of the X11R5 guides.
However, even if I pass along a suitable colourmap, I still get a BadMatch
when I create a window with a non-default visual.
The code looks like this:
------------------ cut here and you'll destroy your CRT ----------------
Window create_8bit_window_on_truecolour_display(dpy,width,height)
Display *dpy;
int width, height;
{
Window win;
XVisualInfo vinfo;
XSetWindowAttributes attr;
fprintf(stderr,"Opening 8 bit window...\n");
if (!XMatchVisualInfo(dpy,DefaultScreen(dpy),8,PseudoColor,&vinfo)) {
fprintf(stderr,"Your display can't handle 8 bit PseudoColor.\n");
exit(1);
}
fprintf(stderr,"Using visual: %x\n",vinfo.visual->visualid);
cmap = XCreateColormap(
dpy,
DefaultRootWindow(dpy),
vinfo.visual,
AllocNone
);
XSync(dpy,False);
XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); /* ommision of this line gives same result */
attr.colormap = cmap;
win = XCreateWindow(
dpy,
DefaultRootWindow(dpy),
10,10,
width,height,
CopyFromParent, /* border width */
8, /* depth */
InputOutput, /* class */
vinfo.visual, /* visual */
CWColormap,
&attr
);
return win;
}
--- cut here and you'll destroy your CRT -----
Executing this piece of code results in a BadMatch error.
Anybody who knows why?
If so, please drop me a line.
Take care,
Bram Stolk
stolk@fwi.uva.nl
| 5comp.windows.x |
Hi everybody,
Can anyone name an anonymous ftp-site where I can find the sources
of the PBM-PLUS package (portable bit/gray/pixel map).
I would like to compile and run it on a Sun Sparcstation.
Thanks!
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:
>
>(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes
> > Sam Zbib Writes
> >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
> >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
> >>anti-trust in the business world.
> >>
> >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
> >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
> >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
> >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
> >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
> >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
> >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
> >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
> >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
> >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
> >>
> >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
> >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
> >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
> >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
> >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
> >>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
> >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).
> >>
>
>>Right now, I'm just going to address this point.
>>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,
>>It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,
>>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),
>>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.
>>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of
>>it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no
>>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting
>>them by selling the land right out from under them.
>>They are to blame, not the Jews.
>>
>>
>
>Amir:
>Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was
>it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the
>fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of
>any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews?
It was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it
without notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible
enough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving
them to their fate.
>
>Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine
>(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate
>treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while
>Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord
>would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would
>be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.
The point is that the land was sold legally, often at prices
above its actual value. It was legal, and good business for
the sellers, though it left the Palestinians who worked the land
in a poor situation.
>
>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the
>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share
>your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from
>any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down?
I don't know if others share this opinion. It is mine,
and I'm sure there are some who agree and some who don't
The way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances
beyond their control, in that since they didn't own the land,
they didn't have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the "greater
Arab unity" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews
(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just
business.
>
>All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The
>question was whether the intent behind the purchase was
>aimed at controlling the public assets (land,
>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds
>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.
>
>Sam
>
> My opinions are my own and no one else's
The purpose of buying the land was to provide space and jobs for
Jewish immigrants. In any case, no matter what the purpose,
the sales were legal, so I really don't see any grounds for
contesting them.
Amir
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>, Al Donaldson writes:
> Unrelated question...isn't the term "Clipper," as neat as it is,
> already taken by Intergraph?
>
Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used
in some of thier workstations.
I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier
name sake?
--
// Jeff Hyche
-There Can Be Only One- \\ // presto!random@uunet.uu.net
\X/
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <C5xw6x.BtB@austin.ibm.com> lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Har
tmann) writes:
>In article <33z5zgc@rpi.edu> arnolm2@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Richard Arnold) writ
es:
>>
>>Would someone be willing to explain to me the 486DX 50MHz is not more
>>popular than it is? I would think it would be just as fast, if not
>>faster than the 486DX 66MHz for certian applications. Plus, a 50MHz
>>motherboard would seem better if you had any plans on upgrading the
>>chip in the future. I must be missing something, since everyone is
>>buying the DX2 66... Many adds don't even mention the DX 50.
>>
>
>One of the things going for the DX2-66 (over the 50) is that it's
>clock speed complies with the VESA local bus spec.
>
>Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
A couple other problems with the 486DX/50:
1.) System manufacturers had MAJOR problems solving the electromagnetic
interference problems with 486DX/50 systems. Getting an FCC-B (home use)
certification required additional shielding in the system.
2.) HEAT...a lot of people seem to be installing heat sinks and/or cooling
fans on their 486DX2/66 chips. I would guess that the 486DX/50 ran
temperatures inside the case even hotter. And heat is the enemy of system
reliability.
Ed
--
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Any above opinions are the sole property of the below named person:
Edward K. Jen ejen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Academic Computing Services The Ohio State University
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <93096.101507RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility
>vehicles in the US by 1997. They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee
>et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000.
>
>Did anyone see a picture? Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is a picture in the May 1993 edition of European Car (although,
it may not be on the shelf yet).
Some things that the article says:
- prototype has front wheel drive (first front drive
for Mercedes since the beginning of WWII)
- wheelbase 3.15m
- 7 seater
- they claim that the price will be about the same as a
Renault Espace or Chrysler Voyager (DM 50,000)
Looking at the picture (slightly disguised) it looks like the Ford
Aerostar, to me.
>available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new
>vehicle? Any details would be appreciated.
>
>Dick Meyer
>Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State
.
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that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>>I must say I was appalled by the American Jewish Council's open letter.
>>>America is not the world's policeman. We cannot and should not take it upon
>>>ourselves to solve the problems of the entire world. America's young men and
>>>women should not be sent to Yugoslavia, period. If people feel strongly
>>>enough, let them go as individuals to fight alongside the butchers of their
>>>choice.
>>We have a volunteer army. The argument you gave only applies if we have a
>>draft.
>Huh?
Sorry, I misread your remark about young men and women. (Though I am now
unsure what that sentence does mean.)
>>Furthermore, people do not become butchers by _being_ "ethnic
>>cleansed". Or do you automatically call them butchers because they are Muslim?
>I am disappointed in your logic, especially coming from a stalwart of
>sci.skeptic.
You implied that anyone who wants to send troops to Bosnia wants to do so to
help the "butchers of their choice". Since the primary targets of help are
Muslim victims of "ethnic cleansing", you imply that such Muslim victims are
butchers.
>1) People become butchers by butchering. There have been atrocities on all
>sides.
This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or
impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that
victims do not exist. Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities
on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans?
>These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one
>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop.
Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not
be "ethnic cleansed". The Serbians want to "ethnic cleanse" the Muslims. It
is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the
things that the two sides want are not equivalent.
>2) Quite an impressive leap of reasoning to assume that I am so racist as to
>call someone a butcher because they are Muslim. In fact, I think on the
>contrary, the media fixation on this war, as opposed to the dozens upon dozens
>of civil wars which have been fought in the recent past is because these are
>white people, in Europe. When atrocities occur in the Third World, there is
>not as much news coverage, and not nearly the same level of outrage.
I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying
that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to
Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider
unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to
the opposite place than that predicted by the theory.
For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to
help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If
the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are
less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us?
Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think?
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
scott@prism.gatech.edu (Scott Holt) writes:
"Hate the sin but love the sinner"...I've heard that quite a bit recently,
.... My question is whether that statement is consistent with Christianity.
I would think not.
Hate begets more hate, never love. ....
In the summary of the law, Christ commands us to love God and to love our
neighbors. He doesn't say anything about hate. In fact, if anything, he
commands us to save our criticisms for ourselves. ....
- Scott
I too dislike the phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner". Maybe the
definite article is also part of the problem, since it seems to give
us license to fixate on our brother's peculiar pecadillo which we have
managed to escape by a common grace of heredity, economic situation, or
culture. Our outrage at evil is too often just a cheap shot.
That said, I don't think Scott has adequately explored the flip side
of this coin, namely the love of righteousness. In the Beatitudes,
Jesus blessed those who hungered and thirsted for righteousness. In
the New Testament, it is never enough just to behave well, one should
always actively desire and work for the cause of good. In that sense,
it should be impossible to remain dispassionate about evil and its
victims, even when these are its accomplices as well.
Maybe "mourn sin, love sinners" catches the idea slightly better than
"hate", but only slightly, since grief usually implies a passive
powerless position. A balanced Christian response needs grief, love,
and carefully measured, constructive anger. Jesus has all three. The
European pietists during WWII whose response to Nazi atrocities was
devoid of anger do not fare well as role models, however much love or
grief they exemplified.
My sister is an actress in New York and a Christian. A few years
back, Jack, her long-time professional friend and benefactor, died of
AIDS, impoverished by medical bills, estranged from his family, and
abandoned by most of his surviving friends. Only my sister and
brother-in-law were there with him at the very end. In her grief over
Jack's death, my sister found quite a few targets for anger: callous
bureaucracies, the rigid self-protective moralism of Jack's family,
the inertia in Christians' response to AIDS, and, yes, even Jack's own
lapse in morality that eventually cost him his life. Jack himself
shared that last anger. Brought up with strong Christian values, he
was contrite over his brief dalliance with promiscuous sex long before
his AIDS appeared. (I imply no moral judgement here about Jack's
innate sexual orientation, n.b.)
Maybe the hardest job is making our anger constructive.
Van Kelly
vek@research.att.com
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Is there a readily available solvent that does a good job at removing the
corrosion/encrustation that collects on the battery terminals (usually the
cathode) when using alkaline batteries (or more accurately, when NOT using
them for a long time)?
| 12sci.electronics |
Hi Folks,
Does anybody know where I can find the "Color" bitmap editor
around the public sites? Any information I do appreciate that.
C.Chang
| 5comp.windows.x |
I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run
under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and
icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But
the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm.
Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An
example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great.
--
Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet
2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498
Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898
| 5comp.windows.x |
I would like a list of Bible contadictions from those of you who dispite
being free from Christianity are well versed in the Bible.
| 0alt.atheism |
The title says it all. Contact me via EMAIL if you would can help me out...
Mike Harpe
University of Louisville
P.S. I KNOW IT IS DISCONTINUED. I want someone who would like to sell
an old copy.
--
Michael Harpe, Programmer/Analyst Information Technology, Ormsby Bldg.
harpe@hermes.louisville.edu University of Louisville
(502)588-5542 Louisville, Ky. 40292
"He's not a man, he's a remorseless eating machine!" - The Simpsons
| 12sci.electronics |
jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
A religion is a cult which if those in power belong to it.
Actually, they're all bull shit.
Graeme,
{--- T.G.Nattress@uk.ac.ncl -----------------------------------------}
{-----Hitler is Nibor from the Planet Vashir, the Galactic ---------}
{--- shape-changing psychopath. ---------------------------------------}
{-----John, The Tomorrow People, Hitler's Last Secret.------------------}
| 0alt.atheism |
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