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smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:
> Team Biggest Biggest
>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik
>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce
^^^^^^^^
weren't these two
traded for each
other? Poetic justice.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:
>>DATE: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500
>>FROM: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>>
>>
>>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself?
>>>
>>> No. For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do.
>>> It is God's nature to Exist. He is, after all, the "I AM" which is
>>> a statement of His inherent Existence. He is existence itself.
>>> Existence cannot "not-exist".
>>
>>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent.
>>
What do you mean by omnipotent here? Do you mean by "omnipotent"
that God should be able to do anything/everything? This creates
a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively
useless.
To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean "being all-powerful" and
not "being able to do anything/everything".
Let me illustrate by analogy.
Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth. Suppose
further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any
nation or group of nations. The US has the power to go into any country
at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the
US see fit. The US would be militarily "omnipotent".
But suppose further that the US holds to a doctrine/philosophy of not
interfering in the internal affairs of any nation, such as the current
civil war in the former Yugoslavian states.
Technically (in this scenario) the US would have the power to
unilaterally go into Yugoslavia and straighten out the mess. But
effectively the US could not intervene without violating its own policy
of non-interference. If the policy of non-interference were held to
strongly enough, then there would never be a question that it would
ever be violated. Effectively, the US would be limited in what it
could actually do, although it had the power to do "whatever it wanted".
The US would simply "never want to interfere" for such an idea would
be beyond the consideration of its leaders given such an inviolate
non-interference policy.
God is effectively limited in the same sense. He is all powerful, but
He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what
He, Himself is.
I hope this helps to clear up some of the misunderstanding concerning
omnipotence.
Regards,
Jim B.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>Huh?
>
>- Roid
On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote:
> If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that
> paper! thanks!
Experimental Lyme Disease in Dogs Produces Arthritis and Persistant Infection,
The Journal of Infectious Diseases, March 1993, 167:651-664
--
Jeff Parke <jeffp@pgavin1.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA 99164-7012
| 13sci.med |
Is there a Honda mailing list, and if so how do I subscribe to it?
| 7rec.autos |
I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms.
Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that.
Thanks a lot!
Thomas
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| 1comp.graphics |
I have an external hard drive I wish to use as startup disk.
problem is, when I switch on the mac, it boots on the internal HD,
but when I restart (warm boot) the mac, it boots from the external.
how do I make it boot directly from the external ?
please email replies if possible.
thanks in advance.
jerry
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
>>>kjb/MGL/uvesa32.zip
>>>
>>>This is a universal VESA driver. It supports most video
>>>boards/chipsets (include the Speedstar-24 and -24X) up to
>>>24 bit color.
>>>
>>>Terry
>>>
>>>P.S. I've tried it on a Speedstar-24 and -24X and it works. :)
>>Not with all software. :( For instance it doesn't work at all with
>>Animator Pro from Autodesk. It can't detect ANY SVGA modes when
>>running UniVESA. This is really a problem as we need a VESA driver
>>for both AA Pro and some hi-color stuff. :(
>Just out of curiosity... Are you using the latest version (3.2)? Versions
>previous to this did not fill in all of the capabilities bits and other
>information correctly. I had problems with a lot of software until I got
>this version. (I don't think the author got around to posting an
>announcementof it (or at least I missed it), but 3.2 was available in the
>directory indicated as of 3/29.)
I sure did use version 3.2. It works fine with most software but NOT
with Animator Pro and that one is quite important to me. Pretty
useless program without that thing working IMHO.
So I hope the author can fix that.
/Daniel...
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| 1comp.graphics |
u1452@penelope.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes:
>I propose that PepsiCo, Mcdonalds and other companies could put
>into orbit banners that have timely political messages, such as,
> "Stop the slaughter in Bosnia!"
Or how about:
"End light pollution now!!"
Your banner would have no effect on its subject, but my banner would.
--
David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov
| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr27.202305.4363@mav.com>, toddi@mav.com (Todd Inch) writes:
> In article <1993Apr16.003132.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu>
> ritterbus001@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes:
>
> Regarding pointing an antenna at a "leaky" CATV cable:
>
> >Wow, what a concept! Does anybody want to speculate on how this
> >"non-connection" would fit into the theft of cable services laws?
> >It seems to me that unless this case is specifically written into
> >the legislation that the cable company would not have a leg to
> >stand upon in court.
>
> Well, the CATV company, in the US, is accountable to the FCC for how
> much transmission their cables make. In fact, I've heard first hand
> about how the CATV company asked to inspect the wiring in a
> home/business to find the source of RF leaks. I've heard many of their
> vans have RF detectors and they keep one eye on them as they drive down
> the street.
>
> If the cable is leaky enough to have usable signal, I would GUESS that
> they're probably in violation of FCC transmission laws.
>
> In England they do (did?) require permits to OPERATE A TV!!!
> Supposedly, the "TV police" drove around with RF detectors looking for
> the IF or whatever produced by a receiver that wasn't registered. I'm
> guessing the purpose was just something else they could get away with
> taxing. I don't know if the "TV police were/are just urban legend or
> an actuality.
The TV Police are still with us I'm afraid. A 1000 pound fine goes out to
the unlicensed users(if caught).
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr20.004746.13007@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>,
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) says:
>
>To say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab-
>solutely that player A's team would have played better with player B
>in their lineup. Sheer speculation. Impossible to ascertain.
>
to take this to its, er, "logical" conclusion, it is impossible to
ascertain whether or not i am a better hitter than roberto alomar,
or a better pitcher than juan guzman, or a better center fielder than
devon white. after all, if i were on the blue jays, can you really
prove that they wouldn't have won the world series in both 1991 AND
1992?
while i thank you, mister maynard, for your faith in my atheletic
prowess, i can assure you that your faith is misplaced.
bob vesterman.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I was wondering if it's possible to change the window icons OLWM
uses for things like xterm. Most of the defaults are pretty lame.
Any answer (or where I can find one) would be most appreciated.
Thanks
Matt Clark
| 5comp.windows.x |
> > :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack
> > :has 2^80 possible keys.
> >
> > We don't yet know if all 80 bits count.
>
> That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something
>they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be
>verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the
>chip, then see what happens to the output....
If the device is designed to use the key that's registered with the Feds,
I don't see how you -can- feed it a different key. If the user can change
the key to any of the 2^80 possibilities, the main reason for regarding
this proposal as unacceptable disappears.
| 11sci.crypt |
Does anyone have the documentation for the MS Mouse Driver 8.2? I got it when
I got Windows 3.1, but my Windows manual does not come with the documentation.
In particular I need to know how to turn it off, and how to speed it up
outside windows. The greater sensitivity is needed so I can play various
games, esp X-wing :)
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| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, |
| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human |
| | stupidity, and I'm not sure |
| | about the former. - Einstein |
| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------|
| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra |
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I have forsale a 486 25 slc notebook very small
INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING: CYRIX 486 25MHZ PROC. ( FAST )
MIDWEST MICRO ELITE SERIES
60 MEG HARD DRIVE (120 W/ STACKER)
1 3.5INCH DRIVE
1 SERIAL, 1 PARALLEL
2 MEGS OF RAM ( UPGRADABLE TO 8 MEGS )
64 shades of grey VGA
built in trackball
very fast machine
LOADED WITH WINDOWS,STACKER
DOS 5.0,
CARRYING CASE, AND POWER SUPPLY
bought it just 3 months ago for $1500.00 and realized
I don't need this much power in a notebook.
I was asking $1300.00... Now the first person with $1150.00 takes it.
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io00139@maine.maine.edu
Erik Sette
| 6misc.forsale |
In Article 167063 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
writes:
>In <1qid8s$ik0@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
>>I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes
>>coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of
>>conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may
>>be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is
>>murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion
>>coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.
>Reduced? Abortion is a lot cheaper than pre-natal care and birth.
>If you wanted to pay the higher premiums that would result if everyone
>using their health insurance to pay for an abortion instead elected to
>carry to term, I'm pretty sure that your insurance carrier would be
>happy to take your money.
It is always cheaper to kill children than to take responsibility for
them. Why stop at birth, why not fund infanticide up to age 2?
Matt Freivald
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THINKING IS IRRELEVANT. INTEGRITY IS IRRELEVANT.
FREE SPEECH IS IRRELEVANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IRRELEVANT.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS IRRELEVANT.
CONSERVATIVISM IS FUTILE.
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED.
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr22.092959@magic.mcc.com>, croley@magic.mcc.com (David
Croley) wrote:
>
> It would seem that the one fact that the government has overlooked in this
> whole fiasco is the economic standpoint. As others have mentioned, the most
> difficulty the Clipper chip faces is an economic one. Let's face it, the
> average consumer doesn't care or know that the Clipper is a bad idea. If
> there is a perceived need for cellular encryption, then the companies will
> provide one. Most likely, a standard will emerge. But if the Clipper is
> too expensive (and $25 a chip is way too much) then they will develope their
> own or buy a cheaper one.
This is an interesting point. As a VERY COARSE rule of thumb, you can
figure that the final price of a product is 3 to 5 times the Cost Of Goods.
(The exact multiplier depends largely on economies of scale: Products that
sell tens of millions of units/year will be at the low end, those that sell
thousands of units/year will be at the high end. I suspect cellular phones
are in the middle). This implies that adding a $25 chip would increase the
cost of the phone by approx $100, or about 25% - 30%.
I don't think you'll get a lot of consumer support for this.
-tony
>>usual disclaimer<<
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer
configuration is :
486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz)
16MB Ram
ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI
UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller
When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer
about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought
that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec.
Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host
adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk
performance in that system, do I need that ?
A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and
a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ?
Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ?
Thanks.
phantom@diku.dk (e-mail is preffered)
Working on a sign...... "Are we live or on tape ??"
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <Apr.20.10.27.01.1993.9195@romulus.rutgers.edu>
kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
> I wouldn't worry too much about it, though. We are starting to find
> out how politically impotent homosexuals really are. (Non-relevant
> stuff deleted) and coming this Saturday they are going to
> wind up with _TREMENDOUS_ egg on their face when, I submit, no more
> than perhaps 35,000 queers will show up in Washington while they are
> promising crowds in the millions. And most of the ones who will be
> there will look like ACT-UP and Queer Nation, not the guy working in
> the next cubicle. As if that's really going to play in middle
> America.
How wrong you will be. I participated in the last National March on
Washington (MOW) for LesGayBi rights (Oct 11, 1987) - with a turnout of
about 750,000 people - and we didn't have alot pissing us off at the time.
The big issue was the AIDS crisis, but we weren't being slapped around
quite as bad as we are now. This time its AIDS, and Equal Rights, and
the Military Squabble. And this MOW has been in the planning for YEARS
whereas the last one was pulled together in a relatively short time. The
last MOW was the largest ever on D.C. and you can bet we are going to
exceed that by a long shot. I truly believe we will exceed the 1.0
million goal the MOW committee has always had set for this event.
- Todd Allyn Houts
- email: t-houts@uiuc.edu OR houts@zelda.ehs.uiuc.edu
- MESSAGE OF THE DAY: 5 days til MOW
| 18talk.politics.misc |
mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
> ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities
> disappear. The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried
> out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper
> or face to face.
Well said, Michael!
The Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual
Works of Mercy:
admonish the sinner
instruct the ignorant
counsel the doubtful
comfort the sorrowful
bear wrongs patiently
forgive all injury
pray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy
on this and I don't want to argue about it.)
These are all things that have a direct application to usenet. People
ask questions and express doubts. Some are in need of comfort or
prayers. Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs
patiently and forgave injuries. I would add that it is probably more
appropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly.
Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr22.060607.12380@macc.wisc.edu> jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:
> You are probably referring to the products of
>
> Opto Diode Corp.
> 750 Mitchell Road
> Newbury Park Ca 91320
> 805 499-0335
>
> The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of
> 3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in
> response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are
> designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.
Jeez, that should do it.
> I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and
> Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot
> wide stage from 50 feet away.
Very interesting application, controlled lighting and environment, moderate
distances ... might be more interesting than my application. Just a thought,
you could use a roof mounted IR sender, similar in operation to a TV remote
control that tells each persons coded IR pulser to send a pulse. A Hamamatsu
detector, as was mentioned in a previous message in this thread, would give
the current position. Store and collate this on a computer and you could
replay the movements on the screen. Interesting!
--
Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca
(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
| 12sci.electronics |
Does anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th
e pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have
any idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor
tant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available
, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very
important.. Thanks a million...
BTW- Anyone who works/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i
nfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks
alot!!
-Peter
| 12sci.electronics |
In <C5HpG6.4LM@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:
>kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes:
[...]
>>
>> I would tend to call the offensive contributions even, but Alomar wins hands
>> down in defensive capabilities. I'm not just talking about the number of
>> errors; nobody (including Lind!) has the range and athleticism at second base.
>> I can't recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better
>> than Alomar.
>Well, why don't you look up those stats? Baerga may not be the best defensive
>second baseman in the league, but he's damn good. Check the stats for DPs
>last year and see for yourself.
According to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the
highest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst.
However, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average. So who would be better?
Using Alomar's opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays)
Alomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs.
Baerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs.
Using Baerga's opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays).
Alomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs.
Baerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs.
Baerga looks better, though it's possible his DP% would be lower with a
different SS.
Will Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however? Alomar
has established a high level of defense, Baerga has not. I would bet on
Alomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large
"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not
overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <EACHUS.93Apr20140314@spectre.mitre.org> eachus@spectre.mitre.org
(Robert I. Eachus) writes:
>
> But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just
>roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the
>Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if
>this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from
>NSA.)
This won't work if there is a checksum on the keys you don't know about.
Neither will registering a clipper chip and then substituting a
"counterfeit" one if the serial number contains a checksum.
Chances are the government has thought of this, and "just anyone" won't be
permitted access to enough of the internals to make a "fake" clipper chip.
Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals
at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security
safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level.
While not perfect, it would prevent Joe Hacker from rolling his own spoofing
chip, since not many counterfeiters can survive a background investigation.
Some of the more notorious self-styled dissidents here, for example, have
already got their heads so high above the tall grass that they'd have little
chance of getting a clearance.
Of course it's not impossible that someone do this, but probably extremely
difficult. Chances are there will also be very heavy criminal penalties for
phony clipper chips, on some national security/classified info grounds or
other, thus making the game not worth the candle.
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
| 11sci.crypt |
jovanovic-nick@yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic) writes:
>As I have stated many times: the civil war in ex-Yugoslavia will end
>when the terms of secession (borders, etc.) for Croatia and B-H are
>finally agreed upon. Serbs, Croats, and Muslims will *all* have to
>make territorial concessions to reach such an agreement.
Muslims already have, they accepted the Vance Owen plan that gives
50% of the population (Serbian statistics put it at 44%) only 25%
of the territory. They gave some totally Muslim villages and areas
to Croatia and Serbia, they in effect gave the Serbs the land they grabbed
while slaughtering the Muslims anbd raping their women and expelling
the survivors.
Still the Serbs (NOT BOSNIAN SERBS because the real Bosnian Serbs are
fighting with Muslims to defend Bosnia from Serbs, those so called
Bosnian Serbs refused to be part of Bosnia and wanted a greater Serbia),
still those Serbs refused, they have the necessary weapons to kill
more Muslims and grab more territory.
>-Nick
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Just a few cheap shots a Christianity:
Riddle: What is the shortest street in Jerusalem?
Answer: The Street of the Righteous Poles.
Limrick:
There was an archeologist Thostle
Who found an amazing fossil
By the way it was bent
And the knot it the end
'twas the penis of Paul the Apostle.
Jingle:
Christianity hits the spot
Twelve Apostles thats a lot
Jesus Christ and a Virgin too
Christianity's the faith for you
(with apologies to Pepsi Cola and its famous jingle)
Riddle:
How many Christians does it take to save a light bulb.
Answer: None, only Jesus can save.
Aphorism:
Jesus Saves
Moses Invests
Proof that Jesus was Jewish:
1. He lived at home till he was 33
2. He went into his fathers business
3. He thought he mother was a virgin
4. His mother thought he was God.
QED.
So long you all
Bob Kolker
"I would rather spend eternity in Hell with interesting people
than eternity in Heaven with Christians"
--
"If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr20.220335.9235@linus.mitre.org> glover@tafs2.mitre.org
(Graham K. Glover) writes:
> If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented
> and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >>
> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism <<
> absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite
> (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war?
Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to
fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again.
>
> Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply!
>
> ----------------
> Graham K. Glover
> ----------------
>
> UNMUTUAL
--
jmd@handheld.com
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"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:
>Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
>
> They sound like one and the same to me.
>
> I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words
I'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your
premises are wrong from the word "Go". You claim that Christianity is
based on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the
current thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence
that Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death.
Furthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs "regardless of
any evidence that you may find to the contrary." Without any evidence
to support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem
argument.
Mind you, I don't mean this as a personal attack. I'm merely pointing out
the intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion.
It would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do
base their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to
the contrary. Only then can you expect your attack to make sense.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I have read -just today- two articles dripping of hate and offence to
a great deal of people. I could find as much matching hatred in your
articles as I have found in some of the self-righteous "Kill-in-the-name
of God" people.
I don't know why you are so attcaking to everyone, is it a reaction to
the hatred calls on this newsgroup, or is it a reaction to hardships
you have seen and experienced from before...
I have learnt not to judge people by only what they say, but rather
try to put myself in their place and aspire to understand their
feelings.
I hope you would be able to do the same with everyone, starting by your
ownself, because only through that you could be able to understand your
feelings and act in a the manner you would aspire everyone to adopt.
Thanks for your time
NABIL
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr19.003221.11964@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
[Evan Pritchard writes:]
>> I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick,
>>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming
>>front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although
>>they were not great players themselves.
>
>Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than
>those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after
>him? [owner vs. player contributions deleted...]
>Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution
>or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the
>sport itself?
[stuff deleted...]
>The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and
>that is: "it is the players that are what make the game great and not the
>people who put them on the ice"
As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread
claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons.
Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his
was a "jingoistic rant", but you also supported the name-changing on the
grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals
they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I
think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all. Just an
observation...
However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of
changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for
the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names
based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice
and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not
think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of
people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway.
If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not
central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is
whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport'
would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to
play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to
builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although
it was the chicken.....)
>Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch
>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have
>always thought that this was nonsense.
Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though
his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up.
--
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1qpir1$762@slab.mtholyoke.edu> Jurgen Botz,
jbotz@mtholyoke.edu writes:
> I have a Laserwriter IIg that has disappeared completely from the
> Network, i.e. it's name doesn't show up in any zone. (You can print
> to it from it's serial interface, tho!) I have seen some discussion
> here about changing the zone a IIg is in... including some PS code
> that lets you change the zone. Is there maybe some PS code you can
> use to have it go back to all its factory default settings? I have
> a feeling that's what needed to heal ours.
The following postscript works for LaserWriter IIg's with version 2 roms
%!
0 serverdict begin exitserver
<< /FactoryDefaults true >> setsystemparams
systemdict begin
realtime 10000 add
{ dup realtime le { pop exit } if } loop
quit
Rob.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
: Just curious.
: Daemon
What he said...
--
TMC
(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <wb9omc.735430855@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>Duane
> Yeesh, you WILL be nailing those IRLEDs. May I suggest getting your
>mitts on the Siemens SFH484-2 IRLED? This unit is designed to take some big
>current pulses if you can get your duty cycle down a bit. It will output
>nearly a watt (975 mW) with REAL short duty cycle times.
>
>(nice thing about the SFH484-2 is that it is CHEAP. I got mine for about
>50 cents a piece, even though I had to buy 100 of them....)
Are you saying that you have some extras that you would like to do some cost
recovery on? I may be interested. I think for practical and cost reasons I
am limited to envelope detection so that leaves me with only increasing the
output power and increasing the optical gain at the receiver as methods to
extend range.
> BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest,
>6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company
>name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power,
>mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a
>1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals.
>If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the
>pertinent info.
Yes I'm interested in the company name. I have access to an extensive data
book collection. With that kind of power, are we getting into an area where
eye safety is getting to be a problem.
> Now, as for the position detector, you might try ELTEC in Florida.
>Phone number listed in the 92/93 ETID is 904-253-5328. They seem like
>nice people. Their specialty is passive infrared detection devices,
>so they might be able to help you out.
They are a long way from me but they might be a better source than I can find
around here.
> I'm curious about your applications if you don't mind saying.
>The device sounds like it could be useful in a lasertag game, although you'd
>need to up your carrier signal concept to 58.8 KHz......
I'm keeping my application confidential for now. Raising the frequency should
be no problem, in fact one respondent to my question said that I may not have
to mimic the 50% duty cycle normally used by IR detector chips.
--
Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca
(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
| 12sci.electronics |
David Downie (dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca) wrote:
:
: Speaking of Paddock--what's he doing slagging Sandlak? If Sandlak puts
: his mind to it, he can be a physical presence and waking him up might be a
: real mistake.
Isn't Sandbag out with an injury now anyways? Perhaps Paddock
meant to say that Momesso was the cheap short artist. After all, that
would make more sense.
--
___ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ______
/ ./ /_ /__/ /_ /_./ | | Wpg __// |_ | \
/_/ /__ / \ /__ / \ | | |__/ |_ | __/ in '93!
umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca <-> Computer Science <-> U of Manitoba
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr15.144826.4607@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:
>: >> >Just a thought of mine here:
>: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1
>: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V.
>: >> >On-hook = LED on
>: >> >Off-hook = LED off.
>: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know.
>: >>
>: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the
>: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook.
>: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current.
>: >
>: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an
>: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think
>: >there's something wrong with the cable.
>: >
>:
>: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when
>: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the
>: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on
>: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector.
>
>If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just
>make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but
>it's something like 100mA or more?)
Careful now folks... Also consider the 90VAC+ @20Hz that is forced on ring
and tip when the phone's supposed to ring! Even with a simple zener
and LED setup, you might end up with some carbon real quick. Whatever
scheme you use, make sure you've got at least 200V-rated components on
the frontend.
Also remember that, if I'm not mistaken, the phone line is a 600ohm
equivalent circuit. Any current you draw from the 48V or so gets
dropped across that 600ohms. That's fine until you're down to roughly
12V, when Ma Bell considers it to be off-hook. But dropping it that
far down is probably a big no-no.
The easiest implementation to accomplish the above??
tip ------->|-----\/\/\/\-----+----------+
rectifier resistor | |
diode | \
V /
zener /---/ \ resistor
| /
| |
| V LED
| ---
| |
ring --------------------------+----------+
This is only a suggestion...go ahead and blow holes in it, but you
get the idea. Choose a high-efficiency LED so you don't need much
current to get it to light up. Choose values for the other components
as required.
aaron
| 12sci.electronics |
I am working for a company which has only one connection to the Internet.
This is through a firewall gateway (unix workstation). I would like to be
able to telnet to a host outside the company and set the DISPLAY to my PC
which is running an X-terminal emulator (eXceed/W). The display can be set
to the gateway workstation with no problem but when I set the variable to
my IP address I get a "Error: Can't open display" message.
This can't be that hard to work around can it?
BTW I have no trouble running x-clients on local workstations (in the company)
and having them display on my PC.
--
Curtis Wahlgren
| 5comp.windows.x |
I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette.
Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that
can equilize/mix music? Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters &
a DSP compiler. A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Jing Chin
e-mail address:chin@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
>I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single
>line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as
>wrap at this university.
Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions
of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and
non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much
of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors.
The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and
even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL
charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA
commercialization centers; they charge a fee.
Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack
experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand
the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack
of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it
is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't
a flame, jsut a statement.
Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do.
>>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your
>>costing people how much fee they add to a project.
>I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that
>any percentage number like this is included in the overhead.
Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in
their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can
change depending on the customer.
>No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee
>of the Overhead capital of NASA.
Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead.
>Nothing that Reston does could not be dont
>better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on.
Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When
WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where
doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the
only place you would find people actually interested in solving the
problems and building a station.
>Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is
>at a place where everything is overhead.
When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that
integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part
of a successful large scale effort.
>Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally
>demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being
>selective with the facts again.
The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on
Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers
you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address
the problems until the press published the story.
Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address
the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns?
>If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost
>of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your
>"friend" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it
>for a billion a year "if the wrap were gone". This merely points out a
>blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.
You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for
resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying
is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport.
>Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going
>to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to
>do so.
I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of
Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed.
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |
| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
+----------------------60 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
| 14sci.space |
Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #015
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| . . . They beat up the husband, dragged the wife outside, |
| and stood her naked next to our burning things; her |
| husband was lying at her feet on the ground. The crowd |
| shouted, "Look at the naked Armenian!" They were going to |
| throw the poor woman into the fire...Mamma wouldn't allow |
| it but I went to the window and saw her standing there, |
| and they took skewers that had been heated in the fire |
| and stuck them into her body. |
| |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
DEPOSITIONS OF:
ZINAIDA POGHOSOVNA HAKOPIAN
Born 1937
Dispatcher
Kavkazenergoremont Electric Booster Station
Her daughters
GAYANE (GAYA) VAZGENOVNA HAKOPIAN
Born 1970
Orderly
Sumgait Municipal Hospital No. 1
DIANA VAZGENOVNA HAKOPIAN
Born 1978
Second-Year Student
Sumgait Secondary School No. 13
Residents at Building 21/31, Apartment 47
Microdistrict No. 3
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
-Zinaida: On March 20 we arrived in Yerevan, and the next day they registered
us at the train station and took us to the boarding house. The conditions were
wonderful, thanks to our Armenians, who received us. But it's not relaxing all
the same. I don't know how everyone else feels about it, but for me it's
torture. We don't have a place to call our own. I had a two bedroom apartment
in Sumgait, my children went to school and we lived well, in friendship. It's
painful that in our times, in 1988, in the Soviet period, people can break
into our apartment and try to kill me and my children, in whom I've put all my
efforts and my whole youth. Everything was going well for us: my older
daughter was studying at the Institute, the middle one was preparing to enter
medical school and was interning as an orderly, and my youngest had been sick
for a long time, but had returned to health. I have been though a lot in my
life: it's been seven years since I lost my husband, I raised my children by
myself. Lots of women have similar fates, but there's nothing to be done about
it. But I can't control myself when I remember what happened in Sumgait on
February 27, 28, and 29, it was just a horror, it's indescribable.
On February 27 our relative, Ira, came to visit us. She's better friends with
my oldest daughter, and so right away she asked, "Where's Vika?" I say,
"Vika's off in Pirkuli on a trip for three days, she's supposed to come back
tomorrow." My middle daughter, Gaya, had baked a cake and we sat there talking
and laughing, drinking tea. Then Gaya and Diana went to walk Ira home.
They left and a few minutes went by; suddenly I hear noise. I raced out to
the balcony--our balcony is right across from the bus station, we live at the
corner of Mir and Druzhba Streets--I look and see that there are hoards of
people near the bus station and they're all shouting something. What they're
shouting I can't understand. Our neighbor is standing on his balcony, too. I
ask, "Nufar, what's happened?" He says, "I don't know, I can't figure it out
either." I got scared--the kids had gone outside, and I wanted to run after
them, but then there was a knock at the door. I open the door and it's the
kids. "Mamma," says Gayane, "you'll never believe what's going on out there!
It's awful!" Ira says, "Aunt Zina, they're shouting, 'Karabagh! Karabagh!
Karabagh is ours!' We didn't know what was going on. They're threatening to
drive out the Armenians and slaughter them."
I called my brother, and his wife answered the phone. I said, "Aunt Tamara,
don't worry, Ira is staying here with us, and we'll see her home later." I
couldn't shut my eyes all night long, even until morning. I was worried about
Vika. My God, what was going on, what had happened?!
-Gayane: That day, on the 27th, we stood on the balcony and observed what was
happening, although Mamma wouldn't allow us to watch all of it. There weren't
50 yards between our building and the bus station. We could see and hear
everything perfectly. They were stopping buses, dragging people out, leading
all the passengers out, looking for Armenians. If they found an Armenian on
the bus, then it started . . .I don't know what to call it . . .
-Zinaida: It's called slaughter.
-Gayane: The mob would descend on people and beat them. I don't know if they
were killing them or not, but when they left them, they lay still, not moving,
as though nothing was left of them. One person was lying there and they
started dragging him. The police were standing right there, to the side, not
doing anything, they didn't take any steps to calm that mob.
It was awful to stand there and watch it all from the balcony. And you
couldn't go anywhere, somehow . . . you wanted to be able to see everything
so as to tell of it later. We wanted to leave Sumgait that day. What kept us
was the idea that we live in the Soviet Union, and that something would be
done about it. Where in the world was our government?!
-Zinaida: We couldn't leave town, of course, because our older daughter wasn't
home. And at the same time I was terrified for Gaya and Diana. On Sunday
morning when I went to see Ira home, our neighbor said, "Zin', you know they
went into Valodya's house and smashed everything he had. They murdered his
father and two sons." Valodya is our neighbor, he's an Armenian, he lives on
the first floor. I think, my God, what is happening?! And in broad daylight!
I saw Ira home and when on the way back I came across a mob shouting "Slay the
Armenians! Karabagh is ours!" This was at 12 o'clock in the afternoon. On the
way I stopped into a bread store and the saleswoman says, "They beat our store
manager, they thought he was an Armenian and they beat him, but he was an
Azerbaijani." And I asked, "Did they kill him?" She says, "No, he's in serious
condition." I left there and started to walk home on that same street, but the
mob started moving in my direction. I turned off the street and went down the
little way that goes toward the Sputnik store. There I met another crowd, but
these weren't bandits, these were our people from Sumgait. I was so frightened
that I walked without knowing where was going, I couldn't feel my legs or the
ground under my feet. I was walking and there was a boy standing before my
eyes. This was on the 27th, around evening time. He ran under our balcony, and
the mob surged toward him shouting, "He's an Armenian, get him!" He wore a
black coat. They grabbed him, that boy, near the bus stop, I saw it. They
grabbed him by the legs and struck his head on the asphalt.
I made it home but I just couldn't calm down. My oldest daughter was in my
thoughts. I was thinking, my daughter's coming home now, they'll stop her bus
and she'll be gone. There's no police, no protection, nothing. It's like they
had all died, there's no one, nothing, no authorities whatsoever. I can't even
find the words for it! I look and see an Ikarus arriving. Before going to the
bus station they stop near our place, across from the Kosmos movie theater. So
this Ikarus stops there and the gang is yelling, the Azerbaijanis are running
toward it yelling, "Armenians out!" And I see them take the Armenians and beat
them, killing them. I can't watch it any more. It was a nightmare. I just
couldn't watch it. But Gaya was standing there watching it, and I scolded her.
She says, "Mamma, I have to see it, I have to know what's happening, I have to
see it with my own eyes so I can tell our people of it later. So our children
will know."
Gayane: We saw a great deal on the 27th. They caught no less than 20 people
before my eyes. I can't say for sure if they killed them or not . . .
-Zinaida: There were too many people there, the mob was too big. You couldn't
make anything out. But I saw that boy in the black coat with my own eyes. He
was 18 or 19 years old.
-Gayane: I think he was older, probably, about 22. A tall fellow, a big guy,
in a coat. He was walking quickly, but when they shouted that he was an
Armenian, he tore off running. And the mob went after him. They caught him
right under our balcony. I don't know. I don't think there could have been
much left of him after that. You can imagine what happens when a crowd attacks
one person. It was a mob, big, angry, and featureless. You know, there was a
similarity in the way they were dressed, mostly they were wearing long black
coats. You couldn't even tell them apart, they were all wearing black and they
all looked alike.
-Zinaida: When they picked up that boy and struck him against the asphalt and
he cried "Mamma!" I ran into the room. I couldn't watch any longer. An awful
lot was going on right then, in various places, it wasn't only that boy,
several people were being beaten up. You couldn't see all of it at once, but
when that boy cried "Mamma!" I immediately started watching only him.
-Gayane: On that first day it went on from about six in the morning until
twelve at night. At midnight they dispersed and the police took their place.
They were scattered about in all districts. But how can you explain the fact
that by morning, when it had already started getting light, around seven
o'clock, our police were gone? The police disappeared and yielded their
positions to the bandits. In the morning they started gathering at our inter-
section again, at the bus station and at the entrance to downtown. From
morning on all the roads and mass transit stops were covered, and by nine
o'clock you couldn't even see the ground. There were thousands of people in
the crowd. Again they began stopping vehicles and checking for Armenians.
-Zinaida: They had signals. I realized that when I noticed that they made a
cross with their arms, they crossed their arms over their heads. The cross,
evidently, meant that the vehicle had Armenians in it. They let the
Azerbaijani cars through, and they stopped the Armenian ones and started
their pogrom.
-Gayane: They stopped a white Zhiguli and asked the driver what his
nationality was. He got out and said they were from Baku. "But what is your
nationality?" He says Armenian. They immediately start shouting, "Ermeni,
Ermeni!" And he says, "What's going on? I'm coming from Baku. I don't live
in Sumgait." "Doesn't matter, who cares if you're from Baku or Sumgait."
Anyway the crowd pounced on him and started beating him, and they dragged a
woman--his wife, probably--out of the car. At this point the police came and
took the two and led them away. Then the mob started smashing the car, and
then burned it. The flames blazed . . . it was a horrible fire! Then everyone
ran away, they thought the car was going to explode. About 20 minutes later
another car comes along, a green Moskvich. They ran up shouting "Ermeni!
Ermeni!" But this time they didn't pull the people out of the car, they didn't
beat them. Maybe they burned them along with the car, because no one emerged
from the flames. The neighbor boy Vakhit was standing on the balcony too,
acquaintances of his walked by below, and he asked them and they said, "Yes,
they burned them along with the car." About two hours later a whole wedding
procession came by, and there was a doll on the first car. We thought they
were Armenians, but the cars started to honk loudly. They were Azerbaijanis,
and they were immediately allowed through.
-Zinaida: The driver waved his hand as if to say 'get out of the way.' The
whole crowd parted and the procession passed through freely.
-Gayane: By the way, at the marriage hall, which is right in the courtyard
of our building, there was a wedding that day. The Azerbaijanis were cele-
brating and dancing. On the streets there was grief and death, people were
being killed, and people were celebrating the whole time.
-Zinaida: Before the apartment itself was attacked I asked Gaya to call and
find out when the tourist bus was supposed to arrive. She went to her
girlfriend's in the building, she lives in the first entryway, on the third
floor. Gaya came back and said, "Mamma, the bus is supposed to come around
eight, after eight." You can imagine what I was feeling, how hard it was:
Vika knew nothing about what was happening and was coming to meet her death.
Then I heard shouting. I raced to the window and see that the belongings of
our neighbors from the second entryway are being thrown outdoors. They were
thrashing about with the pillows and the feathers were lying like snow. I
started to cry. I am walking around the room, crying, wailing: Vika's not
here, what will come of her . . . Gaya, of course, was consoling me: "Mamma,
nothing will happen to her, don't worry, calm down, she's in good company,
they'll look out for her."
Diana: I saw the green car burn. The car was burning when we went out onto the
balcony. Gaya pushed me away, telling me to get off the balcony. I left. Then
they came up to the balcony and asked if there were any Armenians here.
-Zinaida: You're right, I forgot about that, that was on the 27th.
Diana: There's a small, grassy area in front of our balcony; there are trees
planted there. The mob asked if there were any Armenians in the building.
All the neighbors said, no, there are no Armenians here. There weren't a lot
of Armenians in our building, but there weren't just a few Armenian families,
either.
-Gayane: They fell upon the apartments on the 28th. There were terribly many
of them. Our courtyard is huge, and it was completely filled with them.
-Zinaida: Katusev had made an appearance on television earlier. He said that
two people, Azerbaijanis, had been killed in Karabagh. And when he said that
. . . you know how bees sound, have you heard how they buzz? It was like the
buzzing of millions of bees . . . and with this buzzing they flew into our
courtyard, howling and shouting. I don't know how to describe it. By this
point we were afraid to watch from the balcony, but when I looked out of the
bedroom window--the Znaniye Bookstore is down there, and Armenians live on the
second and fourth floors--I saw their things being thrown out the windows. I
realized that they would be upon us any minute. I shouted to Gayane, "Gaya,
hide the gold." That's honestly what I told my child. I grabbed Diana. I
didn't know what to do! Vika still wasn't home, and it was already getting
dark. I was afraid to look at the time because I was already horrified as it
was.
-Gayane: Just in case, we changed the television channel from the Moscow
station to the Azerbaijani one.
-Zinaida: And turned it up loud.
-Gayane: We never listened to Azerbaijani music. It just didn't do much for
us. In all those years we almost never listened to it. But sometimes we would
watch some entertainment show or film on Azerbaijani television. And that was
it. And here we had it turned up full blast. So they would think we were
Azerbaijanis.
-Zinaida: Well you can imagine, they're slaughtering Armenians, robbing them,
and we're listening to this concert music from Baku. Our Azerbaijani neighbors
suggested we do it, they knocked on the door and told Gaya to turn on
Azerbaijani music. But we already had it on anyway. Turn on the lights, they
told us, so they will think you're not Armenians. They're saying the Armenians
are afraid to turn on their lights, they're hiding.
-Gayane: Apparently there was some kind of arrangement, because we noticed
that the lights were off only in Armenian apartments, that is, the
Azerbaijanis were warned, and every last one of them had their lights on.
When we turned the lights off two of our neighbors came immediately, and
later, another one. "Turn on the lights," they told us, "please. Nothing will
happen. Be calm. Nothing will happen."
-Zinaida: "We won't allow them to come into your apartment."
-Gayane: We believed those people. We had never done anything bad to them.
-Zinaida: After the whole nightmare, about March 15, before we left for
Armenia, when I was coming into the building they were all crying. The
Azerbaijanis were crying, saying, "Can it be there is no God? How could
they raise their hands against your family? You never did anyone any harm,
you never refused anyone anything, not in hard times, or in time of fortune,
or in time of mourning. How could they give you away? How could they sell you
down the river?" They really had given us away. Some of them protected us, but
others gave us away. They sold us down the river.
-Gayane: I was wearing slacks that day, and when it all began I became
cautious for some reason and I changed my clothes. Azerbaijani women don't
wear pants. Young Armenian and Russian girls in Sumgait wore pants, but the
Azerbaijanis found that very strange. And I thought I better put on a skirt,
otherwise they won't believe me if I told them we were Azerbaijanis. There was
nothing else we could do. No other way out. I was forced to turn myself into
God knows who. I let my hair down, tousled it, and threw a scarf over my head.
-Zinaida: And she told me, "Mamma, you hide. Take Diana and go into the other
room. You two look more like Armenians. They'll figure out that we're
Armenians right away." But how could I go away and leave her there?!
-Gayane: I went out onto the balcony. It worked out better that way. We were
the only Armenian family in the fourth entryway. This gave us hope: we were
the only ones, the neighbors wouldn't let them in. They, the Azerbaijanis,
would fear for themselves and for their children. I looked and saw someone
crawling up on the balcony from below, it was easy to get up onto our balcony.
When we would lose the keys the neighbors would let up into their places and
we would crawl across onto our balcony and get in that way. So I turned around
and saw a guy with a knife on our balcony. He looks at me and shouts, "What
nationality are you here?"
-Zinaida: At the same time they were knocking on the door.
-Gayane: "What nationality are you?" he's shouting. Well at first I was
frightened, but then I got control of myself and answered in perfect
Azerbaijani, "You should be ashamed of yourself, asking a question like that.
Can't you see I'm an Azerbaijani? If I were an Armenian would I come out to
meet you face to face and look you in the eyes?" He looks at me and tells the
people with him, "Yes, Azerbaijanis live here." From below they tell him,
"Check it out, it can't be, they have to be Armenians." And he asks me again,
"What nationality are you?" I say, "Can't you see?" I started fuming. I could
not say anything else. "You're blind, that's for sure! You can yell all you
want, but that won't make us Armenians." I hear them breaking down our
door, and Mamma went toward the door. I say, "I don't have time to deal
with you, they're breaking down our door." 1 go to the door and ask, "Who is
it?" They answer, "Open up!" I say, "Wait, why are you breaking the door?
What's going on? I'm opening up." We never locked the lower lock, it was
broken, but now they had locked it out of fear, and I couldn't get it open. I
say wait, I'm looking for the key. I opened the door--it was almost broken
down already. I opened the door and they burst in. I say, "What's going on?
Why are you breaking down our door?"
-Zinaida: Then they started climbing in from the balcony. They're shouting,
"Why don't you open the door?" And I say, "Well you've already come in the
balcony." Then Diana sees their knives, runs into the bathroom, and closes the
door. Gaya cries out, "Mamma, Diana ran into the bathroom!" I ran to the door
and forgot that we were pretending to be Azerbaijanis, and said in Armenian:
"Diana, open the door!" Gaya tried to calm them down, and I'm shouting with
tears in my eyes for Diana to open the door.
-Diana I was sitting on the couch with my doll, Little Red Riding Hood. That
guy climbed in from the balcony with a big knife with a yellow handle. They
put it up to Mamma's stomach. I ran to the bathroom, opened the door, and
slammed it behind me. I was frightened, and started to cry. I shouted, "Mamma,
they want to kill you!" And then . . . then they started shouting, "Give us
your passports." And Gaya says, "What do you need passports for, we're
Azerbaijanis."
-Gayane: I tried to convince them that we were Azerbaijanis, I was trying
everything I could, I could get on my knees and plead. I could humble myself,
because at that moment I was worried about other lives than just my own. To be
honest I didn't care about anything else, as long as my little sister would
survive, her life and health had cost us so dearly! I tell them, "What, don't
you understand anything?" They started shouting, they were tremendously
excited, shouting with terribly loud voices, saying that in Stepanakert their
girls were being killed, raped, and tossed around with pitchforks. Why
shouldn't they do the same to us? I said, "Who's doing all that? Who is doing
it? Some Armenians! What does that have to do with us? Give me the knife, I'll
cut my own face." "Now you calm down," they tell me.
Zinaida: I told them, "Why didn't you deal with them there! There, in
Karabakh? Nothing has happened here, no one has been fighting here, not we
with the Armenians, nor they with us. Why didn't you give it right back to
them there? What've we got to do with this?" I got confused. I had been
saying that we were Azerbaijanis, but suddenly I started speaking as though
I were an Armenian, but they didn't notice. One of them was next to me,
with a knife at my breast. And he says to the others, "What pretty girls." He
meant Gaya and my 10-year-old Diana. I was terrified. Gaya started assuring
them that we were Azerbaijanis. One guy stood in the doorway and gave us bad
looks.
-Gayane: He demanded the passports. I said, "Young man, I don't have my
passport here." He says, "Let's have the passport, we won't believe you
without your passport." And one of them started hurriedly searching for
documents. They turned the wardrobe in the other room upside down, took the
picture off the wall, and started pulling the clothes off their hooks, yelling
and shouting, "Passport! Passport!" They all started yelling, there was so
much noise in the apartment. They were all shouting. My hair stood on end.
Suddenly I said, "Listen, my Papa died, 40 days haven't passed yet, we have a
Muslim household, we're in mourning, you should be ashamed of yourselves,
you've disgraced your honor." And then Mamma started to cry.
-Zinaida: I started crying: "My husband died, 40 days haven't yet passed,
aren't you ashamed of yourselves!" In fact my husband had died seven years
earlier, in 1981. "We're in mourning, and you burst in here demanding docu-
ments. The documents are at the housing office, I'm filing for my pension."
Well it seemed like they believed us. Then one guy said, "They're Lezgins.
Can't you see, there are no men here, only women. Leave." Another fellow in
the group agreed with him, he also said that we were Lezgins. But a third
said, "No, they're Armenians." Well the other two convinced him, I don t know
how, and all the rest of them listened to them too. There were about 50 of
them, if not more, all in our three-room apartment, even the entryway was
filled. They started leaving. Yes, we're Lezgins, we're Lezgins." They started
leaving, and one of them took our tape recorder with him. And the one who had
first called us Lezgins says, "Leave that, what are you doing?" They seemed to
obey that guy.
-Gayane: He was tall, wearing baggy jeans and a coat.
-Zinaida: With a little moustache, I think.
-Gayane: No, he didn't have a moustache, he was tall with brown hair, he
wasn't a bad-looking sort. He didn't have anything in his hands.
-Zinaida: He stood at the threshold.
-Gayane: Yes, he didn't look like a bad guy, and you know, his face seemed
familiar to me. I had seen him somewhere. And more than once. But I can't
remember where. When he came in I was stupefied, I had a premonition that he
wouldn't be able to remain indifferent. When he said that we were Lezgins and
that they should leave, such gladness started to glow inside of me. Hope. They
continued to argue on their way out. Some said, "They're Armenians all the
same." And that fellow answered, "even if they are Armenians, it's shameful,
the father died, they're mourning, there's nothing but women in the house,
there's no men. We should stay out of the apartment." "What do you mean, stay
out? We can go in there!" And he said, "No, we should stay out, they're
Lezgins, we're leaving here." The three of them protected us.
-Zinaida: No, the two of them. The one in the short coat and the one in the
grey suit, who stood at the threshold, about 19 or 20 years old. Well they
were all young really. The two of them defended us.
-Diana: Three, three!
-Zinaida: Do you remember the third one, Diana?
-Diana: Yes, he was wearing dark clothes.
-Gayane: The third one was the one who came back. He wore a long brown coat.
-Diana: He wore a long, darkish brown coat, and his hair was dark too. When
they left, they told him downstairs that those women were Armenians, and ran
back and said that they were going to kill us.
-Zinaida: They had all left, and we had started to calm down a little, and I
closed the door. And then there is a knock. I told Gaya, "Take Diana and go
into the other room." My daughters went into the dining room, and I opened the
door. There was a guy there who said, "Run, hide! They're coming to kill you
now!" We ran up to the third floor. We had some good neighbors up there,
Azerbaijanis. I sent the kids and stood there alone, not knowing what to do.
I was so far gone . . . Out of a whole room I couldn't even think of anything
to take. I even forgot to take my work documents; at the time I had been
preparing a report to send to Baku, and the documents were at home. I couldn't
see anything . . . I could only see Vika, my older daughter. I sent Gaya and
Diana upstairs, and stood there asking that fellow, "Should I close the door
and leave everything like this?" He says, "What do you mean, door? Get out of
here, they're coming to kill you! What are you standing there for?" And I ran
after the children.
-Gayane: We barely had time to get up to the third floor when they burst into
our apartment and started shouting, "Where are the Armenians?" We were already
at the neighbors'. They had an infant at the time, and the neighbor said,
"Don't you worry, I'm not letting anyone in this apartment no matter what."
-Zinaida: On the third floor there I started asking the folks, our neighbors,
to go meet Vika. The bus was due to arrive at eight o'clock. I dissolved in
tears, Gaya was soothing me, Diana was next to us, she was crying too, and I'm
already thinking that I've lost my older daughter, but deep in my heart I
still believe she's alive . . . And my tears choked me. I was going out of my
mind. But no one could leave the building, the courtyard was packed with
people, swarming with them. From the balcony the neighbor in whose apartment
we were hiding asked the bandits, "Where are those Armenians, the ones who
were at home? Where did they make off to?" They told him they didn't know.
They asked him where he lived. He answered, "Can't you see, on the third
floor." He asked them specially to divert attention from his own apartment. We
heard them taking free reign of our apartment, and they threw our color
television off the balcony and it exploded.
-Gayane: Mamma was crying the whole time. She fell into a faint and we brought
her around and held her back, because the whole time she kept making for the
door to go outside, alternately raving and sobbing, shouting, and calling
Vika. She didn't notice us, probably because we were next to her. Her thoughts
were only on Vika. The neighbors who were hiding us were calming her too,
offering tea.
-Zinaida: We are very grateful to them. Thanks to them my children and I are
alive, well, and unharmed. When they were throwing our belongings out and
burning them--the beds, the pillows, and the chairs--our neighbor came to us
and said, "How lucky you are that it's not you standing there naked, but some
other woman instead. You're from our part of the building you lost your
husband, you have children, thank God you're not in her position, we wouldn't
have been able to take it. I don't know what I would do." He of course
wouldn't have done anything, he was just trying to calm us down. In the yard
they were torturing our neighbors, fellow Armenians They lived on the fifth
floor, in the third entryway. A married couple, Vanya and Nina, and their
three children. Their last name is V. They hid their two daughters, and stayed
with their son to defend themselves, they even got boiling water ready, and an
axe, and held them off for a long time, but the . . . They beat up the
husband, dragged the wife outside, and stood her naked next to our burning
things; her husband was lying at her feet on the ground. The crowd shouted,
"Look at the naked Armenian!" They were going to throw the poor woman into the
fire. The neighbors came out, an Azerbaijani woman threw her a scarf, and she
covered herself with it, and the neighbors led her off to their apartment.
All the neighbors saw and heard it . . .
-Gayane: Mamma wouldn't allow it but I went to the window and saw her standing
there, and they took skewers that had been heated in the fire and stuck them
into her body. Our neighbor, who lived in the same entryway as Nina--she
lives with us in the same boarding house now--saw what they had done, Nina
showed her, from her knees up, almost up to her neck, her whole body was
covered, riddled, with wounds.
-Zinaida: In the morning, during the night of the 29th, rather, after one
o'clock, two buses approached the station. I wanted to run out. By then I
didn't care any more if I lived or died, but Gayane wouldn't let me go, and
the neighbors said that I would bring disaster to them and they would be
slain along with their children. Gaya was crying and said that I forgot about
them, my other children, but I could only think of Vika. I imagined her torn
to pieces, I'm a mother, and they're just children, they don't understand I
would have jumped off the balcony and run to the soldiers for help. I was
going to do it but Gayane wouldn't let me: "Mamma, please! Mamma, I beg of
you!" The neighbors were sleeping and Gayane woke them with her cries. So we
held on that way till morning.
On the morning of the 29th I told our neighbor I was going to go downstairs to
our apartment, maybe Vika was lying there, murdered. He told me he would go
himself. He was gone for about five minutes, but it seemed like an eternity to
me. He returned and said there was no one there, nothing. I went down too,
stole down like a mouse, and slipped in everything was thrown all about. I
didn't go to the soldiers because the armored personnel carriers were far
away, farther than the bus station. I began looking for the briefcase with my
work in it. I was miserable because of my daughter, and at the same time
because of my work. My documents were there, my travel papers--I worked in the
transport division -- and my trip sheets.
-Gayane: Mamma is a very responsible person, she was always ready to work
around the clock to do her job.
-Zinaida: I look around and I can't find the briefcase. I didn't care about
the fact that everything had been stolen out of all three of my rooms, that
everything was smashed, and the furniture was broken, I worried about that
later, but at first I was concerned about the lost documents. I went into the
kitchen. My daughter had hidden some valuables in the gas stove: my ring and
my earrings. It was all there. Five minutes passed and Gayane ran in and said,
"Mamma, hurry." And Diana came downstairs too. Gayane found her coat among
the debris, and Diana found her track shoes, her coat, and some of her
dresses.
-Diana: Immediately after we got back up to the neighbors they started
throwing things around in the apartment under us. They threw a television onto
the asphalt, it exploded so violently it sounded like a thunderclap. Then,
when Vika wasn't there, I wouldn't eat, and they forced me, but I couldn't
eat. Because I loved Vika terribly and she and I had always gone to the movies
and gone for walks in the park. When we went into our apartment the next day
and everything was broken, right away I started looking for my dolls and my
books, but I didn't see anything. When we went back upstairs I managed to take
two cups from my tea service, and Gaya took Vika's suit and one of her own
dresses. My Italian boots were gone, my brown coat, it was beautiful, there
wasn't a one of my beautiful dolls, and my giant lion was gone too, the one
that had been on top of the television. He was very large and very handsome.
I had two satchels, one for first grade and the other for second grade, one
was yellow-green with a boy and a girl on it, they're playing a drum and a
violin, and there is a dog sitting there closing its ears, and on the other
one were the letters A, B, C, D, E and the numbers 4+5, two girls and a boy
with their mouths open like they are singing. They were beautiful satchels.
They were gone too. I had many books, I collected them, they were in the
bedside tables. And a boy had given me a little apron and a headband for my
birthday, they weren't around either. And I had some big books, fat ones, and
they disappeared, only one was left, The Malachite Box. The Adventures of
Karlson, Pippi Longstockings, and Fairy Tales of the World were left. All the
other books were gone.
-Zinaida: I continued searching for my briefcase, and then my supervisor
arrived. He had waited for me until nine o'clock, but I didn't appear, and he
thought something must have happened, so he came. He's a Russian, Aleksei
Semyonovich Lomakin. Alik Aliyev, the mechanic, came with him. When they saw
my wrecked apartment they were just petrified, they could not say a thing.
When I saw them I started crying. My Azerbaijani neighbors came in. Some of
them were crying, others were helping me pick up. I go on looking for my
documents and at the same time put things into the wardrobe. Now that I
remember it it's both funny and painful: How could I have thought that I had
returned to my apartment and that everything had gone back to normal?
Incidentally, later, when I went back to the apartment again those things were
gone too. And the door was gone. After my supervisor left, in the afternoon,
the neighbor said that we should leave, find another refuge. "I'm afraid," he
said, "that someone saw you come to my apartment, and that they could kill you
and us too. My God, where could I go it was daytime and those . . . I don't
even know what to call them, the bandits, those marauders, those jackals, I
don't know what to call them, I can't find the words, they were everywhere.
Where should I go with two girls? When I opened the door I had tears in my
eyes, and I was terrified . . . And he said, "Go to Alik's, he's an
Azerbaijani, too." and I say, "You should have said that earlier, when my
supervisor was here with the car, he could have taken us with him." Everyone
feared for their own lives. What could I do? I went out into the entryway and
stood. And he says, "any other time I would keep you here a year, or two. But
right now, I'm sorry . . . " Then another door opened, also on the third
floor. I ask the neighbor, "Tayara, can we hide at your place?" She's an
Azerbaijani too. She says, "What kind of question is that? Come in!" She hid
us. There were many people in the courtyard, and Gaya and I hid in the
wardrobe, and they put Diana under a mattress, leaving a small opening so the
child could breathe. Tayara said that when the bandits left she would let us
out, and when they came back she would hide us again.
We sat in the wardrobe for about a half hour. Gaya became ill, and I allowed
her to get out. My legs fell asleep and felt like cannons. We hadn't eaten or
drunk anything for so long, since the 27th, when we saw that horror--and all
of it just snapped in me. Tayara's husband went outside, even though I begged
him to stay, saying there should be a man in the house. He said that he'd be
in the courtyard, and if anything happened his wife would signal him. She put
her passport and all of their documents on the table so if they suddenly came
in she could show them that they were an Azerbaijani family. My girls went to
the window--and what was going on out there! I feared for my children, that
someone would recognize them from the street. Gaya let her hair down and put
on a scarf so she would resemble an Azerbaijani, but directly across there was
a 9-story building, their windows were right across from us, and I shouted
that someone would see her and give us away on the spot. But she kept on
looking.
-Diana: I watched too.
-Zinaida: Downstairs the bandits were fighting with the soldiers. The soldiers
didn't shoot, they didn't have orders to. I saw them throwing rocks at
the soldiers, they were young boys, 18- and 19-year olds, and they defended
themselves . . . I'm a mother after all, and they were no different from my
children. When one of the soldiers fell and his head started bleeding I had to
stop looking, l couldn't watch anymore . . . I imagined my children in their
shoes . . .
-Gayane: The troops had assumed their defense that morning and had cordoned
off the buildings, and some of the soldiers surrounded the bus station, Block
36, and our Microdistrict 3. But they only cordoned them off from the outside.
The mob fell upon the soldiers, who started to protect themselves, and the mob
surged into the courtyard with the soldiers after it. They caught several
Azerbaijanis and started beating them with their clubs. One fell down and they
cracked open another's head . . .
-Zinaida: They show Lebanon on television, and the war in Afghanistan--that's just
what it was like. Like in America, how they attack demonstrations with shields
and clubs--that's just how it was in our courtyard.
-Gayane: Don't compare it with America, those were peaceful demonstrations,
but these?!
-Zinaida: But how could it happen here and not off somewhere in America! They
attacked the soldiers, hurled stones at them . . . Then I thought, where's the
tear gas that the Americans use to disperse demonstrators? If they had used
gas on those jackals they all would have scattered.
-Gayane: They would not have scattered. The soldiers had been there since
morning, they didn't bring in fresh troops. They hadn't eaten, they were fine
standing there for about three hours, but then they got tired. They weren't
even allowed to sit down . . . At noon they, the soldiers, attacked them, and
then the tables were turned. The mob went after the soldiers, the guys were
bunched into a group in the center street and covered themselves with their
shields, and the Azerbaijanis surrounded them and threw paving stones at them.
And those guys sat there covering themselves with their shields. And meanwhile
tanks with machine guns were cruising the streets . . . They always say, "Our
children have never seen war." I never even dreamed about it, there was no
need to. But then I thought about those people who had lived through a war. It
was truly horrible . . . The guys were tired, exhausted, some had had their
clubs taken away, others, their shields, they had been beaten, they were
covered in blood . . . so many died! They beat the soldiers with their own
clubs and shields. And those guys stood there and couldn't defend themselves,
they couldn't open fire. They couldn't even defend themselves, let alone us.
It's comical . . .
-Zinaida: What are you saying? How can it be funny?
-Gayane: No, I didn't mean that: How could something like that happen during
our Soviet period? It's painfully embarrassing! And they burned the armored
personnel carriers, too. Someone shouted, "Get away, it's going to blow!"
Everyone scattered away, and the armored personnel carrier exploded. The
soldiers lost their senses. And when they drove the personnel carrier and the
bus at the mob out of rage and fury, they drove right up on the sidewalk.
-Zinaida: The bus that had brought the troops. Only the driver was in it. The
bus ran over three people straight off, I saw it. And two armored personnel
carriers ran over four more. All in one or two minutes. The bus ran over
three, one of the carriers ran over two, and the second, two more. Right on
our street there's a dry cleaners and appliance and watch repair places; one
of the armored personnel carriers went that way, and they say it ran over
several over there, too. But they ran over seven before our eyes. Then the bus
ploughed into a book kiosk.
-Gayane: No, that was a flower place. It was a new booth. He drove straight
into it.
-Zinaida: The driver jumped out and they dragged the vehicle out to the
middle of the road and set it on fire.
-Gayane: And I also saw the troops put a bunch of Azerbaijanis in a bus and
take them in a convoy to Baku. There were many arrests.
-Zinaida: Our neighbor, the one who hid us, couldn't take it, and he told his
wife that we should leave. They were running around in the courtyard looking
for the Armenians. They knew that they were hiding with Azerbaijanis, and they
were saying that they were going to check the Azerbaijani families. Poor
Tayara got scared too, and started to cry; I pleaded with her, I said that I
would remember forever how she saved my children and me, but where could we
go?
-Gayane: She didn't make us leave, she said that she would do anything, but
she was afraid.
-Zinaida: I told Tayara that we would just stay a little longer and that at
night we would return to our apartment. Then her husband came back and said
that a curfew had been imposed. He says, "Zina, you owe us a drink. Gorbachev
announced a curfew." And Bagirov [First Secretary of the Communist Party of
Azerbaijan SSR] was on television, he said that two people had been killed in
Karabagh, but nothing was wrong, automobile windows had been broken, but there
hadn't been any killings. He kept making statements, and there were
Azerbaijani songs and dances. Tayara turned the TV all the way up. When we
learned of the curfew we calmed down, but then a crowd ran into the courtyard
again, a large one. Our neighbor told them that there had been only one
Armenian family here, but they had already killed them all, there was no one
left. We hid in the wardrobe again. and they stuck Diana back under the bed.
-Gayane: Tayara went down to our apartment to see what was happened there, and
found two bandits. They asked her, "What are you doing here" Tayara answered,
"I came to take something for myself." "Take all you want, they're gone now."
-Zinaida: Yes, she had wanted to get something for us, at least some bedding.
She said, "What are you going to do, empty handed, naked, with three children,
nothing remains of your entire apartment." In short, we calmed down, and the
crowd raced off to the other building, the one across from us. I don't know
what went on there.
-Gayane: The curfew had its effect on the gangs, many started to disperse:
they were warned that they would open fire on them. The soldiers didn't know
the city, they couldn't get oriented, they drove up and down the main streets,
but didn't go into the courtyards. When we were at the City Party Committee
they asked people from Sumgait to go with them and show them the way.
-Zinaida: The tanks entered the city on the night of the 29th.
-Gayane: No, Mamma, the tanks had been there earlier, but were near the City
Party Committee, where the Armenians were . . . After midnight, on March 1,
when I had finally gotten to sleep after two sleepless nights, Mamma said,
"Get your things together, they have sent buses for us." As it was we had been
dressed the entire time. Mamma went to check it out . . .and came back for us.
-Zinaida: When I came back for the children Tayara said that Vika was alive
and well, some guys had come and told her that they had hidden her in a safe
place. I both believed it and didn't believe it. We ran out to the tanks. The
Gambarians were there, Roman and Sasha; their father, Shurik, the clarinetist,
was killed, and their mother was there. Sasha came over and asked about the
girls. I was surprised, how did he know my girls? He said that he knew me and
the girls. Our neighbor himself went for Gaya and Diana and it seemed like he
was taking forever so I went after him. Another neighbor came out, Anna
Vasilyevna, a Russian: "Zinochka, my dear, goodbye and good luck." She kissed
Diana. They put us in the bus and the captain gave the order for us to be
taken to the City Party Committee. The bus wouldn't start, so they put us on
another one. It was pouring rain.
-Diana: When they imposed the curfew there were many soldiers on the streets,
and they all had clubs and shields. And when the Azerbaijanis attacked them,
many of the soldiers died. They threw paving stones--huge rocks--at the
soldiers. I saw this myself. The soldiers ran over those Azerbaijanis with the
tanks. The soldiers saw that the Azerbaijanis were doing violence to people
and they ran over them out of rage. We got scared and they hid me under a
mattress and a blanket, and Gaya and Mamma crawled into the wardrobe. And they
were fighting right down there on the street . . . Near the building they were
blowing up buses and tanks, and cars were burning, and there were many dead in
the courtyard. They drove without looking to see if it was a sidewalk or a
street, they just drove, and the ones who didn't manage to get out of the way
were run over by the tanks. And when we left--it was evening, it was already
dark--there were three buses, and one of them had soldiers in it. Mamma ran up
and said, "Get your clothes on, let's go." Gaya was wearing slippers, and I
had on my blue dress, but it was an old one. I was wearing my old jacket, my
old dress, and slippers. And nothing else. Gaya had on a skirt, her Angora
sweater, and slippers. It was raining hard, and there were puddles on the
street. They gave Mamma an old coat because she was wearing a short-sleeved
dress; she put it on and we ran out. We got onto the bus and I was hungry, one
of the soldiers from Yerevan gave me rations and carried me from one bus to
the other in his arms. I gave him the little glass that remained from Vika's
trousseau, and he gave me his telephone number.
-Gayane: In the bus there was a soldier with a shield sitting at every window.
We had to be ready for anything. They took us to the City Party Committee, let
us out, and then took us into the City Party Committee building under armed
guard. It was jammed with people and you couldn't breathe. We asked, "Are
these all us? Armenians?" They answered yes. We were surprised that there were
so many Armenians in Sumgait. All those years we lived there and didn't know
there were so many Armenians, 18,000. We were struck by that, we had never
noticed. Going downstairs the next day I ran into the Secretary of the
Komsomol from Vika's plant, the Khimprom. He said that Vika was alive and
well. When I told Mamma she of course calmed down some more. But you know,
after all that it was hard to believe anything, our faith in everything was
just gone. She didn't believe it completely.
-Zinaida: I didn't believe it because I had heard all kinds of things. When
we arrived at the City Party Committee we heard everything imaginable! It
was the fear of God. I saw many of our acquaintances, they were kissing each
other and asking how their children and homes were. Many people already knew
that there had been a pogrom of our apartment. They had seen the broken
windows. I cried, saying that I didn't know where Vika was. One woman said
that they had taken two of her daughters and that she couldn't find one of
them; the other had been slashed all over. A second said that her husband and
her son had been murdered. That was Nelli Aramian. She lived in Building 6 in
our microdistrict. They killed her husband, Armo, and her son Artur. I heard
so many things like that that I was already starting to lose touch; my
patience had run dry waiting for my daughter. Later an Azerbaijani fellow came
to me and said, Aunt Zina, Vika sent me, she's alive and well and hidden in a
safe place; if you want I'll call her there and you can speak with her. We
went downstairs to the first floor and he called Vika. I spoke with her, heard
the voice of my child. She had managed to survive in that hell. Then I started
begging that Azerbaijani to bring her to the City Party Committee. He tried to
talk me out of it: "I'll bring her wherever you go, don't worry, I've looked
after her better than a brother does a sister." All the same I asked him to
get her. He brought her and I calmed down. On the second day there was a
meeting with Demichev [Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the
Communist Party of the USSR,] and people started shouting. One shouted, "Give
me my son back!", another yelled, "Where is my daughter?!", a third wanted her
husband . . . Bagirov was there too, and he stood there blinking, not saying
anything.
-Gayane: When Demichev asked where we wanted to go, everyone shouted, "To
Russia!" To be honest we were all frightened of Armenia, there were such wild
rumors it was as though we were in a terrible dream, and no one wanted to go
to Armenia. But he said that he couldn't evacuate 18,000 people to Russia and
that he would meet with everyone individually the next day and speak with
them. And he also said that today he was going to go look at all of our
apartments. On March 3 we went to the military barracks in the village of
Nasosny. We were taken care of marvelously by the military. They sent special
flights of children right from there to Minvody, Yerevan, and Moscow. One
woman left for Moscow with a letter for Gorbachev and Gromyko.
-Zinaida: The worst was truly behind us by then. Everything had passed, but
the pain will remain for our whole lives. It cannot be forgotten. Under no
circumstances should we, our children, or our grandchildren forget. Who will
answer for those who died? For our mothers, sisters, brother, sons and
daughters? Who will bear the responsibility? Who will wash away their blood?
Someone should be made to answer, and severely, so it has an effect on the
people that did with us as they pleased . . . It isn't over yet, now we live
here, in Armenia, protected, but the issue isn't resolved. We would like
to stay in Armenia, in our homeland, so that all the Armenian people will be
united. Then we will be invincible. Armenians won't be scattered throughout
the Soviet Union, about the world, and if we're all together this won't happen
again. As a mother of three children, as a woman, as a sister, I ask Armenians
to be united so that what happened in Sumgait will never happen again. Our
homeland . . . The only request we have is that we be helped in obtaining an
apartment and getting jobs. So that our children can work for the good of
Armenia. If we aren't able to, then let our children do it. And if it's
possible, we'll work for the good of Armenia too. This is the land of our
forefathers. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived here too, it was
only later that people dispersed all over. Like a mother, the land here bore
and reared us. It is our wife, and will protect us, too. I want but one thing:
that our people never see the hardship that our children saw, that your
children here, in Armenia, never see anything like it.
May 28, 1988
Yerevan
- - - reference - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 187-203
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
> Chances are the government has thought of this, and "just anyone" won't
> be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a "fake" clipper
> chip.
Once the chips are released (in phones, or whatever), they are vulnerable to
phsyical inspection and observation. Now, I will grant that there will no
doubt be safeguards against "peeling" the chip, but the NSA has no monopoly
on cleverness. The chip, and the algorithms it uses, will not remain secret
for very long. Any university with a VLSI lab has the required equipment, as
does any offshore semiconductor manufacturer.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993May18.234042.4519@informix.com> jerry@doodles.informix.com writes:
>I have the startrek version of afterdark running but it nearly always
>reports "space: out of memory", which floats across the top of the
>screen. What have I not set correctly (I've got 16M of ram)?
>
>jerry
You're right, it doesn't appear to working correctly. It really
should say:
"space: the last frontier"
across the top. :) :) :)
--
John A. Grant jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr19.144358.28376@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com writes:
:I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me
:intravenous Acyclovir.
:
:It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about
:how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral?
:
I think some essential information must be missing here, i.e., you must be
suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression. There is
no indication for IV acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy
person. The oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms, and may
even help prevent the development of post-herpetic neuralgia, but I
certainly would not subject someone to IV therapy without a good reason.
To address your more general question, IV therapy does provide higher and
more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug. For treating a
serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is
getting adequate drug levels.
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Bill Conner (bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote:
: If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then
: He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His
: existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality).
Thus, god does not _really_ exist. How true. This claim would
lend substantial support to the notion that religions are actually
seamless virtual realities.
Does god exist or not? To us, this question is a true dichotomy.
Can god know a reason for her existence? If she is omniscient, then
she must know this. There is a philosophical problem whether anything
can exist without a time frame - for instance, if it were possible to
observe our universe from 'outside', in the neverness surrounding
this universe, it would never have existed.
Thus, we are faced with a trilemma:
1) God 'meta-exists', and from this meta-existing perspective she
created existence, the Universe and everything.
This implies that the universe was not actually formed of nothing, which
is precisely what many theories of cosmogenesis (Lizhi & Shuxian:
Creation of the Universe) say. This 'nothingness' is not empty enough,
it is not the transcendental nothingness where there is no existence,
until (there is no 'when' yet, but never mind) god, the source of
all existence, started to play. I fail to see the difference between
these two forms of nothingness, though. If there isn't one, it might
be god is not necessary for creation.
It is obvious that the levels of 'meta-existence' are not necessarily
limited to god, there might be a 'meta-god' on some other level.
2) God exists, and has always existed (she has a timescale, which
is different from our own). This sounds sensible, but it is difficult
to conceive how she could know why she exists - a being which
has always existed, and is infinitely conscious of itself, can
remember that she has always been the same, and perhaps know herself
completely, but she cannot know why she exists, and how she knows
everything she knows. Would a knowledge of how a being with a
personality (a subjective viewpoint) knows everything be this
being's knowledge? A conscious being conscious of everything is
actually a contradiction in terms - it means that god is only
conscious of herself, since we, and the whole universe, are
already incorporated in her mental models, thoroughly modelled.
Actually, a conscious being conscious of only itself is not
conscious at all.
3) God is herself the Existence. This is nothing more than an Orwellian
redefinition of the word existence. A logical consequence of this
statement is that god is actually _all_ existence. I think this is
also called a form of pantheism.
: If this
: being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has
: defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed,
: He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically
: self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an
: objective sense.
In a reality god is supposed to have created, I cannot believe in
her, is that my fault or the creator's fault? God gave me freedom
of choice, but nevertheless knows what I will opt for, is it fair
play on her side?
If god has a conscious mind, in any sense, she has a point of view.
I'd say she is entitled to her opinions about me, but I still insist
that any harm she might attempt to do to me will be met with
resistance and disapproval.
: If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective.
No, an objective standard means something independent on _any_
subjective viewpoint, _including_ god's point of view.
: If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that
: standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative
: morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous,
: meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to
: misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to
: meet that standard is therefore objectively determined.
What standard? My morality (and my conscience) disagrees with the
'standards' of the Bible. Which one to ignore? How to interpret
any divine standard? There is a great discrepancy even among
Christians on this. For instance, the Bible does not condemn
female homosexuality - why many Christians do, thinking god doesn't
accept it anyway?
Bill, to reject a concept of any objective morality does not make the
term nebulous. Morality is the subjective aspect of societal behaviour,
something we can change, and something that _must_ change when
societies change. It might be some basic concepts are hard-wired
in our brains by evolution, but in the end, we must decide ourselves.
I don't think people need religion to keep them moral;
thinking goes beyond threat of punishment.
: Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is
: infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself
: doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural
: norm, or the preferred conduct of "decent" people, making it seem
: subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard.
I've yet to see an objective standard that is
a) universally applicable (today and tomorrow)
b) universally acceptable (not against our own concepts of what is
moral and what isn't)
: Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true
: nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being
: contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as
: much to our amoral inclinations as to the standard itself, but like it
: or not, it's there.
I don't think Christian morality is of a particularly high standard,
although it is probably a reflection of high morals of the time,
and much of it is still applicable. The problem is that I can't
agree with it all. This is not a question of comforting my
conscience with a thought that "I won't be responsible with what
I do", as Christians would put it. My conscience is in an irreconcilable
conflict with the Bible on homosexuality, Paul's idea of women's
role in marriage etc... and the whole idea that I should believe
in someone I got no help from in this task.
Petri
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>
>The NRA supports anyone who's pro-gun and has a chance of winning
>election, regardless of their other positions. Is it their fault that
>some drug-legalizers are anti-gun? Is it their fault that the
>drug-legalizers who are pro-gun can't get elected?
It's not the NRA's fault; but it is something to consider if you are
considering contributing to the NRA. If candidate B is a complete asshole
whose only saving grace is that he opposes unnecessary restrictions on
firearms, I wouldn't want my membership dues funding efforts to get him
re-elected.
I have other problems with the NRA (as an organization; the individual
members I've met have been loyal, trustworthy, honest, brave, etc.,
especially my boss who probably reads this newsgroup B->); they are
definitely pro-hunting, and I recall seeing a pro-Desert Storm NRA bumper
sticker. Sometimes they come on too strong in the political arena, which
contributes to their reputation as "bad guys" amoung many people.
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"What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe
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less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her
sweetness and respecting her seniority." -- E.B. White
| 16talk.politics.guns |
prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>...
>4) we know it's not real close, like slightly extra solar, because
>we have no parallax measurements on the bursts.
We can only say that they are beyond about 25 AU, due to the low
accuracy of position determination by single detectors.
>what i am wondering, is this in people's opinion, A NEW Physics problem.
>Einstein got well known for solvingthe photoelectric effect.
>Copernicus, started looking at irregularities in planetary motion.
>Is this a big enough problem, to create a new area of physics?
>just a little speculative thinking folks.
It may be a NEW Physics problem (i.e. a problem involving new
physics). However, the data is not good enough to rule out the >100
models which use old physics. New physics is a big step, and is only
tolerated when there is no alternative. For example , the Dark Matter
Problem (there's more to the universe than meets the eye) is a question
of comparable mystery to GRBs, but we have much better data regarding
it. Theoreticians postulate new particles all the time to explain it,
but no one will actually believe that these particles are real until an
experimentalist (or several) detects them in the lab.
--
David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov
| 14sci.space |
In article <3FB51B6w165w@jupiter.spk.wa.us> pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) writes:
>I read that hormonal fluctuations can contribute to migraines, could
>taking supplemental estrogen (ERT) cause migraines? Any information
I'm not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level.
Taking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women.
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| 13sci.med |
I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1
but though all the applications display the font correctly on the
screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly
(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer).
When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume
CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer.
But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square
boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does
display the font correctly on the screen.
I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere.
All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print
exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font
has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that????
Appreciate any help....
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
I have a few italian made stering silver necklace for sale.
size are 20" , 24" or 26"(?)
I have it as low as 2.00$+shipping(less than .29cents)
rope design necklace weight around 9 grams 20" for 9.00$ or so.
rope desgin necklace weight around 25 gram 20" for 17.00$ or so.
I only have a few left.
please respond ASAP.
thnx
tatsuya
| 6misc.forsale |
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have
for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he
start Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and
the way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not
to mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when
Lefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that
just because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is
twice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one
of the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all
day, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie
Harris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while
Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in
baseball.
A dishard Cub fan
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
>>Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration
>>of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for
>>gun owners.
>
> The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are
>significant difference between making rules for *use on public property*
>and *making rules for ownership*.
>
> The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this
>have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and
>have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are
>never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for
>a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York,
>Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun
>owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the
>numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that
>intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of
>the next person who comes down the pike with a "reasonable" suggestion
>they've already seen abused.
Gun safety classes sound good in theory, but they kind of remind me of
the "literacy tests" used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting.
They came with the "grandfather clause": if your grandfather could vote,
you could vote. Sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the
political ass-kissers have guns.
Doug Holland
| 16talk.politics.guns |
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Ten questions about Israel
Ten questions to Israelis
-------------------------
I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to
provide
accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are
indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by
people around me.
1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize
Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens
must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as
Israelis ?
2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders
and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to
state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be
?
3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,
could you provide any evidence ?
4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of
individuals which were tried in secret and for which their
identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are
state secrets ?
5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied
territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews?
6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48
to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their
Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ?
7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed
an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in
Bosnia-Herzegovina ?
8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as
members in kibbutzim?
9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage
marriages between Jews and non-Jews ?
10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the
site of a muslim cemetery ?
Thanks,
Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C5LxEw.9p0@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:
> Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to
>speak out?
I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must
be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of
Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to
the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization.
All reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly
exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of
Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the
Ottoman Empire between 1914-1920.
It is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators
of the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi
members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate
racism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples.
And x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following
ways:
1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.
2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the
veracity of the Turkish Genocide.
3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to
silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.
4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.
Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government
is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.
Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist
and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle
of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians,
the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and
consequently a number of governments and organizations have become
supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes:
> >
> >>In article <C4rDy0.Fw9@chinet.chi.il.us> randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w
> >rites:
> >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work
> >>>>with >15M system RAM.
> >
> >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33?
> >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?)
> >
> >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing?
> >--
> >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU |
> >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | |
> >oD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU |
> >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET |
>
> No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in
> windows. Sorry....
>
> --
Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video.
It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who
make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June
that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the
name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet?
Thanks
Michael Grant
(mikgr@wordperfect.com) or
(mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I have written a server program which makes socket connections to many nodes
and collects data from that nodes periodically. I need to display this data on
my X Application. I tried
to invoke this server using XtAddAppTimeout which works ok. But the
problem here is some time there is delay in collecting data. So I doesn't
returns to EventLoop during that time and my application remains busy and
It doesn't respond to users input. I button press events are queued and
exected after server finished its task. Now I am going to try AppAddInput
call. So that It reads pipe only when there is something to read in pipe.
I am thinking of creating one pipe in which server will write and client
which is my X application will read. Now I have some doubts which you may
be able to clarify.
1) When I fork a process. It will create to copy of my process. Right !!
Now what does this two copies mean? Two Shells. Where should I fork
my application. What are the responsibilities of this processes. How
should I call this processes.?
2) Can I fork more than one processes. So that I can read from more
than one servers input.
Thanks
Samir Patel
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spatel@cs.tamu.edu
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| 5comp.windows.x |
lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area.
>Thanks
>Lisa Rowlands
Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Does anyone know it the Macintosh LC has Pin 7 (the Pin that enables better
Flow Control)? I know the LC 1 & 2 doesn't have it, but what about 3? I have
had conflicting reports so far... Please help. Thank you.
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In article <1993Apr24.152611.5376@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <1qvtk4$jep@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>No, you're just overloading the word "value" again. It is an
>>estimation of probability of correctness, not an estimation of "worth."
>>Shit, I don't even know what "worth" means. Consider the possibility
>>that I am not interested in knowing truth. I could still believe
>>that science was the most likely way to get truth, and not value
>>science at all.
>
>But you STILL value likely ways over unlikely ways, correct?
For the times when I'm interested in the truth, I do.
>If I wanted to
>know the "truth" about, say, the specific gravity of chicken soup, I could
>employ science -- meters, gauges, scales, etc. -- or I could just talk a walk
>on a beach somewhere. Both have a possibility of generating the truthful
>answer -- in the case of the walk on the beach, it would have to be some sort
>of sudden inspiration about the specific gravity of chicken soup which just
>happened to be truthful -- so what makes me choose the scientific method of
>truth-determination over the "walk on the beach" method? Because I *VALUE*
>science's higher probability of obtaining truth, that's why. Everywhere one
>turns, there is intentionality and value judgments lurking just beneath the
>veneer of detached objectivity. It is an inescapable aspect of the human
>condition.
This strikes me as rather obvious. What is your point about this,
Kevin?
>>Truth by blatant assertion again, Frank. It's observationally the
>>case that when you measure it, it works. It can be reasonably well
>>assumed that it will work even when you are not measuring it, barring
>>quantum silliness about how it might have disappeared and reappeared.
>>It doesn't take a notion of objective reality to discuss my observations.
>Well, I would add that the attribute "works even when not being measured" is
>*ALSO* something which is valued and intended, Eric. All you've succeeded in
>doing is kicking this up another level in the hierarchy of values.
Huh? Of course I intend that it works. But the fact that I want it
to work, and want to use a procedure that will show that it works,
has no bearing on the logical standing of the procedure that
I choose (empiricism.)
I don't see how this is any kind of problem, Kevin.
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
| 0alt.atheism |
You could visit the former Davidian Adventist sanctuary at
Waco, but the Nazis are still holding that one, and won't let
you in....
Jim Hart
jhart@agora.rain.com
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
|>
|> >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over?
|> >Because you rarely ever answer them.
|>
|> Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple
|> times.
He: Fifty dollars if I can't answer your question.
She: What is the Big Bang theory.
He: The Big Bang theory is a recipe for cookies.
She: Fifty dollars, please.
He: Hey, I didn't say the answers would make sense.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive
pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are
interested, make me an offer. Please respond to:
zmed16@trc.amoco.com
Thanks,
Mike
| 6misc.forsale |
During the local Rockies broadcast the other day Don Baylor
went out to bring in a relief pitcher and a graphic came up
on the screen that it was the "so and so sponsored" pitching
change. I saw another game where the pinch hitter was sponsored.
At other times during the game Rockies announcer Duane Kuiper was
setting up the strategy that the defense might use with the expectation
that Charlie Jones would jump in and discuss the situation. But
what does Charlie do, he read's a beer advertisement and leaves
Duane hanging. Duane's strategy proved prophetic.
These examples happen over and over on radio and T.V. braodcasts
making them sometimes very boring to listen to.
I guess it's just a matter of time before a player sells his name
to Budweiser, Nike, etc.
I don't think it will be long until we hear: "Nike Budweiser drills
it deep to left field, Chevrolet goes back, back, it's gone! The Apple
Macintoshes (formerly the Boston Red Sox) are the 1998 World Champions!!!"
Back to work,
Anthony M. Jivoin
National Center for Atmospheric Research
RSF/ATD - FL1
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80307
p.s. Rockies fans have the brooms ready for the Marlins this weekend.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan) wrote:
> Can someone recommend a decent VESA Local Bus SCSI controller
> card? I saw a post for the Ultrastor something or other, and
> was wondering if this would be a good choice? I need a supported
> card that software like the March NT Beta will recognize.
BusLogic just announced the BT445 FAST SCSI-2 VLB Interface as of
April 20. This always happens to me!
I have a one week old BT545S which is the ISA version. I am
enjoying spectacular performance with a Micropolis MC2105 560mb 10ms
3.5" HH 5200 RPM drive. I'll be changing to the BT445 VERY soon,
though it is difficult to imagine even higher transfer speeds with
the 32bit VESA support.
You can call BusLogic and ask 'em about the NT question. I hear that
the support is excellent. I have not had to call them myself yet.
Regards.
--
Channel 1 (R) Cambridge, MA
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <11847@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert
>Beauchaine) writes:
>>Bennett, Neil. "How BCCI adapted the Koran rules of banking". The
>>Times. August 13, 1991.
>
> So, let's see. If some guy writes a piece with a title that implies
> something is the case then it must be so, is that it?
Gregg, you haven't provided even a title of an article to support *your*
contention.
>> This is how you support a position if you intend to have anyone
>> respect it, Gregg. Any questions? And I even managed to include
>> the above reference with my head firmly engaged in my ass. What's
>> your excuse?
>
> This supports nothing. I have no reason to believe that this is
> piece is anything other than another anti-Islamic slander job.
You also have no reason to believe it *is* an anti-Islamic slander job, apart
from your own prejudices.
> I have no respect for titles, only for real content. I can look
> up this article if I want, true. But I can tell you BCCI was _not_
> an Islamic bank.
Why, yes. What's a mere report in The Times stating that BCCI followed
Islamic banking rules? Gregg *knows* Islam is good, and he *knows* BCCI were
bad, therefore BCCI *cannot* have been Islamic. Anyone who says otherwise is
obviously spreading slanderous propaganda.
> If someone wants to discuss
> the issue more seriously then I'd be glad to have a real discussion,
> providing references, etc.
I see. If someone wants to provide references to articles you agree with,
you will also respond with references to articles you agree with? Mmm, yes,
that would be a very intellectually stimulating debate. Doubtless that's how
you spend your time in soc.culture.islam.
I've got a special place for you in my...
...kill file. Right next to Bobby. Want to join him?
The more you post, the more I become convinced that it is simply a waste of
time to try and reason with Moslems. Is that what you are hoping to achieve?
mathew
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C71C1K.2yK@news.rich.bnr.ca> bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier) writes:
>I think most of the people posting are forgetting that most users
>of MS products do not even know about internet, and Unix is that
>very unfriendly place where bizzare abreviations replace the rather
>comfortable abreviations they know. And the abreviations have subtle
>differences between the different vendors. While PC users tend to
>customize any windowing setup, they can not do much with their
>command line.
You can't customize a command line interface? Where have you been? I
can change the prompt, I can make aliases (so someone like me who is
used to say, ls, can type it on my dos machine and still get a
directory listing), and under Unix, if I don't like the command line
interface, I throw it out and get a different one. (csh, bash, ksh,
sh, etc...)
>So to most of the computer users in the world MS product symbolize
>quality. MS has made their life easier, and more productive and to them
>that is quality. They do not care about what innovative things MS has
>done, other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot
>easier. You may know better than most computer users in this world
>but that will not change their perception.
This is true.
>Face it until Unix come up with a decent GUI that is available to
>all variations of Unix it just will not catch on with the mainstream
>of computer users. We here on the net are not mainstream computer users.
A decent GUI for all variations of Unix? Lessee... what about Motif?
Or the stuff from MIT? (twm comes to mind...) those are pretty
standard. Heck, an xwindows program runs like it likes to -- all the
end user has to really know is how to manipulate the actual windows
with the mouse, and since it is a GUI, it's *graphical* and a bit
easier to figure out. (Something the windows people have been pressing
down our throats for some time now...)
The thing I fear is that there will be a gap between the normal users
running windows (all flavors) and the other "power" users running Unix
and other more advanced OSes. At least right now, DOS is still pretty
much king. I can bring a copy of my latest whiz-bang programming demo
over to my friends house, and since we both run DOS, he can enjoy it
too.
agrier@gompers.gompers.edu OR
tfinn@crash.cts.com (Preferred)
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
FOR SALE:
486 DX/33 Motherboard for sale. Excellent condition...less than
one year old. 64K cache, expandable to 256K. RAM expandable to 32MB.
AMI BIOS. Need to sell...upgrading.
Asking: $600.00 (neg.)
CONTACT: Jared Martin at 49-54566 or
email at jaredjma@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
I booked a hotel (Red Roof Inn) last week in Cincinnati (Blue Ash, which
is at the northern tip of the metro. Cincy area). I chose it for a few
reasons.
1. All hotels in and near Dayton were booked solid.
2. This hotel is only costing $28/night.
3. It was one of about 4 rooms left on the night I reserved.
4. Cincinnati probably has more to to at night than Dayton. I intend
to hit the riverboat entertainment at dusk!
If anyone has other suggestions for nightlife, please let me know of
other hot spots. Thanks!
Mark
| 12sci.electronics |
Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can
share common areas with others. Apartment or room for $400 or less.
Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August. No smokers.
Email PRINAOA @ YALEVM or RFP@JHUVM
| 6misc.forsale |
>
>[Various justifiable rantings on ESPN coverage by several deleted]
>
The only way to change ESPN's thinking, if it is even possible, is to complain
to them directly. Anyone know there telephone # in Bristol, Ct?
I do find it hard to believe that ESPN doesn't think viewers will simply
change the channel from a boring game....I know I did. And then, when
they didn't show the NYI-Wash overtime(s), I was livid! If I wanted
to watch baseball, I could have turned on the Phillies-Padres extra
inning game....instead, I went to bed angry......I boycotted ESPN's
morning Sportscenter today, I was still so incensed.
My wife says I shouldn't go to bed angry, but last nite.........GRRRRRRR!
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns
(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and
Oregon. Thanks.
-Bill
--
Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net)
| 16talk.politics.guns |
forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
> From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com
> (Jon Livesey):
> > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why
> > are so many children dying all over the world?
>
> The majority of the world isn't "Western".
Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple. An awful lot of the
starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic
policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical
Westerner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible
malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can
be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They
have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans
we encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre
idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got.
Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against
Western infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children
are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit. And that goes for the
supposed "Pro-Life" movement, too. They could save far more lives by
fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against
abortion. Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more
of those by fighting for human rights in China.
And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this
ethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory
forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case.
mathew
| 19talk.religion.misc |
8rec.motorcycles | |
Thomas Trusk (ttrusk@its.mcw.edu) wrote:
> In article <C67G01.2J1@efi.com> alanm@efi.com (Alan Morgan) writes:
> >In article <C65oIL.436@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
> > alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Alexander P. Zijdenbos) writes:
> >
> >>I am neither a real believer, nor a disbeliever when it comes to
> >>so-called "paranormal" stuff; but as far as I'm concerned, it is just
> >>as likely as the existence of, for instance, a god, which seems to be
> >>quite accepted in our societies - without any scientific basis.
> >
> >Oooooh. Bad example. I'm an atheist.
> >
> This is not flame, or abuse, nor do I want to start another thread (this
> is, after all, supposed to be about IMAGE PROCESSING).
> BUT, to say you're an atheist is to suggest you have PROOF there is NO GOD.
-- That means that there cannot be any atheists since there is NO WAY that you
can prove that there is no god. Atheists are people who BELIEVE that there is no
god, most not only believe, but also are damn sure that there isn't a god (like
me).
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| 13sci.med |
The whire wheels aren't chromed, they were to be painted silver/grey.
The accelerating from a stop shouldn't be "doggy" because of the light
weight of the car.
Don't pull the topto make it reach the snaps, I pulled a couple out of
the top doing that. Replacing the spanps usually doesn't work. Let it
sit in th e sun, open on the car for a couple hours, the try, GENTLY!!!!
I continually blew up the #4 connecting rod bearing, be sure your not
buring too much oil.
Don't expect too much of a smooth ride. The lever arm shocks hold the
road, and your bladder. The are ultra-expensive. Supposedly the can be
rebuilt. J. C. Whitney sell a shock replacement kit the uses standard
shocks.
I had to rebuid boththe brake and clutch master cylinder, in addition to
the clutch slave. This work made a world of changes.
Be sure the carb is the original type replacement. My 1970 had dual
Stomberg oil dampenned side draft carbs.
Ask if the clutch has ever been replaced. To replace the engine and
tranny have to be pulled as a unit.
If you need more, I had mine all through hiogh school. Lots of
maintenance to use every day.
| 7rec.autos |
Benedikt Rosenau writes:
>And what about that revelation thing, Charley?
If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well,
it's obviously a risk one takes.
>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge
>is contradictive.
I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of
conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of
trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary
experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from
the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the
perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).
An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is
that the "better" descriptive language is not available.
>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish
>that?
This word "reliable" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you
can show how reliability can be determined.
--
C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace,
+ but strife closed in the sod.
mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:
tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."
| 0alt.atheism |
I am involved with a Michigan company that has an application requiring
wireless data transfer. If you have expertise or information that may
assist us in this project, please contact me (INTERNET: leblanc@cvm.msu.
edu).
| 12sci.electronics |
>because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the
>Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation.
>
>
>Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the
>negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf
>they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else.
>
>
>Phill Hallam-Baker
Oh, why do you expose your ignorance? The US has been running on debt for
the past four generations and has still financed what it pleases.
And after the Gulf War, Israel could do whatever it wanted after
not decimating Iraq after the Scud attacks. It was encouraged, but
by no means forced, to negotiate.
Mr. Baker, to address all of your points would be impossible, but in a
nutshell, it is hypocritical for you to attack Israel's presence in
Lebanon without attacking Syria. Syrian occupation has been hostile,
and amounts to annexation. Israel's is clearly defensive. If it
were not defensive, you would see all of Lebanon occupied, and governed by
Israel. But that is not what Israel wants.
Pete
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hello Cliff
Many people on the internet (like us) have to pay for
every byte of data passed through subscribed news groups.
Bitmaps are large. Bitmaps cost us a lot of money. There are
special news-groups for bitmaps because of this. We don't
subscribe to them. Put you bitmaps in the right place.
Read one of the FAQ guides in the newuser groups and it
will tell you all about bitmaps and the thousands of
establishments like mine that you have just cost money.
Some of them have very limited budgets.
Go away.
P.S. This is a flame ;-)
P.P.S You distribution of "usa" didn't work.
KenB
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1rfdkqINN8s2@zephyr.grace.cri.nz>, maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston) writes:
> Path: kth.se!sunic!pipex!uunet!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!usenet
> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
> Subject: Re: Need longer filenames
> Message-ID: <1rfdkqINN8s2@zephyr.grace.cri.nz>
> From: maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston)
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 03:24:42 GMT-1:00
> Sender: maystonr@grace.cri.nz
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>
> In article <765461d518325t9@infoserv.com> hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) writes:
> >In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than
> >> the standard 8.3 format.
> >
> Yep, it's called OS2!
>
Yep, you can use any type of UNIX, or maybe VMS, or buy a MAC or something...
If you want longer filenames for your documents, I heard of a wordprocessor for
windows which let you assign long names to files. Those long filenames could only be
seen from that programs open/save dialogs though... Maybe someone knows more about
this wordprocessor than I do?
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics
is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks.
Cathy
--
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
> The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
> transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
> more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
> do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
> must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
The BATF is there to collect taxes, not to protect your sorry ass or mine.
> With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
> more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
> the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country.
All flame-bait, of course. If you really want to be flame bait, send me
your address and I'll tell the BATF about those automatic weapons you
have stockpiled. You'll be warm in no time.
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
| 16talk.politics.guns |
>...in other words faith in a .357 is far stronger than faith in a
>God providing a miracle for his followers. Interesting. Now, if
>David Korresh was God, why couldn't he use lightning instead of
>semi-automatic rifles? It seems even he didn't trust in himself.
>
>Cheers,
>Kent
>---
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
<C659w7.IyD@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes:
><JPG.93Apr27135219@holly.bnr.co.uk> jpg@bnr.co.uk (Jonathan P. Gibbons) writes:
>
>>I would appreciate any thoughts on what makes a planet habitable for Humans.
>>I am making asumptions that life and a similar atmosphere evolve given a range
>>of physical aspects of the planet. The question is what physical aspects
>>simply disallow earth like conditions.
>
> Dandridge Cole and Isaac Asimov collaborated on a book titled,
> "Habitable Planets for Man" (I think) in 1964. It should be available
> in most good libraries, or through inter-library loan.
Some more references:
S.H. Dole
"Habitable Planets for Man"
Blaisdell Publishing Company, New York (1964)
I don't know if this can be found any more.
M.J. Fogg
"Extra-Solar Planetary Systems: A Microcomputer Simulation"
J. Brit. Interplanetary. Soc., _38_, 501-514, (1985)
"An Estimate of the Prevalence of Biocompatible and Habitable Planets"
J. Brit. Interplanetary. Soc., _45_, 3-12, (1992)
The first paper includes a detailed discussion of the physical conditions
for habitability.
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| 14sci.space |
In article <93108.020701TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <93106.155002JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> <JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE
>>>PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!
>>
>>readers of the group. How convenient that he doesn't have a real name...
>>Let's start up the letters to the sysadmin, shall we?
>
>His real name is Jeremy Scott Noonan.
>vmoper@psuvm.psu.edu should have at least some authority,
>or at least know who to email.
>
POSTMAST@PSUVM.BITNET respectively P_RFOWLES or P_WVERITY (the sys admins)
at the same node are probably a better idea than the operator.
Benedikt
| 0alt.atheism |
Rithea Hong (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) wrote:
: I'm in the market for all small (12x12 or so) digitizing tablet and would
: like any comments. The main names I see are Calcomp, Summagraphics, and
: Kurta. What are the major differences? Any particular preference? Also
: what should I look for and what should I avoid? Thanks for any input
: you can provide.
: Rithea Hong
: (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu)
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
>harm.
>
Stuff deleted
>
>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
>KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to
>DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to
>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . .
>
>
I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if
the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your
foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick.
-g.
===========================================================================
Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of
R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways.
you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what? | -SJ Mercury News
===========================================================================
| 8rec.motorcycles |
To clarify:
VC++ *is* considered an upgrade for C7. There will be no product
called C 8.0 (although the command-line compiler of VC++ lists its
version as 8.00). C7 is not a "DOS"-only product -- it is a C/C++
compiler capable of producing executables for DOS or Windows, as is
VC++ (Pro. Ed.). The (significant) difference is that VC++ comes with
many Windows-hosted tools (ide, etc) which assist developers in
creating Windows executables much more quickly (basically by
automating the thousands of lines of boilerplate code). Initial
impressions have been very favorable.
Everyone who is a registered user of C7 should have received a
considerable amount of info regarding the specifics of C7. If you
haven't, call Microsoft and I'm sure they'd be happy to send you some!
-Jefrem Iwaniw
Pelican Software Corporation
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
We are having problems with a bunch of SE/30's in one of our Labs. The
fault is that the machines either bomb or freeze when attempting to write to
their internal floppies. The internal floppies have been tested on their own
and are fine, which means that it is a main board fault. The machines all come
from the same batch.
The date code on the back of the machines is December 1990.
1. Do you own a machine from this batch.
2. Has any user had experience with this fault.
3. Was it a warranty repair.
Any feedback would be appreciated and I will post the results to the net.
Bill
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr21.030201.27904@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:
>>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD?
>
> This has to be a setup. Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.
probably just want to see how many faq's they'll get. oh well. here goes....
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <21APR199323231675@utkvx.utk.edu> ljones@utkvx.utk.edu (Leslie Jones) writes:
>
>A CNN factiod in the last few months stated that 40% of all the computers
>in the U.S. are left on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't recall
>CNN's source.
>
Yeah, but they probably included industries and educational institutions
that uses mostly work stations (SUNs, DEC, IBM RS600... etc etc) Which turns
monitor off if left untouched for 5 min.
- Chung Yang
>Leslie Jones
>ljones@utkvx.utk.edu, who turns off his monitor when he's not using it.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information
fast.
My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system
on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I
have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We
would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one
write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for
visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is
available which would work for our system? Some support software is
obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the
software we actually use for the visualization is all already written.
Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your
help.
Dr. M. E. J. Newman.
Department of Physics,
Cornell University.
newmme@helios.tn.cornell.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <NN8D3B7w164w@cellar.org> revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes:
>field@cae.wisc.edu (Michael Brian Field) writes:
>
>>
>> All you BD apologists seem to be conveniently forgetting
>> Jonestown. It would have looked much worse if the feds had just
>> waited till they all committed suicide. This was a no win situation,
>> although the final raid was a tragic failure - they should have
>> been able to get more people out alive.
>>
> "BD apologists?"
>
> Give me a break.
Yes, BD apologists. There have been a number of posts defending
the BD's as some persecuted religous minority, which is sheer bunk.
Maybe the press and certain spokespeople bandied about the term "cult", etc.,
but that is peripheral to the reasons for the initial assault and standoff.
It was a weapons raid. The feds couldn't give a hoot about the BD's
religion, but any group that ILLEGALLY obtains and stockpiles automatic
weapons is a threat. This goes for neo-Nazis and other non-religous groups.
So I have this question: If your religious group isn't stockpiling
automatic weapons or engaged in some other illegal activity, why is this
event a blow to religious freedom?
-Mike
P.S. The analogy between BD's and Jews of the Holocaust is so insulting
and mind-numbingly stupid I won't even touch it with a ten foot pole.
P.P.S. Stop with the paranoid fantasies about the U.S. goverment gunning you
down just because of your religous beliefs. Trust me, nobody cares.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr16.222846.17764@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with
> another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time
> of the players involved.
It's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I
can think of. Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team. The
contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the
same team or different teams. And yet ... awards are given and promotions
received based in part on these meaningless stats. The operative words are
"in part" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one
has about the player.
> To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd...
And comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd...
but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\-
for Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league...
and yet...
How about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game.
Ron
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr23.140649.1@rhea.arc.ab.ca> thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca writes:
>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au>, enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:
>
>> What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that
>> it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).
>
>No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day
>so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution.
Thanks for these surreal moments....
Srinivas
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| 14sci.space |
From the "JPL Universe"
April 23, 1993
VLBI project meets with international space agencies
By Ed McNevin
Members of JPL's Space Very Long Baseline Interferometry
(VLBI) project team recently concluded a week-long series of
meetings with officials from Russia and Japan.
The meetings were part of "Space VLBI Week" held at JPL in
early March and were intended to maintain cooperation between
international space agencies participating in the development of
the U.S. Space VLBI Project, a recently approved JPL flight
project set for launch in 1995.
U.S. Space VLBI will utilize two Earth-orbiting spacecraft
-- the Japanese VSOP (VLBI Space Observing Program) satellite
with its 8-meter radio telescope, and a Russian RADIOASTRON
10-meter satellite. Both spacecraft will team up with
ground-based radio telescopes located around the world to create
a radio telescope network that astronomers hope will expand radio
telescope observing power by a factor of 10.
Japan's VSOP satellite will use a limited six-hour orbit to
conduct imaging science, while the Russian RADIOASTRON spacecraft
will exploit a larger, 28-hour Earth orbit to conduct exploratory
radio astronomy. Each satellite will point at a source target for
roughly 24 hours, while approximately 20 ground-based radio
telescopes will simultaneously point at the same source object
while within view on Earth.
According to Dr. Joel Smith, JPL's project manager for the
U.S. Space VLBI, meetings like those held at JPL will permit
Japan and Russia, who have little previous experience in radio
interferometry, to establish working relationships with the radio
astronomy communities that will be vital during the complex
observations required by the Space VLBI project.
"One of our main activities is developing the methodology
for international coordination, because the two spacecraft
simultaneously rely on the corresponding tracking stations while
using the ground-based radio telescopes to observe the same
celestial objects," said Smith.
Three new tracking antennas are being built at DSN
facilities and other three other tracking facilities located in
Japan, Russia and Green Bank, W.Va. This global network of
ground-based radio telescopes will use precision clocks and
high-speed recorders to collect observation data and forward the
information to a correlator located at the National Radio
Astronomy Observatory in Socorro, N.M. The correlator will
combine and process data, then make it available to mission
investigators in Moscow, Tokyo, and JPL via electronic mail.
Smith is optimistic that the massive radio telescope created
by the Space VLBI network will provide radio astronomers with
better resolution than has ever been achieved before by
ground-based radio telescopes, allowing astronomers to take a
closer look at distant objects in space.
"There is a long history of radio astronomy using
ground-based telescopes," said Smith. "What we intend to do is to
extend radio astronomy into Earth orbit. Our goal is to look
deeper into the cores of galactic nuclei, quasars and other
active radio sources to understand what drives those things we
have seen so far with radio astronomy."
Smith noted that if one examines "the active galactic
nuclei, you'll find jets appearing to spew at speeds greater than
light, and at energy levels that are millions of times greater
than you would expect."
He said some astronomers believe that black holes may be
located in the cores of these galaxies, and that they may fuel
the jets. Smith hopes that "by using Space VLBI to look further
into the cores, this theory may be supported or disproved."
Russian space-flight hardware, including transponders and
transmitters, are now being tested in the United States, and
Japanese hardware is scheduled to arrive for testing later this
year. Analysis of this hardware will permit U.S. scientists and
engineers to understand how to modify the high-speed VLBA
Correlator operating at the NRAO in order to accommodate the odd
data patterns that will originate from the more than 20
ground-based radio telescopes involved in Space VLBI.
Smith is particularly pleased that meetings with the
Japanese and Russian space agency officials -- like those held at
JPL in March -- have proceeded smoothly. Yet he knows that the
political uncertainty in Russia could jeopardize that country's
participation in the project.
"Nothing is ever smooth," he said, "but the Russians have
been incredibly open with us. We always anticipated some
likelihood that we will not succeed because of political factors
beyond our control, yet there tends to be a way of keeping these
things going, because scientists on both sides are trying hard,
and people recognize the value of cooperation at this level."
Smith points out that the Japanese space agency has more at
stake than just fulfilling an international commitment to a
science mission.
"The Japanese have been extremely cooperative, since
international cooperation is essential to their science mission,"
he said.
But Smith also noted that Japanese space agency officials
look at the U.S. Space VLBI mission as an opportunity to showcase
the technology involved with VSOP spacecraft, and their highly
regarded Mach V launch vehicle.
Yet regardless of the risks involved in undertaking such an
ambitious project, JPL's Smith is satisfied that planning for the
Space VLBI Project is beyond the significant financial and
political hurdles that otherwise might threaten the project.
"Fortunately, we have the virtue of having two partners, and
if either falls out, we would still have something with the
other. By themselves, both spacecraft are independent,
scientifically exciting missions."
###
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| 14sci.space |
In article <1993Apr26.070405.3615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kahraman@hprisc-30.cae.wisc.edu (Gokalp Kahraman) writes:
>In this respect, since atheists are dominantly arrogant and claim
>self-control and self-ownership, they would make pharoahs
>look like very humble, decent people in comparison! If the logic is this:
>"since I own myself, others who are like me should also own themselves, and
>going further, things are self-existent and self-standing, and self-living,
>etc."
Yes, atheists tend to claim self control and self ownership. Are you saying
that theists claim to not have self control? I don't think atheists are
"dominantly arrogant." They don't claim some god that has supremacy over
all of mankind. Now this claim would be arrogant, but atheists don't claim
it. Most atheists do claim to own themselves. I think any disagreement with
this claim of self ownership would be supremely arrogant.
/---- John David Munch ------------------ jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu ----\
|...." the heart can change, be full of hate, or love. If people are allowed|
|to base their lives through their hearts, anything can happen. A dangerous |
|situation, in my opinion." -Bobby Mozumder describing problems with atheism|
| 0alt.atheism |
Are you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator???
Who is forwarding them???
Is there a similar file being kept on Mr. Omran???
Salam,
John Absood
"Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a
meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by
a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter-
most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is
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it is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes.
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| 6misc.forsale |
I have two questions:
1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows.
When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text
disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second
line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not
know how to correct it.
2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go?
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Hi,
I recently bought an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+. It's a real nice card,
but I'm having very big problems with it.
The basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display
in windows. Something like every other line or so.
Also, when I use a DOS gif viewer, namely vpic 6.0c, in Fahrenheit 1280
mode, vertical lines are swapped. It's very strange looking.
If it uses VESA standards, however, it works great! only it thinks there's
only 512K on the card. (There's 1MB on there).
I have contacted Orchid support, and they tried to be helpful, but didn't
have the answer. I don't think the card is the problem, since it works great
on my friend's computer.
Here is my setup:
Fahrenheit 1280+, 1MB, bios 1.1
386-25, Opti-chipset2, AMI bios 1990, 5MB ram.
Maxtor 120MB harddrive, (slave)
Maxtor 40Mb harddrive (master)
Panasonic c1381 monitor,
version 4.6 windows drivers.
windows 3.1
I tried taking all memory managers, etc off, and took all other cards
(besides disk controller) off.
My friend's setup is 386sx-16, shamrock monitor.
If anyone has seen anything like this, or can otherwise help, I will be very
greatful.
Please send e-mail to tdarugar@tartarus.ucsd.edu or
tdarugar@ebon.ucsd.edu
Tony.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
One pair of kg1's in Oak finish with black grilles.
Includes original packaging.
$200 + shipping Firm.
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| 6misc.forsale |
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