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In article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:
> Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a
>vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position,
it can
>not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical
position.
>I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from
now, but
>why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem,
please
I think the other replies sum up the fact that you can place a hard drive
on its side. The point is this will only be sure to work on the 'new'
drives, namely 1/3 ht LPS drives that have a smaller platter and are also
more stable.
Why should I take the chance? Because I've been running a Maxtor 1/3 ht
120 LPS on both its side and flat for about a year and I've had no
problems with it. Period.
Like I always say, NEVER trust the manufacturer.
"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."
Ravi Konchigeri.
mongoose@leland.stanford.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
If you would like to sell your Technics SA-GX910 receiver, or know
someone who would like to sell it, please contact me. I'm willing
to pay any reasonable price. Thanx.
Davor (617)225-9489
dmatic@Athena.MIT.EDU
| 6misc.forsale |
Oh Christ, here we go again. I'm actually going to assume that
this was a serious posting, fool that I am.
In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms
>'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that
>there are actually *few* cases where this is so.
And I suppose I should just take your word for it. Did you ever
think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves
might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist
forbidding concealed carry?
>The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary
>opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who
>would argue with you about a parking space, those who would
>take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes.
I already own a cool jacket. I ride a bicycle to work and park
it behind my desk. And if my woman decides to go with someone
else, I'd be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably
not endear her to me any more than before. Frankly, I've never
met a woman worth killing for anyway. (Now, an AR-15 with a chrome
barrel, THAT's worth killing for ...!-))
>Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery.
>In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.
>No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,
>than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault.
Does this pinhead know something the rest of us don't?
I'm not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns.
The government can't seem to keep violent criminals in jail since
they don't have enough prison space, and the legal system is over-
burdened anyway. Where are they going to put all the millions of
gun-owners who won't fork over their weapons? Maybe you'd like to
volunteer the services of your humble abode, since you obviously
feel sooooo strongly about this.
>The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.
Your argument has been rendered useless. Accept this. Find another
newsgroup.
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Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions.
gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's.
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the
dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!". They left the Harley behind.
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| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | "You can't wear out |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, |
| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, |
| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that |
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| 8rec.motorcycles |
I was skimming through a few gophers and bumped into one at NIH
with a database that included images in .GIF format. While I have
not yet worked out the kinks of getting the gopher client to call
an X viewer, I figure that the majority of the users here are not
in an X11 environment - instead using DOS and MS-Kermit.
With Kermit supporting Tek4010 emulation for graphics display,
does anyone know of a package that would allow a Tek to display a
.GIF image? It would be of more use to the local population to
plug something of this sort in as the 'picture' command instead of
XView or XLoadImage ...
andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)
| 1comp.graphics |
When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows
to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how
to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email
or send it to the news group. Thanks.
Dale Erickson
dericks@plains.nodak.edu
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:
[deletions]
>
>The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of
>Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of
>the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant
>will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa
>against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The
>crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being
>played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media.
>
>P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of "shatim" also
>applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella
>of the "fasad" ruling.
If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just
exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple.
Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or
not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear
of their life for words.
It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the
worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that?
You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you
quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support
threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized.
This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart
from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and
encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition.
You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone,
whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale
of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow
any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_
demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from
the "miscreants", or whatever, short of physical force.
But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get
much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist
who whines "She asked for it, look how she was dressed".
Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly.
Dew
--
Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637
| 0alt.atheism |
I have been told by several people that Sony data cartridges don't quite
cut it in the Jumbo 250 tape drive (lots of bad blocks). If you're using Sony
tape, try switching to something else -- like maybe 3M.
-- Mike
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
--In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU>, thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes:
In article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
^^^^^^^^^^
>[MORE stuff deleted]
>TEd
>>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
>>use the net to directly advertise their products.
>>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
>>used for generating junk mail.
>>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
>>done to penalize such an improper use?
>>Dale Thompson
Well, Dale, I'd say offhand "Keel-hauling" would work pretty
well...we haven't had a good "keel-hauling" in a long time... (Sorry, it came up in a conversation yesterday and, well, I just love that phrase...)
Or maybe just ask for folks to flood the guys mailbox with
the FAQ for net-etiquitte...sort of poetic justice for all the junk mail
he was trying to generate anyway...
Tom T
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| 6misc.forsale |
rodger-scoggin@ksc.nasa.gov (Rodger C. Scoggin) writes:
]Furthermore, in response to an earlier message, the 1992 U.S. est. output of
]sulfur dioxide (20 mill. tons) was equivalent to the entire output by the recent
]eruption of Mt. Pinautubo(Sp.). Currently world carbon dioxide levels set at approx.
]360 ppm, in the past 120,000 years it has never gone above 280 (this info
]was found using ice core samples from the joint French/Russian/U.S. Vostok
]project). Furthermore, the background emmisions of chlorine compounds into
]the atmoshpere is about 0.6 ppb annually, it now sits at 3.5. This OVERWHELMING
]data/info is found in the World Resources doc. published by Oxford University.
Good evidence.
]The ozone hole in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres keeps getting bigger
]and stickin' around longer whilst skeptics ponder how wrong or corrupt all this
]data from government and international scientific institutions is. It is a pity, that,
]if the skeptics are wrong and we base our complacency on their Limbaugh
]psycho babble, then we will find ourselves strapped by limited options with
]which to rectify the primal engineering of our industrial age.
What ozone hole in the northern hemisphere?
What exactly will happen if we get an ozone hole in the upper atmosphere?
According to the senior chicken-little at NASA, as much more UV radiation
as if one moved 100 miles south. Certainly not the calamity that is being
imagined by eco-lunatics.
CO2 is going up. So what. There's no evidence that the increase is
due to burning fossil fuels, no evidence that increasing CO2 will increase
temperatures, and no evidience that raising temperatures will do anything
but good--ie make millions of acres of tundra into productive life-bearing
land.
Chris Burian---
| 18talk.politics.misc |
The following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly
had with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and
commercial space. This is how it went...
After receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO,
I called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty
Murray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard
the gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour.
Later in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes.
We got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide,
who scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not
bozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to
make sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material.
Well, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking
to him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening.
We covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific.
Most of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another
woman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that
we brought up.
But, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate
aligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space.
So, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to
LEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming
feasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that.
We hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism
paper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the
atmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog
over L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is
more pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to
understanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education
whereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that
they havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other
fields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday
would provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed.
We hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business
angle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal
communicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided
in those sectors.
Jobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc..
We mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs.
We left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order
to make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point.
We ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are
proceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the
results from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan),
and most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along
the lines of lowering the cost to LEO.
In the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data
Purchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it.
He asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it,
and contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually
happen immediatly there.
The last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we
knew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they
could feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know
the answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who
really did know the answers.
Then finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He
said that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this
would be something that she would be very interested in, although they
do have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the
state 1 week out of 6 these days.
All in all we felt like we did a pretty good job.
John.
| 14sci.space |
In article <ss.113@apmaths.uwo.ca>, ss@apmaths.uwo.ca (SULTAN SIAL) says:
>
>In article <93111.195217A54SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> <A54SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>
>[stuff about Mithras deleted]
>
>>Oh, His B-day was 25 Dec. Ahem.
>
>I thought that Saturnalia was celebrated by the Romans at that time. Was
>Mithras connected with this?
>
Rome was under attack by barbarians, they sent for advice to some Oracle,
and she said Worship Cybele and you'll be saved. They did, they were.
Cybele was the quintessential wiccan goddess, there was Her and her son &
lover, Attis. Yucky idea if you ask me. OK the book says she was Phrygian,
from the neolithic matriarchal society Catal Huyuk (Turkey). Worshipped 1st
as Black Stone (that Kaaba in Mecca ring a bell maybe????) Carried to Rome
in 205BC to save them from Hannibal.
It gets more interesting. Romans called her Great Mother (Magna Mater),
could be the reason why so many of those Mary statues in Europe are black,
prob. IS connected to that Ka'aba they've got in Mecca, 3rd cent. AD She was
supreme Goddess in Lyons, France . . . Attis was castrated and formed into
a pine tree . . . she should be worshiped on 25 Mar . . . in Rome it was
an ecstatic cult, her priests wore drag, worked themselves up in dance and
castrated themselves in order to initiate to her, lived their lives as women.
They wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit.
Wow.
Only other such primitive transsexualism I know of goes on in India (where
else?) where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe, I
forget by now...there's a book on that.)
Of course, that excepts that weird Russian / Romanian 18th cent. Xian cult
that did all kinds of self-castration too, I forget their name.
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CHARLES HOPE A54SI@CUNYVM A54SI@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
GOVERNMENT BY REPORTERS...MEDIA-OCRACY.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?
(First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
story...)
--
Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. |
DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! |
| 8rec.motorcycles |
>In article <C4vBM1.Gs0@NCoast.ORG>, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
>|>As quoted from <C4vCtB.J1H@dscomsa.desy.de> by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):
>|>
>|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate
>|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism?
>|>
>|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed
^^^
Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all
those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd
innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause
_everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even
if it has to get you killed first]).
What a fool I've been.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr15.145914.1575@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) writes:
>I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness
>in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the
>injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got
>his joints a little stiff?
>
>Thanks for the help...
All they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder
after throwing a curveball that didn't loosen. Because of the cold
night in Denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than
let him pitch. He is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation
(expected to be April 20, at Shea vs the Giants).
--
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scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <<!
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I am working on an X-Window based application that needs to
override some of the window manager focus processing. I am
using X11R4 and Motif 1.1 currently, although I will also be
working with Open Look in the future.
What I need to do is under certain circumstances prevent the
user from switching from one window of the application to
another window. Let's say, for example, that Window A is on top
of Window B in the window hierarchy. Normally, if the user clicks
the mouse in Window B it will be brought to the top of the
window hierarchy and placed on top of Window A. Under certain
circumstances if the user clicks the mouse in Window B I need to
beep and prevent Window B from being raised on top of Window
A.
From the research and testing I've done so far, it appears that
this window ordering is handled by the window manager, in this
case Motif. I haven't found any way to override this default
processing through standard X Window functions. I can tell
when this switching occurs through focus change and mapping
notify events, but I can't find any way to tell Motif not to make the
switch.
The temporary solution I've currently come up with is very
kludgy but it partially works. When I detect such a window switch
in those cases when the switch is not allowed, I manually force
the formerly top window back on top with an XRaiseWindow call
and beep with the XBell function. This provides the necessary
functionality but looks ugly when the windows switch places
twice.
Does anyone know how I can tell Motif (or preferably *any*
window manager) when I don't want the window order switch to
actually take place? Respond either by e-mail or posting to this
newsgroup.
Cheers.... Randall
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| 5comp.windows.x |
There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from
wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and
is called "grfwk61t.zip." This program should od everthing
you need.
--
TMC
(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)
| 1comp.graphics |
> >Please explain how cement is able to maintain a lower average temperature
> >than dirt. Sheesh.......
>
I hope David isn't going to be too upset with me for sticking my nose
in here again, but here goes......:-)
It isn't the average temperature that is the key factor here, but rather
which is better at transferring the heat out of the (presumably warmer
than ground temperature) battery. Call it a question of thermal
conductivity, or of insulating ability, or "thermal mass" - whatever you
like. Question - why does a concrete floor feel cooler than the
surrounding dirt when you place your hand on it?
Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not
Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.
| 12sci.electronics |
In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>In article <rbpC54D51.26n@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>>
>>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car
>
>The only thing between you and "them" is space.
>Keep as much as possible.
Take this one step further ...
Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
getting into his area of vision.
This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it
as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view
and then over my shoulder. And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the
lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a
potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:
he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't
GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).
Ride with four eyes...
Rich
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
| 8rec.motorcycles |
From article <eabu288-140493210752@dialin33635.slip.nts.uci.edu>, by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin):
>
> Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994?
--Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters
in the not-too-distant future?
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint.
| 7rec.autos |
Are complex bio-medical images available anywhere on the net for
experimentation? By complex I mean that every sampled data point has
a magnitude and phase information both.
Thanks for any pointers,
--Vishwa
| 1comp.graphics |
I am posting this for a friend without internet access. Please inquire
to the phone number and address listed.
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| 14sci.space |
In article <10893@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes:
>
>
>A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud
>that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't
>had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-().
>This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants.
Sometimes I have a problem with doctor's prescribing medicine like
this. I of course don't know the exact situation, and
anti-depressants may work, but it isn't helping the ringing at all, is it?
>The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing
>sleep, social life and sanity over this.
Mine started about three years back. Turns out I have tinnitus
bilateral (translation: ringing in both ears, basically ;). If this
is what it is, she'll probably get used to it. It would keep me up
and drive me nuts too, but nowadays, I have to plug both my ears with
my fingers to check to see if they are ringing. Usually they are, but
you get so used to it, it just gets tuned out. Yes, this is what I've
read about it... not just from my own personal experience.
>Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping
>mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs?
Millions have it, according to my physician. You just learn to cope
with it (like I mentioned earlier) by ignoring it. It eventually
becomes unconscious.
The doc also said it could be caused by diet (ie: too much caffeine)
and stress, but I haven't changed my lifestyle much, and it just comes
and goes (it is always there somewhat, but now I rarely notice it when
it really "kicks in").
Also, it doesn't necessarily mean there is any hearing loss, either
caused by it or causing it. I had an ENT (ear/nose/throat) exam, and
passed. In fact, my hearing is quite good considering I don't take as
good of care of my hearing as I should.
Her reaction is normal. If it is tinnitus, chances are good she'll
begin to not even notice it.
This info is taken mostly from a few "experts", my own experience, and
some readings (sorry, it was a few years back and don't have any
specifics handy).
JT
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In article <dfs.737042723@dax> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>When I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, our guide told
>us the story of that mosque - not sure if it was true.
>
>Apparently, it was built by a Jewish convert to Islam. He had
>had a dispute with his neighbours, and built the mosque "davka" to
>annoy them. It's a cute story, but not sure if it's true...
If he gives you the same story explaining the presence of several
synagogues in the "Moslem Quarter", then the story becomes suspect...
In reality, the Old City was not as neighborhooded in the past as it
became after 1948. In pre-Israel Jerusalem, there were many Jews in
what is now called the Moslem Quarter. There are postal and telephone
directories from that time to prove it. It's really rather
interesting to hear Arabs there claim that a house or store has been
in the family for centuries even when there are clear photos and
documents that show a Jewish-owned business at the same location just
a few decades ago.
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
______________________________________________________________
BACKGROUND BRIEFING
BY
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
April 4, 1993
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
9:40 A.M. PST
Folks, we're about to start the BACKGROUND BRIEFING
on the aid package.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Good morning. The
President -- President Clinton and President Yeltsin agreed
yesterday on a series of American initiatives to support economic
and political reform in Russia, and it's valued at $1.6 billion.
Before taking your questions and running through the
basic outlines of this package, I want to make a few points.
First, this is the maximum that the Clinton administration can do
with available funds to support Russian reform. All of the funds
have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. There is
no need for the administration to go back to the Congress to fund
any of these programs. All our Fiscal Year '93 funds currently
are available, so in effect, all of these programs can begin
tomorrow.
The second point is that this package is designed to
support Russian reformers. All of the initiatives in the package
are directed at reformers and for their benefit, and all have
been worked out with prior consultation with the Russian
government.
Third, the President is determined that we will
deliver on these commitments this year. The package is designed
to maximize our ability to support reform. In designing it we
wanted to avoid making commitments that we could not meet, and we
feel very confident that we can meet all of these commitments in
front of you.
Fourth, I'd like to note the special importance of
trade and investment. I think it's fair to say that Russia's
capital and technology needs throughout the next decade extend
well into the hundreds of billions of dollars. No collection of
governments can meet those needs; only the private sector can do
so. And so the President and President Yeltsin agreed to make
trade and investment a major priority in the relationship.
They also agreed that there would be a new joint
commission on energy and space formed, headed on the U.S. side by
Vice President Gore; on the Russian side by Prime Minister
Chernomyrdin. And the goal of this effort is to break through
the barriers to trade and investment on both sides and to promote
a vastly expanded relationship.
If it would be helpful I'd be prepared to run down
the first page, which is a summary of U.S. assistance, and just
give you some general background on what these programs are.
I'll do it quickly and then I'll be glad to take questions.
The first group of initiatives are humanitarian food
and medical assistance. This is part of our effort which has
been underway for several years to provide basic humanitarian
grant food assistance so that the Russian government can assure
there's at least a minimal amount of bread on the shelves in the
major cities. That's $194 million in grant -- that is from Food
for Progress, the grant portion of Food for Progress. We'll also
be continuing our grant assistance in medicines and
pharmaceutical supplies, and that's $30 million.
The second item is concessional food sales. As you
know, the United States has had a long-term grain relationship
with Russia. It's important to us and it's important to Russia
that we continue that relationship. The President has chosen the
Food for Progress program which is a concessional loan program.
The value over the next seven months is $700 million. These are
concessional terms. The exact terms have not been worked out,
but I think it's fair to say there will be a grace period on
principal of six or seven years, and concessional rates
thereafter for the life of the deal.
The third program is a collection of private sector
support. We think this is one of the most important things we're
going to do. Privatization and the creation of small businesses
is the number one priority of the reform government in Moscow.
And so the President has decided to create a Russian-American
enterprise fund capitalized this year at $50 million. And the
goal of this fund is to make direct loans to small businesses in
Russia, to take equity positions in those businesses.
The President has also decided to create a
privatization fund which would work directly with the Russian
government in its priority objective of trying to convert state
enterprises from a state-owned basis to a private basis. He has
also agreed -- the President has also agreed to establish a
Eurasia foundation. This would be a private foundation led by
prominent Americans to fund democratization projects in Russia.
The fourth grouping you see there in the summary
page is democratization itself. I think it's fair to say that
this administration has given a new impetus to the goal of
pursuing democratization in Russia. You see that we have a total
of $48 million in programs, various programs. The detailed
tables give an indication of some of the programs that we're
launching.
The President is also calling for the development of
a democracy corps, which will be an overarching umbrella group to
try to incorporate all of the disparate private and public
efforts now underway from the United States to support reform in
Russia.
The fifth program you see is Russian office of
resettlement. This is a new initiative created and
conceptualized by this administration. This is a demonstration
project. What we'd like to do is work with the Russian military
to help resettle Russian officers returning from the Baltic
states and other parts of the former Soviet Union. We want to
make sure that we work out the best way to do that, whether it's
with Russian labor and Russian materials or using prefab American
construction. And so we've decided to fund on a demonstration
basis the construction of 450 housing units. We'll be working
very closely with the Russian military on this. And I would say
that we have a long-term commitment to this project.
The sixth area is energy in the environment. They
are two issues that the President feels strongly about. Our
initial efforts will be feasibility studies to look into the
possibility of enhancing their energy production, both oil and
gas; and equally important trying to cut down on the leakages in
the oil and gas pipeline systems, which cause so much
environmental damage.
I've talked a little bit about trade and investment,
about the new group being created that the Vice President will
chair on our side. Secretary Ron Brown will also be cochairing
with Deputy Prime Minister Shohkin, a business development
committee, which will work in all other sectors of the economy,
to break down the many barriers that currently exist and impede
trade and investment. We are also going to appoint a full-time
investment ombudsman in the American government to work on this
problem full-time.
And the point I'd like to make here is, trade and
investment in the 1990s is every bit as important, to draw an
analogy, as arms reductions was in the '70s and '80s. And we
just thought that in looking at this we needed to make a
commitment within our own government to have people work on it --
senior people on a full-time basis, because it is terribly
important.
You'll notice that the United States is going to
support Russia's membership in the GATT. Russia has had observer
status. Russia has requested our support and, in fact, requested
our advice in becoming a member of the GATT. We think that the
long-term goal of drawing Russia into the global economy is
paramount, a very important goal. And that is why we are
supporting the membership in the GATT. We are also supporting
their access to GSP, the Generalized System of Preferences.
You'll note that Ex-Im has extended $82 million in
credit for a caterpillar deal in Siberia, that OPIC has extended
$150 million in credits and loan guarantees for a Conoco oil
project. I'd like to emphasize that we are very close to an
agreement between Russia and the United States for a $2-billion
framework facility through the Ex-Im Bank that would finance
Russian purchases of American oil and gas equipment and services.
We think this is a very important development. We think we'll
get there by April 14th, which is the opening day of the Tokyo
conference, the G-7 conference.
Before I take any further questions, I'd like to
defer to my colleague, who will review the security assistance
objectives with you.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Our major
unfinished agenda with the Russians and with their counterparts
in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus is in the area of the safe and
secure dismantlement of the nuclear arsenals on their territory
under the terms of the START I and START II agreements.
Recently we completed in Moscow three, I think, very important
agreements that devote a significant chunk of Nunn-Lugar funding
to three important programs. The first is the program of $130
million for the strategic nuclear delivery vehicle dismantlement
program. That is for submarines, for ICBM dismantlement and for
bomber dismantlement -- $130 million.
The second is a $75 million tranche of funding for
the construction of a facility to store nuclear materials removed
from the warheads as they are dismantled. This will essentially
contribute to the overall design and the early phases of the
construction of that storage facility.
And finally, a $10-million tranche of money to help
in the establishment of a monitoring system for the nuclear
materials as they are withdrawn from the weapons system. So we
add that $215-million total to the extant Nunn-Lugar assistance
which has been flowing -- about $150 million for some overall
safety improvements for various kinds of equipment and safety
measures that we have been working out with the Russians over the
last couple of years.
So this is an area where we will be going a lot more
work with not only the Russians but with the Ukrainians, Kazhaks,
and Belarussians. Belarus, for example, has just, in the last
couple of weeks, received up to $65 million in FY'93 funds for
safety, security and dismantlement programs on Belarussian
territory. And this was in the wake of their ratification of
START I, an agreement to accede to NPT.
So we are working very hard with all the parties to
the Lisbon protocols, and will continue to work very hard with
them. And I look upon these three recent agreements with Russia
as a very important step in that process.
Q The OPIC funds to -- is that for the field in
Kazhakstan -- and Conoco already signed this deal with
Kazhakstan. Why do you feel now it is necessary -- if it's the
same one, why do you feel it's necessary?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: It's not the same
deal. Chevron signed a deal with Kazhakstan, the Tenges oil
field. This is a new investment project. It's a polar lights
oil development and renovation project, and it's being announced
today. So it's completely new.
Q Can you tell us more about what's involved?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes. Conoco, like
other American oil companies has been searching for ways to do
two things. One, to prospect for new oil in Siberia, west
Siberia; and two, to try to get into the business of renovating
oil wells and renovating pipelines, both oil and gas, in Russia.
The objective here, obviously, is to take advantage of the
natural resources in Russia, increase energy production, which
will, in turn, increase hard currency revenues, which is what
Russia needs.
So we think this deal is very, very good development
for Russia. The Russians do as well, and it's good for an
American company. And the American government has played a
leading role in pulling this together through the credit facility
in OPIC and through the loan guarantee.
Q So it's to search and also to renovate fields
that are already there?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right.
Q On that point, should other American companies
expect to get administration support for such deals, or should
they now go to the Ex-Im and try to get the money out of the $2
billion?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as you know,
Ex-Im is part of the U.S. government and various parts of the
U.S. government have been pushing, including the State Department
and the White House for this deal to be consummated. And we
think it will. And if we arrive at this agreement by April 14th,
there will be $2 billion in financing available for American
companies to sell their equipment and sell their services.
Q That should take up all of the rest of the
deals and their won't be -- and their will or there won't be
support for OPIC sort of deals such as this Conoco?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a
tremendous amount of interest on the part of American oil and gas
companies to invest in Russia. We think that the Ex-Im oil and
gas facility, the $2-billion facility, once it is concluded, will
soak up a lot of that interest. But I think the interest may
even extend beyond that. And if so, the government will respond.
Q What's the current year budget costs of that
$2-billion agreement should it go forward? And is there any
current year budget costs --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I'll have to refer
you to Ex-Im for that. I don't know the details of that.
Q The concessional food sales -- is there any
current year costs to that, or is it delayed until the years in
which the payments are due?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The concessional
food sales are from Food for Progress, which is a USDA program.
USDA has the funds, we don't need to go back to the Congress to
expend those funds. There will be a hit in the budget. I'd
refer you to USDA and OMB for the details on that.
Q Can you talk about the Democracy Corps?
Q and the private sector -- how many folks are
going to be involved in that?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Why don't I start
with the Democracy Corps first. I think the administration felt
coming into office that there were literally thousands of
organization, private organizations in the United States that in
one way or another were working at the goal of trying to achieve
democratization in Russia, helping on a farmer-to-farmer basis.
And there were literally 10 or 15 U.S. government agencies that
had a variety of programs in this area. And so the
administration felt -- the President felt it was important to try
to draw all of these initiatives together under one group to give
some coherence to the efforts and to give some impetus to the
efforts. And so this is a presidential initiative.
It will be headed by Ambassador Tom Simons who will
soon take up his duties as the coordinator for U.S. assistance in
the former Soviet Union. And we're very hopeful that we might
use this Democracy Corps not only to draw upon the resources of
our own government, but the resources of the American private
sector and schools and communities across the nation.
Q any kind of commitment yet, any kind of word
yet on FY'94, and any new money that needs to be appropriated
besides the $300 million the President talked about?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The administration
is requesting additional funds in FY'94 of $700 million. What
the President has done this weekend is to consult really
intensively yesterday with President Yeltsin about additional
measures the United States could take in some of these areas to
support reform. He'll be consulting with the Congress. When he
returns to Washington, he'll be consulting also with the other
ally governments, and we'll make a decision at that time.
Q Two questions about the $700 billion
agricultural money. First of all, I thought it was the sort of
consensus that what Russia did not need was more loans for food.
So why did you decide to do it that way? Secondly, could you
explain -- agriculture has been stopped from making further loans
for food because of Russia's inability to pay. How does this fit
into that situation?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As you know, the
United States for a long time has been a major supplier of grains
and food commodities, agricultural products to Russia. I think
between 1991 and '92 we had extended -- a little bit of history
here -- about $5.5 billion in credits, credit guarantees, through
the Commodity Credit Corporation. That was the principal vehicle
to ensure the sale of American grain products. On December 1 of
last year, '92, the Russian government stopped its payments on
that program. They are now in arrears to us on that program, and
therefore, by law, the United States cannot continue that
program. And so the President, working with Secretary Espy and
other officials in the Cabinet, looked for other ways that we
could promote American grain sales.
And I think we have two ways to do that. We've
announced today $194 million in grant food assistance through the
Food for Progress program. But we do not have sufficient
authority to spend $700 million in grant food, and so we looked
for a concessional loan program.
I think everybody agrees that Russia -- that a
short-term loan program for Russia would not make sense now, but
a long-term concessional loan program would. And that is what
this program is. It will provide, once the final details are
worked out, for a six to seven-year grace period on payments of
principal. And then from years seven through 15, which is the
life of the deal, it will provide for concessional rates of
interest -- generally around three to four percent. And so we
believe and the Russian government believes this is a good deal
for them because it will avoid the imperative of early payments
and put them into the out years, but it will also continue this
very important grain relationship, which is important for them,
and it's important for the American farm community.
Q I gather from what you say that this could make
it explicit -- the Russians' failure to pay the interest on ECC
loan does not in any way affect this kind of loan going through,
is that right?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Let me be explicit
about that. We are prevented under the law to from continuing
the Commodity Credit Corporation short-term credit program
because of Russia's arrearages to the United States. All of you
know about those arrearages. They total about, I think, around
$640 million. USDA can give you an exact figure. So having
taken that into consideration and wanting to preserve American
market share and a long-term grain relationship, wanting to
respond to a specific request from the Russian government for
major food assistance, knowing that we couldn't take it from the
grant programs because we don't have sufficient authority there,
we looked at Food for Progress, which is a program we've used to
great effect in other parts of the world. And we consulted with
the Russian government and arrived at this solution.
I think the Russians are pleased because it provides
them with the food, but also gives them a little bit of relief on
the short-term payments.
Q Where do those funds actually come from?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: They come from the
Food for Progress program, which is a program under USDA's
authority. USDA has the authority to spend these funds. We do
not need to go back to the Congress for these funds. And I want
to make that general point again: Everything in this package,
the $1.6 billion package, comprises funds that have already been
allocated and appropriated by the Congress. The administration
can begin to spend these monies tomorrow. And it's very
important in our eyes that we expend all the funds this year,
that we meet these commitments. And we are confident we'll be
able to do so.
Q How did you arrive at the figure of $700
million -- does that max out that program, or did you actually
have a range from 0 to --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a reason
for it. The reason was that the Russian government told us
that's about the amount of grain that they needed between now and
harvest time. And so the idea is that we would begin the
shipments probably $100 million per month from now until the
harvest in the autumn, at which time Russia won't require the
same level of food imports from the West.
Q I would imagine there's going to be some
considerable envy and jealousy on the part of some of the other
republics because of the size and the scope of this with Russia.
Have you given any consideration to advancing negotiations for
the same kinds of projects with the Ukraine, with Georgia , with
some of the other republics?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes, we're very
conscience of the fact that we also have an interest in extending
American support to the 11 other countries of the former Soviet
Union. We have told ourselves, and we have planned that in the
area of technical assistance, the grant technical assistance that
you see, roughly 50 percent of the funding will go to Russia and
roughly 50 percent to the other countries.
In the area of food sales, we have been active with
Ukraine, in grant food assistance with Georgia and Armenia. We
will continue that. And I think it's fair to say that after this
summit we will go back and look at all of our programs with the
other countries to ensure that they are adequate and they are
productive and they're hard-hitting.
Q Has anything happened at the summit to lead
American energy companies and other companies to believe that
Russia is going to be more user-friendly toward them in terms of
taxing, legalities, bureaucracy?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, one of our
primary objectives coming into this summit was to highlight, not
only the economic agenda, but also trade and investment. And I'd
like to refer to the point I made at the beginning. We're
convinced in talking about this problem -- the problem of how to
support Russia long-term -- we're convinced that no collection of
Western governments have the financial resources over the next
decade to fuel the continuation of reform, that only the private
sector can do that.
We look at our own society and we see tremendous
capability in resources in the oil and gas sector. It is a very
good match with what the Russians need now, which is financial
investment in the existing oil and gas wells and pipeline and new
technology and new capital to finance new production.
That's what the Russian government has told us it
wants to do, and so that's why we have made such a major emphasis
on it. That's why trade and investment was a prominent issue on
the first day of these talks, and in fact, figured prominently
last night in the meeting between President Yeltsin and President
Clinton. And we're hoping that together we might send a strong
signal to the American business community that we support their
efforts to invest in Russia, that the United States, through Ex-
Im and OPEC and the Department of Commerce, will be there to
support them.
Q My question is, is Yeltsin in any position to
deliver on making Russia a more --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We think he is. I
would note that President Yeltsin's Prime Minister, Mr.
Chernomyrdin, worked for 30 years in the Russian oil and gas
sector. He will now chair a high-level commission with the Vice
President, Vice President Gore, to try to break through the
barriers that currently exist to Western investment in the oil
and gas sector. We believe we have a commitment to make that
committee an important committee. And we're looking forward to
the work.
Q What type of mechanism is already in place to
administer the private sector portion of the program? And will
the U.S. be directly involved in the tail end of distribution of
the actual funds or is the money simply turned over to the
Russian government for distribution at their will?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Are you talking
about the variety of programs listed here? It depends on the
program itself. In most cases, though, we are either working
through American PBOs or American government agencies to ensure
that the money obviously is well spent, that the money gets to
the intended source. That's an obligation we have to the
Congress to ensure the money is well spent and that we can
account for the money. We have done that in the last couple of
months intensively and we will continue to do it for each of
these programs.
But they are all quite different. For instance, in
the area of grant food and medical assistance, for grant food it
is carried out through USDA and USDA accounts for the delivery of
the food. For grant medical assistance, we've been working
through Project Hope which is a private organization. For the
housing -- for instance, the resettlement of Russian officers,
we'll be working with a group of American PBOs. On some of the
democratization projects, we're working directly with Russian
private individuals and private foundations. We're working with
journalists in Russia on a media project that you may have
noticed.
So we literally have here 30 to 40 different
activities under all these rubrics and they're all going to be
carried out in slightly different ways. Some directly with the
Russian government, some with Russian citizens.
Q The Jackson-Vanik restrictions that remain and
on the COCOM restrictions that remain, can you tell us what the
President has to do on that?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as George
noted yesterday, President Yeltsin raised these as irritants in
the relationship. The President has noted that. I think it's
fair to say we will go back now in our own government when we
return to Washington and look at both of these questions, and
we'll get back to the Russian government.
Q You were not prepared for these questions when
you got here?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We were prepared
for these questions. We've looked at them. But we're not
prepared to make a quick decision this weekend. They require --
let me just explain, particularly on Jackson-Vanik. They require
consultation with the Congress. They require consultation with
the American Jewish community. And we're very sensitive to those
concerns. And so we'll want to go back and talk to them before
we take any action.
Q Is this package designed so that you will not
have to go to Congress for anything at this point?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As I said at the
beginning, the advantage of this particular package is that all
the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress.
So the administration will not have to go back to the Congress to
seek any additional authority to fund any of these efforts. In
effect, they can all begin tomorrow, and I know that many of the
agencies responsible for these projects will begin tomorrow. And
that's the advantage of this particular initiative.
Q If this, as the President says, is a long-term,
long-haul thing, and members of Congress are at this moment
heading for Moscow, why aren't you talking about going to
Congress and suggesting to the President of Russia that you are
prepared to go to Congress for various things?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think we've been
clear about that. The President is discussing this weekend with
President Yeltsin some additional ideas that we have for American
funding of additional projects, and ideas that he has. We have a
major congressional delegation that left last night, headed by
Representative Gephardt and we'll want to consult with that
delegation and other members of Congress before doing anything.
And we'll also want to consult with our allies. So that's where
it stands now.
Q We've been told repeatedly that a number of
these items represent different or new ways of spending the money
already appropriated. Could you just tick off which of these
items represents reprogramming or at least spending money in ways
that it was not previously set to be?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that we've
said that these are all projects that either Congress had
allocated money for through the Freedom Support Act; there were
some funds that were left over from FY'92. And this
administration took office and had some new ideas about how the
funds might be expended.
We didn't use just the Freedom Support Act funds or
the FY'92 funds. We went into some of the agency allocations --
Ex-Im, OPIC, and USDA -- and tried to look for creative ways to
further our programs.
And example of that is the Food for Progress
concessional loans. We had hit a brick wall with another type of
funding through USDA. We could not go forward legally, and so we
looked for a more creative way to ensure continued American
market share and ensure continued grain sales, and we think we
found it.
Q Where, for example, are you getting the money
for this Russian officer resettlement --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's from the
Freedom Support Act funds.
Q In other words, all of the money is being
directly spent in new ways, so to speak --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Most of the grant
projects that you see -- if you look at the general chart, the
second chart, it's broken down into grant and credits. And if
you look under grants, the technical cooperation projects that
total $281.9 million -- that is almost all Freedom Support Act
funding. A little bit of it is leftover funds from fiscal year
'92. The Nunn-Lugar funds, of course, you know about the
legislative history of those funds.
Q cooperation --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: From FY '92? I
don't have the exact figure. It was not a considerable figure.
Q Could you tell us please, has anything happened
here this weekend that will break the log jam between Ukraine and
Russia over START -- for START I and II as a result of what's
happened here --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Both presidents,
President Yeltsin and President Clinton, will be discussing this
issue this morning. In fact, we haven't yet gotten to security
and arms control related issues. That will be this morning's
session. I know that President Clinton will be very strongly
reinforcing that this is a top priority for us. We've been
talking to the Russians and the Ukrainians over the last couple
of weeks about ways that we might help to facilitate the
discussions between them. Up to this point, this has been a very
important negotiation that's been going on essentially between
Moscow and Kiev. And we are at the point now of essentially
discussing with them if there are ways that we could contribute
to this discussion, help to move things forward essentially.
But in terms of what is coming out of this weekend,
I don't yet know. In a couple hours we'll know.
Q? Just a follow-up on the financing here. Is
any of this robbing Peter to pay Boris -- since it's all current
year appropriations, have you taken it from anyplace that's been
earmarked and put it into this fund?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There are smoke and
mirrors here, and I think it's an important point to note. We
could have given you a page of assistance numbers that included
out-year funding. We're going to make a long-term commitment to
many of these projects -- for instance, the enterprise funds, the
privatization effort, the housing effort. And we've already
talked to the Russians about our long-term commitment.
We could have put in really big numbers and this
could have been a bigger package, but we wanted to make a point:
This package is FY '93. It's funds that we have. And we're
going to do what we say we're going to do. And the President
feels very strongly about that. In the past there is a legacy
that the western governments, the combination of governments, put
up large budget figures and for any number of reasons we're not
able to meet them, we're determined, and the President is
determined, to carry out every single program in this package.
And we'll do it.
But we do have a longer-term commitment, and that's
part of the discussions on economics this weekend. We're looking
for Russian ideas on what it is we can do to most effectively
support reform. And we've told them that we do have a commitment
on some of these programs beyond this fiscal year.
Q taken it way from any --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, we haven't.
Okay, the question is, have we reprogrammed any of these funds;
so have we taken it from other countries to pay for programs in
Russia? The answer is no, we have not done so.
Q In terms of funding, there is no available
monies left -- and you simply find a creative way to find money
somewhere else. Doesn't that, in fact, support the -- theory?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Not at all. I
don't think it does. That's a particular example, and the
example is grain sales. The Commodity Credit Corporation credit
guarantee program was short-term loans that Russia had to pay
back within 12 to 15 months. You all know about Russia's debt
problem, and Russia was unable to meet those commitments. So we
looked for a way to do two things: to meet Russia's requirement
for grain. They're a net grain importer on a massive scale, and
also meet our objective of making sure that the American farmers
have a chance to sell their products to Russia. And we simply
look for another way to finance that. And we have legislative
authority to do it. This program has been successful in other
areas. We had not tried it before in the former Soviet Union,
but we thought we should now.
Q Isn't this really the Bush-Clinton aid package
for Russia, since these funds were really first derived by
initiatives put forward by President Bush?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I don't think
that's a fair characterization. A lot of these funds were
appropriated by the U.S. Congress is 1991, in 1992. This
administration took office and inherited some obligations that
the Bush administration had made. But we had a long six to seven
week review of this program. We decided to meet the commitments
that had been made by the previous administration.
But we have gone well beyond them in funding the
enterprise fund, which was just an idea, but the idea had not
been filled out with a program. There was no number attached to
it. In grouping together some projects and trying to make them
into a coherent whole in the privatization effort, I would say,
is another Clinton initiative.
Further, we listened to the Russian government and
listened to the Russian military who told us that the
resettlement of their officers was important to them for
political and economic and social reasons. And President Clinton
has responded to that. And we are making a long-term commitment
that beyond this demonstration project we're going to figure out
a way to do much more in trying to settle those officers.
I would also say that the President has given
impetus to all of us in the agencies to think much more broadly
about what it is we can do on democratization, because there we
have some experience and some comparative advantage that lends
itself to the Russian experience. And in calling for the
creation of a democracy corps, which is another new initiative,
we're hopeful that we can take the resources of the private
sector as well as the American government, to achieve that
objective.
So I would not characterize it that way at all. And
as most of you know, I am a career civil servant. I was in the
last administration. I'm very familiar with what the last
administration did. And I would characterize this as a Clinton
assistance package for Russia.
Q There's been a lot of criticism that aid in the
past has not gotten to the people. Is there anything in this
outside of the ombudsman, that will guarantee that this money
will not just disappear because it's being administered by the
Russian government?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that -- I
know that the President and other senior officials of our
government are concerned that American money be spent wisely and
that it get to the source that it's intended -- for which it's
intended. And so we're going to take great care -- AID and the
State Department will take great care in making sure that the
funds are expended properly and that they're reaching their
source.
I would not that this package is not simply a
package of support solely to the Russian government. Some of
these projects, especially in democratization and exchanges, are
going to be worked out directly with Russian private individuals,
with businesses. The private enterprise support is another
example of that.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If I could just add
a word on this point with regard to the SSD-related programs, one
area that we've been looking at very, very closely is
consideration of actually using Russian firms in subcontracting
for these kinds of programs. They would be working very closely,
of course, with the American firms, who would be the prime
contractors. But this is a fine example, I think, of a more --of
a imaginative and flexible approach toward getting some of that
funding down to the grassroots level, down to the ground in
Russia; but at the same time ensuring that it is spent
efficiently and for the purposes for which it was intended.
Q When would the democracy corps start? Exactly
when do you see this happening? How would get it off the ground?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the President
is today calling for the creation of a democracy corps. I think
it's fair to say that we're going to work out its framework over
the next couple of weeks. Ambassador Simons takes up his duties
on May 1st. But in effect we've already started, because over
the last couple of weeks the administration has begun to reach
out to people in the private sector who have come to us asking us
to help facilitate their activities in Russia. And we've said
that we will be helpful. We've also tried to kind of coordinate
in a much more effective way the activities of our own
government. We do have 10 or 15 agencies that are active in
Russia in one way or another. We think it makes sense to draw
them together and to focus their efforts.
Q Excuse me. How much of this $1.6 billion will
actually be spent in the United States by American made goods?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't have any
figures for you now, but perhaps we could try to work something
up in the next couple of days on that.
Q This figure is larger than the figure that has
been in the press -- did this program grow yesterday as a result
of the discussions, or have we just been that far off the mark?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I think --
unfortunately the press has been a little bit off the mark, and
I'm sorry to say that. No, this package -- President Clinton put
us to work about seven weeks ago on this package. And he was
briefed intensively on this. He contributed a lot of the
intellectual leadership in this package. He contributed a lot of
the ideas in the package. And I think it's fair to say that we
had this rough package worked out about two weeks ago. We have
been refining it ever since. We spent a couple of days last week
going over it with the Russian government, both the embassy in
Washington and the government in Moscow through our own embassy.
And so it's been evolving. But this particular package has been
together for about two weeks.
Q Where is Yeltsin's input into this then? There
was so much talk before about the President wanted to get
Yeltsin's views about specifically what was needed and so forth.
Is that in the out years?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, it's both.
President Yeltsin has on several occasions told us, for instance,
that support for the creation of private businesses is important
to him; that the resettlement of Russian military officers is
important; and that first and foremost the effort to privatize
the state industries is important to them.
And so what we did was to try to make those the
centerpiece of our technical assistance part o the package. We
listened to him. On the privatization effort, we have been
working with the Russian government for months on this trying to
work out all the details. So the Russian government on most of
these programs was involved every step of the way.
But let me get at the other part of your question.
The President is also using this weekend to talk about a broader
set of initiatives that we might undertake. And we're looking
for his ideas. The President has brought his own ideas to the
table -- for instance, on energy and the environment and in
housing. But we're looking for Russian ideas not. We need to
consult with the Congress; and we need to consult with the other
allied governments that are also active.
Q There's essentially nothing that happened in
the last day and a half that measurably altered the package that
you came in with?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: This particular
package, as I said, was worked out and was ready about two weeks
ago. We have since then consulted with the Russian government on
the final stages of its development, and so this weekend we've
primarily talked about future, about what more the United States
and other Western countries can do to support reform in Russia,
which is our base objective here.
Q I noticed that you -- that money appropriated
to train bankers and businessmen and officers. Can you tell me
what about job training for workers who are displaced by
privatization?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: You're right; we
have a program to train Russian -- young Russians in banking and
financial services in the United States. Part of the housing
initiative, it's not just to build housing units, it's to retrain
Russian officers who are retiring into other professions.
Q money for job training for workers whose
jobs are disappearing because of privatization --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We have not yet
allocated any money for that.
Q Why not?
Q of the $6 million is going to build 450
housing units. Isn't that a lot of money per unit given what the
Western dollar will buy in the former Soviet Union?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If you want to do
housing the right way, it's not just the building the framework
of a house, you've got to think about all the utilities. You've
got to think about the purchase of land. You've got to think
about sewage and gas and electricity and so forth. And it's also
retraining. It's not enough to put retired -- an officer coming
out of -- Riga or Tallin or Vilnius in a house in western Russia.
We think we have an obligation to try to retrain those officers
as well. This is responding to a request from the Russian
government.
Q of the $6 million will go to retrain --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right.
Q Are you talking about apartment buildings or
single --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We're talking about
single, individual dwellings.
Q You're saying that only 450 families will be
served by this?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: What I want to -- I
thought I pointed out earlier, this is a demonstration project.
What we didn't want to do -- given the experience that the
Germans and the Turks and the Italians have had in building
housing in western Russian, we did not want to leap into it with
a huge amount of money. What we want to do is work over the next
couple of months and try to figure out with American
organizations in the private sector the best way to get this job
done.
I noted that we have a long-term commitment to that.
And so I would expect that we would put a lot more money into
this in the future . But we want to do it wisely; we want to
spend the money wisely.
Q What is it about this program that convinces
you that it will protect Russia's reforms and that Russia will be
in a position to may back the money they're supposed to pay back,
especially considering their other debt problem?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, look, I think
it's important to note that the United States on its own does not
have the capability to fuel a continuation of Russian reform.
It's got to be a collective Western effort, and we're looking to
our allies to do more as well. But beyond that, it's really what
the Russians do that is going to decide the fate of reform. We
can simply play a role, and we feel we have an obligation to do
so, which is consistent with our national interests.
Q Did the President say that the value of the
U.S. contribution was that it would create security and
prosperity for the United States? So what is it about this
program that does this?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think you have to
go back to the fundamental objective of our policy toward Russia,
and that is we want to do everything we can to support the
continuation of reform. We are convinced that if reformers stay
in power, then we'll be able to continue the drawdown of nuclear
forces, foreign policy cooperation and economic interaction,
which are the three benefits to the United States from reform in
Russia. So it's not a simple question. You can't just say that
this program is the answer. It's a long-term question and we
have to make a long-term commitment to it.
Q And then on the question of Russia's ability to
repay, what convinces you they'll be able to pay seven to 15
years from now?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the Russian
government has made a commitment to repay, and what we're hoping
is that if reform continues, and if they can continue to improve
their oil and gas sector and earn additional hard currency
revenues, that Russia will be in a position six or seven years
from now to pay back those loans.
Q substantial government-to-government loan
we've ever gotten into with the Russians?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't want to
answer authoritatively on that. I don't go back 20 or 30 years
on this. But in the last four or five years, yes it is, because
the previous way that we financed grain exports was really to
just ensure private bank loans. This is a different type of
effort.
Q government loans in any other sector that
you recall? I know it wasn't done in --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think it's fair
to say this is a new and unique effort.
END10:25 A.M. PDT
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Hi,
I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B,
and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive.
I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI
drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups
from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins
actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE
drive.
I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to
enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any
mention of it in the manuals.
My system config is:
i486DX/33 4Mb
Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI
IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE
Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks,
Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au)
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41 Mariposa Rd
Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107
+61 2 918-8152 (home) Australia
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41 Mariposa Rd
Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr23.171256.5541@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu(The_Doge) writes:
|>
|> Deleted: vast quantities of carefully-annoted spew from "David Koresh"
|> I don't know about the rest of you, but I think Mr. Tice needs a hobby.
He has one. He spent last summer telling everyone who doubted the word
of the great Perot that they were bigotted perot-bashers, right up to the
moment he chickened out on them. He then kept quiet for a bit and then
came back when Perot re-entered.
I am avidly collecting Koresh rumours, the nuttier the better. So far I
have three posts in my mailbox claiming that the Warrant for the search
1) Never existed.
2) Did not authorize "no knock", helicopters etc.
3) Was completely irrelevant because the laws wer unconstitutional.
I am avidly trying to locate a copy of the "Book of Koresh" that a number
have claimed exist.
Then there is the rumour that Loresh in fact survived the fire in a secret
hideyhole and rose again on the third day only to be spirited away by
FBI agents and disposed of in order to prevent a cult following.
The source of the fire is variously attributed to a deliberate act on the
part of the FBI, an accident or an act of God.
In the same way I really like the "miracle amunition belt" story. The
idea being that in a just cause God will supply amunition "fear not
for the Lord himself shall place the arrows in your bow". Neat eh? The
BATF agents were thus definitively shot by the will of God himself. I
can't see why they needed the million rounds of ammo though in that
case.
If you have some Koresh material that hasn't gone to the net then please
send it to me. In particular I really do want to see the book of Koresh,
but no making one up please. I want the real Mcoy, the one the Feds
discoverd on the third day in a box with seven seals and are suppressing.
I will editorialize for the benefit of the net to produce a "definitive"
history.
I would prefer though to have genuine rather than made to measure Koreshia.
There are plenty of genuinly unhinged loons so as to not need to start
making it up. Of course if you are an unhinged loon then I want to hear
from you.
Phill Hallam-Baker
PS Libel suits not welcome.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
AllTall Cool OneWhat's a good IC for RS23
TC>From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One )
TC>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
TC>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL vo
TC>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone
TC>a suggestion?? Thanks.
Try a Maxim "MAX232CPE" 8 pin dil, converts 5V to 12V for 232commms.
What a clever little gizmo!
Peter T.
| 12sci.electronics |
snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
>If Saddam believed in God, he would pray five times a
>day.
>
>Communism, on the other hand, actually committed genocide in the name of
>atheism, as Lenin and Stalin have said themselves. These two were die
>hard atheist (Look! A pun!) and believed in atheism as an integral part
>of communism.
No, Bobby. Stalin killed millions in the name of Socialism. Atheism was a
characteristic of the Lenin-Stalin version of Socialism, nothing more.
Another characteristic of Lenin-Stalin Socialism was the centralization of
food distribution. Would you therefore say that Stalin and Lenin killed
millions in the name of rationing bread? Of course not.
>More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else.
In earlier posts you stated that true (Muslim) believers were incapable of
evil. I suppose if you believe that, you could reason that no one has ever
been killed in the name of religion. What a perfect world you live in,
Bobby.
>One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving
>God a form. God does not have a "face".
Bobby is referring to a rather obscure law in _The Good Atheist's
Handbook_:
Law XXVI.A.3: Give that which you do not believe in a face.
You must excuse us, Bobby. When we argue against theism, we usually argue
against the Christian idea of God. In the realm of Christianity, man was
created in God's image.
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| Kevin Marshall Sophomore, Computer Science |
| Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA USA marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |
|____________________________________________________________________|
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> you write:
|>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli's, I most enthuiastically
|>>recommend
|>>Bernoulli's. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to
|>>cartridge
|>
|>What does your friends have? Buy it.
|>
|>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop
I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of
diffrent storage solutions,
OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli.
Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev
e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies
alot. you ran out of storage real fast.
IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge
Homayoon Akhiani "Turning Ideas into ... Reality"
Digital Equipment Corporation "Alpha, The New Beginning"
77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 "All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993"
Email: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com "The words are mine, and not my employer"
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <id.XNFZ.VJ8@nmti.com> korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes:
>In article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:
>>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with
>>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?
>>Any information would be helpful!
>>thanks
>>Brian J Schaufenbuel
>
>
>I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset
>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The
>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this
>reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look-
>ing to replace it for exactly this reason.
>
>Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard
>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA
>DMA.
>
>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using
>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a
>EISA SCSI host adapter.
>
>--
>Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com)
>Network Management Technology Incorporated
>Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357
You are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says
that they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks...
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_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________
| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ "There is no art which one government sooner learns ]
| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]
| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]." - Adam Smith ]
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Michael Levin wrote:
> I am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for
> password encryption. I.e., someone has a clear-text word, runs it
> through the algorithm, and it becomes some other sequence of symbols.
> I want this algorithm to have the property that it is a) next to
> impossible to reverse, and b) would take too long to try all possible
> words to see which one works (even by use of a high-speed computer).
> Please send references or ideas to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.
The original one-way encryption I put into Multics about 1968 (as suggested
by Joe Weizenbaum) was invertible. An Air Force tiger team demonstrated
this to me in May 1973. I then asked an expert (who requested anonymity)
what I should use instead; the expert's suggestion was to treat the
8-byte password as both key and data for the LUCIFER encryption algorithm,
which is similar or identical to DES. This method or something stronger
should take care of (a). Issue (b) is discussed in comp.security.misc:
longer passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords
are the common tactics.
tom_vanvleck@taligent.com
| 11sci.crypt |
I've installed X11R5 with patches for Solaris 2.1 on our SPARCstation LX /
SPARCclassic pool. On the LX, X11R5 runs fine, but on the classics,
after giving the command startx, Xsun prints the following messages:
WARNING: cg3_mmap: can't map dummy space!
Mapping cg3c: No such device or address
and exits.
Does anybody know how to fix this problem?
Thanks in advance.
---
Christian Rank
Lehrstuhl fuer Wirtschaftsinformatik * Universitaet Passau *
Innstr. 29 * D-8390 Passau
| 5comp.windows.x |
In <1r4kve$6cl@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> ossip@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ossip Kaehr) writes:
>I have a SE/30 and a Generation Systems 8bit PDS card for a 17"
>screen.
>It worked great until I upgraded from 5 to 20 mb ram.
>Now with Sys7.1 and MODE32 or 32enabler it does not boot..
>a tech support person said the card does not support these 32bit
>fixes.
I guess he is right. Early versions of the RasterOps cards did not either,
but they fixed it, and people with problems can get a free ROM upgrade
from RasterOps.
>BUT: when pressing the shift key while booting (when the ext. monitor
>goes black after having been grey) the system SOMETIMES boots properly!!
>and then works ok with the 20mb and full graphics.
>WHAT's HAPPENING???
Very easy. If you boot without the MODE32 control panel, then it will
disable (or rather not reinstall) the 32-bit clean patches. So when
you run OK you must be in 24-bit adressing mode. Check About this Macintosh
and see if you havce a 12+MB system.
>Thanks a lot for any advice!!!
>please answer by mail.
sent seperately.
>Ossip Kaehr
>ossip@cs.tu-berlin.de
>voice: +49.30.6226317
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> __ -------------------------------------------------------------- __
>/_/\ Ossip Kaehr Hermannstrasse 32 D-1000 Berlin 44 Germany /\_\
>\_\/ Tel. +49.30.6223910 or 6218814 EMail ossip@cs.tu-berlin.de \/_/
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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pope@imv.aau.dk - povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk
--- Finger me at pope@imv.aau.dk for PGP Public Key ---
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:
>Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an
>article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group??
>These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts
>and have little if any hockey info.
>I have recieved two in the last 2 days.
>I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who
>disagrees with him.
>
>Gregmeister
>
You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any
bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not
all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming
at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the
like!
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Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada
lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Y'know, when the right to bear arms was "invented", all we had to worry
about was the shotgun and pistol. Now, we have to worry about drive-bys
with Uzis sparaying the entire neighborhood with bullets.
Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
To: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
GJH>} Do one thing right and do it well.
GJH>Do you consider trying to make abortion illegal an example of this?
No, my goal is to make abortion unnecessary.
Anthony
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes:
>Can someone please help me understand the current situation
>regarding SIMMS?
Sure. I can give is a shot...
>I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.
>I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.
>I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.
>Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?
You need to get the 30-pin simms.
>Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a
>newer, more powerful system?
If you mean in a "newer, more powerful" Mac system then the answer
is no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and
no longer use the 30-pin SIMMs.
-Hades
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Are you guys talking about the Soviet "shuttle"? It's not "Soyuz",
it's called "Buran" which means "snow storm."
(At least that's what they call it on Russian TV).
--
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
| 14sci.space |
>> 0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House)
>
>Is this "White House e-mail address" really working yet? Someone
>posted such an address on CompuServe a few months ago, but apparently
>the White House wasn't really set up to recive hundreds (thousands?)
This is a real address. My understanding of the current process
that mail takes is it gets downloaded on floppy disk and is processed
by retiree volunteers, who match the message against message profiles
and check the message count. (I.e.: "yeah, that's a for gays in the
military. what's this clipper stuff? must be against gays in the
military...")
The higher-volume white-house email stuff is in the works,
I know for a fact, but won't be online for probably another month
or two at the soonest. My understanding is that the link speed will
increase (direct internet instead of Compu$erve to floppy) but the
message processing will remain the same.
>Unless the people at the White House print and distribute this mail
>every day, you may have better luck printing out a letter (on paper,
>that flat white stuff all over my desk) and Snail-Mailing it to the
>White House. I imagine writing to your local representative and
>senator wouldn't hurt either. Heck, why not write to Al Gore while
>you're at it?
The white house email does get read. I agree that printing it
and sending Cc: to everyone you can think of is probably better because
it is more visible, but the message processing (fitting messages against
a template) is the same in either case.
mjr.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <NERONE.93Apr20085951@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu>, nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes:
|> In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
|>
|> CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in
|> CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of
|> CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to
|> CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this
|> CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.
|> CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for
|> CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way?
|> CH> Just curious.
|>
|> I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups
|> already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly
|> into one of these categories.
|>
|> Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga
|> groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split
|> would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured
|> environment.
|>
|> --
|> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
|> / Michael Nerone \"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\
|> / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\
|> /nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it."-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\
Hi,
It might be nice to know, what's possible on different hard ware platforms.
But usually the hard ware is fixed ( in my case either Unix or DOS- PC ).
So I'm not much interested in Amiga news.
In the case of Software, I won't get any comercial software mentioned in this
newgroup to run on a Unix- platform, so I'm not interested in this information.
I would suggest to split the group. I don't see the problem of cross-posting.
Then you need to read just 2 newgroups with half the size.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE A FAQ. THIS WOULD REDUCE THE
TRAFFIC A LOT.
Sincerely, Gerhard
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| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1rgrsvINNmpr@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>Greg:Flame definitely intended here. Bill was making fun of the misspelling.
>Go look up the word "krill." Also, the correct spelling is Kirlian. It
>involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the
>subject to a high-voltage source, not of some "aura." It works equally well
>with inanimate objects.
True.. but what about showing the missing part of a leaf? Is this
"corona discharge"?
--
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Ezra Story, a student at RIT, and
eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu, his trusty(?) mailing address.
| 13sci.med |
In article <C4vG3F.Kx3@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>>I believe in gun control. How about you?
>
> I believe in gun control, too . . . assuming by "gun control"
> you mean always being able to hit your target.
>
>
>---peter
>
Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in "Pink Cadillac" -
"I believe in gun control. If there's a gun around, I wanna be
the one controlling it."
Al
[standard disclaimer]
| 16talk.politics.guns |
I know that this is not the correct place to post this, but I have
exhausted all other logical options. I used to be on the INFO-UNIX
newsgroup mailer. The mailers mysteriously quite coming around the end of
last year. All e-mails requesting that I be placed back on the list have
been ignored. I have been unable to locate the administrator of this list.
If anyone knows of the internet address that I can send a the request to
get back on this list, can you please send it to me. If you don't know
of this specific newsgroup mailer, I would appreciate the address of *any*
UNIX-related newsgroup. Thanks.
Cutoff,
Steve
slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.mil
PS - Sorry for the non-X-related question.
| 5comp.windows.x |
In article <1993Apr21.145336.5912@ra.royalroads.ca>,
mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:
> And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not
> even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play
> God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his
> followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven,
> a far better place. How do I know? By faith.
It seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes
due to the tragedy. As such it maybe fills a need, however I'm
getting tired to see children dying in pain in Sudan due to lack
of food, and assuming that God takes these sufferers to heaven
after a painful death.
Cheers,
Kent
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
>>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth
>>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating?
>
>[From Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>, posted with permission - Carl]
>
>Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and
>voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests.
I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that
administering "truth serum" would be ruled a violation of your right
not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference?
Both drawing blood and injecting "truth serum" incapacitate you for
a while, but do no permanent damage. Is it simply that we have come to
view one as acceptable, while the other is viewed as a fundamental
violation of one's rights? If this is the case, how do we expand the
protections of the 5th amendment to incorporate new technologies without
the results being a hodgepodge of different judges personal opinions?
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| 11sci.crypt |
Try spectrum.xerox.com [192.70.225.78] in /pub/map/dem.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1rhm0j$6cg@agate.berkeley.edu> nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel;;;;RC38) writes:
>In article <C62onK.F7A@netnews.jhuapl.edu> ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) writes:
>>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes:
>
>>>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive..
>>>Don't laugh ... I am serious...
>>>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of,
>>>please mail me ...
>>
>>>-- Nilay Patel
>>>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu
>
>>You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you
>>were looking for the old 8" or the newer 5.25".
>
>Well...I need the old 8" disks ... You are right, disks is a better word,
>but they are so big and calling them disks is kind of funny ... but the
>appropriate word is disks ...
Gee, I remember the old 8" FLOPPY disks we used on an S-100 CP/M system
back in high school. Not to mention those old 24" multi-platter disk
packs that held about 15MB that went in the big washing machine
drives at the local college I took some programming classes at.
And this was even in the early '80's....
Tom
paladin@world.std.com
"A disk is a disk, no matter how great or how small..."
paraphrasing Gulliver's Travels
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>In <115873@bu.edu> Jason Gibson writes:
>>I can live with the other changes that have been made (e.g. the playoff format
>>change), but the change to the division and conference names really annoys me.
>>"Batman" was on TSN last night saying that changing the names would make the
>>game easier for the "occasional fan to follow". He should have said what he
>>meant: that changing the names will make the game easier for _Americans_ in
>>non-hockey cities to follow. I don't know of too many of my friends who had
>>a hard time following which teams were in each division. Even a minimal amount
>>of exposure to the game allows a person to quickly pick up on this.
>There is nothing wrong with making the game easier for "_Americans_" to
>follow. The more fans the merrier and even if you dislike the "occasional"
>fan there is always the chance that these fans will become fanatics.
>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names
>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called
>"builders" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein
>in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the
>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to
>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people
>who deserve it.
I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick,
Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming
front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although
they were not great players themselves.
I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people
have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans,
then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like
a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being
uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize
what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something
abotu the history of the game.
>The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen-
>tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington
>division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division?
No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say
that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are
assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy
individual (from what I have heard).
Also, isn't the point of "professional" hockey to make money
for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think
you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as
should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make
the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming
division after management people rather than players is adding insult
(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was
deserved).
_______________________
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=======================
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
>What is the fact of evolution? There is a difference between calling evolution a
>fact and talking about the theory of evolution providing facts (I happen to think
>the latter is more accurate ). And you said it best yourself: If you assess
>the _theories_ of evolution objectively... Why didn't you say, If you assess
>the _facts_ of evolution objectively...
--
> jim halat halat@bear.com
>bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
> nyc i speak only for myself
The fossil record, for example, shows us the FACT of evolution. The THEORY of
evolution attempts to explain how the changes shown in the fossil record have
occurred. The theory does not provide the facts; they are there already.
__________________________________________________________
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OSU Physics |
| 0alt.atheism |
>From: scott@prism.gatech.edu (Scott Holt)
>Subject: hate the sin...
>Date: 12 May 93 08:27:08 GMT
>"Hate the sin but love the sinner"...I've heard that quite a bit recently,
>My question is whether that statement is consistent with Christianity. I
>would think not. Hate begets more hate, never love.
If you are questioning whether or not "hating sin" is consistent with
Christianity; I ask you to consider the following Scripture:
Romans 12:9 "Let Love be without hypocrisy. Hate what is evil, cling
to what is good."
What is it that Paul, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is
calling us to hate? Would God call us to do something that would
eventually lead to hating our fellow man; especially when he commands us to
do the opposite, to love your fellow man?
>Consider some sin. Now lets apply our "hate the sin..." philosophy and see
>what happens. If we truly hate the sin, then the more we see it, the
>stronger our hatred of it will become. Eventually this hate becomes so
>strong that we become disgusted with the sinner and eventually come to
>hate the sinner.
That has not been my experience. I've not found myself hating anybody
as a result of hating the sin that may be in their life. As a sinner
myself, I find myself having more compassion for the person. Jesus too,
since the Bible teaches that he was tempted in every way that we are, is
able to have compassion on us when we our tempted and fall. Jesus is our
very example of HOW to hate the sin but love the sinner. In the account of
the woman caught in adultery (John 8), Jesus had compassion on the woman;
BUT he also called her to leave her life of sin. This is what it means to
love sinners but hate their sin; it means loving them unconditionally,
while at the same time calling them to leave their sin.
>In addition, our hatred of the sin often causes us to say and do things
>which are taken personally by the sinner (who often does not even believe
>what they are doing is a sin).
The blame for this can not always be laid at the feet of the
Christian. I have seen and been guilty of taking offense by someone merely
pointing out my sin and calling me to repent of it. It was not unloving
for the Christian to call me out of sin; in fact, I believe it was the most
loving thing that that person could have done. He loved me enough to want
to spare me the consequence of remaining in my sin.
>After enough of this, the sinner begins to hate us (they certainly don't
>love us for our constant criticism of their behavior). Hate builds up and
>drives people away from God...this certainly cannot be a good way to build
>love.
Again, I don't think that you can lay the blame for this at the feet of
the Christian. If we have loved them as Jesus loved sinners (exemplified
in John 8) and the sinner hates us for it, then we have done the best we
can. We will have extended to them the most perfect expression of love and
they will have rejected it.
Now it we hate the sin but forget to love the sinner, then indeed, we
will, ourselves, be in sin.
>In the summary of the law, Christ commands us to love God and to love our
>neighbors. He doesn't say anything about hate.
I would like to encourage you to do a word study on HATE in the New
Testament. I really think that you will be surprised.
>In fact, if anything, he commands us to save our criticisms for ourselves.
Criticism is very different from calling a sinner to repent.
Hope this helps,
In Christ,
Tony Balsamo
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of
had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the
compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.
The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored
transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use
more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to
do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they
must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.
With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
of ours.
With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
to death 51 days later.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
|> >
|>
|> Ermenistan kasiniyor...
|>
|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets
|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy.
|>
|> Esin.
Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;
ARMENIA is NOT getting "itchy". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE
WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS
tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of
CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993May11.141706.5878@iitmax.iit.edu> VAXTOOLS@chico.acc.iit.edu (Falke Bruinsma (WildThing)) writes:
>Hiya
>
>I'm using Word for Windows and I am quite satisfied with it, except the
>Equation Editor screws up all the time. When I try to insert an equation it
>will give me two errors: Fence Font not Found and Meta Font not found. The
>real problem is that it will not display or print out the integral sign. Does
>anyone else have this problem? And how do I solve it?
>I'm using a Z-sport 486 laptop with a Panasonic 1124p printer, running
>msdos 5.0 and windows 3.1.
>
> Thanks,
> Falke
>
We all had that problem, you need to expand the fonts manually, the program
"decomp" is on disk 1 & the equations fonts are on disk 3
Have fun
Gel
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
What would all of you out there in net land think of the big 6 (Martin
Mariatta, Boeing, Mcdonell Douglas, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Rockwell)
getting together, and forming a consortium to study exactly what the market
price pints are for building reusable launch vehicles, and spending say
$3million to do that. Recognizing that most of the military requirements
for launch vehicles are pulled out of a hat somewhere (say, has the shuttle
ever really used that 1200mi crossrange capability? You get the idea, figure
out how many, how often, where to, etc...)
Then taking this data, and forming a sematech type company (bad example, I
know... but at least its an example...) To develop between 3 and 5 craft
designs. Then to take all of those designs, and figure out EXACTLY what
the technologies are, and demonstrate those technologies, in order to
eliminate designs that can't be built today. And lets say that this
portion again funded by the GOV cost about $20 million.
And from here all of these companies went their separate ways, with the
intention of taking all of the market data and the design data to wall
street, and saying "I want to build this vehicle, and here are the numbers
that show %20 ROI, fund me...)
Now many of you think that this is a joke, but I have it on good authority that
just this project is shaping up in the background. It seems that the aerospace
companies have learned that everyone yelling similar but different things
ends up in many programs that do nothing much and get canceled (NASP, NLS,
ALS, DCY?, etc...) They need to work more in the japaneese, and european
spirit of initial cooperation. They have also learned that design requirements
that are phony (I.E. some generals idea of what a space vehicle ought to be)
ends up getting chopped up in congress, because it is not a REAL requirement.
Any feedback?
John.
| 14sci.space |
I'm running X under openwindows 3. Normal X programs not having a
font specified always show up in the same font - until I change the
fontpath, and restart windows - then a new default font is used until
the next change. I can't seem to figure out how it chooses. Is there
some way to set this? Possibly something in .Xdefaults???
Please reply in direct email - I summarize.
--
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Lunds universitet. Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
| 5comp.windows.x |
Hi
I t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike
to my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam,
he noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up
and started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the
area and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a
while years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again.
Needless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in
such a position, if ya know what I mean :->
|Chris Hogan ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu |CB-1|
| 1127 |
| Soft as the massacre of Suns |
| By Evening's Sabres slain |
| emily dickinson |
| 8rec.motorcycles |
In article <15APR199321275870@cvdv99.mayo.edu>, fisk@cvdv99.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk | 2D-337 STM | 5-4341) writes:
|> In article <C5JLDC.HL9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) writes...
|> >Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI
|> >GUP?
|> >Thanks
|> >
|> The latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu
|> in the pub/pc/win3/... directory structure as pro59.zip. I checked with ATI's
|> BBS last nite and there were no releases past 59.
|>
|> We have the ATI Local Bus card and I noticed that I get garbage around the
|> edges of a window when I move it. Has anybody else noticed this also?
I have the local bus card also, and don't have any such problems with it
now, but this is the second card I've gotten - the first card didn't work
in VGA mode correctly. Maybe they still have some quality control problems.
I would suggest checking with ATI (I went through the vendor I bought the
card from since the problem showed up immediately). I never was able to
get through to ATI's technical support number.
I sure like the way the card performs though. I have the 2MB ATI ultra
pro - local bus, and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode.
Cheers,
Phil
|>
|> Tom.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
To: rcstage1@urc.tue.nl (Stage usercode)
From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
SU>There is no truth, only opinions.
I can now understand where you are coming from. How can you go through
life with out a constent? Without truth or a point of reference one
wonders aimlessly.
SU>I'm not wrong, that's just your opinion.
Opinion based in fact?
SU>This is not an exact science!
SU>As far as I'm concernd, we can agree to differ, but I can not stand people
SU>who think they are right and everybody else is wrong.
Then maybe you had better sit down.
SU>Guido Klemans
Guido, before you have a hemmorage, maybe we can lighten up, Ok. You
have opinions as do I. Flaming at each other will not get us anywhere in
the understand of our respective positions. I offer a hand of
friendship, a truce, if it may, so that maybe we can start this
conversation like gentelmen (I am sorry if that was a mistake, from your
name I can't tell gender, you know us stupid Americans). Since you have
replied to my wife's post you must have some strong feelings about this
issue. I would like to hear them, and understand them if I can. In
return all I ask is for you to listen to me, and try to understand why I
feel the way I do.
All the yelling and all the hate about this issue just drives the sides
farther apart, till they forget why they started the fight in the first
place. If you and I can forster an understand and mutual respect for
each others views than maybe, and only then really can we come up with a
solution that is acceptable to us both.
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr06.020021.186145@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:
>Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working
>and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either:
>* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back,
>and/or
>* A Saturn V went boom.
The Apollo fire was harsh, A Saturn V explosion would have been
hurtful but The Soviets winning would have been crushing. That could have
been *the* technological turning point for the US turning us
from Today's "We can do anything, we're *the* Super Power" to a much more
reserved attitude like the Soviet Program today.
Kennedy was gone by 68\69, the war was still on is the east, I think
the program would have stalled badly and the goal of the moon
by 70 would have been dead with Nasa trying to figure were they went wrong.
>If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone
>head and done some landings, but we also would have been more
>determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the
>Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend
>upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base
>would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think
>that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value
>of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would
>have concentrated on the moon.
I speulate that:
+The Saturn program would have been pushed into
the 70s with cost over runs that would just be too evil.
Nixon still wins.
+The Shuttle was never proposed and Skylab never built.
+By 73 the program stalled yet again under the fuel crisis.
+A string of small launches mark the mid seventies.
+By 76 the goal of a US man on the moon is dead and the US space program
drifts till the present day.
>/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\
>| "I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving |
>| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the |
>| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." |
>| <John F. Kennedy; May 25, 1961> |
| 14sci.space |
I am testing IDEA block cipher implementations for correctness
and needs some golden test vectors. I've looked through
the postscript IDEA chapter but the single example gives me
zero degrees of freedom. I'll contact the inventor if necessary
but since we are NOT paying him money for use of his invention,
I'd like to offload this from him. Anybody got vectors?
(No disease vectors, please).
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| 11sci.crypt |
My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart
recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen. As we
tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some
surprising performance differences across products. The scroll performance
of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate
Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line.
The results:
The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the
(drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with
the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison.
Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the
disparity in graphics/processor performance?
Dave Steele (daves@xetron.com) (513)881-3330
Xetron Corp.
40 W. Crescentville Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45246
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1r9dd7INNqfk@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>
>scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (scharle) writes:
>
>> For your information, I checked the Library of Congress catalog,
>>and they list the following books by Francis Hitching:
>
>
>I believe I've just discovered an anthopological parallel. In my many
>"discussions" with the fundies, their main tactic is to discredit
>my sources. They shrilly bleat:
>
> "Barclay's claims are bogus; McKenzie's arguements are a sham,
>Oehler position is specious, Jouon's ideas are fiction, Darby is a
>fraud, Howard is a counterfeit, Rotherham's claims are vapid."
>
>Ahha...Now with the Branch Athiests zealots we have the following:
>
> "Hitching`s claims are bogus, Gorman argument's are a sham,
>Jastrow's position is specious, Stanley's ideas are fiction, Durant
>is a fraud, Thorpe is a counterfeit, Hoyle's claims are vapid."
>
>Are we witnessing the founding of a new major religion.... or has
>it really been there all along?!
>
>
>Let me try again.
>
>"The doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
>of evolutionary biology has inflamed passions. There is lack of agreement
>even within warring camps. Sometimes it seems as if there are as many
>variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."
>
>Niles Eldridge (yes he's a paleontologist); Natural History; "Evolutionary
>Housecleaning"; Feb 1982; pg. 78.
>
>Jack
Ooooops! Jack, you forgot to expunge one part of your new ripped-out-of-context
quote. That's the last line. Here Eldridge is talking about disagreement over
the various theories (themes). We all know about that. We also know that
nobody in the "warring camps" doubts the fact of evolution. You see, if you
had clipped the last line, you could have made it look like even evolutionary
biologists are doubting the fact of evolution. That's what you wanted to do,
isn't it? Boy oh boy!, do you need to sharpen up your quote clippers or what?
By the way, what's an "anth[r]opological parallel?"
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qj9gq$mg7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
(Deletion)
>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so
>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism?
Straw man, you are trying to replace pragmatics by morals. And what about
a Subjectivis saying Subjectivismis better for me?
>Is good logic *better* than bad? Is good science better than bad? Ought
>I to prefer simple theories with accurate predictions to complex and useless
>theories? Is almost anything preferable to genocide? Is there a sense in
>which such value judgements are objective, or not?
>
Make those predictions and don't waste our time with circular definitions
and assertions without evidence. In this example, when genocide is so
commonly abhorred, why does it happen so often in the context of religion?
Does it allow to conclude that there is something about religion that
catalyses genocide? Or, in case it has nothing got to do with religion,
that the premise is wrong, genocide is not abhorred?
Benedikt
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1993Apr21.170403.22855@yang.earlham.edu>
joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu writes:
> Are there any TIFF to anything programs out there for the IBM?
> Our scanner works into TIFF, and I can view it on CSHOW 8.1, but
> all of my other programs read errors. Are there any basic Tiff to
> JPEG, GIF, PCX, BMP, etc...?
Try WinJPEG on oak.oakland.edu:pub/msdos/windows3/winjp210.zip
It has more TIFF support than graphics workshop. It also converts to
all the above formats...
ken
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
->
-> Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks
-> associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens
-> are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function
-> of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of
-> the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish
-> to know more. Thanks.
I've read mixed opinions on this. Singed meat can contain
carcinogens, but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal, you're
probably not at much risk. I think I will live life on the edge and
grill my food.
I've also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can
put some unwanted toxins in your food, or at least unwanted odor.
I've been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters,
and it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid. Several
people have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney,
basically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side. I've been
meaning to get one of these, but one hasn't presented itself while
I've been out shopping. You can make one from a coffee can, but I buy
my coffee as whole beans in a bag, so I haven't had a big enough can
laying around.
--
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j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
| 13sci.med |
In article <HM.93Apr24130607@angell.cs.brown.edu> hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:
>Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First
>of all, the village housed many *armed* troops.
Nobody ever produced the meagerest evidence for this. It does not
appear in several long published accounts by Irgun participants.
Even some Irgun propagandists do not make this claim.
>Secondly, the Irgun
>and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians.
Several members of the Irgun attacking party, including the leader,
deposited personal declarations in the Irgun archives (Jabotinsky
Institute, Tel-Aviv) which state that the Lehi proposed to "liquidate
the village after the conquest". It seems the Begin overruled
this plan, however the willingness of many of the attackers to
seriously consider this possibility serves as instructive
character evidence.
>The village was attacked only for its military significance.
The Haganah tried to get the Irgun to attack a village with
real military significance, but it was considered too hard.
The soft target of Deir Yassin was chosen instead.
>In fact,
>a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before
>the attack was to begin.
There was intention (probably originating with Begin) to give such
a warning but the loudspeaker truck got stuck in a ditch before
reaching the village. Everyone knows that.
>By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre.
By all rational standards, you should be posting from b-cpu.
>The killing
>was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops.
>Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not
>attacked with intentions of killing any civilians.
A lie repeated is still a lie.
>To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the
>Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The
>village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived.
>
>Harry.
Brendan.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <C5tDnA.7B3@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>
>You realise of course that all this is purely in the interests of allowing
>the US citizen to drive arround in a 6 litre car doing single digit
>miles to the gallon? Were the US to act responsibly they cvould be
>self sufficient in oil.
Why do you have to spoil an intricate tapestry of falsehood with a
bald-faced lie?
--
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Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <pww-180493195323@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu
>(Peter Walker) writes:
>>And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation.
>
> I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters.
Kevin, of course, is intellectually a voluntarily chaste virgin.
mathew
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1993Apr5.153951.25005@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) writes:
>arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:
>>Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with
>>a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me.
>>
>>Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been
>>corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand. (My apologies to a few
>>exceptions I can think of.)
>>
>>News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so
>>her "opposition" out of her concern for image (she's even said this
>>publicly) may not matter.
>
>Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did?
There is a (likely) veto proof majority in the house. The Senate,
unfortunately, is a different story. The Lt.Gov. has vowed that the bill will
not be voted on, and he has the power to do it. In addition, the Senate is a
much smaller, and more readily manipulated body.
On ther other hand, the semi-automatic ban will likely not live, as at least
fifty per cent of the house currently opposes it, and it is VERY far down in
the bill order in the Senate (I believe it will be addressed after the CCW
bill).
And I thought my TX Political Science class was a waste of time!
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
In rec.autos Jay Lorenzana <U40348@uicvm.uic.edu> wrote:
>
>Dear Netters:
>
>I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD.
I would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was
maintained. I own a turbocharged one, and I would never buy a
turbocharged vehicle unless I knew the owner and his/her
driving/maintenance habits.
>Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the
>April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid!
I have been wondering about that myself. The '90 AWD models and the
'91s were identical (except for the ABS option).
>In particular, the manual transmission,
Yes. Some owners had problems with the transaxles. Using
synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most
cases. The problem was not unique to the AWDs, however. It was
common to all models. The Galant VR4 and GSX had the same transaxle,
but I didn't see those listed in CR.
>electrical system,
I don't know of any major complaints in this area, except that the
battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating.
>and brakes were below par (in both models).
The first FWD models (those built before May 1989) were recalled for
brake upgrades. Some FWD and AWD owners had problems with warped
rotors. Those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every
time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem.
>A friend of mine
>ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads),
I can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one
day! It all depends on how you drive. It seems that most owners have
been getting between 40-70k on a set of pads.
>one stuck valve,
First time I hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars,
other than timing belt failures.
>and some clutch/transmission problem, something
>about sticking/grinding into second gear. This doesn't seem
>too bad if one "beats" on his car.
If your friend "beats" on the car, then his unit is not a
representative sample of the car's reliability.
My suggestion is instead of listening to the useless Consumer Reports,
talk to several owners (the mailing list may be the best way to reach
a few of them).
>I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks. Seems
>you have to pay big buck if you want all three. Anyway can
>anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any
>problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it.
#if (humor_impaired) skip_to TheEnd
No matter how much you pay, you won't get all three. Examples:
NSX: reliability and looks.
Ferrari: reliability ^H^H^H^H^H^H (yeah, right!) speed and looks
TheEnd
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <1r1d2r$baf@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor) writes:
>>1. System Install
>>2. Kodak Photo CD sampler
>>3. Alice to Ocean
>>4. CDROM Titles
>>5. Application Demos
>>6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet
>>7. Nautilus
>>8. Apple Chronicles
>>
>>I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM.
My CD300 (external, just arrived) has 2-8 plus Cinderella & Game Demo.
>>Derek
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <C5JI92.KFu@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes:
>Andy Freeman writes:
>>Joe Doll writes:
>)>> "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
>)>> tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for
>)>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien-
>)>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control,
>)>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation.
>
>)>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal)
>)>> mailing address.
>>
>>Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a
>>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.
>
>I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this.
>It does have tons of qool stuff in it.
That's one. Any others?
>My impression is that they try not to send it out to "browsers".
Then they should have used a different advert.
>It appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to
>waste a catalog on you.
I'm both. I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing
decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months
alone. (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to
suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.)
More is in the pipeline right now.
If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the
way to do it.
>When you get a catalog there's a "VIP Code" you
And who issues that "VIP Code"? (That policy implementation in the
running for this week's "silly twit" award.) BTW - It turns out that
I have several VIP codes. Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of
things: "6". (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch
with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....)
-andy
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| 6misc.forsale |
Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone (703)552-4381
USMail Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
COMPUTER EQUIP:
1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)
1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)
1 Macintosh computer
1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used)
1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)
1 101 key-AT keyboard
1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive
1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series
1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET
1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL
1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)
1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386
1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive
2 17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital
NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:
1 drum set
mult. amps for a band
1 TV - 27" or bigger, stereo
1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo
1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
capability
1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please
1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints
| 6misc.forsale |
It sounds like a MAGNAVOX with a sick flyback on its way out!
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
dave@optimla.aimla.com (Dave Ziedman) writes:
: 3DO is still a concept.
: The software is what sells and what will determine its
: success.
Apparantly you dont keep up on the news. 3DO was shown
at CES to developers and others at private showings. Over
300 software licensees currently developing software for it.
I would say that it is a *LOT* more than just a concept.
| 1comp.graphics |
> >In article <Apr10.173326.36632@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
> >df432795@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Daniel Philip Fagan) wrote: >> >> Does
> anybody know the difference between the Quarda 900 and Quadra 950?
> >Quarda 900 is a popular misspelling of Quadra 900, which has a 25 MHz
> 040 >processor. The 950 has a 33 MHz 040, and some local buses on the
> >motherboard run faster. The video is different also. The 950 can run a
> 13" and I believe a 16" monitor in 16 bit color without a VRAM upgrade.
>
Besides the faster processor, the 950 has SCSI 2, and as far as I know, faster
I/O due to separate processors handling those functions. The 950 can output 16
bit video to a 16" monitor with 1 meg of VRAM and 24 bit with 2 meg.
hope this helps
anand
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Well, as long as folks are sharing their esteemed wisdom, Li'l Karnak sez:
AL West AL East NL West NL East
1) Chicago 1) Toronto 1) Atlanta 1) St. Louis
2) Texas 2) New York 2) Cincinnati 2) Montreal
3) Minnesota 3) Baltimore 3) Houston 3) New York
4) Oakland 4) Boston 4) Los Angeles 4) Philadelphia
5) Seattle 5) Detroit 5) San Diego 5) Pittsburgh
6) Kansas City 6) Milwaukee 6) San Fran. 6) Chicago
7) California 7) Cleveland 7) Colorado 7) Florida
Details to follow later. Pick it apart as you like.
Also, if anyone is still taking entries for prediction pools/contests,
could you snag mine and add it to the list? Thanks.
I'm just glad it's opening day; makes up a little bit for the gloom/doom
weather patterns here.
Lundy,
--
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kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In <dlphknob.734986640@camelot> dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu writes:
> In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:
>
> >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior
> >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-
> >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought
> >that Catholics behaved better than this.
> > Please do not stoop to the
> >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think
> >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,
> >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.
>
> (Pleading mode on)
>
> Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop
> making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't
> believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a "creation scientist"! I
> don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails!
>
> If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling
> out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you
> compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern
> Baptists, you would think that they were different religions!
>
[Sarcasm on]
Be sure we pick on the "correct groups" here. "Bible thumpers",
"fundamentalists", and Southern Baptists *deserve* our hasty generalizations
and prejudicial statements. Just don't pick on the Presbyterians
and the Methodists!
[Sarcasm off]
> Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the
> same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals!
>
> (Pleading mode off.)
>
> God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......
> --
> "Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq
> nyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er
> nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."
> --Yvan Jregzhyyre
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research
> dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu
| 19talk.religion.misc |
These are MY last words on the subject
From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) writes:
> As a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are
> too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!!
Some people think it enhances the flavor. I personally don't think it
helps the taste, it makes me sick, so I try to avoid it.
> From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any
> controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far
> as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is
> not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently
> ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe
> that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely.
Well, I know that MSG effects ME adversely - maybe not permanently but
at least temporarily enough that I like to try to avoid the stuff.
> From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) Writes:
> If you don't like additives, then for godsake,
> get off the net and learn to cook from scratch. Sheesh.
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can't people learn to cook from scratch *ON* the net. I've gotten
LOTS of recipes off the net that don't use additives.
If you LIKE additives then get off the net and go to your local
supermarket, buy lots of packaged foods, and YOU get OFF THE NET!!
> >IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD
> >OR THE FOOD IS POOR QUALITY?
>
> Yes, and YOU buy it. Says something about your taste, eh?
I don't!!
>
> And what happens when the companies forced to submit to your silly notions
> go out of business because nobody wants to buy their overpriced bad food?
> (Removing preservatives directly raises food costs by reducing shelf life.)
HEY - I'll pay *MY* hard earned dollars to buy food that costs more
but does NOT have preservatives. I choose to speak with my pocketbook
in many ways.
> From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle)
> You have a good point. MSG is commonly used in soups, in bottled
> sauces, in seasoning mixtures, and in the coating on barbecue potato
> chips.
Nacho cheese Doritos, breading for MANY frozen fried foods (like fish
and chicken), etc. ad naseum.
> If MSG is really the problem, we should call this "barbecue potato
> chip syndrome" or maybe "diner syndrome."
Or the "and other natural flavorings syndrome." It's been a few years
since I've bought anything labelled with "and other natural
flavorings".
> From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle)
> >THE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD
> >THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE
> >SAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!!
>
> How do you know this?
>
> In order to demonstrate your claim, you would have had to supervise the
> preparation on both occasions. Perhaps they used MSG both times, and lied
> about it. Perhaps once they used something that had begun to spoil, and
> produced some bizarre toxin that you're allergic to.
Well, I had had similar reactions many times. That was when I really
started WATCHING CAREFULLY - reaction to Doritos - hey guess what's in
there - reaction to Lawry's season salt - guess what's in THERE
I'll give you a hint - I've had enough problems with MANY MANY MANY
different products with MSG that I figured out one thing.
UNLESS I plan on getting sick - I won't eat the stuff without my
Seldane. And did I ever learn to read labels.
> PLEASE note that I am NOT saying you are making it up, I am just
> trying to point out that the situation is not always as simple as it
> might seem.
Which was why I started checking EVERY time I got sick. And EVERY
time I got sick MSG was somehow involved in one of the food products.
And consider there were no other similar ingredients (to my knowledge)
- it might not please a medical researcher - but it pleased my own
personal physician enough for him to give me allergy medicine and MOST
IMPORTANTLY it's enough proof for ME to avoid it (and enough proof
that my INCREDIBLY frugal fiance didn't flinch when I literally threw
out or gave away all the food products in his pantry that had msg -
and he always flinches when there's waste - but it was a simple
explanation - I won't eat this stuff, I WON'T cook with this stuff, so
I can either throw it out or give it away.)
> From: pattee@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Donna Pattee)
> My guess was that the spice mix on the fries contained MSG,
Probably Lawry's seasoning salt. I LOVE the way that tastes.
I'm not saying I NEVER consume ANYTHING with MSG. I've noticed that I
have a certain tolerance level - like a (small) bag of bbq chips once
a month or so it not a problem - but that same bag of chips will
bother me if I also had chicken bouillon yesterday and lunch at one of
the Chinese restaurants the day before.
> From: kelley@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Catherine L. Kelley)
> >
> All that's needed now is that final step, a double-blind study done
> on humans. There isn't even an ethical question about "possible
> harm", as this is a widely used and approved food additive.
But - some say that only 2% of the population has a problem with MSG -
some say it's more like 20% - but let's say that it's 5%. How many
people would have to be tested that would have a problem? Also - I
KNOW I have a problem with it, and I wouldn't VOLUNTEER for a test.
Like thanks guys but I don't WANT to get sick. Also - I'm sure that
most people probably have varying degrees of sensitivities at
different times. If I have a cold I'm MUCH more susceptible to the
reaction than when I'm healthy (as proven today - when I'm stuffy but
for some silly reason I still gave in and decided to have the BBQ
chips ;}).
> From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle)
> Because too many of you (generic rhetorical 'you,' not 'you Cathy') go
> around calling this "Chinese restaurant syndrome," thus suggesting to the
> people you complain to that you experience this ONLY from Chinese food.
> MSG is prevalent in a LOT more things than Chinese food--thats why I
> suggested calling this "Diner syndrome."
Cathy doesn't - I haven't saved all my postings but I NEVER called it
"chinese restaurant syndrome" and I NEVER stated I got it only from
Chinese food. I just thought it would be easiest to conduct my
personal test at a Chinese take out place that I knew would hold (or
not hold) the MSG. I can't call up whoever makes Doritos and ask them
to make me ONE back of chips without MSG.
> On the other hand, if one complains about potatoes from a mix, or
> restaurant spice mixes, I'm going to believe them, and if anyone says they
> got (MSG-)sick after eating too many barbecue potato chips at a party, I'm
> REALLY going to believe them.
Well, I believe I mentioned that in an earlier post
Let's see you wrote this message at
Date: 20 Apr 1993 00:09:31 -0500
but on
Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:33:18 GMT
I wrote:
> >Has anyone had an MSG reaction from something *other than* a
> >Chinese restaurant?
> LOTS of times - that's why it was so hard for me to pin down. I
> would probably have been EASIER if I'd only have the reaction in a
> certain type of restaurant but I've had the reaction in Chinese
> restaurants and Greek restaurants and Italian restaurants and Steak
> places (I can tell you when a steak joint uses Accent to tenderize
> their meat).
OH - and just in case anyone thinks I'm prejudice against either
Chinese food or Asian people - I'm not going home to cook some Chinese
food for the guy I'm marrying next week. Incidentally, his last name
is Wu.
SO STOP IT WITH THE FLAME MAIL
--
Why does a woman work ten years to change a man's habits and then
complain that he's not the man she married?
-- Barbra Streisand
Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
| 13sci.med |
In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
> >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto
> >rags last month?
>
>
> Yeah. I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't
> seem to make it any quieter at all <!!>
Didn't you read the instructions first??
You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be
distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you.
That's why it's called "Chain *Wax*".
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
I'm a mac user who wants to use some of the rayshade models I've built
using macrayshade (rayshade-M) with Stratavision 3d. Since Stratavision
can import many different model files I thought this would be a cinch...
but I haven't been able to find a simple translator that will work on the
mac. Any ideas?
Stratavision 3d should be able to import:
DXF
MiniCAD
Super 3d
Swivel 3d professional
out of the box and:
RIB
IGS
with externals.
Also, if anyone knows of any other translator externals available for
Stratavision 3d (esp. Rayshade!) please e-mail me!
BTW, I'm going to send mail to the rayshade usrs mailing list tomorrow (I
misplaced the address) but since most users of rayshade do not seem to
operate with macs, I'm not getting my hopes up...
thanks in advance,
--patrick. hurh@fnal.fnal.gov
| 1comp.graphics |
In article 735230663@fbihh, bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes:
>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>> dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the
>> effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading
>> between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one
>> respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and
>> local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally.
>
>Instead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK,
>if that's way too difficult to you, here are some hints.
>
>Indeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on
>the local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie
>that your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will
>do? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some
>"facilitations"? Of course, you won't want to wait until they get the
>approval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation
>between two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child
>molesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So,
>there should be some way for them to get access to those keys
>-quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and
>worry about a warrant later...
I perhaps should have been clearer and more concise in my post, but that's
what I get from posting at 1 am...
The central point I made is that local/state police agencies attempting to
play by the rules and get warrants, legit escrowed keys, etc., may find
themselves at the mercy of bureaucratic inertia and agency infighting
at the federal level.
I disagree that this would assist civil liberties by hobbling the cowboy
cops. It would be a strong incentive, as Vesselin points out, for more
police agencies to "go rogue" and try to get keys through more efficient
(but less Constitutional) means. Notice what the release said:
Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on
a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation
encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to
decipher the message?
A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a
^^^^^^^^^^
court order, to do the wiretap in the first place.
^^^^^^^^^^^
The clear implication is that there are "legal" authorizations other
than a court order. Just how leaky are these? (And who
knows what's in those 7 pages that authorized the NSA?). There
may well arise a black market of sorts _within_ police agencies, in which
keys are traded. Furthermore, the police will be in an excellent
position to carry out this kind of thing without being caught. They
already have a communication infrastructure with secure portions. There
are a few laws that I know of, that limit citizens' rights to access
police communications (or use the information they get). It may be
very difficult to prove police misuse -- the fact that you have such
evidence may itself be evidence that YOU have broken some other law.
Throw in private detectives, who have even fewer policy/constitutional
restrictions. Also consider mercenaries who've "retired" from intelligence
agencies. William Gibson must be loving it. Great story material.
Don't think it'll happen?
Well, consider e.g. the Michigan State Police, generally a very professional
organization, which for years kept "Red Files" on thousands of suspected
commies, knowing full well it was not consititutional. The standards
of evidence were just about zero: people were in the file because they
happened to park near a place where, say, a US-China People's Friendship
rally was happening -- the police went around writing down license
plate numbers. If you happened to be visiting a friend who lived near the
meeting place, well, the state police wound up filing you as a subversive.
(They were eventually found out and a court ruled against carrying on any
more such nonsense. I believe thay may have had to destroy the tapes
as well.)
Even with well-meaning cops (and I'm sure there are many), there will
be strong pressure to bend the constitutional safeguards. We don't need
to assume corrupt or unbalanced officers -- it will all be in the interest
of enforcing sensible laws, saving lives, and protecting property.
Compromises will be made by well-meaning officers, facing what (to them)
will be a moral dilemma.
Clipper will make criminals out of cops. Do we want to do this to our
police forces?
+========================================================================+
| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu |
| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu |
| |
| "Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six" |
+========================================================================+
| 11sci.crypt |
Hi.
I'm wonderring if it is possible to replace a single module, as XKeybind.o
in a shared library, as libX11.so in Suns OpenWindows. I tried to RTFM, but
I didn't get any wiser that way. Also, can I do the same on an RS6000 machine
running 3.2.2 (if it is possible at all). I know how to do it with real
libraries (ar). I am trying to replace XLookupString in the delivered
libraries, with another that does a few special things.
/Per
--
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Per Andersson - ppan@celsiustech.se (perand@stacken.kth.se on free time)
Managing networks ( and occasionally SUNs) at, but not speaking for:
CelsiusTech AB, J{rf{lla, Sweden
| 5comp.windows.x |
>Ok, I'm being driven batty.
>Trying to create popup-menus (ie. button3 press, and a menu
>appears). I would really like to use the standard Athena
>classes to achieve this goal, but for my best attempts
>I cannot get the menus to come up without using a MenuButton
>as the parent of the widget tree. I know this should be
>possible to to with an XtPopupSpringLoaded() and a
>little twiddling, but something is escaping me.
Read the documentation for the SimpleMenu (4.2.3 Positioning the SimpleMenu).
The reference is to the R5 documentation.
I had not done this before but in less than 10 mins I knocked up the following
Wcl application that does what you want using a Command widget. Even if you are
not familiar with Wcl the example is so simple it should be pretty obvious what
is going on. The crucial thing is the use of the XawPositionSimpleMenu and
MenuPopup actions.
Ari.wcChildren: app
*app.wcCreate: Command
*app.wcPopups: menu
*app.translations: #override \n\
<Btn3Down>: XawPositionSimpleMenu(menu) MenuPopup(menu)
*menu.wcCreate: SimpleMenu
*menu.wcChildren: one, two, three
*one.wcCreate: SmeBSB
*two.wcCreate: SmeBSB
*three.wcCreate: SmeBSB
Jim
---
J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk
Department of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Tel: +44 91 222 8238
Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, United Kingdom. Fax: +44 91 222 8232
| 5comp.windows.x |
> i need some brief information on scientology (or applientology as frank zappa
> would call it) anyone have the time to send me some info on ol' l.ron and the b
> asics of what scientology is all about would be appreciated---p.s.i am not inte
> rested in any propaganda
I've taken the liberty of passing your name and address to your local org
(Scientology office). They'll be contacting you in a few days. I also
threw in a small contribution, so they'd know you're serious. :-)
| 19talk.religion.misc |
From another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things
Cardinal fan:
In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:
>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.
>
He's not the greatest - this is true.
>
>For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,
>
I saw it.
>
>With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed
>hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.
>
Lankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he
could pinch hit if they needed him to.
>
>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts
>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis
>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell
>is he thinking.
>
I wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the
doubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that
he didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his
speed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely
confused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that
particular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea?
>
>Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented
>how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a
>regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said
>he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year,
>what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every
>team in the league.
>
Well, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing
but it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play
Jordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand.
>
>Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate,
>The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line
>and waving lankford home,
>
Yup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm
going to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's
got Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter -
coming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign
in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands.
It's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin
was there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book.
BTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third
and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the
replay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a
serious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year
and I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching.
>
>I can't take this anymore
>
Well, I'm still hanging in there.
GO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!!
>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan.
>--
>
>Brian Landmann
>Georgia Institute of Technology
>Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu
Dick Detweiler
rdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1qve4kINNpas@sal-sun121.usc.edu> schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) writes:
>|> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation
>|> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.
>Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the
>feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY!
Depends. If you assume the existance of a working SSTO like DC, on billion
$$ would be enough to put about a quarter million pounds of stuff on the
moon. If some of that mass went to send equipment to make LOX for the
transfer vehicle, you could send a lot more. Either way, its a lot
more than needed.
This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is
enough to do it if the vehicle exists.
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Lady Astor: "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!" |
| W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it." |
+----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
| 14sci.space |
I've had cold sores in the past. But they have always been in the
corner of my mouth. Recently, I've had what appears to be
a cold sore, but on my lower lip in the middle (above the chin).
Can cold sores appear anywhere around the mouth (or body)?
Is there a medical term for cold sore?
--
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)
From the beautiful and historic New York State Mid-Hudson Valley.
| 13sci.med |
In article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:
> MVP Biggest Biggest
> Suprise Disappointment
>Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey
I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise. They
did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't
think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his
rookie year. His speed, skating ability, and puck control is
exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings.
Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
GO KINGS!
--
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Please Help if you can. Whenever I try to run windows useing the 16
million color mode with the drivers supplyed with my Diamond Stelth 24x
It will lock up requireing a full system reset to break out. The drivers
that I have for windows are V.1.00 for windows 3.1 (which IS the version
of windows I am useing)
My Setup
---------
386DX40 128KCach
4 Megs of ram
14" SVGA touch Monitor non-interlaced
AMI Bios
Any and all help would be apreciated, The card seems to work fine in other
modes, I usually run windows in 800x600 mode and probs at all, so I am
hopeing it is a driver and not a card problem.
Paul Gubbins
cpt@tiamat.umd.umich.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <23712@acorn.co.uk> I wrote:
>I am trying to capture some 256-colour screenshots from Windows. Currently
>I have tried pressing 'Print screen' to copy the screen to the clipboard
>then paste the clipboard into the Windows paint package.
Many thanks for the replies I received to this. A couple of people
suggested how I could get the paint package to work properly, but in the
end I took the advice of someone else to try Paintshop Pro from
cica.indiana.edu.
Thanks again.
--Philip
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Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Blue-Knight@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:
> .DXF can not be changed over to .IFF format what it can be changed
>to is an object format used by one of the 3D programs on the Amiga. The
>only tools around are comercial for that conversion.
Actually, IFF is a *format standard*. It is not a picture file format, sound
file format, but there exist several formats that use the IFF standard. The
IFF picture standard used by mostly everybody is a FORM ILBM (or just ILBM).
The only 3D IFF specification I know of is TDDD, which is used by Imagine and
it's predecessor, Turbo Silver. It is possible that some of the other Amiga
packages use another *IFF* spec, but I don't know of any. Lightwave will load
TDDD FORM's I believe.
--
Christopher B. Fury | This space for rent.
cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu | Call 1-900-QUOTEME for more information.
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <kingoz.735066879@camelot>, kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:
>
> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning
> it was. Are they still, officially?
> If so, why? and how did they receive this label?
>
> Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why?
> Well, my guess is because America loves underdogs. Every year, no matter
> the Cubs' talent or the predictions, they never (as close to never as
> possible) win anything. Over the years, as the losing has mounted, America
> has fallen in love with these perennial losers. The Cubs have more fans
> in Chicago then some teams do worldwide. The Cubs have more fans
> worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined.
> An aura of excitement surrounds the Cubs at the beginning of the season
> like no one else. (including the WS champs) It must be that Eternal Hope.
> "this is the year. they've got the talent. they're off to a good start.
> they've got the pitching (or hitting, or whatever their strong point is
> at the time)." It's that inevitability that the Cubs WILL eventually
> win the WS again. When? Only God knows. Since it's been so long, it
> could come at any time, or it could be another 85 years. But until they
> do finally win, and start winning consistently, The Cubs will remain
> America's Lovable Underdogs. The Cubs are...AMERICA'S TEAM.
> Orin.
> Bradley U>
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really a jester in disguise!
You are absolutely correct. Braves fans are nothing but a bunch of
bandwagoners. Correct me if I am wrong, but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give
away a ticket to see the Braves play.I would bet my next paycheck that 80% of
the so-called Braves fans living outside of Georgia at the present time can not
name more than 3 players from their 1988 season. On the other hand, ask any
Cubs fan living anywhere in the United States to name 3 players from any given
year and 80% of them probably could.
Granted, the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park, but
that does not mean they diserve the title "America's Team"
The only reason they are considered America's team is because of Ted
Turner and his little TV station which broadcasts across the nation.
I'll consider Toronto AMerica's team before the Braves
GO REDS!
--
Chris Babbitt
00CGBABBITT@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
"All I want in life is a woman to love, and a woman to care for my kids.
Hopefully the two will never meet."
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip
or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons --
mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information
on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right'
way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let
me know?)
I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post,
but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..
thanx everyone! <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
| 12sci.electronics |
In the following report: _Turkey Eyes Regional Role_ ANKARA, Turkey (AP)
April 27, 1993, we find in the last paragraph:
[Turanist] Although Premier Suleyman Demirel criticized Ozal's often
[Turanist] brash calls for more Turkish influence, he also has spoken
[Turanist] of a swath of Turkic peoples "stretching from the Adriatic
[Turanist] Sea to the Great Wall of China."
Who does Demirel think he is fooling? It seems at both ends of his envisioned
pan-Turkic Empire -- the Balkans and the Caucasus -- Turkey's fascist boasts
are being pre-empted.
I would suggest Turkey let the world feel some of their "Grey Wolf Teeth", and
attempt to stretch from the Adriatic to China! Turkey will have cried "wolf"
just once too much!
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>,
ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> hello there
|> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> comment on its handling .
I remember a commercial for some cheap, top-
heavy import cage a while back, where the
driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake
TV anouncers smile:
"It Really goes Straight!"
It fits.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) said:
Mike> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
Me> The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
Me> the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
Mike> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
Mike> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
Mike> to swerve?
Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
technique which was absent. We have made a lot of progress between
rider education and responsibility over the last ten-twenty years...
but I am still amazed anytime I teach an ERC how many people of many
year riding experience "discover" countersteering for cornering or
swerving.
Mike> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
Mike> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally
Mike> preferable?
The specific recommandation cited in the Hurt study was that a formal
"street strategy", like SIPDE for example, was the most important
component of any rider education curriculum. The specific skills of
emergency braking, cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced
as well, but more significant was that 35% of rider did NOTHING
confronted with a potential accident, and another third collided or
fell over as a result of rider error. The choice of specific maneuver
is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and
the proper execution of ANY effective countermeasure.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu> MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ. "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
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In a previous article, sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda) says:
>
>I've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the
>net for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit...
>
>The Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL
>team since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?)
>
>They will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure. I can't
>believe these media fools picking them to win the division (like our
>Tom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of
>genius for the trades/aquisitions he's made)
Would you say the same thing about the Dodgers in '65 or '66? True,
Cone is probably as good as Drysdale, and they have no Koufax, but still,
these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals, with
lots of low-scoring games, etc. And they didn't use relievers, whereas
Jeff Montgomery is having a super season for them.
That being said, I still picked them 5th or so, but I think a superb
pitching team can win if they have enough hitting. There's more of a
chance of that, I think, than of a team with tremendous hitting but no
pitching. At least, to me.
I wonder, though - which one do you people think would do better - a team
with Johnson, Koufax in his prime, Seaver, Carlton, and Young, in no real
order, as the starters, with Sutter, Fingers, and Lyle in the bullpen, but
with a puny offense (assuming good defense, like Mazeroski, Maranville, etc.)
Or a team with poor pitching, but with an offense of Cobb, Carew, Ruth, Gehrig,
Mays, Schmidt, Wagner, and Bench - again,you pick the order.
I would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by
seasons' end. Even the best hitters can succeed only 2/5 of the time in
their best years, but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts - taking all
the players in their prime, they might throw 50 shutouts in a year. And all
the offense would have to do is get 1 run across.
I wonder if someone with Stratomatic or something could plug such all-
time teams into a regular season, have it played, and report the results
I would love to see that.
--
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
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