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In article <BUZZ.93Apr19101538@lion.bear.com> buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write
>In article <WHALEY.93Apr15103931@sigma.kpc.com> whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes:
>> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics
>> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your
>> rectangle?
>
>Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains
>Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item
>to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea()
>(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new
>item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care
>of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the
>Window is mapped.
>
>The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window
>is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to "tickle" a window so
>that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item?
>
What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously
stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen
just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT
a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not
working!!!
Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that
XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful!
Thanks!
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In article 422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de, gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>I *have* found a great
>deal of evidence that there were many flaming heterosexuals among the
>Nazis. This seems to include all of the worst ones--Hitler, Himmler,
>Goebbels, Goering, Heydrich, Eichmann, and many more.
Oh Deary ME......
Do you think that clayton cramer is aware of this
Nazi-Het connection?????
My, My, My!!!!
Clearly Proof Enough for ME that we
must Register Hets NOW!!!!
ciao
drieux
ps: It's just SHOCKING where Hets crop up....
---
"All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!
All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"
-Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Mack posted:
"I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the
relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period
is so small (at the end of 1371)?"
This is not small. A 2.7 per cent annual population growth rate implies
a doubling in 69/2.7 \approx 25 years. Can you imagine that? Most people
seem not able to, and that is why so many deny that this problem exists,
for me most especially in the industrialised countries (low growth rates,
but large environmental impact). Iran's high growth rate threatens things
like accelerated desertification due to intensive agriculture, deforestation,
and water table drop. Similar to what is going on in California (this year's
rain won't save you in Stanford!). This is probably more to blame than
the current government's incompetence for dropping living standards
in Iran.
--
Gruss,
Dr Bruce Scott The deadliest bullshit is
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik odorless and transparent
bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de -- W Gibson
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
The Roman Catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line
up with Pat Robertson and his ultra Right Wing Christian Coalition.
Former Secretary of Education William Bennet, a Roman Catholic, stood
beside the Christian Coalition's spokesman Ralph Reed at a March 3
conference in Washington. The purpose of the conference was to
publish results of a Christian Coalition poll which was designed
to prove that the Republican party would lose major support if it
backed away from the "Family Values" positons of the '92 convention.
Conservative Catholics have swung behind Robertson's organization
with political expertise, legal assistance and high tech communications
support.
The Catholic Campaign for American, designed as a Catholic version
of the Moral Majority, was founded by Marlene Elwell and Tom Wykes.
Ms. Elwell has been with Robertson since the days of his Freedom
Council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988.
Ms. Elwell was hired by Domino's Pizza magnate, Tom Monaghan, in 1989
to manage Legatus, a "nonpolitical", Catholic businessmen's group.
Membership is limited to Catholics who head corporations with a least $4
million in annual revenues. Relying on a network of wealthy contacts
at Legatus, Elwell and Wykes had little trouble forming and funding the
Catholic Campaign.
The Campaign's list of national committee members includes U.S. Rep.
Robert K. Dornan, Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, the lovely
Pat Buchanan and Rev. Richard J. Neuhaus. Also on the national
committee is Keith Fournier, a Catholic who heads Pat Robertson's
American Center for Law and Justice. Another Catholic, Thomas
Patrick Monaghan, senior counsel of Robertson's ACLJ, is also an
active supporter of the Catholic Campaign.
The board of directors includes Frank Shakespeare, broadcasting exec
and former U.S. ambassador to the Pope, Wall Street executive Frank
Lynch, former Reagan official Richard V. Allen, Bishop Rene Gracida
of Corpus Christi and Mary Ellen Bork, wife of unsuccessful Supreme
Court nominee Robert Bork.
In the Winter 1992 issue of _Campaign Update_ the organization's
quarterly newsletter, Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business
executive wrote: "Separation of church and state is a false premise
that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of
our constitution."
Oh yes, the organization's "national ecclesisatical advisor" is
Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York.
Jack Carroll
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.053516.28846@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes:
> >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
> >writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX.
> >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)
> >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from
> >> the same hailstorm yet?
> >>
> >> Craig
> >
> >
> >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would
> >be about $10k.
>
> I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as
> you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body.
>
> Craig
> >
> >
> >--
> >--
> > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com
> > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the
> > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that
> > everyone *will* be happy.
>
>
There was a Volvo owner that had $3000 dollars worth of improvements to the
looks of the car by hail :).
| 7rec.autos |
In article <C5s5n0.DyJ@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (Robert J. Kolker) writes:
>Thank you for remembering Matzada. Matzada was not an insane act. It was
>a sanctification of G_D's name and the most extreme denial of tyranny
>possible. To this day the officers of the Tzahal (Isreal Defense Force)
>take their oath at the fortress. Lo Tepol Shaynit Matzadah. Matzadah will
>not fall again!
>
>Conan the Libertarian
This is hilarious. Here we have a self-described libertarian
getting all sentimental over a religious and national entity
not exactly known for respecting individualism. In somewhat
more detail it should be noted that the whole concept of a
religion, and especially a patriarchial one like Judaism
(or Islam, or Christianity) is obediance to rules and authority.
Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc are FULL of "thou shalt"s and "thou
shalt not"s. And of course Israel's concept of human rights, while
no doubt better than places like Syria's or Iraqs, is hardly the
stuff to warm the cockles of a libertarian's heart.
---peter
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <C5w8xB.Iv6@world.std.com>, wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael) writes:
> I have been searching for a quality image enhancement and
> manipulation package for Unix/X/Motif platforms that is comparable
> to Adobe Photo Shop for the Mac.
Corel Draw 4 will be able to do this as it will include the Photopaint stuff that
the PC version got with version 3. Don't hold your breath though.
--
Chris Lilley
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In article <C5wB46.I3o@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...
>In article <22APR199307534304@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country,
>>> rather than the third world]
>>> [Ken says intervention in Somalia is a counter-example]
>>I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military
>>intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed
>>to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was
>>not nearly as risky.
>
>Based on the same reasons? You mean you were opposed to US intervention in
>Somalia because since Somalia is a European country instead of the third world,
>the desire to help Somalia is racist? I don't think this "same reason" applies
>to Somalia at all.
No, you have completely misunderstood. I was opposed to intervention in
Somalia for the same reason I am opposed to intervention in Bosnia - there is
no security interest of the United States there which justifies risking the
lives of American servicemen, and there are too many crises in the world for us
to take on all of them. In the case of Bosnia, the risks are obviously much
greater, and there are other countries in a much better position and with far
better reasons to take action than the US.
>The whole point is that Somalia _is_ a third world country, and we were more
>willing to send troops there than to Bosnia--exactly the _opposite_ of what
>the "fixation on European countries" theory would predict. (Similarly, the
>desire to help Muslims being fought by Christians is also exactly the opposite
>of what that theory predicts.)
You continue to misunderstand. I did not say the reason why people want to
intervene is because of racist (<- you seem to be overly fond of using this
word, btw. I said the phenomenon was race-related, which is not the same as
racist. Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for you to grasp) motives - I
said the attention and outrage at the entire Yugoslavian situation was a result
of it being 1) closer to home, 2) happening to people we can identify with, and
3) relentlessly harped on by the media. I never said anything about which side
would be preferred, which has a lot more to do with the presentation of the
conflict than any psychological factors. I think there is no doubt that despite
the fact we intervened in Somalia, the level of attention devoted to there was
considerably less than what is devoted to Bosnia, if the newspapers and tv news
I see are any guide.
Dave
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra
900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem
on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be
greatly appreciated.
When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types
of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH
speakers:
system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record)
Armor Alley
Spectre
Spaceward Ho!
But, the following games only play out of the left channel:
Lemmings
Out of This World (awesome game, BTW)
Glider 4.0
OIDS
But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers.
(The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which
my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?))
All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run
OOTW because he doesn't have color).
We're both running system 7.1
Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get
sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or
greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine?
I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in
stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be
mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB
170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there
isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are
apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they
could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of
both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)?
Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge),
so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1
patch over this problem?)
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Doug Book
dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In <May.7.01.08.16.1993.14381@athos.rutgers.edu> whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes:
>Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should check
>out:
> Romans 1:27
> I Corinthians 6:9
> I Timothy 1:10
> Jude 1:7
> II Peter 2:6-9
> Gen. 19
> Lev 18:22
>(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)
Homosexual Christians have indeed "checked out" these verses. Some of
them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations.
Others simply do not address the issues.
You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course
in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that
you stop "proof-texting" about things you know nothing about.
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>>
>> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present
>
>They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen
>would be shot at.
>
>>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions.
>
>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
Take a second look at "non-toxic, non-flammable":
MACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic.
Whatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly
on the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to
the face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly
to a mustard gas inhalation.
I know: my father and grandfather were exposed
to poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through
the side effects of any WEAPON, including those
"non-toxic" aerosols.
WHat the label ACTUALLY means is ::
usually, it wont kill you
it may give you permanent CSS asthsma
but that's better than blowing a hole in your
head ...
ALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN
AND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER. SOme of the most
non-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME
if you hit it with the right combo.
Let's take one: a trash can fire. Makes black smoke;
already burned right? Can't go boom, right? Wrong.
Suck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized,
or burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air
conditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light
a match. 200 feet of conduit is about the same, when
filled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT
THAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING
TILES IN BUILDINGS. Because 3-5 stories of
a building have blown OUT by "nonflammable _smoke_"
So:
Take a little "nonflammable aerosol"
Mix with gasoline or kerosene fumes
NO electricity, remeber? A bit of heating
on the WACO plains? Boil water to drink
since the water was cut off?
liberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours
Fumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians
move the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one,
armor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick
and die from tear gas.
and along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you:
everyone burns to death.
Try thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the
way the Gmen say it did.
>
>--
>_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
>/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
>_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
> / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
> / is that it ends. -- Rousseau
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
>>Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
>>the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
>>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.
>
>Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new
>"nameplates." I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as
>Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no "nameplate" qualifier.
But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as
government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and
lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone
actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima
somewhere.
You *can* have it both ways :-)
Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 "I post, therefore I ARMM"
| 7rec.autos |
>>What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by
>>dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements
>>needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins).
..
try DraftChoice, its not windows but its shareware and object
oriented. Use it with PrintGL for high quality output.
Bruce
| 12sci.electronics |
martin@world.std.com (Martin J Hannigan) writes:
> Hello. I am the David Sternlight keeper of the FAQ. Unfortuantely I cannot
> find it at the present time.
Cool it, will you? Let people form their own opinions.
Even Mr. Sternlight might be right sometime, and you guys
are setting things up so that the only way he can regain
any credibility is to renounce his previous statements and
move towards the mainstream of net.opinion. This does not
bespeak tolerance, IMO.
> C _) David Sternlight
> | ,___| Net.Police
Indeed...
Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street
412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219
| 11sci.crypt |
I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window
of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application
could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an
XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of
the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).
Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?
Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me
with XOpenWindow?
I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first
time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of
the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this
initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this
true?
Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?
Environment:
AIXwindows X11R4
Motif 1.1
GL is available
AIX Sys V 3.2
IBM RS/6000 360
Thanks in advance.
Jay Graham
Jade Simulations International Corp.
14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
613-225-5900 x226
graham@ottawa.jade.com
| 5comp.windows.x |
Greets,
I have an IC I need help in identifying. It is an 8-pin IC with the following
label: W03563 9144w4
ANY help would be greatly appreciated in identifying this chip.
Kevin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kevin Jones KPJONE01@ULKYVX.CT.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Lab Supervisor KPJONE01@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Computing and Telecommunications PHONE: 502-588-6303
University of Louisville, KY FAX: 502-588-0150
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The only good racist is a dead racist.
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| 12sci.electronics |
Try the folks at Dimolex Corp., La Crescenta, CA 91214.
Their number is (818) 957-7001. They make membrane keypads
that are very flat, in layouts from 2 to 128 keys. They
have standard models, tactile models (with stainless domes
under each key to make a 'click' you can feel), as well as
backlit models. Some of them can even be cut with scissors
to form a funky shape other than a rectangle. Many of the
models are available in a 'kit' which includes a bezel,
colored and plain key covers, and rub on lettering to make
your own layout. One piece prices aren't cheap, though,
as they want $10 for one four position pad *kit*, and $45
for a 40 position *kit*.
I have no affiliation with Dimolex or any company connected
with them. I *have* purchased a couple of keypads from them,
and am pleased with what I got.
Cheers,
Alan
<acooney@netcom.com>
| 12sci.electronics |
In <53930421052235/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>I want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights. But first, I need
>to get a little more educated. I've been reading all the magzines and books I
>can get my hands on, and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the
>Internet.
[...]
>Can anyone tell me how/where to obtain this info? Surely there has to be a
>way to obtain copies of anti-gun legislation from those *&%$#@'s in Washington.
The House Document Room can be reached at +1 202 225 3456. You need to
have the number of the document you want (e.g. HR1036) and they'll be happy
to send it to you. Tell them if it's going to be a big stack, because the
surly sounding guy who answers is scrawling in a really awful hand on the
back of the envelope that will come and will run out of room quickly if
you don't tell him.
The Senate document room is too important to deal with the likes of you
and I, and will answer requests from off the hill only by mail.
--
Laird P. Broadfield lairdb@crash.cts.com ...{ucsd, nosc}!crash!lairdb
Hi! I'm a shareware signature! Send $5 if you use me, send $10 for manual!
| 16talk.politics.guns |
jake@bony1.bony.com writes:
> In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
> >waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>
> >> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were
> >> tortured. We ALL suffered.
>
> > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many
> >others suffered physically.
>
> I'm just waiting for Andi to tell us that African Americans should
> start paying compensation to White Americans who "suffered" from being
> slave owners.
>
Do you have a problem with the language? I said
everyone suffered emotionally because they sympathyzed with the
victims of Holocaust. I wasn't implying that anyone suffered
more than the actual victims. Neither was I implying any
wrongdoing on the part of the Jews as the cause for the
Holocaust. What is wrong with you guys? Regardless of what one
says you keep hearing what you want to hear.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is
unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I
found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star:
'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy
Washington (REUTER) - President Bill CLinton announced yesterday a
plan to plant a new "Clipper Chip" in every government telephone and
computer line to prevent eavesdropping.
Eventually the chips, developed by the government's National
Institute for Standards and Technology, would be used by commercial and
private electronics communication users.
The White House said that to assure privacy, each device containing
the encryption devices would be assigned two unique "keys" - numbers
that will be needed by government agencies to decode messages.
The attorney-general has been assigned the task of arranging that the
keys are deposited in two "key-escrow" data bases. Access to them would
be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a
wiretap, the White House said in a statement.
-30-
Dan McKinnon
--
Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario
416-629-7000/629-7044
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1993Apr15.163317.20805@cs.nott.ac.uk> eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (C.Wainwright) writes:
>In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>|> The authorities I am referring to is the authority of the world
>|> Islamic community over itself. My point was simply that Islamic
>|> law does apply to muslims wherever they are despite the fact that
>|> Islamic law may not be enforcable in non-Islamic countries.
>Muslims residing in the UK may decide to be 'tried' (or whatever) by the
>Islamic community, but their rulings have no legal consequences in these
>isles.
It's not really their _decision_ to be tried. The rulings _do_ have
legal consequences, but only in Islamic law and not in UK law (this
should be obvious). Enforcing a judgment is distinct from the making
of a judgment. Take for example the judgments of the World Court. This
is an internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often have no
physical or economic effect but which _are_ important despite the fact
that their judgments cannot be enforced
>The person may be excommunicated (or similar) but if it decided to
>mete out violent laws such as the fatwa then it would be breaking UK laws
>itself, and the persons doing such would be liable to prosecution.
Of course, have you read any of this thread before this post?
> To ignore
>the country's laws in preference to religious laws which are not indigenous
>to the country in question is an absurd and arrogant notion.
Of course, it is a sort of anarchism. Anarchism is explicitly against
Islam. Thank you for your well reasoned response, but it is beside the
points I've been making in this thread.
Gregg
| 0alt.atheism |
REFLECTIONS ON BOSNIA
LORD OWEN AND THE SERBS
In early February '93, Lord Owen made appearances in New York City
on the Donahue and Charlie Rose shows. On a couple of occasions on
those shows Lord Owen gave away his pro-Serbian position when he
made the point that much or most of the Bosnian territory then in
dispute or already overrun by Serbian forces had been controlled
and occupied by Serbs before WWII. It was as if he were saying
that since the Serbs had previously occupied those territories and
lost them during the Hitler years, they should be allowed to
reconquer them today.
I was familiar with this view because my father, a Yugoslav Jew
who escaped to this country during the war, was aided and found
sympathy among the Serbs during those harrowing years. In recent
months when the subject of Serbian aggression was mentioned, my
father would make the point that 850,000 Serbs were killed by Nazi
and pro-Nazi Croatian forces known as the Ustasha. My father is
so pro-Serbian that he dismissed reports of Serbian atrocities. My
father also excoriated New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis,
because, my father said, Anthony Lewis "is always talking about
the Muslims."
Update--April 28, 1993 After an uneasy truce in and around
Sbernica, shelling has resumed in nearby areas by all sides and
the killing and the misery continues apace while the Clinton
administration dithers its response. In the days leading to the
collapse of resistance at Sbernica, Lord Owen changed his tune.
Previously he had opposed military intervention on the grounds
that it would endanger U.N. relief workers. When Serbian forces
began to march on Sbernica, the threat to U.N. relief soldiers
went unmentioned while Lord Owen called for outside intervention
to stop Serbian aggression, including the use of air strikes. The
current disastrous situation can be seen as a failure of the West
and a failure of the Vance-Owen initiative which did nothing to
halt the Serbs. Now that it's too late to save Muslim areas that
Lord Owen felt should be in a Muslim state, Lord Owen belatedly
calls for strong action.
CLINTON AND BOSNIA
In the summer of 1992, George Kenney, a senior State Department
official, the undersecretary in charge of the Yugoslav desk, made
news when he resigned from the State Department because of the
Bush administration's refusal to take any action to halt Serbian
aggression. As Kenney saw it, Bush's inaction was largely due to
the president's unwillingness to risk any political capital by
getting involved there.
Apparently the same is true of the Clinton administration.
Clinton gives the impression that he cares more than Bush did
about the terrible ongoing tragedy, but the practical effect has
so far been the same.
According to the New York Times, (4/16/93) the Clinton
administration did everything it could to suppress a mid-March
report by its own experts which called for military action if
necessary to protect "safe havens" for the Muslims. At one point,
Senate majority leader, George Mitchell was so incensed that the
report was kept from Congress, that he called for an
investigation.
Instead of helping the desperate Bosnians, Clinton has signalled
again and again that Milosevic and the Serbs are free to do what
they want in Bosnia--indeed, Clinton and the West have been
signalling that the Serbs should get on with the job and finish
off the Bosnians as quickly as possible while we turn the other
way. A key signal was when Clinton made it clear that he would
NOT send in American military forces on the ground. On this
issue, Clinton has made me wistful for Bush. Bush and Baker could
not have done worse, and might have been pressured to do better
well before this time. Lives in Bosnia might have been saved and
the destruction might have been curtailed..
The Nation, the left and "the Bosnian QUANDARY"
Typical of the left's inability to come to grips with the core
issue involved in Bosnia, i.e., a clear aggressor destroying
hundreds of thousands of lives, is the editorial on the "Bosnian
quandary" in The Nation (4/26/93). In the end the editorial votes
to do nothing, even while noticing "the ghastly atrocities of the
Bosnian Serbs" and that the "greater and lesser powers...dither
and fuss [and] hang back." ("Before anything else happens, the
Clinton Administration ought to pay the $530 million the United
States owes the" U.N. the editorial concludes.)
In its most striking passage, the editorial writer warns that
"those who are pushing President Clinton to intervene on the side
of the Bosnians had better review U.S. foreign policy since World
War II." The editorial argues for inaction on the basis that the
Bosnian Serbs are no worse than any number of U.S. clients
including the Chileans, the South Africans, the Greek fascists and
others. (In a subsequent column for The Nation, Christopher
Hitchens correctly called this editorial, "contemptible.")
***
William Pfaff, a European based journalist who writes for the The
New Yorker and the Los Angeles Times, is among a group of liberal
columnists like Anthony Lewis, and Leslie Gelb who have clearly
and consistently called for strong Western and American
intervention to stop the Serbs. Pfaff's most recent column
(Liberal Opinion Week 4/19/93) is entitled "International
Cowardice Worsened Bosnian Tragedy."
He clarifies the international failure which has led to present
situation in one sentence. "Having refused to intervene to
sanction the threat to minority rights in newly independent
Croatia in June 1991, or to block or penalize the military
aggression by Serbia that immediately followed, and the atrocious
"ethnic cleansing" which followed that, the United Nations now
contemplates deploying in Bosnia military force on a scale which
two years ago could have deterred the horrors Yugoslavia has since
experienced." He goes on to explain that U.N. plans now envisaged
call for a "more daunting and open-ended military assignment than
a direct military intervention to halt the aggression would have
been a year ago."
Aryeh Neier on the Serbs In his "Watching Rights" column in the
The Nation (5/3/93) Aryeh Neier gets to the heart of the
motivation of the "aggressors"--the preferred term for the Serbian
forces who have been besieging and shelling Sarajevo for more than
a year. He explains that "there is no military purpose that is
served by the destruction of its fabric and its people...Above
all, few of those aligned with the forces attacking Sarajevo would
want to live there even if the city could be rebuilt. They are
not city people.
"It is this, I believe--aside from a desire to break the morale of
Bosnians and make them press their government to accept peace at
any price--that explains the conduct of the siege of
Sarajevo...[I]t is a loathing for all that is urban, pluralist and
cosmopolitan that has made Sarajevo the object for devastation.
"Historically, most of the Serbian population in Bosnia and
Herzegovina has been rural, while Muslims, who were the civil
servants and intelligentsia during the centuries of Ottoman rule,
made up a disproportionate share of the urban population....The
destruction of Sarajevo is not only an expression of hostility
against this city; it is also an attack on the urban idea....The
demagogues who whipped up the passions let loose by this war
exploited not only ethnic and religious bigotry but also hatred
for all that is cosmopolitan."
The light that Neier sheds on the issue helps to clarify what is
at stake. The Serbs represent the know-nothing, anti-secularist,
fundamentalist, fascist forces who are attacking the urban,
cosmopolitan, secular, multi-cultural idea. They are attacking
the rest of us, just as Hitler did. One irony is that at the
beginning of the crisis over Bosnia, it was for awhile maintained
by the Serbs and their supporters that they were responding to a
threat by the Bosnian Muslims to create a fundamentalist state.
Neier has shown that it is the Serbs who are the great threat to
secularism, multi-culturalism, diversity and democracy. It's the
Serbs who are attacking the democratic notion, the democratic
idea.
Anthony Lewis comes close to the point when he asks why does
respect for Clinton's presidency "depend...on his acting
effectively against Serbian aggression?...First of all because to
do nothing about genocide would be such a betrayal of the values
we and our allies profess." (Times, 4/26/93) But it's not merely
a betrayal of our values. It's because the Serbs are attacking us
by proxy, just as Hitler was.
One argument for decisive action by the West that is heard in a
different form, is that war in the Balkans is destablizing for
Europe. We hear it as, the Bosnians are Europe's Palestinians;
that is to say, just as the Palestinian refugee problem has been
the key to instability in the Middle East, just so will the
hundreds of thousands of Yugoslav refugees of all ethnicities
result in turmoil in Europe for decades to come.
One of the lessons of the twentieth century is that even though
the Atlantic Ocean divides us, the Americas are ultimately tied to
the destiny of Europe. If Europe is destabilized, the U.S. will
inevitably be affected and drawn into its problems. As in a
whirlpool, sooner or later we will be drawn into the maelstrom.
And as past history and Pfaff have shown, it's much better if we
do so decisively, quickly and on our terms.
Sincerely, Ronald Bleier
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
I have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been
in storage and will not format. I suspected that the switch settings
may have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to
another. Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive. It has
J1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches. SW2 is the one that
selects the drive number. If you have info on this drive, or know
a number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by
email. It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17.
Thanks in advance!
Chuck Browning
--
*****************************************************
* Charles W. Browning * browning@galois.nscf.org *
* University of GA * browning@moe.coe.uga.edu *
* Augusta, Georgia * cbrowni@eis.calstate.edu *
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Hello, I am looking for commercial software packages for professional
fashion designers. Any recommendation and pointers are greatly appreciated.
Please e-mail me, if you may. Thanks a million. -- Ge
| 1comp.graphics |
Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of
2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet
Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion
of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical
documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs,
was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors,
program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and
radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide
of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people
of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the
lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is
mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their
lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations
may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and
prosperously.
------------------------- letter ----------------------------------
During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which
not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the
method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day,
Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order
to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland,
which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia
continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:
1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.
2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish
Genocide.
3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to
silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.
4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.
Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government
is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.
Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its
terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks
to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically
exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on
this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of
governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition
of the Turkish Genocide.
With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial
demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people
will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims
of the Turkish Genocide demand:
1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian
Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;
2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and
Kurdish people;
3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for
their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;
4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially
recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse
to succumb to all Armenian political pressure;
5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it
has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially
recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be
supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands;
6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact
of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of
2.5 million Muslim people in their history books.
The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the
efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first
genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new
generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically
mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through
all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the
armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon
all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in
the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary
of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes:
> Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them
> a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd
> amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended.
National Rifle Association
1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20036-3268
1-800-368-5714 (membership)
--
| Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu |
| University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 |
| "If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit |
| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war" |
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Is it possible to have xdm put up a multi-line greeting? If so, how do
I specify such a thing in the Xresources file? I don't have much
(anything) for X books, so I can't look it up. Thanks.
--
Mark Van Overbeke Systems Software Programmer
Computing Services BITNET: Mark@UMNMOR.BITNET (VMS)
University of Minnesota, Morris INTERNET: Mark@caa.mrs.umn.edu (VMS)
Morris, MN 56267 1-612-589-6378 mark@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Ultrix)
--
Success is the progressive realization of your worthwhile goal or dream!
| 5comp.windows.x |
Seagate ST-212, HH, 10MB, $25
IBM, FH, 30MB, $70
They all are MFM type and in good working condition.
Buyers pay shipping.
ailin
803-654-8817
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <strnlghtC5t4o3.K5p@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>Actually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their
>"product" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some "trusted" pair
>of escrow agencies) has to have the key.
>
>Most of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our
>cars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt
>that if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the
>government.
>Chances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks
>they've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also
>provide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order.
Of course, nothing prevents you from buying a new lock with cash
and installing it yourself. Even modifying the core to match some
arbitrary key is not difficult to do at home. I once knew someone who
had fixed his locks in this way - his house, office and cars all took
the same key (which he took GOOD care of :-)
>The state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they
>have a court order.
>Bad analogy.
Very bad (yours, that is). Have you ever had a safety deposit box?
They work on a two-key system. The bank clerk has one, and you have
the other (they are different keys). The bank does NOT keep a copy of
your key. If you lose it, they have to drill out the lock, and replace
the door. This is a time consuming and expensive process (which they
will be happy to charge to your account :-).
This process is exactly analogous to having a private key which
is NOT in a escrow system, and the state having to crack your cipher
to get the data.
Please do not use false analogies.
Peter Trei
ptrei@mitre.org
| 11sci.crypt |
I've got the same problem; I can't dig up any info on the jumper settings
on the hd 3.5" drives.
Can anyone recommend a reference book(s) on the subject, rather than a
"quick fix" type answer?? I was going to start hooking up things and
logging the results, but the prospect of a ten second smoke test deters
me...
Thanks, Kirk Cowen.
-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
| 12sci.electronics |
The concept of God as a teacher is indeed interesting. Does He grade on
a curve, does He cheat? That is interesting. Not to mention thought
provoking. My own concept is that He is a Father and we are His
children. In that He loves us, with a love that we can never understand
until we are with Him. The Bible says that He looks on the heart as the
final measure. From that perspective, in a grading context, the heart is
the final test.
Specifically, most Christians would agree that there is only one Heaven
and one Hell. From that perspective, it is Heaven or Hell. You either go
to one or the other. The "grading" on a pass/fail basis is done by God
the Father with intervention by Jesus the Son. Not by others. For only
God sees the heart. The Bible says of the heart, "...who can know it." I
would say there has always been, and always be, an unchanging method.
That is what makes a relationship with Christ so secure. In an uncertain
and ever changing landscape He is always the same. Yesterday, today and
tomorrow. Concerning whether or not our childhoods are considerd as part
of the test, my own conviction is no. Were that the case I certainly
wouldn't be going to Heaven. The Bible speaks very plainly about the
love and care Jesus had for and about children. The reality is that we
are all children. Some of us just have bigger bodies and grey hair. But
the Father, our Father is always there. Like most Fathers He wants only
the best for His own. There maybe decipline, but there is more love.
It's sometimes looks like Christianity is a test, to see who makes it
and who doesn't. Those who do pass=Heaven, and those who don't go to the
other place. But it is really much more than that...
There are few experts. Most of us are just travelers looking for the
light and the way Home. Praying that we can bring others with us.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
I am taking a course entitled "Exploring Science Using Internet".
For our final project, we are to find a compendium of Internet resources
dealing with a science-related topic. I chose Astronomy. Anyway, I was
wondering if anyone out there knew of any interesting resources on Internet
that provide information on Astronomy, space, NASA, or anything like that.
THANKS!
KEITH MALINOWSKI
STK1203@VAX003.Stockton.EDU
P.O. Box 2472
Stockton State College
Pomona, New Jersey 08240
| 14sci.space |
Hi,
Just a quick question. What standard lab solvents can be used to
clean electronic equipment and components safely (ie not corrode, dissolve,
short-out, etc the equipment)?
water? :-)
methanol?
CCl4?
etc?
I am not an electronics type (surprise, surprise), and I want to avoid using
freons.
Thanks, Adrian
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr21.040956.12823@wuecl.wustl.edu>
mvs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Michael Virata Sy) writes:
>
> Don't forget Paul Ysebaert, ex-Devil. He's a good team player.
And Dino Ciccarelli and Ray Sheppard and so on and so on.....
: )
Laurie Marshall
Wayne State University
Detroit, Michigan
Go Wings!!!!
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I am using xnlock as the screensaver for a PC-based X server. However,
after an interval of no activity, my X session ends. This does not
happen when I use xscreensaver.
My screensave command is fired up from my .xsession like this:
xautolock -time 1 -locker xnlock -corners ++++ -cornerdelay 1 &
My hypothesis is that xdm (I use xdmcp to start my X session) detects
a period of inactivity from the server, then terminates the session.
However, for some reason, this does not happen with xscreensaver. Is
there a workaround?
I'd prefer responses via e-mail.
Thanks.
--
"Economics is not for those who are atracted to real-world problems
which have simple and clear solutions. For these individuals, I
recommend astrology." -- Hugo Sonnenschein
| 5comp.windows.x |
lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>> Player: Points: +/- Subtraction:
>> ------- ------- ---- ------------
>> Lemieux 157 53 -104
>> LaFontaine 145 13 -132
>> Oates 141 12 -129
>> Yzerman 138 33 -105
>> Selanne 137 8 -129
>This is wrong. Among Lemieux's 157 points, we do NOT know how many
>are power play points. We may be able to find out how many PP goal he
>scored, but not how many PP assist he accumulated. We also don't know
>the # times he was on the ice but not credited on the goals the Pens
>scored.
That is what my point really was. There is not straight dependency between
the +/- and scored points. Apparently most of the netters have realized
it by themselves.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Quoting strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) in article <strnlghtC5t3nH.Is1@netcom.com>:
>In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>
>>So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front
>>ends.
>
>This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed
>encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without
>clipper?
Because that will make private encryption stick out like a sore thumb
and the government will start to take a sharp interest in everything you
do.
__ _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
| 11sci.crypt |
Hello,
Subject says it all. I need a GIF to Targa converter, so that my
dta15 could make a .FLI of them.
Krzysztof
| 1comp.graphics |
> If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a
> dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am
> trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have
> enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help.
There is a free program called 'xkernel' which does just that.
It is by Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu). It takes a sun 3 and
boots a limited kernel which allows you to run X. We converted 4
machines over this semester and the speedup is enormously appreciable
-- I find them faster than an NCD 15inch black&white XTerminal that we
are playing with, and a bigger screen to boot! As a matter of fact,
the department just bought some old sun3s at an auction to convert!
} Xkernel is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ctr.columbia.edu
} [128.59.64.40] in /Xkernel/Xkernel.shar (/Xkernel is a symlink to the
} latest version of Xkernel)
Note that the compiled version which is available is for the
sun 3/50, but compiling to work for a sun 3/1xx should be quite easy.
I am not connected with xkernel except as a satisfied
installer and user 8). I may be able to answer questions; feel free
to email me.
Greg Owen { gowen@forte.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@jade.tufts.edu }
Systems Programmer and TA, Tufts University Computer Science Dept.
230- All transfers are disclaimed by my host name and boss's address.
230- If you don't like this policy, disconnect now!
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <vzhivov.735193129@cunews> vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
>As the subject suggests the Flames were not impressive this afternoon,
>dropping a 6-3 decision to the LA Kings. Most of the Flames neglected
>to show up, especially in their own zone, as the Kings hit at least
>five posts! The Flames best line was probably
Mike Vernon is now 3 wins 11 losses plus that All-Star game debacle in
afternoon games during his career...with another afternoon game with
Los Angeles next Sunday...has the ABC deal doomed the Flames?
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1qkhju$43c@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
> Truth is better than falsehood,
So, if you were housing a Jew in your home in Holand, 1942; and
the SS troopers asks if you are housing a Jew, is it objectively better to
tell the truth, " I am holding a Jew ", than a falsehood, " No I am not
holding a Jew"?
In this case, let us assume that if you lie, the SS trooper leaves,
never to bother you. Either way, nothing is ever done to you- no prison,
trouble, etc.
Of course, if you tell the truth, then the Jew will be executed.
Is it better to tell the truth, or lie?
[ In this case, I would consider not saying anything to be a lie.
Or, at the very least, it implies that falsehood is on the same level of
telling the truth. Or, we can stipulate that the SS have methods to make you
say something: only they can not control whether or not you say "yes" or
"no". Only that you will say one or the other. ]
---
Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim)
writes:
>
> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod):
>
> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up?
>
> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide.
> No comparison.
>
> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey
> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and
> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate.
> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of
> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a
> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it.
I beleive this was the source of the Kennedy clan's money.
>
> So unless there's something I'm missing, I think your argument that guns
> won't be smuggled because theyr'e more difficult to manufacture, smuggle
> and hide won't wash. If enough people want something, somebody will try
> to supply it.
> --
> Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813
Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <poe.735289475@husc.harvard.edu>, poe@husc10.harvard.edu (Leslie Poe) writes:
>
> Likewise, I would love to know about a Cardinals mailing list. Please
> e-mail me if you have any information.
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Les Poe
> poe@husc.harvard.edu
This is the fifth request to find out about a Cardinals mailing list.
It looks like one does not exist. If anyone has the initiative,
creating a list might be a worthwhile activity.
Sam Passer
>
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1r2e9d$1nd@apple.com>, chuq@apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
|> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> >#45 DODY WOOD Season: 1st
|> >Acquired: 3rd round pick in 1991 entry draft
|> >Grade: I (D+/D, although perhaps I shouldn't give a grade at all)
|>
|> >I have been accused of knocking on Wood too much.
|>
|> You? Nah...
|>
|> He was seriously unimpressive, even as a tough guy (his rep). However, as
|> few games as he had in a season that was at that point meaningless, I hate
|> to judge the talent too quickly. Butn in Dody's case, I"m tempted to make an
|> exception.
|>
|> But I won't.
Wood played most of his junior career in Seattle. He was one
of the leading scorers on a mediocre team when he was traded away in
1992. He rarely lost a fight and was one of the toughest players in
the WHL.
However, I was extremely surprised when he was drafted, especially in
the third round. He certainly didn't look like NHL material...
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <pww-120493020107@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
>From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker)
>Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity
>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 07:06:33 GMT
>In article <1qaqi1INNgje@gap.caltech.edu>, werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew
>Tong) wrote:
>>
so what
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr26.202714.4519@Virginia.EDU> rj3s@Virginia.EDU ("Get thee to a nunnery.....") writes:
> I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles. This
>Andi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism.
OK, you've already disqualified yourself (who ever you are) from
being objective.
> You all are an insult to you race!
>{assuming you are also semitic}
Jews are a people with a common cultural heritage, religion, and history.
We are not a race.
> Now I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism
>during the 1930's and 1940's. The Hirgun, and other branch -
>off militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of
>Palestine. Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of
>terrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the
>Arabs. These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British
>soldiers
You don't see a difference between killing British soldiers (who were
preventing Jews who tried to escape the Nazis from entering the
British mandate) and Arab terrorist who kill civilian men, women, and
children?!?
>I mention this not because I'm anti semitic [I'm part
>Jewish]
That's ridiculuous on atleast two counts. First of all, even if you identify
yourself as completely Jewish that doesn't rule out the possibility that you're
a self-hating anti-semite. One can always find Jews who are uncomfortable with
their identities (since they only want Jews to be cowering victims) and are
willing to speak up for their enemies. Secondly, the strength or weakness of
your arguments does not depend on your identity.
-Adam Schwartz
(not affraid to sign my name).
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1r27vo$425@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:
>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>:mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes:
>:
>:According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off
>:began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh
>:had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound.
>:These were the "perfect children" resulting from the "great seed" of
>:his "magnified horn". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar
>:to the way Jim Jones has been described.
>
>I don't know how accurate the documentary was;
The documentary interviewed Koresh and current and ex-members.
The documentary disucussed Koresh's "Christ" status inside the cult,
cult brain-washing techniques, and unusual sex practices (the leader
gets any he wants, and tells others when they can or can't). I will let
others decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is
technically child abuse or not.
>however, Koresh was never
>convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for
>child abuse.
>Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations,
All true.
>so this information is irrelevant to the discussion.
Well, if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult, then the
history and background of the cult is very relevant. The history
and backgournd of the Jones cult was very important in understanding
what happened at Jonestown.
Not taking into account the history and background of Koresh's cult may
also help explain why the FBI and BATF so badly predicted the reponses
they would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in
this badly handled affair.
>:FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background
>:checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their
>:decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill
>:Koresh's own prophecy?
>
>Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether
>their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who
>is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds
>meaning for the nine who survived.
It is likely that there will be at least two investigations (JD and congress)
at this point.
>:>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far,
>:>no one else has been able to talk to them.
>:
>:So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same
>:details, will you believe them?
>
>*IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then,
>however.
Interesting and conflicting details are starting to come out. I have
reverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional
or accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast.
>
>Mike Ruff
>--
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
George William Herbert sez:
>Hmm. $1 billion, lesse... I can probably launch 100 tons to LEO at
>$200 million, in five years, which gives about 20 tons to the lunar
>surface one-way. Say five tons of that is a return vehicle and its
>fuel, a bigger Mercury or something (might get that as low as two
>tons), leaving fifteen tons for a one-man habitat and a year's supplies?
>Gee, with that sort of mass margins I can build the systems off
>the shelf for about another hundred million tops. That leaves
>about $700 million profit. I like this idea 8-) Let's see
>if you guys can push someone to make it happen 8-) 8-)
I like your optimism, George. I don't know doots about raising that kind
of dough, but if you need people to split the work and the $700M, you just
give me a ring :-) Living alone for a year on the moon sounds horrid, but
I'd even try that, if I got a bigger cut. :-)
-Tommy Mac
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| 14sci.space |
I'm thinking of buying a new Dodge Intrepid - Has anyone had any
experiences that they'd like to share?
Thanks.
BobC
| 7rec.autos |
We are making a transition from NextStep to X-windows. I am trying to find the best GUI tool for our needs. I have looked at several tools but they all seem basically the same (each salesman will beg to differ). I realize that there are differences but I don't have an infinate amount of time to discover what they are. The tools I have looked at so far are UIM/X, X-designer, Tele-Use, tcl/tk,Interviews, and SUIT.
So far I've drawn the following conclusions:
1) The builder for Interviews is not very mature, bad docs
2) Tele-Use is very expensive and uses a proprietary toolkit
3) UIM/X & X-designer seem about the same, even though X-designer does not have a interpreter (I'll by Centerline if I need one)
4) tcl/tk is a little buggy
5) I know very little about the ICS Builder (just have the sales info)
6) Due to a corporate agreement X-designer is much cheeper than any other comercial product.
7) For the time I'm spending I could have bought all of them (well different money)
8) We will have to live with any shortcomings and make it work
9) this type of tool seems great, but noone seems to talk about them on the net. Is there another news group for this ?
10) SUIT cost too much for comercial development.
I'm hoping someone out there has a strong opinion on at least one of these products.
thanks
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| 5comp.windows.x |
>San Francisco Quakes
----------
By the way, Quakes is the nickname for the Padres affiliate
in the California League: the Rancho Cucamunga Quakes!
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I'd appreciate any advice about a video card for my system:
486-33 DX, 16 mb of ram
on a Novell 3.11 network
Monitor: NEC 4FGe, capable of 76 Hz vertical refresh rate
Major considerations:
I expect I will work mostly in windows, but with some DOS
applications and I would want decent speed in DOS. I do mostly word
processing, database and communications--not much intensive graphics.
With a 15" monitor, I expect I will work mostly in 800X600 and 256
colors seems plenty, but I'd like like the image to be sharp, fast,
and rock solid.
Other considerations:
I sometimes run a Unix clone (Coherent) and I understand that some
companies (e.g. Diamond?) don't encourage the third-party
development of drivers.
I might move to OS/2 if I decide I need better speed and reliability
than I get with Windows for my database work and multitasking.
I don't have a local bus motherboard--I'm not sure how much to invest
in an ISA video board (versus getting something less expensive now and
upgrading to local bus later).
I like buying things from companies that treat their customers well.
If you have any advice for me, I'd love to hear it via email or post.
Thanks.
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA|
|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ <David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU> ____ Fax: 413/545-0996|
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function
drawed a line as below fingure:
width = 300
================================
| |
| |
| p1 |
| \ |
| \ | height = 300
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \ |
| \|p3
| |
|===============================| \
\
p2
I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.
But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).
My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct
p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3.
x3 = 300;
@ = art tan (( 800 - 100)/(500 - 270)) = 71.81 degrees;
y3 = 100 + x3/tan(@) = 100 + 300/tan(71.81) = 198.58 ~= (integer) 199.
How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not?
Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't
wan to.
Thanks in advance!
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr30.145450.1@stsci.edu> hathaway@stsci.edu writes:
>..
>>
>> After all the space walking, they are going to re-boost the HST's
>> orbit. I think right now it's sitting at 180 miles up,
>> they would like 220. I don't know the exact orbit numbers.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>As Ben says - this re-boost idea is all news to us here. Do you know
>something we don't? Please supply a source - it would be nice for
>the schedulers of observations to know where the thing is going to
>be. These altitude numbers are also way off.
>
>My best source has:
>"Minimum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is: 573 Kilometers"
>"Maximum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is: 603 Kilometers"
>"Delta ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is: 3 Kilometers"
>
>(PMDB is Proposal Management Data Base - used to schedule observations.)
>..
>
I am sure your numbers are far better then mine. As i said above,
i don't have exact numbers.
>> In order to perform the re-boost of the HST, the OMS engines
>> will be fired for a long period. Now the shuttle is a heavy
>> thing. THe HST isn't light either. THe amount of OMS fuel
>> needed to fly both up is substantial. a small booster
>> carried up and used to boost HST on it's own will weigh significantly
>> less then the OMS fuel required to Boost both HST and SHUttle,
>> for a given orbital change.
>>
>
>Could you supply some calculations? You might check some recent
>postings that explained that 'a small booster' as suggested does
>not now exist, so comparing the mass of something that doesn't
>exist to the mass of the OMS fuel seems impossible. The contamination
>threat also remains.
>
How different would the contamination threat of a small manuevering tug
be from that of the Shuttle and it's OMS engines??????
I know that no small manuevering tug exists, but maybe one could
soup up a Bus 1. Does anyone out there have the de-clasified
specs on hte BUS 1? would it be able to provide enough control
force to balance the HST, and still have the rocket thrust
to hurl her into a decent high orbit?
>..
>>
>> or the HST could even get placed into some sort of medium orbit.
>> The reason they want a high orbit, is less antenna pointing,
>> and longer drag life.
>>
> Longer drag life I can understand, but could you explain the
>antenna pointing?
Sorry, that should be intrument pointing.
>
>> Whatever it is, the problem in the tilt array is a big constraint
>> on HST ops.
>
>Tell me about it. Although the arrays can be (and are) moved perfectly
>well utilizing the second electronics box. Getting them both working
>is much desireable so as to reclaim redundancy.
Plus, if the second box gets fritzy, you could be in shitter ville
real fast.
>
>I don't mean to jump on you - helpful suggestions are always welcome
>and we all know the more ideas the better, but I do want the true
>situation to be described clearly and correctly, lest some get
>confused.
>
>Regards,
>Wm. Hathaway
The problem is no-one seems to have the exact numbers. When the mission
was planned originally at 3 spacewalks, and 3 astronauts, there was
enormous concern over the mass margins for the flight. THey
have now planned for 5 EVA's, an 11 day mission and have 2 reserve
EVA's and an emergency EVA. Obviously that is coming from somewhere.
My guess is the OMS burn fuel, or re-boost margin.
I just figured, if GOldin wants to really, prove out faster, cheaper
better, have some of the whiz kids slap together an expendable
space manuevering tug out of a BUs1, and use that for the re-boost.
it has to be better then using the Discovery as a tow truck.
pat
| 14sci.space |
In article <mssC5K4w5.GqE@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
>
>I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the
>only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter
>has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three.
>Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each.
Johnny Mize had six three-HR games, which is the current record.
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| Bob Holt |
| rjh@allegra.att.com |
+-----------------------+
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Hi there,
I'm looking for help on hi-rez CGA modes (hey, i know it sounds crazy but at
the moment it's got to do). My card's manual says it does something like
640 by 400 2 colour and 640 by 200 4 colour (the card has 64k memory). Could
anyone give me some help on how to implement these modes (Assembly language
is fine). Any other usefull tips on the CGA regs will also help.
Thanx in advance...
Frans.
My eMail is
leander@up.ac.za
| 1comp.graphics |
Has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who
were willing, nay demanding, that we wait forever for Mr Hussein and
Iraq, that we use tremendously costly "sanctions", to avoid a loss
of life, are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should
have smashed those "religious radicals" and we were wasting money allowing
this stand off to go on ? How the worm turns when the sect changes.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993May10.022806.8186@griffin.itc.gu.edu.au> michaelw@itc.gu.edu.au writes:
>Does anyone have any ideas that may be implemented to help prevent users from
>losing sight of the cursor in an XTerm window under certain circumstances where
>there are many screen-based fields.
>
>What I would like to do is make the cursor flash on or off, but so far haven't
>found a way of doing so. Has anybody else had similar problems or fixes to
>make a cursor stand out more than the standard type.
Users can't find the cursor? Run "xneko" - it'll turn the cursor into a
mouse (rodent variety (-: ). If your users still can't find it, the cat will!
--
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Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877
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UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle
| 5comp.windows.x |
Rawley Eastwick
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
this must be a FAQ from the very first days of the 13"RGB!!!!
and as for a better monitor for your $$, well, the NEC 4FG/3FGx are
pretty nice...
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background
material would also be welcome.
If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server
I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Al Dykes
--------
adykes@jpr.com
adykes@ad.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
We run "SpaceNews & Views" on our STAREACH BBS, a local
operation running WWIV software with the capability to link to
over 1500 other BBS's in the U.S.A. and Canada through WWIVNet.
Having just started this a couple of months ago, our sub us
currently subscribed by only about ten other boards, but more
are being added.
We get our news articles re on Internet, via ftp from NASA
sites, and from a variety of aerospace related periodicals. We
get a fair amount of questions on space topics from students
who access the system.
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| 14sci.space |
Hmm. $1 billion, lesse... I can probably launch 100 tons to LEO at
$200 million, in five years, which gives about 20 tons to the lunar
surface one-way. Say five tons of that is a return vehicle and its
fuel, a bigger Mercury or something (might get that as low as two
tons), leaving fifteen tons for a one-man habitat and a year's supplies?
Gee, with that sort of mass margins I can build the systems off
the shelf for about another hundred million tops. That leaves
about $700 million profit. I like this idea 8-) Let's see
if you guys can push someone to make it happen 8-) 8-)
[slightly seriously]
-george william herbert
Retro Aerospace
| 14sci.space |
> I am looking for information on any work that deals with real-time
> support in X-windows????!!
> Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information
Concurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time
extensions to the X Window System. RealTimeX is currently supported on
the Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics
accelerator. If you need/want more info, let me know.
- sam black
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| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr3.212139.14076@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1pj9bs$d4j@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>I would say that one innocent person killed is in some sense
>>as bad as many. We certainly feel that way when we punish
>>someone for a single murder.
>>Now if we reform system X, by reducing the number of deaths
>>by one, we produce system XX. I'd say we should not go back
>>to system X, even though by doing so we would re-introduce only
>>a single extra death.
>
>Bob seems to think that one is as bad as many in a sense somewhat stronger than
>the one you indicate.
>--
Yes, I do.
My argument is that the sole purpose of the death penalty is to
kill people. That is it's primary (and I would argue only)
purpose. To continue to kill people by a practice that has
almost no utility, especially when you know you will be killing
innocents, is unconscionable.
At the very least, the existence of the prison system and our
transportation system are based on their merits to society, not
their detriments. We are willing to accept a few lost innocent
lives because there is an overwhelming benefit to the continued
existence of these systems. One has to stretch the evidence and
the arguments to make the same claim for capital punishment.
Just in case I wasn't clear again: We maintain a capital
punsihment system that kills innocent people and provides us with
no net positive gain. Why?
Were you to pin me in a corner and ask, I would have to respond
that I don't belief the state should have the right to take life
at all. But I won't open that debate, as it seems others are
tiring of this thread on a.a anyway.
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They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C67G01.2J1@efi.com> alanm@efi.com (Alan Morgan) writes:
>In article <C65oIL.436@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
> alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Alexander P. Zijdenbos) writes:
>
>>I am neither a real believer, nor a disbeliever when it comes to
>>so-called "paranormal" stuff; but as far as I'm concerned, it is just
>>as likely as the existence of, for instance, a god, which seems to be
>>quite accepted in our societies - without any scientific basis.
>
>Oooooh. Bad example. I'm an atheist.
>
This is not flame, or abuse, nor do I want to start another thread (this
is, after all, supposed to be about IMAGE PROCESSING).
BUT, to say you're an atheist is to suggest you have PROOF there is NO GOD.
To be a politically-correct skeptic, better to go with agnostic, like me! :)
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| 13sci.med |
Great SLR camera (Ricoh) for sale. Has all the Nikon FE features, and also
shutter speeds form 16 seconds and down. Excellent condition. With accessories
such as a zoom lens. Very reasonable price.
Send e-mail.
| 6misc.forsale |
Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at
expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.
Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...
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| 13sci.med |
jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes:
>In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com
>(Tommy Szeto) writes:
>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every
>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
>> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually
>happens
>> after a good thunder storm. A few Qs:
>>
>> 1) Is this a common problem?
>> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?
>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back. I
>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the
>spare. Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above
>the level of the spare area.
>This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires)
>that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!!
I've got an 89 GT. It has the smoked taillight assembly. I think this is where
the water is getting in. When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear
taillights fogged up with moisture. I took it in to the dealer and they replaced
the entire assembly. It happened to the other one about 3 months later. This time
I happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there. The
dealer was more reluctant this time to replace it. But I convinced them to
fix it. (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same
problem.) I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5
years, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again. I'm going to try
to take it back to get them to fix it again. I'm real tempted to drill some vent
and drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it. This is
getting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.)
Vel
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:
> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
it is a false statement. Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.
My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.
====================================================
John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
ttrusk@its.mcw.edu (Thomas Trusk) writes:
:
: BUT, to say you're an atheist is to suggest you have PROOF there is NO GOD.
: To be a politically-correct skeptic, better to go with agnostic, like me! :)
:
As a self-proclaimed atheist my position is that I _believe_ that there is
no god. I don't claim to have any proof. I interpret the agnostic position
as having no beliefs about god's existence.
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grante@aquarius.rosemount.com |
| 13sci.med |
Game two of the Detroit - Toronto series will be a rougher game. I believe
that Clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars. I believe that Probert
will take exception to this and a fight between Clark and Probert will result.
I know this sounds kind of ridiculous, but I know game two Toronto will come
out hitting.
Any takers on this issue?
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Does anyone have a reference (something I can look up, not just your own
recollections -- I have a few of those myself) on the temperature of the
(night) sky as seen from space?
Note, I am *not* talking about the temperature of the Microwave Background
Radiation. There are more things in the sky than just the MBR; what I'm
after is total blackbody temperature -- what a thermal radiator would see,
disregarding (or shielding against) the Sun and nearby large warm objects.
My dim recollection is that the net effective temperature is substantially
higher than that of the MBR, once you figure in things like stars and the
zodiacal light, but I'd like numbers.
--
SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 14sci.space |
Price reduced: asking $165 only!
| 6misc.forsale |
I have an unopened CD called "Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie
Parker" It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie,
Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young.
I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade
it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.
joe
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <C50nH4.4Et@odin.corp.sgi.com> luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
>Will Clark
>Matt Williams
>Robbie Thompson
>Rod Beck........All came up through the Giants system.
Geez. Everyone comes up with Clark, Williams, Thompson. These guys
were all up in 1987. That's ancient history. So in the last 6 years,
noone, right? Beck doesn't count. I said 2 solid years.
>BTW, Manwaring lead the ML last season in throwing out baserunners. He is
>an excellent defensive catcher. I agree that his offensive skills are
>limited but he does seem to be improving on them.
Let's see what he does w/o the help of a pitchout every other pitch.
As I remember, even Bob Brenly had a good throwout percentage under
Roger Craig, who loved to sacrifice the count for runners being thrown
out. Of course, he suffered from 3 ball 1 strike homers a lot too.
I am not a big fan of Manwaring.
--dave
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr23.205257.10578@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes:
>Hi,
> I am looking for a very high speed
>D/A converter (at least 8bits and 150MHz) for
>a research application. A paper in the January
>issue of IEEE Solid-State Circuits mentions a
>GaAs, 1GHz, 8bit DAC - anyone know where I can find
>such a thing? Even a somewhat slower Si DAC would
>do.
> Needless to say, I have looked in all the
>conventional places (Vitesse, Motorola, National,
>etc. etc.). Any pointers would be appreciated.
Think video. Brooktree sells a whole line of DACs that can
be used, normally for graphics applications, in either 50 or
75 ohm systems. For example, the BT468 can be had in speeds
up to about 200 mHz, BT492 to 360 mHz, and 400 mHz with the
BT109.
>--- Seema Varma
Rick Spanbauer,
SUNY/Stony Brook
| 12sci.electronics |
behrens@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eric Behrens) writes:
>The Babe and The Pride of the Yankees offer very different renditions of
>the sotry about Ruth and Gherig hitting home runs for the boy in the
>hospital. Can some historian out there explain "history's" version of the
>story.
>I wouldn't put is past either (or both) of the movies to season the truth
>with a little extra spice.
>Any other comments as to inaccuracies in these two movies?
Good question! I kind of wondered about this myself. Just one
thought I had on it - the Babe himself was IN "Pride of the
Yankees", which made me think
a) that version may be closer to the truth, and
b) the Babe must have been a pretty good gut to be in the movie even
though some of the scenes didn't make him look completely flattering.
--
Chris Roney (e-mail chris_roney@sfu.ca)
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
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| 6misc.forsale |
Our Moderator writes:
> I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as
> indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view.
...
> It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold
> it officially are the JW's and SDA's.
I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate
somewhere that hell might be "the state of once having been a human
soul"?
| 15soc.religion.christian |
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...
>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so
>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism?
To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the
truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to
control events.
Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two
relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute
truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that
produces the desired results.
Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing
objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there
is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals,
you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees
with you is amoral.
Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,
I'd say that compromise seems to be "better".
--
Ray Fischer "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth
ray@netcom.com than lies." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
| 19talk.religion.misc |
My (then) wife used to get recurrent yeast infections. One day, her
doctor sent her home with medication for her and a pill for me. I took
the pill, upon her insistence, and was very relieved the next day when I
looked it up in the PDR. It only RARELY causes testicular atrophy...
Anyway, men apparently do get yeast infections.
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr20.001815.14049@grace.rt.cs.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard Wojcik) writes:
>In article 735071359@utkvm1.utk.edu, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr14.195912.16613@grace.rt.cs.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard Wojcik) writes:
>>>
>>>Directly contradicted by the NEJM study that compared crime in Seattle and
>>>Vancouver, B.C. The non-gun rates were roughly the same for both cities. The
>>>difference in violent crime rates was almost totally gun-related.
>>
>> And as was not pointed out in the study, but in critiques
>>of it, (two seperate articles by James Wright and David Kopel come
>>to mind) it was pointed out that the difference was *also* almost
>>entirely minority related. That is, the gun crime rate skyrocketed
>>for poor minorities (Blacks and Hispanics primarily) while when you
>>compared the white majority they were virutally identical.
>
>Many of the people who never read the NEJM article believe that this
>critique is valid. In fact, the study explores the minority issue at length
>and cites studies to back up its contention that poverty, not minority
>"type", is the relevant factor in violence statistics.
Perhaps I failed to make myself clear: Minorities in the U.S.
*correlate* with poverty. This isn't good and we should address it,
but we shouldnt' ignore that minorities and poverty *do* tend to go
together.
*Does* Vancouver have a consistantly poor population drawn along
racial lines? If it doesn't, then assumptions of being able to compare
minority vs. majority in both cities is questionable at best.
>>...
>>>Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Those areas implemented gun control because of
>>>the high rates.
>>
>> True only to a certain extent. Take Washington D.C., where
>>gun control was instituted while it had crime problems true, but that
>>crime proceeded to explode afterwards. Similarly for New York.
>
>Actually, I don't know whether any serious studies have been done for both
>cities. Usenet-style statistical arguments are not very serious, usually
>involving people sitting by computers with the latest World Almanac figures.
>I had heard of a study on Washington, DC, that seemed to indicate a significant
>drop in gun-related violence there after the laws were implemented. I heard
>Gary Kleck comment on the radio that he thought the decline in suicide rates
>was related to the new laws, but he doubted their affect on other gun-related
>violence. I have never seen a report on the study, nor have any of my pro-gun
>friends had much to say about that report. Remember, you can't just say that
>crime increases indicate a failure of the laws to affect crime rates. You don't
>know whether the *rate* of increase would have been different without the
>laws.
If the *rate* of increase over a period of several years remains
unchanged, or increases, I think it's not a far jump to say that the laws
are not effective. No, you can't sit down and say that things wouldn't
have been worse. I don't have a crystal ball and neither do you. However,
that road leads us to a place where it is impossible to critique *any*
action. If it gets down to be, "It might have been worse without them,"
then there *is* no valid objection, which I'm sure would amuse certain
people to no end.
>You don't know whether the laws prevented a threefold-increase or
>failed to stop a two-fold increase.
So we've got a situation where we have several options:
1) The crime rate decreased: Obviously gun control worked.
2) The crime rate remained the same: It would have been worse
without gun control.
3) The crime rate increased: Perhaps the laws prevented an
even bigger increase.
Cute testing ground we've got. All responses support the proposition
that gun control works.
The question is this: Did Washington D.C. experiance an increase
in its violent and/or gun crime rate which was greater than the pattern
indicated prior to the implemented gun control laws. If it did, then
the suggestion that the problem the gun control laws were designed to
"control" did not exist in their entirety prior to the gun control laws.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - "I still remember the way you laughed, the day
your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't
love me anymore." - "Weird Al"
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <185900001@hpindda.cup.hp.com>, jimb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (James Bruder) writes:
|> anyone else experiencing a similar problem?
|>
|> This concerns the clutch on a 92 Honda Accord 5 speed. When the clutch
|> is first used in the morning, about the first 4 miles of shifting, there
|> is a significant amount of clutch chatter until things warm up. Then the
|> clutch shifts smoothly. This chatter started when I moved to the San
|> Francisco Bay area from a low-humidity environment. The dealer stated
|> that this is known to happen since Honda changed from an asbestos to
|> non-asbestos clutch material. No remedy!! Seems that moisture on clutch
|> surface causes slipping until the moisture evaporates.
|>
|> Any comments out there?
The clutch on my '92 Honda Civic EX-V (EX in the U.S.) does this too.
It's annoying. Now that I think about, it _is_ worse when the humidity is
high. The dealer also claims there's nothing they can do since the clutch is
a "self-adjusting hydraulic design". Yeah, right.
--
Doug Zolmer Internet: dwjz@bnr.ca Disclaimer: My opinions only
Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |
Dept. 7N61 - Service Control Point - Routing Services Design | Conform:- Moooo!
| 7rec.autos |
tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote:
>: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of
>: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading
>: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5
>: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts
>: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum
>: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
>: Just curious.
>: Daemon
>What he said...
>--
Ditto here too...
>TMC
>(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
--
__/ / _ __ Joe noble@pogo.den.mmc.com
/_ / /__ / /__ /__ / ... all the beauty of a dying vulture...
_/ ____/ _/ _/ ___/ _/ _/ ...the smile of the truly stupid...
| 1comp.graphics |
According to mdbs@ms.uky.edu, muslims tithe 1/6 of their income.
Perhaps there are some offshoots of Islam that impose this on their
followers. But the standard tithe is 1/40 of one's net worth, once
a year.
The same writer also objects to the Bible for teaching that
> "woman was created after man, to be his helper" etc.
This is presumably a reference to Genesis 2. Suppose that that
chapter had been written with the sexes reversed. We have God
creating woman, and then saying, "It is not good that woman should
be alone. I will make a help meet for her." Feminists would be
outraged. The clear implication would be that God had started at the
bottom and worked up, making first the plants, then the fish and
birds, then the beasts, then woman, and finally His masterpiece, the
Male Chauvinist Pig. The statement that woman is not capable of
functioning by herself, that she needs a man to open doors for her,
would have been seen as a particularly gratuitous insult. The fact
that the creation of woman from the dust of the ground was given
only briefly and in general, while the creation of the Man was given
in six times the number of words, would have been cited as evidence
of the author's estimate of the relative importance of the sexes.
The verdict would have been unequivocal. "No self-respecting woman
can accept this book as a moral guide, or as anything but sexist
trash!" I suggest that Moses, fearing this reaction, altered his
original draft and described the creation with Adam first and then
Eve, so as to appease Miriam and other radical feminists of the day.
For some reason, however, it did not work.
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Can anyone share their experiences, good or bad, with a Tempe vendor
named Motherboard Warehouse? I'm considering purchasing one of their
486dx2/66 boards. One of the selling points is their 10 day full money
back guarantee.
Thanks in advance,
Dave
masten@beta.lanl.gov
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
THE ARMED CITIZEN
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents
crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The
Armed Citizen. Shooting usually can be justified only where
crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life or limb
or, in some circumstances, property. The accounts below are from
clippings sent in by NRA members. Anyone is free to quote or
reproduce them.
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Retired Las Vegas deputy police chief Larry Bolden initially
tried to defend himself with a steering wheel bar lock when a
criminal attacked him in his car. But then the intruder wrestled
it from him, Bolden pulled his pistol and fired several times,
wounding his attacker and stopping the incident. "He was just a
citizen defending himself," a police official said.
(The Review-Journal, Las Vegas, Nev., 11/11/92)
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A pair of teenaged robbers armed with a sawed-off shotgun and
handguns took the day's receipts from Brooklyn bodega owner Hector
Martinez. As they made their getaway, Martinez grabbed his
registered 12-gauge shotgun and gave chase. When one fired,
Martinez returned three blasts, slightly wounding his assailants.
They fled but were apprehended when they sought medical attention.
(Newsday, Long Island, N.Y., 01/05/93)
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A sign posted on the door of Roman Paras' shop reads "The
owners of this property are armed and highly skilled to protect
life, liberty and property from criminal attack." Apparently, a
pair of robbers didn't pause to read it as they threatened Paras'
wife in their Oxnard, Calif., convenience store. Hearing her
scream, Paras grabbed his .38, ran to the front of the store and
shot it out with the masked and armed men, killing one criminal.
(The Times, Los Angeles, Calif., 12/04/92)
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Anne Marie Sullivan was showering in her Portland, Oreg., home
one morning when she heard the front door crash in. She jumped
out of the shower in time to see a man entering the home. Running
to the bedroom, Sullivan retrieved her boyfriend's pistol and
fired two shots, mortally wounding the intruder. The dead man had
a lengthy police and prison record.
(The Oregonian, Portland, Oreg., 01/07/93)
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Mike Baranelli would have let two robbers who burst into a
Birmingham, Ala., barber shop keep his money. But the 75-year-old
retired teacher was unwilling to surrender his life. When the
intruders ordered Baranelli, the shop owner, and another man to
lie on the floor, Baranelli pulled his pistol and shot both men in
the head, killing one. "I felt sure there was going to be three
dead people in there. I think I had some divine help," Baranelli
said.
(The Sunday Advertiser, Montgomery, Ala., 01/03/93)
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Believing an elderly Harvey, Ill., couple would again be easy
prey, a knife-wielding home invader instead met death when the
76-year-old homeowner loosed three rounds from a semi-automatic
pistol. Police said the dead man had been charged several times
for thefts from the couple's home.
(The Star, Chicago Heights, Ill., 01/07/93)
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The criminal's profile was scheduled to appear on "America's
Most Wanted," but his shot at fame was abruptly canceled by a
Hallandale, Fla., service station clerk. The Michigan prison
escapee walked into the station and announced a robbery. Instead
of cash, he got bullets in the head and chest from station clerk
Gary McVey. Police said McVey acted in self-defense and would not
face charges.
(The Sun-Sentinel, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., 12/04/92)
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A Bridgeport, Conn., oil delivery man handed over the few
dollars he had. But the thug, apparently unsatisfied with his
take, turned his gun on his victim and demanded more money.
Instead of more cash, the deliveryman instead pulled his own
pistol and fired, mortally wounding the robber. Police said the
dead man had held up a nearby market just before the fatal
incident.
(The Courant, Hartford, Conn., 01/13/93)
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After repeated burglaries at her San Marcos, Calif., home, Joan
Vessel, 64, was ready with a .38 and a cordless phone when she
heard glass breaking one afternoon. When she found two teenagers
attempting to get into her woodshed, Vessel fired a warning shot
over their heads, marched them into the front yard and called
police.
(The Times Advocate, Escondido, Calif., 12/25/92)
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Angry that his auto insurance had been canceled, a client used
brass knuckles to take it out on Brandon, Fla., agent Steven
Taylor. When his assailant walked out of the office, Taylor
grabbed a pistol kept there and held the former client at gun-
point until police arrived.
(The Tribune, Tampa, Fla., 01/14/93)
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Dozing one evening at his Exeter, Pa., office, Jim Pisano was
awakened by the barking of his dog. Sitting in stunned amazement,
he watched as two men smashed out his office window, reached in
and grabbed one of his hunting rifles. Reaching a pistol on his
desk, Pisano fired several shots, apparently wounding one of the
burglars, and putting them to flight.
(The Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, Pa., 12/09/92)
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Trying on a pair of shoes was just an act for a criminal who
then pulled a knife and demanded money. When the man advanced,
the Flint, Mich., shoestore owner drew his pistol and fired,
critically wounding the would-be robber.
(The Journal, Flint, Mich., 01/13/93)
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Disarmed and pistol whipped after struggling with a pair of
shotgun-toting thugs, Brooklyn, N.Y., pharmacist Soel Melero
continued fighting and managed to retrieve a second-also licensed-
hidden pistol. Firing three times, the druggist killed one of his
assailants. The other fled empty-handed.
(The Daily News, New York, N.Y., 01/18/93)
==================================================================
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
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HUYNH_1@ESTD.NRL.NAVY.MIL Minh Huynh
ishbeld@cix.compulink.co.uk Ishbel Donkin
James.Langdell@Eng.Sun.COM James Langdell
jamyers@netcom.com John A. Myers
jc@crosfield.co.uk jerry cullingford
jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com Randell Jesup
jjmorris@gandalf.rutgers.edu Joyce Morris
joep@dap.csiro.au Joe Petranovic
John.Burton@acenet.auburn.edu John E. Burton Jr.
johncha@comm.mot.com
JORGENSONKE@CC.UVCC.EDU
jpsum00@mik.uky.edu joey p sum
JTM@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu John Maynard
julien@skcla.monsanto.com
kaminski@netcom.com Peter Kaminski
kerry@citr.uq.oz.au Kerry Raymond
kieran@world.std.com Aaron L Dickey
knauer@cs.uiuc.edu Rob Knauerhase
kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU Jennifer Lynn Kolar
kriguer@tcs.com Marc Kriguer
lau@ai.sri.com Stephen Lau
lee@hal.com Lee Boylan
lmt6@po.cwru.edu
lunie@Lehigh.EDU
lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU Stephen G. Roseman
M.Beamish@ins.gu.edu.au Marilyn Beamish
M.Rich@ens.gu.edu.au Maurice H. Rich.
maas@cdfsga.fnal.gov Peter Maas
macridis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Gerry Macridis
markv@hpvcivm.vcd.hp.com Mark Vanderford
MASCHLER@vms.huji.ac.il
mcb@net.bio.net Michael C. Berch
mcday@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
mcookson@flute.calpoly.edu
mfc@isr.harvard.edu Mauricio F Contreras
mg@wpi.edu Martha Gunnarson
mhollowa@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Michael Holloway
misha@abacus.concordia.ca MISHA GLOUBERMAN
mjb@cs.brown.edu Manish Butte
MOFLNGAN@vax1.tcd.ie
muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
Nancy.Block@Eng.Sun.COM Nancy Block
ndallen@r-node.hub.org Nigel Allen
nlr@B31.nei.nih.gov Rohrer, Nathan
owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu Bill Owens
pams@hpfcmp.fc.hp.com Pam Sullivan
papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Paul Prescod
paslowp@cs.rpi.edu
pillinc@gov.on.ca Christopher Pilling
pkane@cisco.com Peter Kane
popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu Glenn Popelka
pulkka@cs.washington.edu Aaron Pulkka
pwatkins@med.unc.edu Pat Watkins
rbnsn@mosaic.shearson.com Ken Robinson
rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
robyn@media.mit.edu Robyn Kozierok
rolf@green.mathematik.uni-stuttgart.de Rolf Schreiber
sageman@cup.portal.com
sasjcs@unx.sas.com Joan Stout
SCOTTJOR@delphi.com
scrl@hplb.hpl.hp.com
scs@vectis.demon.co.uk Stuart C. Squibb
shan@techops.cray.com Sharan Kalwani
sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com Sharen A. Rund
shazam@unh.edu Matthew T Thompson
shipman@csab.larc.nasa.gov Floyd S. Shipman
shoppa@ERIN.CALTECH.EDU Tim Shoppa
slillie@cs1.bradley.edu Susan Lillie
steveo@world.std.com Steven W Orr
surendar@ivy.WPI.EDU Surendar Chandra
swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil Steven Kirchoefer
S_FAGAN@twu.edu
TARYN@ARIZVM1.ccit.arizona.edu Taryn L. Westergaard
Thomas.E.Taylor@gagme.chi.il.us Thomas E Taylor
tima@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM Timothy D Aanerud
tsamuel%gollum@relay.nswc.navy.mil Tony Samuel
U45301@UICVM.UIC.EDU M. Jacobs
vstern@gte.com Vanessa Stern
wahlgren@haida.van.wti.com James Wahlgren
waterfal@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com Douglas Waterfall
weineja1@teomail.jhuapl.edu
wgrant@informix.com William Grant
YEAGER@mscf.med.upenn.edu
yozzo@watson.ibm.com Ralph E. Yozzo
Z919016@beach.utmb.edu Molly Hamilton
--
Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862
Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil
Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch
Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division
| 13sci.med |
aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>You are sure that what you call a 200SX we call a 240? Just curious..
>We also have a nissan predacessor (sp) to the 240 called a 200, which
>came in turbo and nonturbo. But i don't think we've ever had a 240
>turbo...just curious...(BTW, I'm in the US, if that matters..)
>DREW
What we currently know as the 240sx, is known elsewhere as a 200sx.
--
Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah
Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah
Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah
| 7rec.autos |
Hello Netter,
I want to uprade the power supply of my SE/30 in which
a 8 bit color card is installed.
I know CRC COMPONENTS, Inc. deals the compatible power supply of SE/30
manifactured by POWER PLUS SYSTEMS.
Does anyone know their phone or FAX number of them ?
Please reply me by e-mail.
Thanks,
Kensuke Nakajima
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop
on Windows 3.0/3.1 .
Can anybody tell me where I can get it ?
It should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not.
It is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other
sites.
Just post it or mail me.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andreas Gloege
Kazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann)
8000 Muenchen 2
089/508336
email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Mark Ira Kaufman writes
> ... ... ...
> A perfect example is the outcry over the temporary removal of
> 400 men who advocated murdering Jews and destroying the State
> of Israel, compared to the deafening silence over the abusive
> treatment of Jews in Arab countries during the past 50 years.
Never mind the fact that these people were denied the right to a fair trial.
And Israel was supposed to uphold "Western values", eh?
> ... ... ...
> I doubt if the non-Jewish world is even capable of having any
> compassion towards Jews as anti-semitism is so ancient and so
> basic to both Christianity and Islam.
Check your facts before bashing Islam again. While there may be Muslim
anti-semites, this is no way a tenet of the religion. Saying anti-semitism is
"basic" to Islam is implicating the entire Muslim world, based on a selective
sampling of a few people, and it flies in the face of what Islam teaches.
Peace.
--
/ * \ Nizam Arain \ What makes the universe
|| || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend
| \___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \ is that there is nothing
\_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
[On secrecy in LDS ceremonies. --clh]
I think christ summed it up quite nicely when he said something about
"casting pearls before swine." Why tell people things that are most
sacred to you when all they will do with it is belittle it. You have
to be little to belittle.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
(David Joshua Mirsky) writes:
|> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.
|> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.
|> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS
|> slot. Is that true?
|>
|> Thanks
|> David Mirsky
|> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed:
One "socket" for an additional VRAM SIMM
One "socket" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM
One socket for a flat-pack FPU
A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with
an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit
data path that the LC/LC II lacked
That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit
in the PDS, but that's the only place.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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+-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+
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| ---===------ 3860 N. First Street | andrem@pyramid.com |
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In Detroit, the octopus is a symbol from the old days of the league. In
the era of the Original 6, four teams made the playoffs. To win the Cup,
a team had to win two seven-game series - in other words it took 8
playoff wins to win the Cup. The octopus (8 legs) has become a common
Detroit symbol. Every year around playoff time people start sneaking
octopus (octopi?) into the Joe Louis Arena and throwing them onto the ice.
J. Old
e-mail: JOLD@vma.cc.nd.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
I am curious: what does the /double_buffer parameter in smartdrv actually do
for me? I seem to have less problems in Windows when I leave it out.
Using a PS/2 with an ESDI drive, but also a PS/2 with a SCSI.
Any response is welcome.
Peter Sweeney
psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Can the Sabres win two more games against the Bruins?
I think game three in Buffalo will be the most important of the
series. If the Sabres lose that game, the party will be over. It will
be hello next year.
The key for the remaining games in the series will be whether Fuhr can
keep up his brillliant goaltending and if Mogilny can continue skate by
the Bruins. He has shown demonstrated excellent speed.
Finally, the Sabres appear to have shown up for the post season.
Sabres/Bills Fan
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1r15rvINNh8p@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
>>Bill Rawlins writes:
>>> Macroevolution is
>>> a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed
>>> within three percent error :) ]
>
>>Bullshit. This is true only under your ad hoc assertion that only
>>religion can explain origins. The history of life through
>>macroevolution is a falsifiable theory. If you think it's not, then
>>make some substantial argument against it.
>
>"The modern theory of evolution is so inadequate that it deserves to be
>treated as a matter of faith." -- Francis Hitching
Jack: you seem to have missed a word in my comments above. I
requested a _substantial_ argument. What you have given is an appeal
to authority, out of context, with nothing of substance to back it up.
>Jack
--
--Andy
"God is a real estate developer / with offices around the nation
They say one day he'll liquidate / his holdings on High
I say it's all speculation." -- Michelle Shocked
| 0alt.atheism |
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Does anyone know of a UNIX utility allowing encrypted telnet sessions using
public-key? I'd like something so that nobody can snoop my password or
session text while I'm logging in remotely over the network.
Thanks
g.
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| 11sci.crypt |
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