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In article <KCKLUGE.93Apr27233027@krusty.eecs.umich.edu> kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.071859.9555@csus.edu> sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) writes:
> >encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the
> >privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield
> >criminals and terrorists. We need the "Clipper Chip" and other
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Just a random passing thought, but can anyone cite a documented use
> of encryption technology by criminals and terrorists.
> (Excluding the Iran-Contra Gang)
>
>Sure, the rum-runners in Prohibition. See Kahn's _The Codebreakers_.
>The irony was, they were using better codes and key security than
>most governments were.
Yes -- great chapter. Elizabeth Friedman (sp?) comes shining through.
However, the chapter also notes that these rum runners invented their own
crypto -- hired ex-military folks, in fact. (How's that for a revolving
door?)
Now, given that today's rum runners (coke runners, actually) have even more
money than yesterday's, it's reasonable to expect them to have even better
cryptography. I doubt they have a chip foundry of their own yet, but ....
So, my question of the FBI/NIST/NSA is: "How are you going to make the rum
runners use the Clipper Chip?"
Answer: you're not.
Question: OK -- in that case, your justification for taking away our
rights has evaporated. How do you justify our loss of rights
if you can't use the drug dealers and terrorists?
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| 11sci.crypt |
In article <lth2onINN3r0@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>For a reasonable sum, you can get a BMW with traction control:
>a torque-sensing (limited slip) rear differential.
"traction control" as far as the optional feature that one buys with
cars is not the same thing at all as a torque sensing differential.
a torque sensing differential is a type of LSD, but not all LSD's
are torque sensing. viscous coupled differentials (as opposed to
viscous couplings) are rotational sensing, not torque sensing.
for that matter, so are "traction control" systems that use ABS
sensors and pulse braking.
then there are the older posi-tracs and whatever which i am not
familiar with the workings.
eliot
| 7rec.autos |
Hello,
I just recently bought a NEC 6FG. In order to get the highest possible quality
and refresh rates, I'd like to know if there are any accelerator cards with
BNC connectors (as opposed to the usual d-sub connector)?
Thanks for any information,
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In article <1r8vg9$rl5@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:
>># >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
>
>for heating purposes because of the weather in Texas. Everyone now claims
>that it was for cooking. Stop and think about this.
This whole thread is rediculous. Who cares if they had a stove going
or not. Does it matter if they had a stove burning, or lanterns
burning, or candles burning, or someone smoking, etc, etc, etc. The
premise is that the FBI was filling the house with napalm so that it
would catch fire. This is crazy. FBI was NOT PUMPING NAPALM into the
Davidians home. You will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to
convince me of that.
I can believe mass suicide/murder by Koresh. I can believe an
accident by the Davidians. I can believe an accident by the FBI. I
can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but I can not believe
that the FBI lit this fire intentionally. No way.
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
> In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ana
> Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover
> *was* last month :-)
^^^^^^^^^^
Josh, were you in such a hurry? WE celebrated Pesach THIS month, but only
with Xtian blood! Muslim blood hasn't been declared "Kosher le Pesach" by
our Hechscher (not yet) :-) :-)
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
In article <BUZZ.93Apr19125438@lion.bear.com>, buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes:
|> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered)
How can we resist a questions that says something like this?
|> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window
|> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow "tickle" the
|> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable
|> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item.
|>
|> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior?
If your Expose event handler is truly intelligent about exposed
rectangle information, then you can use XClearArea to generate an
Expose event (assuming that your background pixel is not None) for the
enclosing rectangle of your new item.
This is still not great, since any other items contained within that
rectangle will still be unnecessarily redrawn.
If your Expose event handler simply redraws everything, you'll be
doing much more work than just drawing the new item "on top" of the
existing scene.
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Archive-name: space/mnemonics
Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:14 $
ASTRONOMICAL MNEMONICS (This is the last FAQ section posted to sci.astro)
Gathered from various flurries of mnemonic postings on sci.astro.
Spectral classification sequence: O B A F G K M R N S
Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me Right Now, Sweetheart. (a classic)
O'Dell's Big Astronomical Fiasco Gonna Kill Me Right Now Surely
Obese Balding Astronomy Found Guilty; Killed Many Reluctant
Nonscience Students.
Octopus Brains, A Favorite Gastronomical Kitchen Menu,
Requires No Sauce
Odd Ball Astronomers Find Generally Kooky Mnemonics
Really Nifty Stuff
Oh Big And Ferocious Gorilla, Kill My Roomate Next Saturday
Oh Boy, A Flash! Godzilla Kills Mothra! Really Not Surprising!
Oh Boy, An F Grade Kills Me
On Bad Afternoons Fermented Grapes Keep Mrs. Richard Nixon Smiling
On, Backward Astronomer, Forget Geocentricity; Kepler's Motions
Reveal Nature's Simplicity
Our Bad Astronomy Faculty Gets Killed Monday
Oven Baked Ants, Fried Gently, Kept Moist, Retain Natural Succulence
Overseas Broadcast: A Flash! Godzilla kills Mothra!
(Rodan Named Successor)
Overweight Boys and Fat Girls Keep Munching
Only Bored Astronomers Find Gratification Knowing Mnemonics
Oh Bloody Astronomy! F Grades Kill Me
Order of the planets:
Sun
Mercury
Venus
Earth (Terra)
Mars
(Asteroids)
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto
My Very Earnest Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas
Mother Very Thoughtfully Made A Jelly Sandwich Under No Protest
My Very Erotic Mate Joyfully Satisfies Unusual Needs Passionately
Men Very Easily Make Jugs Serve Useful Nocturnal Purposes
Man Very Early Made A Jug Serve Useful Noble Purposes
My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets
My Very Eager Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets
My Very Exhausted Mother hAs Just Swept Up a Planetary Nebula
Most Voters Earn Money Just Showing Up Near Polls
My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizza-pies
Many Viscious Elephants Made John, Suzy and Uncle Need Protection
Solar Mass Very Easily Makes All Jupiter's Satellites Undergo
Numerous Perturbations.
Mein Vater erklaert mir jeden Sonntag unsere niedlichen Planeten
(My Father explains to me every Sunday our nine planets)
Man verachte einen Menschen in seinem Unglueck nie -- Punkt
(Never scorn/despise a person in his misfortune/bad luck/misery
-- period!)
Colors of the spectrum: Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet
ROY G. BIV (pronounce as a man's name)
Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain
Read Out Your Good Book In Verse
Galilean Satellite of Jupiter: Io Europa Ganymede Callisto
I Expect God Cries
I Eat Green Cheese
I Embarrass Good Christians
Ich erschrecke all guten Christen
(I scare all good Christians)
Saturnian Satellites
MET DR THIP
Miriam's Enchiladas Taste Divine Recently. Tell Her I'm Proud.
(Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan, Hyperion,
Iapetus, Phoebe)
Uranian Satellites:
MAUTO
Mispronunciations Afflict Uranus Too Often
My Angel Uriel Takes Opium
(Miranda, Ariel, Umbriel, Titania, Oberon)
NOTE: the remaining FAQ sections do not appear in sci.astro, as they cover
material of relevance only to sci.space.
NEXT: FAQ #8/15 - Contacting NASA, ESA, and other space agencies/companies
| 14sci.space |
In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:
|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to
|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.
This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could
someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is?
Thanks, Alan
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NS>I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple
NS>to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month
NS>and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a
NS>good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it,
NS>but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal
NS>I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better
NS>deal?
I don't know of a better deal, but would you be willing to share your
deal with the rest of us. That certainly sounds like you're getting a
great deal. I'd be interested in that deal too.
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A Unix tool of cryptographic significance is available
for anonymous ftp.
"agrep 2.0.4" -- a fast approximate pattern-matching tool
source code project available from:
cs.arizona.edu
in directory "agrep"
agrep is a very fast fuzzy search tool with a tremendous
number of powerful search options. The one most obviously
applicable to cryptography (key selection) is to be able to
specify the "similarity" of matches in the data.
For example say you make up a password/phrase of "qimwe7l".
Of course you rightly suspect that this key itself is not
in any dictionary or word list. But how *close* is it to
en entry that could be varied by some "crack" program to
brute-force search for it?
You use agrep to find out. Looking with argument for none,
one or two errors, no matches. Good so far. But
agrep -3 "qimwe7l" bigwordandphraselist
finds that the pattern "qimwe7l" is too close to the
pattern "imsel" (part of "himself" and a host of others),
to be of any cryptographic value as a key.
An error of level two corresponds to a simple transposition of
letters like "teh" for "the". A minimally acceptable password
would have to pass as *least* level 3 in order not immediately
ruled-out as even a remote possibility of being a good password.
(In real cryptographic use, my personal passphrases clear at
*least* level 8 on my rather large [>80 meg] word and phrase lists.)
And for searching for key words in human-typed data (lots o'
typos) the tool is unexcelled. For example, For example,
say I want to find out what people think about Gibson's
SF book "Neuromancer" in the huge SF-Lover's archives.
Even with an error distance specification as small as
of "1" I will find all those people who think the title
was "Necromancer" or other common typos. Why miss anything?
Also, the program can look for up to 30,000 patterns IN PARALLEL
at Boyer-Moore (sublinear) speeds. Great for a NSA wannabe
to look for your name, terrorists names, special Tagalog or
religious words, etc. in the news or e-mail spool directories.
You can even search for ciphertext by using, say, 30,000
random three-byte combinations and eliminate all texts that
don't score the X chi-square 'birthday' hits on message size Y.
You think some crypto-terrorist is try to foil you by changing
the pattern on you? No problem. Try agrep -p NSA to find
NSA, National Security Agency, NSecAg, No Such Agency,
National Scrabble Association, N*S*A, etc.
You can also specify "fixed" areas: looking for license
plate XYZ123 when you know that the letters are correct,
you might say:
agrep -2 <XYZ>123 licenseplatedatabase
will find all plates starting with XYZ with up to two errors
(addition, substitution, deletion) in the number area. You can
also "weight" the relative "cost" for substiutions, additions,
or deletion errors. For example, when searching DNA patterns
for a particular protein combination, you might know that
some kinds of damage cause the "A" nucelotide to drop out more
than other errors... you could adjust for this bias by setting
-Dc where you set the "deletion cost" to count as "c" errors.
A steganographic use (I even used "agrep -2 "<steg>eograp" E"
just now to find the correct spelling!) would be to intentionally
introduce errors of a certain type and magnitude into a plaintext
and then later recover the orginal it via an agrep pipe. Lots of
possibilities here when only outlaws can have ciphertext...
Also with agrep's powerful extraction options it makes it easy
to abstract the "hits" into a useful form. For example,
agrep -d "^From" 'PGP;(passphrase|Zimmerman|NSA)'
says output the entire mail record, delimited by 'From'
that contains 'PGP' and contains either 'passphrase',
'Zimmerman', or 'NSA'.
And agrep has been measured an order-of-magnitude faster
than the second-best similarity tool publicly available.
As usual, I will be glad to e-mail the source and docs
to those who reqest them by e-mail IF they cannot do
an anonymous FTP.
Get this now.
It is too powerful to stay in the hands of the NSA.
Grady Ward, vendor to the NSA (and proud of it)
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| 11sci.crypt |
artmel@well.sf.ca.us (Arthur Melnick) writes:
> Ever since Craig Rowland posted his piece "New Encryption"
>to sci.crypt there has been some discussion of our company,
>Secured Communications Technologies, Inc, and on encryption
>algorithm, NEA.
The classic comment on new encryption algorithms comes from
Friedman:
"No new cypher is worth considering unless it comes
from someone who has already broken a very hard one."
Historically, Friedman has been right. It's really hard to develop
a good cypher. IBM's Lucifer, the precursor to DES, turns out to have
been fatally flawed. Most of the DES-like systems other than DES seem
to be vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis. The first two tries at
public key encryption (remember knapsack cyphers?) were broken. Most
if not all of the machine cyphers of the electromechanical era were
broken eventually. Attempts in the computer era to home-brew encryption
have been disappointing; the classic "A survey of data insecurity packages"
in Cryptologia contains analyses and breaking techniques for a few of the
popular "security packages" of the late 1980s.
A new, proprietary algorithm? No way.
If the US is permitting general export of this thing, it has
to be weak; that's how the current regulations work. Currently there's
a willingness to allow systems with short keys (32 bits appears to be
no problem; the 56 bits of DES are too many) or weak algorithms
(I think Word Perfect qualifies under that rule) to be exported.
I can't believe these guys shepherded their technique through the
PTO and the State Department's Arms Control Division without finding that out.
John Nagle
p.s. No, I'm not thrilled with Clipper either, but that's a different issue.
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <8968@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
}>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
}>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:
}>}>}(a) out of context;
}>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other "promises of god" that we keep
}>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK?
}>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither.
}>}
}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for
}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a
}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?
}>
}>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again?
}
}(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context
}(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article
} (call it A) that took a quote out of context
}(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the
} lack of X (a common creationist error)
}(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the
} conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A
Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other
than a direct assertion by his part. For instance, am I to assume that
you have no position on eating shit merely because you have not said
your position, or might a conclusion be made by observing that you do not.
}(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins
} "Could you please explain ..." was not a nonsequitur, but was intended
} to follow from the sentence that preceded it.
}Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it,
}explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7)
}may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say "yup."
Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not
demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently
logical).
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes:
> I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of
> files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users
> connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public
> key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the
> one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The
> result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it
> is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the
> machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed
> system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal
> private keys during the authentication sequence.
>
>Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated...
>
Just a question.
As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition
for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)
Friendly greetings,
Germano Caronni
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Space still contains infinite unknowns.
PGP-Key-ID:341027
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| 11sci.crypt |
eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder) writes:
>I came across the following notice in the Denver Post classified secctio
>this morning (April 26, 1993):
>\begin{quote}
>NOTICE:
>The Denver Post will no longer knowingly accept any advertisement to buy
>or sell assault weapons. The Denver Post finds that the use of assault
>weapons poses a threat to the health, safety, and security of its reader
.
>\end{quote}
>Now I suppose the Post is within its rights to refuse such ads. However
>the second sentence is so noxious, I feel compelled to bring it to the
>attention of the t.p.g/c.g readership.
>I called the Post classified number (825-2525) and expressed my displeas
re.
>According to the supervisor I spoke to, the Post was reacting to public
>complaints regarding the running of assult weapon ads. However, she sai
>the paper was keeping track of the reaction to the change in policy. I
>strongly encourage Denver Post readers to call and make their feelings k
own.
>Eric E. Snyder
>Department of MCD Biology ...making feet for childrens' sho
s.
>University of Colorado, Boulder
>Boulder, Colorado 80309-0347
Will do! I appreciate the thoughtfullness of the Post to not be an
intermediary for such sales. The "Right to bear arms" is one of the most
misapplied rights in our Constitution, and assault weapons go way beyond
what is, or rather should be (imho), a "natural" right in America. Just
ask the family of that boy shot back in September - the papers are full of
stories about a child with an assult weapon with a "angelic face" (Post)
who committed the murder without ever thinking.
This has all got to get under control. I applaud the Post for their bravery
Jim Trascapoulos * jtrascap@nyx.cs.du.edu * "So, what size id do YOU wear?"
| 16talk.politics.guns |
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| 6misc.forsale |
> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error
> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is
> heresy for the very reasons I gave above.
I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although
my preference would be to move the discussion to another
newsgroup. I feel a philosophy
or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply
embedded in the world view of Islam and the
esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter
into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric
religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical
substance of man's being and nature.
A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory
books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's "Fundamental's
of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe" - Mizan Press,
translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book
(if you can find a decent translation) is "Wilaya - The Station
of the Master" by the same author. I think it also goes under the
title of "Master and Mastership" - It's a very small book - really
just a transcription of a lecture by the author.
The introduction to the beautiful "Psalms of Islam" - translated
by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of
Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We
have these books in our University library - I imagine any well
stocked University library will have them.
From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You
should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable
Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the
charge of heresy is levelled.
As salaam a-laikum
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1ql8mdINN674@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether
>>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden
>>>by the US Constitution.
>>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by "cruel", which is why
>>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer
>>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the
>>word "cruel".
>
>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They
>picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked
>in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient?
We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers
consider cruel and unusual punishment?
Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very
painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine.
Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those
days ], etc.
All would be considered cruel under your definition.
All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers.
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| 0alt.atheism |
In <16BB58B33.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
>My Mag MX15F works fine....................
Mine was beautiful for a year and a half. Then it went <foomp>. I bought
a ViewSonic 6FS instead. Another great monitor, IMHO.
--
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"I gotta get me another hat."
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <2943640103.10.p00421@psilink.com> "Dennis G Parslow" <p00421@psilink.com> writes:
>>FROM: Dan Campbell <dan_c@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
>>In article <1993Apr11.025636.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>In article <Apr.10.09.33.33.1993.28038@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>>>> here's the hard working black players - none.
>>>> here's the lazy white players. - mcreynolds.
>>>Now that time has passed, what would the posts be like if Rickey were driving
>>>his boat drunk, killing himself and one of his teammates? What would people
>>>say if Bonds, drunk out of his skull, smashed his car into a tree disabling
>>>himself &, say, Willie McGee for the season? I can tell you. They would be
>>>considered spoiled, lazy (say it) niggers.
>> This awfully presumptious of you, to assume you can read our minds and
>>predict the future. What makes you so sure I would be thinking these things?
>>What makes you think that there's not a lot of people out there don't think
>>Crews is a god? Anyone who is dead because of a mistake deserves sympathy, be
>>it Crews, Olin, Bonds, McGee, Rickey, or you, or me.Why does it bother you so
>>much that two dead white men are getting a little sympathy? Would it make you
>>feel better if we only mourned dead black baseball players?
>To beat a dead horse, I seem to remember a fair amount of sympathy for
>some black fringe player named Roberto Clemente. And for Roy
>Campanella. And for Thurman Munson. And for just about anyone else
>who we may not even have liked as players, but mourned for dying too young.
Wiggins, Alan?
But that's besides the point. I'm sure people would feel slightly
sympathetic for Rickey if he were killed. But, they would also be
criticizing him a lot more for his actions.
Example?
How about Jose Canseco? He gets a couple of speeding tickets, and all
of the sudden his attitude is awful. What the hell do speeding tickets
have to do with clubhouse influence anyway? So why do sportswriters
talk about it all the time.
Or Brian Hunter and Keith Mitchell? Both of whom had DWI problems
towards the end of last year. (Two years ago?) It was cited as a sign
of their immaturity, etc.
Meanwhile, Dykstra almost killed both himself and Daulton, and I didn't
read any sportswriter complaining about that. They may have talked
about how bad it was for the Phillies, but I NEVER read anywhere
criticism of Dykstra's character (or Daulton's intelligence, for that
matter) based on this incident.
--
David M. Nieporent | "Only one thing wrong with theory...
niepornt@phoenix. | Is stupid! Is stupidest theory I ever heard!"
princeton.edu | ---------------------
Baltimore Orioles 93 | Who's the dangerous cult -- the BDs or the BATF?
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
We were at a dealership today looking at buying a car and
the salesman was showing us something he was calling a
"buy back". Is that a car that was fleeted and then
given back for the new model the next year? If that
is so, how many miles is a good number to have on it
and are these types of cars generally a good buy?
Thanks,
Ellen
| 7rec.autos |
ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) writes:
>I hesitate to make assumptions about other people when they write, but
>neither of you two *sound* as though you have kids, and you may not have
>spouses either.
I wonder why you say that? I don't see why having a spouse and/or
kids would have anything to do with it. It might if you brought
your kids to the game and wanted them to get home in time to get
to bed at a reasonable hour (in which case I'd probably decide
to take my kids to games on weekends, as many people do, or else
be prepared to leave the game early), but from what you say later
on, you don't bring your kids *or* your spouse to the game.
As it happens, I have a husband but no kids, and my husband usually
attends games with me.
>Extra innings could put me
>well past midnight. Even without extra innings, if the score is beyond
>2-1 I can't see my family that night at all. If the next day is a workday,
>I may have to bag that as well.
I can see it's a problem if you don't bring your wife to the ballgame,
but that's a problem even if the game goes a trim 2 1/2 hours. As far
as bagging work the next day, I don't really understand why that's
necessary, unless going to a game also means that you consume vast
quantities of beer (I note that this is the case for many guys).
If you don't think you can get up to go to work after a long evening
out, then don't have long evenings out during the week.
>All that stuff enters into my consideration of even going to a game. If
>you say you don't care about whether the game is sped up, IMPO you are
>saying you don't care where the time goes, and that the game is for people
>who don't have families and don't have to get up for work the next day.
Look: if I pay between $8.00 and $20.00 apiece for tickets, plus $10.00
for parking, plus spending my time and energy driving to and from Boston,
plus spending additional money on concessions etc. at the ballpark, then
I see going to a game as a considerable investment of time and money.
I can't afford to go to a lot of games. Hence, going to a game is a
big deal, like going to a play or an opera. Maybe you have more money than
I do and can go to games all year long, so it's not such a big deal for you.
But I'm not interested in having games "sped up", any more than I want to
have _Die Walkure_ cut down to a convenient "weeknight version" of two
hours. If I felt that going to a night game during the week would interfere
with my family life or my work life, then I'd choose to go to a weekend game.
IMPO.
Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought
Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct
the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily
(the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article
saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail.
Steve
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:
> This may be an FAQ (if so, please direct me to the known answer) but I
> am getting frustrated and looking for help.
> I am running Win 3.1 with NDW 2.2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a
> 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my
> applications are not giving back system resources when I close them.
> <many lines deleted>
> danny
>===========================================================================
>daniel david mittleman - danny@arizona.edu - (602) 621-2932
Danny...
While working on my shareware toolbar, I found myself 'eating' resources,
and a very wise person pointed me to the SDK, and specifically the debug
kernel. Once you have all the SDK stuff installed, (this also comes with
VC++), you run 'n2d' which does a 'normal-to-debug' swap. The debug kernel
runs C O N S I D E R A B L Y slower, but you then execute the command
DBWIN, and let it report to you what is going on. You are going to find
out a lot more about your Apps than you cared to, and possibly about other
peoples Apps (is that OPA?..I'm sorry).
If this doesn't make sense, repost, or e-mail me
dave
--
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Dave Campbell at WynApse | WynApse
wynapse@indirect.com | The Shareware Custom Control Source
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.
I am going, but only to watch.
--
When asked what would I most want to try before doing it,
I said Death.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
ericr@solbourne.com (Eric Robison) writes:
>I've got a Mac SE, I've got a spare 1.44mb floppy drive. I've seen SE's
ith
>a 1.44 floppy drive. Can I put my floppy drive into my SE and get it to
ork?
>If so, how?
>Thanks!
>Eric
>--
>| Eric Robison |Disclaimer: I claim dis.
>| ericr@Solbourne.com |
>| GET ME OFFA THIS &*^*&%&^# PLANET!!
Sure thing - You'll have to get an FDHD upgrade kit from Apple, which
includes a HD floppy drive, 2 different chips (the SWIM chip was mentioned
in another post) and a different floppy drive cable. Get the Apple kit
through your dealer.
** Jim Trascapoulos * jtrascap@nyx.du.edu * "What size ID do YOU wear?" **
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
It is appropriate to add what Himmler said other "inferior races"
and "human animals" in his speech at Posen and elsewhere:
From the speech of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, before SS
Major-Generals, Posen, October 4 1943
["Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression", Vol. IV, p. 559]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we
must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own
blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech,
does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer
in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping
their children and raising them with us. Whether nations live in
prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we
need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest
to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion
while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so far as
the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be rough
and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans,
who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude
towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these
human animals. But it is a crime against our own blood to worry
about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and
grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When someone
comes to me and says, "I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women
and children, it is inhuman, for it will kill them", then I
would have to say, "you are a murderer of your own blood because
if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die, and
they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood".
Extract from Himmler's address to party comrades, September 7 1940
["Trials of Wa Criminals", Vol. IV, p. 1140]
------------------------------------------------------------------
If any Pole has any sexual dealing with a German woman, and by this
I mean sexual intercourse, then the man will be hanged right in
front of his camp. Then the others will not do it. Besides,
provisions will be made that a sufficient number of Polish women
and girls will come along as well so that a necessity of this
kind is out of the question.
The women will be brought before the courts without mercy, and
where the facts are not sufficiently proved - such borderline
cases always happen - they will be sent to a concentration camp.
This we must do, unless these one million Poles and those
hundreds of thousands of workers of alien blood are to inflict
untold damage on the German blood. Philosophizing is of no avail
in this case. It would be better if we did not have them at all -
we all know that - but we need them.
-Danny Keren.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame
start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.
The meaning of my existence is a question I ask myself daily. I live
in fear of what will happen when I die.
I bet some of you are licking your lips now, because you think that
I'm a person on the edge of accepting jeezus.
I was raised in a religious atmosphere, and attended 13 years of
religious educational institutions.. I know the bible well. So well
I can recognize many passages from memory.
<<****Strong opinions start here...****>>
1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced
mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to
explain the unexplainable. (For example the ancient Greeks believed
that Apollo drove his chariot across the sky each day was real. Due
to the advancement of our technology, we know this to be false.
Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are
because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life
a safety blanked to hide behind. "Oh wow..all i have to do is
follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."
For all of you "found jeezus" , how many of you were "on the brink?"
but i digress... The other reason christianity flourishes is its
infectious nature. A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian
group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which
basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word.
We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we
die.
Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.
Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject
themselves with jeezus and live with that high.
It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious
wars, of which Christianity has had no small part.
When Christians see a "non-believer", they say that person is blind
to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live
with this mask of fakeness each day. Jesus was just prophet #37696
who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans
were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities
needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time
of dire need.
I must go. These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity.
--
//Damien Endemyr the Unpure Knight of Doom //
//"So I've acquired a taste for blood and have adopted a nocturnal //
//lifestyle. That Doesnt mean I'm a vampire....." //
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Before getting excited and implying that I am posting
fabrications, I would suggest the readers to consult the
newspaper in question.
Tahnks,
Elias
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>the "Environmental
>Billboard" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to
>804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area,
>deployed by the inflatable 'frame'.
> To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for
>maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry "ozone reading
>sensors" to "continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's
>delicate protective ozone layer," according to Mike Lawson, head of
>SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum
>exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's
>atmosphere. According to IMI, "as the biodegradable material burns,
>it will release ozone-building components that will literally
>replenish the ozone layer."
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^
Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry? Granted
it probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
| 14sci.space |
Hello again,
About a week and one-half ago I posted a query looking for people feelings
on the inkjet family of printers. Specifically, a comparison between the
Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500. Many people
asked me to post the summary/account of all the postings and e-mail I
received. Below is my original query and the responses I received. I have
not deleted any part of the responses, only the headers and signatures, so
you can extract what you find necessary. Some people asked me for an
unbiased account; however, the very nature of the question suggests
favoritism and biased comments, you must extract the information you
believe unbiased and a fair representation of each printer. There are a
wide range of comments, each has its own value.
There was no clear winner, some like the BJ200 (especially its
price/performance ratio), others preferred the durability and reliability
of the DeskJet (the original inkjet with proven drivers and a solid
background). Two new inkjet printers have drawn some attention, a new
printer to be introduced by Hewlett-Packard later this year (around
summertime), and an addition to the Epson product line (their first
inkjet). You will find that after the initial purchase, the costs of
re-filling or replacing the ink cartridges are about the same (this largely
depends on where you purchase the re-fills or replacements -- so shop
around first since this aspect will most likely dominate the cost of your
printer). No one mentioned approx. how many sheets each ink cartridge will
print, but I suspect they are roughly equal at about 1000 - 1500 sheets
(laser printers will do 4000-5000 sheets per toner cartridge). Well,
that's a brief research summary of my personal research. ENJOY!
===========================================================================
>Hello fellow 'netters.
>
>I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I
>should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I
>thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from
>relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest
>potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls
>better than any salesperson.
>
>Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360
>dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi).
>Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference,
>particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75
>pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated
>here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)?
>Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your
>personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable,
>both good and bad.
>
Well I bought the BJ 200 about a month ago at the start of their $50 rebate
program on that printer (it ends 5/31), and I bought it from Computer
Discount Warehouse because their price of $325 couldn't be beat anywhere I
looked, and I think it's a HOT printer. Just using regular copier paper
produced fantastic results just in high quality mode. I compared the
output of a Micrografx Designer legal size drawing with 4pt type done on my
BJ 200 with the same drawing printed on an HP Laserjet IID and I was amazed
how well I could read the small print on the BJ 200. Printing speed was
several seconds faster on the BJ 200 which is amazing considering that the
HP has 2.5M ram installed. I measured the time from when the printer first
indicated it was receiving data (as I used print manager in Windows).
I showed the output to several people at work and one manager bought one
immediately for his office, and two other engineers placed their orders
too. If you need CDW's phone number, it's 800-598-4239. Delivery to NY
was two days.
Good luck!
Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock, NJ
===========================================================================
I own a Deskjet 500. Performance isn't spectacular under Windows using
TrueType fonts but neither is the Canon from what I have seen. Quality for
the HP is very much dependent on paper quality - on 'standard' photo-copy
paper the characters have slightly 'frayed' edges but on better quality
'distinction' type paper things look better. For most applications I find
copy paper fine - still better than dot-matrix. Comes with a Windows
driver, which seems to by-pass print manager, has a few
'intelli-fonts'which are HP scaleable fonts - probably faster than TrueType
but haven't really tried them out. Can get RAM & FONT cartridges but unless
the speed of TrueType is a problem I wouldn't bother. The RAM cartridges
can't be used as buffer - soft fonts only.
For graphics, i.e. BMP images etc the HP can be put into a dither mode via
the HP supplied Win driver. There a number of dither options such as
'scatter', 'pattern' etc. The manual gives recommendations depending on
the type of image being printed. Text is not so good in this mode. Problem
arises when you have a document which contains both graphic and text. The
range of tones for graphic images isn't brilliant but I think that is more
of a limitation with inkjet printers in general.
>From what I have seen the Canon is similar in most respects.
However, a printer definitely worth looking at is the new inkjet from
Epson. This printer is faster, cheaper, and capable of producing
laser-like quality on normal copier paper. Can't remember the model #, LX
- something I think?
I purchased my HP days before the Epson was released here :-{. The
introductory price on the Epson was the same as the HP here in New Zealand.
===========================================================================
About a month ago, I got a Canon BJ200. I absolutely LOVE it. It is
incredibly fast, except for printing from PSPICE (I don't know if you ever
do stuff with that or not.) Most of the stuff I print is either from
Microsoft Word for Windows or just plain text. The only problems I've had
are printing headers/footers (the printer freaked out), and printing on
cheap paper (lots of streaks). Normal copy paper works great with it, you
can only tell it's not laser-printed by holding it, oh, less than twelve
inches from your face. (That is, if you're nearsighted, like me! :) ) The
printer comes with its own driver for Windows 3.1!! I have no other
complaints. The printer also can act just like some EPSON or another for
those archaic software packages that haven't written a driver for it yet.
The teeny-weeny footprint is a real plus, too--AND, if you purchase it
between now and May 31, you get a $50 rebate from Canon!! I bought mine
from a store called CompUSA, and the price now is $340. I have a friend
who has the HP you are looking at. It also prints very well, and everyone
has drivers for it, BUT it is VERY slow!
Hope I helped!
(360dpi sure looks great!)
Heather Stehman
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In article <1993Apr19.122649.25263@schbbs.mot.com>, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes:
> In message <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes:
> Hello fellow 'netters.
>
>>I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I
>>should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I
>>thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from
>>relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest
>>potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls
>>better than any salesperson.
>
> (various questions deleted)
>
> Well I bought the BJ 200 about a month ago at the start of their
> $50 rebate program on that printer (it ends 5/31), and I bought it from
> Computer Discount Warehouse because their price of $325 couldn't be
> beat anywhere I looked, and I think it's a HOT printer. Just using
> regular copier paper produced fantastic results just in high quality
> mode. I compared the output of a Micrografx Designer legal size drawing
> with 4pt type done on my BJ 200 with the same drawing printed on
> an HP Laserjet IID and I was amazed how well I could read the small print
> on the BJ 200. Printing speed was several seconds faster on the BJ 200
> which is amazing considering that the HP has 2.5M ram installed.
> I measured the time from when the printer first indicated it was receiving
> data (as I used print manager in Windows).
>
I guess I have some experience with both: I have a BJ-300 at work and a
Deskjet 500 at home. I prefer the Deskjet. The printing speed and quality
are similar (I tested both with text and graphics before buying the Deskjet
for home). The feature that sets the Deskjet apart is the driver support
in so many applications. The BJ ends up emulating the Epson LQ or IBM
Proprinter to get it to work with many non-windows apps and this will be
the case for a long time. The design is superior if you just want to use
cut paper, the Deskjet is quieter, AND the ink cartridges are quite a bit
cheaper due to the number of Deskjets out there in comparision to the BJs.
Just my $0.02 worth..
--
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
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Yes, there is the landscape mode printing problem, but it does not
present a problem in Windows as the Windows printer driver handles the
translation. I actually thought of some other points after I posted the
note. The Deskjet has an unprintable area of approximately .5inch around
the paper the Bubblejet does not. You are right about the graphics
resolutions, I tested the printers with the applications I had access to:
Wordperfect, Harvard Graphics, WinGIF, Paintshop PRO, and Paintbrush and
could not tell a difference. In fact one of the HP Deskjet Windows drivers
gives you significant control over the contrast and density of the printer
hence controlling the amount of ink you put down. The Bubblejet did not.
I had no imaging software to test the printers with and so had no
comparision there. Finally, I wanted sheet feeding. In that configuration
the Bubblejet cost approximately $100 more than the Deskjet.
I went through a pretty thorough evaluation and chose the Deskjet when I
spent my own money. BTW, I am replacing the BJ-300 with a Deskjet 500 at
work this month anyway.
Regards
Mike Mattix
Ag Group of Monsanto
Luling, LA
===========================================================================
I spent some time comparing the two. We ended up getting the Bubblejet
BJ-200 versus the HP. Our reasons were:
1) The HP seemed to have worse banding than the Canon
2) 360dpi versus 300 - we felt we could see the difference
3) Price - Canon has a $50 rebate program going on at the moment.
The BJ-200 was our choice over the BJ-10ex - we could have 100 pages in the
BJ-200 feeder. The BJ-10ex holds only 30 pages, I think.
As you can see, up to 100 pages on the BJ-200. We haven't done anything
big with the BJ, but its performance seems reasonable under Windows. I
know that the Microsoft BBS has a newer windows driver than comes with the
printer, but I don't know how it compares (also the driver included with
the printer is Canon's whereas I don't know where the Microsoft BBS one
comes from - Microsoft?)
Hope this helps.
--
Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW
tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf, tvf@cs.rit.edu
Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!
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Altough I'm sometimes also a salesperson (if I'm not suppost to study :-))
I would recommend to buy the BJ200. The printing quality is a bit better,
but you you've got much more possiblities. Don't forget the HP engine is at
least 2 years on the marked, the Canon engine (witch is also used in
other "new" bubblejet printers like e.g. the Epson ones) is quite recently
available..
> Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360
> dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi).
> Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference,
> particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75
I've seen during a short demonstration (from someone who tryed to sell me
Canon printers) 2 times the same picture, one printed with the BJ200, one
with the Canon, the other with the HP, and.. there was a difference in
printing- quality,.. The Canon was a bit better..
Greetz,
Kris
===========================================================================
When we decided we needed quiet printers in our hospital we looked to
inkjet printers. They have near laser quality, speed, and they are quiet.
We use both HP Deskjets and the Canon BJ-200s. I prefer the paper handling
qualities of the Deskjets but I feel the Canons have superior print
quality. The Ideal would be a Canon with a sheet feeder, however I did end
up buying a deskjet for home use (got too good a deal). Anyway, we are
using Canons in high volume areas and they are holding up very well. Out
of 15 Deskjets and 4 BJ-200s I have only had one problem with a deskjet and
that was taken care of very quickly by HP.
-Nate
===========================================================================
Whenever I buy anything I look at what the "experts" say, pick out the top
few and then buy on whatever criteria are the most apt. I've been
unusually flush lately (no begging letter please) and so I've done this a
few times including - about four months ago - with inkjet printers.
I can't remember much about the process except that I read about three
reviews of inkjets and that the 500 was always at or near the top. I
bought the 500C because of the added dimension of colour (I intend to build
a multi- media machine at some stage and have just bought a colour scanner
towards that). Although I haven's used the colour thing in earnest yet I
tried it out on a couple of Windows bitmaps and I was pleased with the
result.
I note that even though you can now get the 550C (the one with both colour
and mono with no need to change the cartridge), the 500C and 500 are still
readily available (at least in the UK). The following are my
views/experience:
1. I don't know anything about the Canon except that I came away
from reviews (and replies to a posting similar to yours) with
the idea that the HP offered the best performance/price ratio.
2. I believe HP are the originals in the field - not always the
ideal place to be but the market's still young so one assumes
they have the expertise.
3. The 500C is worth the extra. Operation in mono is perfectly
acceptable and I get good crisp reproduction of fonts from
Windows.
4. I used to work for Monotype when they still manufactured
typesetters (before their AMERICAN owners closed them down!)
and I can tell you that in terms of definition 300 dpi is
pretty poor anyway so 360 dpi is just a bit less poor...
5. The HP comes with a reasonable set of drivers.
6. If you buy it invest in the additional RAM pack - it's pretty
slow with it, God knows what it's like without!
I actually work in Germany and my PC is home in the UK so it's not in daily
use. I would say that apart from my not reading the manual properly and
having a really dumb problem at the start it's easy peasy to operate.
Hope this is of use.
Regards
David
===========================================================================
Just bought the BJ-200. I thought the price couldn't be beat ($329, with
$50 rebate thru 5/31) and so far it is comparable, even superior, to the
DeskJet in print quality.
Speed: Per page rate seems to be faster (I don't have figures).
I don't print long docs, though.
Quality: I think the graphics quality is excellent. Print quality is
excellent as well, unless you use small fonts and hold it up
close; you can see a lot more "jaggies" than on a LaserJet.
The 360 dpi is offset by a little less accuracy in holding the
page/print head in place, I would imagine.
Large docs: Not room in the standard model for a whole lotta pages ...
manual says up to 100, though. Haven't tried it.
Drivers: No problems under Win3.1 yet. WinWord doesn't want to print
the envelopes the same way the Canon does, though.
Know nothing of add-on costs.
Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract
===========================================================================
>The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I
>mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares.
>
>The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not
>had any problems with it.
I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago. I compared it to the
sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me. The
BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality. I can compare
it with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical (
depending on the kind of paper). I don't have problems with the ink not
being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast. Probably within a second. Since
Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy.
---
Sean Eckton
Computer Support Representative
College of Fine Arts and Communications
===========================================================================
Wow, it's funny you should ask this. I'm a little behind in news reading
so I know this may be late.
I just purchased the Canon Bubblejet last night. I was really worried
that I wouldn't like it but the print quality, and noise level is
fantastic! I printed quite a few documents with lots of graphics and it
printed DAMN near laser quality. You can't tell it's not laser unless you
get 2 inches from the page.
no problems with drivers. The printer came with the driver diskette
which is good because I was beginning to panic when I couldn't findi it
under Windows or WordPerfect. It works well under both. I have yet to
install Word for Windows so don't know how it works with them.
I had a DeskJet 500 at work last year. It was a good printer as well ut
I felt it was awfully slow. And much noisier than the BubbleJet. I won't
say the BubbleJet is MUCH better, but I really do like it more. Just my
$0.02 worth.
-=- Brett
===========================================================================
--
Sincerely,
Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
revised?!?!"
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk
(Ross Anderson) writes:
>res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:
>> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent
>> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?
>We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in
>picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough
>that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you
>can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can
>lock in on one and average the others out.
>
>The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts
>of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also
>highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to
>another,
>
Hell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy
device. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a "noise"
signal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the
emissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to
make remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course,
the consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will)
cause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It's a matter
of balancing security versus convenience.
BTW, I'm an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and
Telecommunications/Cryptographic Equipment Technician.
--
REMEMBER WACO!
Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?
[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <bmyers-140493201843@slip-x27.ots.utexas.edu> Billy Lee Myers,
bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>Floptical is, of course a different technology, and doesn't enjoy the
long
>term data storage of opticals. And the last time I looked, floptical
disk
>weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60
>per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte).
I don't know how many times I've posted this the net. No one EVER
listens.
Once and for all: Floptical Media is only $1.40 a megabyte if you don't
know where to buy it. I am bying my flopticals at $30 per 2 disks. I
see that as $.75 a meagabyte, NOT $1.40. No, I'm not buying in bulk, I'm
not getting a special deal. $.75 a meg is good in my book, Approching
floppy price.
Any questions on my source can be sent to ctr@po.cwru.edu.
Chris
Chris Roberts: Here we go again...
ctr@po.cwru.edu ctr@pyrite.som.cwru.edu
roberts@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu roberts@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
Well, at least you know where to find me now.. Logged in a terminal,
checking my mail..
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <19387@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <C4IHM2.Gs9@watson.ibm.com> clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes:
>>|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never
>>
>>A speculum?
>
>The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope.
>There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are
>all too familiar with.
In fairness, we should note that if you look up "speculum" in the
dictionary (which I did when this question first surfaced), the first
definition is "a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in
optical instruments."
Which doesn't mean the name fits in this context, but it's not as far
off as you might think.
-- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA
wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily
Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people
| 13sci.med |
In article <22APR93.25499311.0068@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>Manon Rheaume was on with Letterman in Sept. 1992. Her English was
>so terrible that Letterman took cheap shots at her. Although the shots
>were funny, they were uncalled for.
>
Well, on the contrary, I thought Dave was rather taken with her and her
accent..."(H)ockey is my passion"...
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <734953838.AA00508@insane.apana.org.au>,
peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes...
>AllThe Devil ReincarnateSWR meter for CB radios
>
>TD>From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
>TD>Organization: CDAC, WA
>TD>What
>TD>is a good choice for a CB? 1/4 or 1/8 wave?
>TD> I read the installation instructions on a 1/4 wave antenna,
>TD>and they suggested that I use an SWR to tune it at channel 12
>TD>and channel 32 for a minimum reading. Question is, why channel
>TD>12 and 32?
>The best antenna is one that will let out the most wave (probably not the
>best explanation, but the rest makes sense) A one wave will cancell itself
>out (BTW no such beastie).
Yes there is. Not common for CB. The pattern is different (sort of
a cloverleaf, with four main lobes.
> The best is a 1/2 wave antenna, followed by 1/4, then 1/8 etc.
Use of anything under 1/4 wave for transmitting is very uncommon. (The
usual "rubber duck" uses a coil to fool itself into looking like a
quarter wave.
I reccomend the ARRL Antenna Handbook, or a good basic book.
thanks
dave pierson |the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation |the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd |I am the NRA
Stow, Mass 01775 USA |pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing." A J Raffles
| 12sci.electronics |
civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes:
>> Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been
>> better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months?
>>
>>
>1. Withdraw
>2. leave the people in the compund to lead their lives as they choose.
>3. prosecute the BAFT agents for murder
>--
>Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
> New Zealand
CHEERS Brandon. That's the best suggestion I have seen that. !!!
Seeeeee Ya turmoil@halcyon.com
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I hate to sound flippant, having shot off my mouth badly on the net
before, but I'm afraid that much of this material only adds to my
feeling that "the assumption of Mary" would be better phrased "our
assumptions _about_ Mary." In all the time I've been reading about
Mary on this group, I can not recall reading much about Mary that
did not sound like wishful veneration with scant, if any, Scriptural
foundation.
I find in the New Testament a very real portrait of Christ's parents
as compellingly human persons; to be honored and admired for their
humility and submission to God's working, beyond doubt. But the almalga-
mation of theories and dogma that has accreted around them gives me
an image of alien and inhuman creatures, untouched by sin or human
desire. Only Christ himself was so truly sanctified, and even He knew
temptation, albeit without submitting to it.
I also don't see the _necessity_ of saying the Holy Parents were some-
how sanctified beyond normal humanity: it sounds like our own inability
to grasp the immensity of God's grace in being incarnated through an or-
dinary human being.
I won't start yelling about how people are "worshipping" Mary, etc.,
since folks have told me otherwise about that, but I do think we
lose part of the wonder of God's Incarnation in Christ when we make
his parents out to be sinless, sexless, deathless, otherworldly beings.
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ ..........
.. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . .
. . . . . . . . happens .
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <1993Apr20.145735.27235@cs.nott.ac.uk> eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) writes:
>In article <F3ZB3B1w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz>, system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
>|>
>|> Hmmm, what statistics are these? Can you offer any references. The only
>|> studies I've seen indicate a higher proportion of homosexuals in prison
>|> than in the general population, but I don't think that allows for the
>|> "default" you refer to. Prison is not a normal situation...
>|>
>|> But I haven't seen anything that suggests that the "default" proportion is
>|> lower than in the general population (although it seems plausible).
>|>
>|> Anyway, as I say, can you provide any references?
>|>
>|>
>
>Is this an arguement against or for? Or simply a statement of agreeance/
>disagreeance. The fact that there are more homosexuals in prison does not
>mean that homosexuals are immoral and more liable to commit crime. And one
>must remember that prison is not necessarily a reflection of the type of
>people who are criminals. What are the statistics for unsolved crime?
There is also the question of cause and effect.
Lock a mostly straight guy up for 10 years with only guys, ask
ten years later if he has ever had sex with a guy. Closing your
eyes and pretending its a girl sucking you still counts as sex
with a guy on the survey....
--
------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .
\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .
\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .
\/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <1993Apr22.101356.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> writes:
> I for one am happy about the Ranger's hiring of Keenan. It's too bad
that they
> didn't hire him when Smith fired Nielsen, maybe he could of staightened
out the
> babies on this team and made the playoffs. What this team needs is a
little
> fire under their butts!!
>
> Reading through most of these hockey news I don't see many Ranger fans
writing.
> I'm new to this system and a big hockey fan and a long suffering(1940)
Ranger
> fan. But remember suffering builds character!!
>
> I have some final questions about the way the team was handled in that
last
> dreadful stretch.
>
> 1. Knowing they needed offensive help from the blueline, why didn't we
see Mike
> Hurlbut, who played pretty well when he was called up when Leetch first
went
> down?
>
> 2. Why????!!!!! is Joe Kocur playing every night? He is not Bob Probert
who is
> tough but also can play.
>
> 3. How come Paul Broten is relegated to street clothes for the end of
the
> season. At least he plays with some heart and character, draws
penalties and
> plays 110% when he's on the ice. Was he in the doghouse for some
reason?
>
> 4. Joe Cirella?????!!!! Enough said!
>
> Ranger fans may be suffering but we're some of the most loyal, unlike
Islander
> fans who only show up when the team wins.
>
> As far as the Stanley Cup goes I think there's only one team that can
test
> Pittsburgh and that's Detroit. This would be the most entertaining and
hard
> fought series. Mario is amazing!
>
> Kurt
I think Joe Kocus should play every night. He is a big physical guy, and
he gets the fans into the game with some big hits. (both checks and
fists) Its a big advantage to get the crowd going. Plus, he helps
protect the other players. Notice there are very few fights when Kocur is
on the ice unless he is it. I have seen people start to go after essa
Tikkanen, only to go slinking away when Kocur steps in. I think he is big
asset, but should be third line, and special situation only play.
>
>
>
>
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the
general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.
NAME: COMP.DATABASES.ACCESS
MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been
assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.
PURPOSE:
Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG
design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a
database programming language called Access Basic.
THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's
WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use
Access Basic to create complex databases.
RATIONALE:
Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical
Development enviroment and its initial low price.
Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices.
For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss
their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions.
--
Napoleon
mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Sherri Nichols writes
> In article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone)
writes:
> > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here.
> >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order
> >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and
> >Prince is coming along nicely!
>
> Tom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher. Think of him as a young Dann
> Bilardello.
Or a young Don Bordello...
> I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of
> losing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons. The Pirates
> released Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then
> eventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep.
> He's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't
> clear waivers now? Why would they care?
There's a strong possibility that the Bucs have absolutely no other catching
prospects in the minors at this point -- at least nobody ready for any serious
AAA/majors duty. The main reason they might have stayed with Prince could be
just age, especially if Spanky was creeping toward his mid-30s or something.
All things considered, though, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Spanky behind
the plate than Prince. Isn't there decent backup backstop out there looking
for work?
> Sherri Nichols
> snichols@adobe.com
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
In article <1993Apr22.213142.6964@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>And we do not end perfect either. We are never perfect. Can you name
>one person, young or old, past or present, that you deem perfect?
Krishna.
BG10:20(Miller) I am the self abiding in the heart of all creatures; I am
their beginning, their middle, and their end.
BG10:32(Miller) I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of
creations, Arjuna; of sciences, I am the science of the self; I am the
dispute of orators.
BG10:41(Miller) Whatever is powerful, lucid, splendid, or invulnerable
has its source in a fragment of my brilliance. (42) What use is so much
knowledge to you, Arjuna? I stand sustaining this entire world with a
fragment of my being.
BG11:32(Miller) I am time grown old ...
I can provide more names of perfect people should just one be insufficient.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes:
>
> Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an
>impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden.
I believe that was 4-1. Rod Brind-Amour scored at 19.59 of the third.
>
>Kevin White
>white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
P. Allen Larsen University of Victoria
plarsen@sanjuan.uvic.ca
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In a previous article, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu () says:
>least a few "enlightened" physicians practicing in the U.S. It's really
>too bad that most U.S. medical schools don't cover nutrition because if
>they did, candida would not be viewed as a non-disease by so many in the
>medical profession.
Case Western Reserve Med School teaches nutrition in its own section as
well as covering it in other sections as they apply (i.e. B12
deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy, B12 deficiency in
hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia), yet I sill
hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine: candida can cause
mucocutaneous candidiasis, and, in already very sick patients
with damaged immune systems like AIDS and cancer patients,
systemic candida infection. I think "The Yeast Connection" is
a bunch of hooey. What does this have to do with how well
nutrition is taught, anyway?
>
>Here is a brief primer on yeast. Yeast infections, as they are commonly
>called, are not truely caused by yeasts. The most common organism responsible
>for this type of infection is Candida albicans or Monilia which is actually a
>yeast-like fungus.
Well, maybe I'm getting picky, but I always thought that a yeast
was one form that a fungus could exist in, the other being the
mold form. Many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds,
depending on environment. Candida exibits what is known as
reverse dimorphism - it exists as a mold in the tissues
but exists as a yeast in the environment. Should we maybe
call it a mold infection? a fungus infection? Maybe we
should say it is caused by a mold-like fungus.
>
>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
>1111 West 17th St.
>Tulsa, Ok. 74107
>
You're the chairman of Biochem and Micro and you didn't know
that a yeast is a form of a fungus? (shudder)
Or maybe you did know, and were oversimplifying?
| 13sci.med |
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There's other stuff, too; interesting commands to try are "help" and
"send atheism/index".
6. (Last resort) Mail mathew@mantis.co.uk, or post an article to the
newsgroup asking how you can get the FAQ files. You should only do this
if you've tried the above methods and they've failed; it's not nice to
clutter the newsgroup or people's mailboxes with requests for files.
it's better than posting without reading the FAQ, though! For instance,
people whose email addresses get mangled in transit and who don't have
FTP will probably need assistance obtaining the FAQ files.
mathew
ÿ
| 0alt.atheism |
>>Nick sez;
I'm not very impressed by the old so-called "prospecting" work from
LPI, it has almost all been geared towards industrially silly processes on
the moon as an excuse to put astronauts there. [...]
>>Fred replies;
Translation: It doesn't support the Nick Szabo Vision of the Future
to Which You MUST Subscribe...
>Tom sez;
Fred, we're all supporting what each of us thinks should be done, to some
degree. If you have a problem with what Nick thinks should be done,
address it, instead of just complaining about his doing so.
>Fred again;
You really don't get what the 'complaints' are about, do you?
[not incredibly clear explanation of complaints...something between
feelings regarding Nick's method, and judgments about his meaning]
T
>>Maybe I'd get it if you said what the complaints are about, rather than
>>doing the same things that you mean to complain about. When you trash
>>people, how am I supposed to read that as 'trashing people is bad'?
F
>Gee, funny that you get it now, then? Deliberate obtuseness, perhaps?
*** Fred's issue #1; Nick's alleged trashing of others ***
I only got it when you stopped trashing, and made your point patently,
instead of 'allegorically'. That was my point all along, Fred.
>>>>Not only
>>>>do you do the same thing on the net (honestly reporting your ideas
>>>>on matters of policy and projects in space), but your response was just
>>>>baiting, not even part of a debate.
>>>I have yet to see Nick enter into anything remotely resembling "a
>>>debate". I see him flame anyone or anything who disagrees with The
>>>One True Szabo Plan; I see him attacking people, calling them "lazy
>>>bastard" because they had the temerity to disagree with the Almight
>>>Nick; I see him questioning peoples ethics, again because they had the
>>>temerity to disagree with Lord God Szabo. But debate? BWAAaaahhhaaaa.
>>I'm glad you can laugh, since your ratio of debate/insult is about the same.
>Not even close, Tommy, and generally only when I'm dealing with
>someone like Nick.
I see we are dealing with a problem in a conflict of interpretations, not
least of which is your belief that only you can adequately judge what is
and is not debate. Suffice to say that I disagree with you on that last
point. Why don't you take a poll, Fred, if you want some psuedo-objective
point-of-view?
And, as usual, you defend your insults with "he started it." "Yeah, I
took some of his research and called it my own, but he started it." "So
what if I stole his car, he stole my lawnmower first." Besides that, I
think it's still open to interpretation whether Nick actually did start it.
So your defense, besides being lame, and contradicting the first part of
the sentence in which it occurs, may not even apply anyway.
Your defense reminds me of the guy that broke the borrowed tool: "I
never borrowed it, I already gave it back, and it was broken when you
gave it to me." Make up yer mind, Fred!
>>>>I'm not convinced that people are necessary in all parts of every space-
>>>>based process, and your response doesn't tell me a thing about the
>>>>reasons why you think they should be, except to impune the motives of
>>>>the person with a divergent opinion.
>>>Who said I think they should be, Tommy? Show me a note where I said
>>>that and I'll eat this terminal. ****See below, Fred****
>>Fred, I cocluded that you did, since you took issue with it. The fact
>>that my conclusion was incorrect, i.e. that you were taking issue with
>>something different, is evidence that your communication style is
>>confusing.
>Or evidence that your reading and comprehension style are inadequate.
First, I try to address what I think you meant, for which I am rewarded
with a denial of sorts, and a smart remark. Then, I point out that I am
not clear what you did mean, rather than risking your childish ire, wrongly
interpreting you a second time, and I'm stupid for it. I just can't win,
can I, Fred? You've got a great point here somewhere, it's just that
between stupid people that you must insult, and your jealous guarding of
your valuable opinions, you never actually get around to making it.
>Please quote the 'it' I took issue with. I believe you will see (if
>you look) that what I was and am taking issue with is Mr Szabo's idea
>that the manned program should be scrapped until such time as his
>toaster-based infrastructure is finished. All Hail the Szabo Plan!
*** Fred issue #2; Nick's alleged meaning ***
Too bad the plan only exists in your mind, instead of Nick's, or you
would have a really good point. Instead you have provided a good reason
to ignore your insults, since they are based on incorrect interpretations
that you have made about others. Forgive me for giving your insults more
meaning than they ever should have had.
My reading of what Nick actually said is that "people aren't required in
all parts of all space processes", so your taking issue with his opinions
regarding people in the space program, I read as "People are required in
all parts of all space processes." So, help me out, here, Fred, since I'm
so patently stupid. Did you read Nick wrong? Or are you going to eat
your terminal now? If the latter, I sure hope it's one of those Cheeto and
string models that all the computer mags have been raving about :-)
The point is, _I_ am not stupid because of _your_ incorrect assumption. I'd
only be stupid if I insulted you for having made it. But, alas, that's your
job, Fred.
And, finally, your style is confusing, since you tried to make two points,
simultaneously, with an allegory/insult. Sadly, one point addressed a 'plan'
that only existed in your mind, and the other took issue with behaviors that
you do as much as anyone.
>More deliberate lack of understanding, Tommy?
No, no, I finally got it. You don't like the plan that Nick's posts made
you imagine. And you don't like Nick's obnoxious behavior, even though
it's no worse than your own. Thanks for taking the time with someone as
dense as myself.
>>>>If you have a problem with Nick's delivery, address that. The way you
>>>>bait, you're perpetuating the lack of discourse that you complain of.
>>>No, Tommy, the 'bait' is that which elicits the response. *NICK*
>>>'baits'; I just flame him for being an obnoxious fool.
>>I don't really care who started it. I read this list to get information
>>and other's views on the issues to which it was dedicated, not to be
>>your Mom (He started it! No, he did!) or to hear about why Nick is a very
>>bad guy. If you think flaming is bad, stop flaming, or at least get to
>>the point in the first post, instead of explaining yourself all the time.
>That's nice, Tommy. When you pay me to post to the net you can
>complain about not getting your money's worth. Perhaps if you weren't
>(deliberately?) too thick to get the point the first time I wouldn't
>have to waste time "explaining [myself] all the time"?
Of course, Socrates. How could it be otherwise?
>I think it's neat how all this criticism from you started after your
>'fatherly' admonitions to me about how such things should be handled
>outside Usenet were somewhat rebuffed. Being a little hypocritical,
>Tommy (to go with the immaturity)? Or is this just the pique of a
>net.ghod wannabe who got turned down by someone he *thought* was new
>(and hence could be 'instructed' -- Tommy, I saw you come on the net).
Who cares who came on the net first? If you do, consider that you saw
me come on after a brief haitus, before which I was on for about 2 years.
If you had seen me on the net first, you'd remember when Nick and I went
down exactly the same road regarding rude, unneccesary behavior. It's
just amazing to me that you continue to take issue with behavior that's
no worse than your own.
Let's see here, my complaints about your obnoxious behavior are hypocritical,
while your flames against people you decide are flamers isn't, and my
complaints about your name-calling are immature, while your name-calling
isn't. Yeah, right. Maybe if you called me some more names, I might
see it better, Fred.
"Net.ghod wannabe"? Naturally, Fred, you've correctly interpreted my
motivations, when yours are impossible to judge from your actions (as
your insulting of people that try, proves). I didn't really care about
people that fill the net with personal garbage, what I really wanted was to
impress everyone. I only put my complaints with your behavior on private
mail, not because it belongs there, but because I thought you were such a
jerk that you'd bring it back to the Net, playing right into my hands.
Alas, I had no idea what an intellectual master you were, turning tables and
bringing the history of these posts to the net, for the noble and valuable
purpose of embarassing me. Whether I should feel stupid because I tried
to make suggestions to such a superior intellect, or becuase I tried to
communicate like an adult with a self-righteous ass, still isn't clear.
Well, Fred, you exposed me. Now I'll never be able to get a(nother) job
with NASA, since they all know that I'm stupider than Fred McCall. Well,
I just hope you're happy. Please leave me alone, now. I just don't
have the heart to attempt keeping up with one so far above me. Maybe Nick
or Pat can approach your high standards, but I'm dropping it now.
-Tommy Mac
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18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows.
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| 14sci.space |
I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest
surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just
my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an
opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway....
MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and
in terms of leadership ("can't win without him")
Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player
that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even
if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth
(includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not
even have been in the team's plans).
Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I
picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on
offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?)
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Team Biggest Biggest
Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment:
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Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley
Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?)
Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit
Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet
Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov
Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby
Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau
Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey
Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten
Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard
New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean
New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois
New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque
Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek
Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund
Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr
Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson
San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley
St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter
Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper
Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson
Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso
Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik
Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce
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As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I
would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other
words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!)
Bryan
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <C5sqv8.EDB@acsu.buffalo.edu> SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <79857@cup.portal.com>
>mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
>
>>
>>No, there is something called the "Delany Amendment" which makes carcinogenic
>>food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the
>
>I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to
>commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal
>for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc). Is this true?
>
Whoa. What did you say your name was? Address, SSN? Smoking foods, eh?
I think the gov't would like to know about this...
Brian
:-)
| 13sci.med |
Could someone please post a list of good three-D modelers that will
run on SPARC stations; preferably cheap. Thanks
Richard
rws2v@virginia.edu
| 1comp.graphics |
In article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU ("The
Logistician") writes:
>
> I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now
only
> of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
>
> Thanx.
Pierre Turgeon, formely of the Sabres and now of the Isles wears #77 (at
least he did in Buffalo ...)
--
Tom Gwitt gwittt@alleg.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear
Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.
> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com
> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?
> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT
>
> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>
> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote:
> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that
> >this board would be most appropriate.
> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that
> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders
> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the
> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called
> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?
>
> Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants
> are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling
> towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for
> coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways.
>
> Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when
> its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network
> of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling
> and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the
> hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than
> just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is
> rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently
> seen rising out of these towers.
>
> That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because
> it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of
> the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape.
>
> The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam
> system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the
> boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across
> the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and
> by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it
> back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference
> (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage "hot"
> turbine to final stage "cold" turbine).
>
> R. Tim Coslet
>
> Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com
> technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena
Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always
see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At
nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas
fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot
water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many
fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive
contamination.
Wayne Martin
| 12sci.electronics |
Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter
of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on
NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:
Canadians: 400
Americans: 100
Europeans: 100
Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top
25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.
Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick
of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the
Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and
"Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,
and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other
teams is getting worse as well.
I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about "Pavel Bure, the
Russian Rocket" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see
the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a
Canucks fan to begin with ;-).
Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that
I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and
some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR
NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even
better hockey players. It's all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening,
but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue
to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.
With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly
only getting worse.
I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures
and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.
I just don't want them on mine.
--
Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you're doing."
rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional
WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."
-----------------
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
The ATF agent interviewed on "Street Stories" reported that the raid was
ill planned, and went ahead even when they (the BD's) knew the ATF was
coming. WHY?
I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it,
and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part
in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even
suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the
context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda,
as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof
might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests
for sufficient fire power.
Important dates:
Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban.
Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked.
On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon
ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate
in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have
an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated
agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or some
group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were initially
at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent
on "Street Stories" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to "get
ready fast", as "they know we are coming". I believe this attack continued,
even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top
down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to
come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely.
...rich
| 16talk.politics.guns |
In <16BA6C947.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
>>There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of
>>marriage.
>>
>>I personally think that part of the value of having lasting partnerships
>>between men and women is that this helps to provide a stable and secure
>>environment for children to grow up in.
>(Deletion)
>
>As an addition to Chris Faehl's post, what about homosexuals?
Well, from an Islamic viewpoint, homosexuality is not the norm for
society. I cannot really say much about the Islamic viewpoint on homosexuality
as it is not something I have done much research on.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <2BCF3DD9.8771@ics.uci.edu> Matt Madsen,
mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu writes:
> Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040
> accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for
> the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30.
>
The DayStar PowerCache for the SE/30 replaces the CPU with an accelerated
CPU plus the powercache. This leavese the PDS slot open for a video card.
Currenty, DayStar does not have the '040 in this configuration, but it is
due out early next year. With their upgrade policy, you can get the '030
accelerator now, and when the '040 version becomes available, you get
credit
for the one you have.
I am running their 50 MHz version with FPU along with a Radius Precision
Color Pivot and I'm very satisfied.
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Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics
fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College
(616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I am currently doing a group research project on the drug Xanax. I would
be exponentially gracious to receive any and all information you could
provide
me regarding its usage, history, mechanism of reaction, side effects, and
other pertinent information. I don't care how long or how short your
response is.
Thanks in advance!
Brent E. Shelley
| 13sci.med |
In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula <DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an
>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives?
No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the
fish at UNH games....)
>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?)
>-------
>Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!!
>
>Harold Zazula
>dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
>hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:
>In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,
>
> Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference
>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.
>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an
>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?
> They sound like one and the same to me.
> Pixie
>
>
> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow
>it blindly?
Why do we follow God so blindly? Have you ever asked a
physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?
The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person
cannot.
I acknowledge, as a Christian, that I am blind. I see,
but I see illusions as well as reality. (Watched TV lately?)
I hear, but I hear lies as well as truth. (Listen to your
radio or read a newspaper.) Remember, all that tastes well is
not healthy. So, I rely one the one who can see, hear, and
taste everything, and knows what is real, and what is not.
That is God.
Of course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses,
how do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or
a lie. That is why we need faith to be saved. We must force
ourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us
enough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think
we know. Why would He have created us if He did not love us
enough to help us through this world?
I also do trust my experiences to some extent. When
I do things that defy the seeming logic of my experience,
because it is what my Father commands me to do, and I see
the results in the long term, I find that He has led me
in the proper direction, even though it did not feel right
at the time. This is where our works as Christians are
important: As exercises of the body make the body strong,
excercises of faith make the faith strong.
As for you, no one can "convert" you. You must
choose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to
follow Him. All we as Christians wish to do is share with
you the love we have received from God. If you reject that,
we have to accept your decision, although we always keep
the offer open to you. If you really want to find out
why we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try
praying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians
about their experiences personally. Then you may grow to
understand why we believe what we do, in defiance of the
logic of this world.
May the Lord bring peace to you,
Malcusco
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In article <23APR199309564175@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>,
ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham) wrote:
>
> In article <1993Apr23.132700.6687@bme.ri.ccf.org>, tknuth@bio.ri.ccf.org
> writes...
>
> >Wow! The tribe gave up 8 more runs last night. Their ERA is 6.08 and
> >opponents are hitting .304 against them. [...]
> >The front office is excited about calling Matt Young up next week to
> >join the rotation. ^^^^^^^
>
> Well, "excited" doesn't exactly mean "happy." In this case it means, "our
> contract says we have to bring him up by 05/01 or release him -- and we
> need to find somebody, someplace, to do something until some of the injured
> pitchers recover and some of the young pitchers get ready. So we best get
> a move on."
>
> Ok, so it's not the primary definition. So sue me :-).
>
> RG
> Lakewood Pain & Allpaper, All-LeRC Statistical Baseball League
> Lakewood Pain & Allpaper, Tomorrow's Heroes League
I'm a little worried about this pitching thing. 6.08 is scarry even for
the first 16 games of the season. Mesa (sp?) seems to be settling down.
He pitched well against the Red Soxs, but The Rocket matched him. I got a
chance to watch them play against California Wednesday and he pitched well
also. Then the dam broke. Wickander came in and promptly it was 6-1. (3
run homer by Snow?).
I heard the guys on ESPN say that 7 of the TRIBE's top 10 prospects are
pitchers. Anyone out there like to post who these guys are and where they
are?
The TRIBE is on ESPN again tonight against Oakland.
John R Cogar | Always expect the worst.
cogar@g24mac1.nswc.navy.mil | Join the Cleveland Sports Fan Society.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
From Israeline 4/27/93
Rabin: We Must Concentrate on Qualitative Changes in Israeli
Society
Today's AL HAMISHMAR quotes Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's
Independence Day interview yesterday on Israel Television. Rabin
said that enforcing Jewish sovereignty over the entire Land of
Israel would lead to the establishment of a bi-national state. "I
would view it as if the historical destiny of my generation, Dor
Tashach, the generation that had the great privilege of determining
the fate of the people and founding the Jewish state, had been
lost." Rabin added, "We must stop dreaming of settlements [i.e. in
the Territories] and focus on qualitative and substantive changes
in Israeli society to make it a productive society dependent on its
own labor." The Prime Minister concluded saying that he would like
to achieve a significant breakthrough in the peace process during
his government's term.
---
Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics
Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes:
Each chip includes the following components:
the Skipjack encryption algorithm
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
Hmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is
derived deterministically from this serial number. That means that
there are only one billion possible unit keys.
Oh hell, it's *much* worse than that. You think they'll ever make
more than a million of them? Serial numbers aren't handed out at random
you know, they start at 1 and work up... Call it a 20 bit space maybe.
G
| 11sci.crypt |
In article <1r3vjhINN5iq@dns1.NMSU.Edu>
amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
>In article <gradyC5uAMw.BnG@netcom.com> grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes:
>If you can get it for a buck, 2nd hand, it must be true, eh? I'm pretty
>sure the NSA is supposed to, among many other things, provide high-quality
>cryptosystems to a variety of places. I don't recall reading anywhere
>reliable that they're supposed to:
>
> 1) Monitor my phonecalls.
> 2) Monitor usenet.
> 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack.
> 4) etc etc.
>
> This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't
>know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost
>all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you',
>your claims about the NSA border on paranoia.
>
> Andrew
>
OK, Andrew, I'll provide some evidence. A friend of mine worked for an
electronics manufacturer on with a west-coast office. They routinely sold
equipment to the Japanese. One day, the Japanese started showing up with
discount demands that were amazingly close to the cost to manufacture the
products.
This company routinely sent most of the manufacturing data to the field
offices. The Japanese had simply intercepted it. So my friend, the computer
systems admin, came up with a solution. He started sending the data out
double-block-encrypted with DES.
Two days after this new distribution plan was implemented, the president of
the company got a visit from a pair of government agents. They told him to
"knock it off". The president gave in, since his company did a considerable
business with the federal government.
Now, if the government wasn't monitoring the communications, how would they
even know that the encryption system was installed? Further, since encryp-
tion isn't illegal, and DES certainly isn't, what is the basis of the
government's cease-and-desist demand?
The spooks do whatever they think is necessary, with or without the blessings
of the law. I'll say "no thanks" to Clipper, or anything else the government
produces. For the moment, double or triple DES is probably adequate. And when
the line is idle, send random garbage, just to keep 'em busy.
David Hayes merlin@lerami.lerctr.org
| 11sci.crypt |
mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes:
>I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact
>that ADCOM does NOT make its own "High End" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+
>of it comes directly out of Tiawan...
Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards
assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final
assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick.
The products are, and have always been, designed entirely in the US;
by their own staff and by audiophile gurus like Walter Jung. Adcom
also tends to prefer American and European components over their
Japanese/Far East equivalents.
Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products
that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van
Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost.
Of course, if your musical diet consists mostly of Rock, you might
prefer components from Kenwood or Pioneer...
Roger Williams | "Most great discoveries are made
rogerw@world.std.com | by accident: the larger the
consulting engineer | funding, the longer it takes to
Middleborough, Mass. | have that accident."
| 12sci.electronics |
|> As far as Cheveldae is concerned, he is a decent goalie. The most logical
|> trade in the offseason to me would be between Detroit and NY Rangers. I'm sure
|> if Beezer would be traded he would enjoy the opportunity to go back to his
|> roots in Detroit. He would be a valuable asset to the Wings and Perhaps the
|> Rangers could get a Zombo in return? Beezer got a few good years in him and
|> the opportunity to get a fresh start would energize his play.
|>
Only problem is that Zombo was traded to St. Louis last year for goalie
Vincent Riendeau.
I think that while Chevy is not among the elite class of goalies, he is
adequate given the offensive firepower of the Wings.
Greg
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <2942881697.0.p00168@psilink.com> p00168@psilink.com (James F. Tims) writes:
>
>By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we
>place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than
>we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error.
>
I answer from the position that we would indeed place these people
in prison for life.
That depends not only on their predisposition towards murder, but
also in their success rate at escape and therefore their ability
to commit the same crimes again.
In other words, if lifetime imprisonment doesn't work, perhaps
it's not because we're not executing these people, but because
we're not being careful enough about how we lock them up.
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Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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| 0alt.atheism |
In article <1qkj31$4c6@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>
>I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective
>basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in
>dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to
>demonstrate to me that science is not necessarily useful, worthy
>or important in any situation. In other words, I need to know
>how you use the term "objective".
One need not have have the notion that science is useful. For
example: many Christian scientists do not believe medical science to be
usefor or worthy. That does not make medical science subjective.
In any event, I fail to see what you mean by "subjective" science.
Are you suggesting that it is, and that if I step of a building, I may fall,
while you may not?
I assure you, it is a very objective conclusion that you will fall
( without any other outside means of support ). If you do not believe this,
I suggest you step off of a building, and subjectively believe that you will
not fall.
---
Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible.
| 0alt.atheism |
I have a problem with the wallpaper on my desktop, in 1024x768x256 mode.
For bitmap files bigger than about 512k (slightly less sometimes depending
on the exact dimensions), the wallpaper display is badly corrupted. The
rest of the desktop is fine. For wallpaper bitmaps smaller than this, I
have no problem. I have a friend who has an 800k bitmap which he has no
problems with, so it is possible. It is also possible to display these
bitmaps using CShow in 1024x768x256 mode with no problem, so the video
card is not at fault.
How can I remedy this?
My system:
386DX40, 4Mb ram.
DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1.
Oak 1Mb 077 Video card, 1024x768x256 mode, using supplied drivers.
Windows has a permanent 11,288kb swap file.
Please reply via e-mail, and _use the address in my .sig_, as our post
software always seems to mangle the address in the header.
Thanks,
Mazz.
--
Richard Mazzaferri Ph.D. student Uni. of Newcastle
Ph (049) 216254 mazz@faceng.newcastle.edu.au Australia.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In article <1993Apr6.150808.27533@news.unomaha.edu>, hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes:
|> Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote:
|> : B
|> : BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying
|> : BK>wants 80ns simms?
|>
|> : You shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems
|> : with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster.
|>
|> --
|> It should run without any trouble of course but why do you want to buy some
|> 60ns and mixed them with 80ns? 60ns is more expensive than 80ns and
|> furthermore your machine will run the slowest SIMMs clock speed eventhough
|> you have 60ns. Just my 0.02cents thought....
|>
Your machine will run at whatever the bus is jumpered to/CMOS is set to
(usually wait states) regardless of what speed RAM is installed. No
motherboard can sense the speed of the RAM installed, unless you call
failing as a sort of auto-sense. This is how you can sometimes use
"slower" RAM in a machine. You either set the number of wait states to
accomodate the slow RAM (in which case, all memory will run at that
slower rate) or you reduce the wait states and take the chance that the
slower RAM will act like faster RAM and you won't crash.
Putting faster RAM in won't speed things up unless you tell the machine
it has faster RAM.
Mixing fast and slow RAM will not help you if you have to keep the bus
slowed down to accomodate slow RAM.
JimL
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
[Sorry if I posted this to the wrong place, wasn't sure where this
should go...]
Model PS6600 - 64K memory, storage for telephone numbers, addresses,
memos, schedule, calendar, calculator. Password protection, 6 line
display, full keyboard, 32 characters per line. Search through all data
storage areas for keywords, transmit to or receive entries via IBM
compatible computers with optional interface kit. Uses 2 AAA batteries,
and 1 lithium battery for backup. Also has world time, sound, still has
1 year Service Merchandise warranty left, with manual. Sells new for
$90, asking $65 (shipping included).
E-mail mc89+@andrew.cmu.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <93113.010900RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes:
>I'm just wondering where all the Bruins fans are??? I mean they woofed it
>up with about 1,000,000 posts during the regular season saying that their
>fave team was going to kick everyone's @#$ in the playoffs and win the Stanley
Oh really? I seem to remember this year's woofers consisting mainly of
yourself and Roger. Boston fans were relatively quiet.
>Cup. While I see nothing wrong with a little ranting and raving, I'm just
>curious why all the Boston faithful have stopped posting. I mean I haven't
>even see just one little Boston fan post, 'cept for the Bruins fans that
>aren't cocky. ...
I guess the concept of a fan who is not cocky is something you couldn't
possible understand, eh?
>but I don't know, I'd sure like to see where all those Bruins fans are at :-)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>** Robbie Po ** 1993's STREAKERS "We do what comes naturally!
>Patrick Division Semi's -- PGH PENGUINS -- You see now, wait for the
>PENGUINS 4, Devils 3 1991, 1992 STANLEY possibility, don't you see a
>Penguins lead, 3-0 CUP CHAMPIONS :-) strong resemblance..."-DG '89
Nah. I doubt you really would. You're just being a PROVOCATIVE SOB
as usual with a large stick up your but. Of course, I mean that in the
nicest way. :-)
And just how much bragging did YOU do, "wobbie," on r.s.b.c after
UMASS!!! beat your Quakers?
BTW. Congratulations should go to the Sabres. They are playing more
diciplined, and with more will to win. They deserve it.
Dan, dan@vicorp.com
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
>>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>>
>>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler)
>>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?
"...a la Chrysler"?? Okay kids, to the nearest thousand, how many
dollars did the government spend to "bail out" Chrysler? More than zero
you say?
Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
|===========================================================================|
|Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American | Success is getting what you want. |
| & Lead Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. |
|Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu | -- Brother Dave Gardner |
|===========================================================================|
| 18talk.politics.misc |
I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory
I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw
my computer "boggs" down and becomes really sluggish!
What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off
Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to
the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it?
Thanx in advance
Derek
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$\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$
$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Thanks for the Update.
Will...
| 14sci.space |
I have a lot of CDs for sale. Prices are $7 per CD and $3 per CD Single.
CDs are noted by (CD) and CD Singles by (CDS). Please include $1 extra
per CD for s/h costs. IF you want to buy a lot of them, then we'll work
out a deal with the shipping costs!
Type Group Title
---------------------------------------------
CDS Boys to Men Motown Philly
CDS C & C Music Factory Keep it Comin'
CDS Moby Go (Remixes)
CDS Quadrophonia Schizophrenia
CDS Swing Out Sister Not Gonna Change
CDS Recoil Faith Healer
CDS Seal The Beginning
CDS Transvision Vamp Tranvision Vamp
CDS C & C Music Factory Gonna Make U Sweat
CDS Nitzer Ebb Godhead
CDS Roxette How Do You Do!
CDS B-52's Good Stuff
CDS Duran Duran Violence of Summer
CDS Nitzer Ebb AS IS
CDS Vanessa Williams Running Back to You
CD Seal SEAL
CD LFO Frequencies
CD Morissey Kill Uncle
CD Underworld Change the Weather
CD Jody Watley You Wanna Dance With Me?
CD Dead or Alive Fan the Flame
CD Transvision Vamp Velveteen
CD Adam Ant Manners & Physique
CD Fine Young Cannibals The Raw & the Remix
CD Black Box Dreamland
CD Civilles & Cole Greatest Remixes Vol. 1
CD Black Box Mixed Up!
CD Scorpions The Best of Rockers &
Ballads
CD A & M Underground Dance Jam Harder
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Box 3268 CS | <- Mail to invent dwarf tossing!"
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| 6misc.forsale |
This is a RFD on a proposal for a newsgroup which would promote a
sharing on the "Johannine hours" as proposed each month by the monks of
the ecumenical community of Taize (pronounced te-zay) in France.
NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
==========================
soc.religion.taize (Unmoderated)
PURPOSE OF THE GROUP:
====================
The Taize Community is an international ecumenical community of monks
based in France. Many young adults come there to search for meaning in
their life and to deepen their understanding of their faith through a
sharing with others. This newsgroup will allow such a sharing through a
monthly "Johannine Hour" which will be posted at the beginning of each
month. A "Johannine hour" involves a short commentary on a given Bible
passage, followed by some questions for reflection. Any thoughts that
may arise in consequence and that you wish to share with others can be
posted here. We are not interested in theological debate, and even less
in polemics. No expertise is required! The idea is to help one another
to deepen our understanding of Scripture as it is related to our own
life-journey.
The idea of "Johannine hours" was born in Taize as a simple response
to all those who were trying to assimilate the Bible's message in the
midst of their daily life. Because of work or studies, it is often
impossible to spend long hours in silence and reflection, but
everyone can take an hour from time to time to enter a church, sit
quietly at home or go out for a walk in the woods. There, in silence,
we can meditate on a passage of Scripture to listen to the voice of
Christ.
During the time of silence, it is important to concentrate on what we
understand and not waste time worrying if, in some Biblical expressions,
we find it difficult to hear the voice of Christ. The idea is to
communicate to others what we have understood of Christ, not burdening
them with our own hesitations but rather telling them what has brought
us joy, what has led us to run the risk of trusting more deeply.
Perhaps those who read and think about the "Johannine Hours" in this
newsgroup could share their reflections and discoveries with others.
The important thing is the complementarity between two aspects, the
personal aspect of silent, personal reflection and the communal aspect
of sharing, which through Usenet makes us a part of a worldwide network.
BACKGROUND OF THE TAIZE COMMUNITY:
=================================
The following provides some background information on the life and
vocation of the Taize (pronounced te-zay) community.
"A PARABLE OF COMMUNION": August 1940, with Europe in the grip of
World War II, Brother Roger, aged 25, set up home in the almost
abandoned village of Taize, in Eastern France. His dream: to bring
together a monastic community which would live out "a parable of
community", a sign of reconciliation in the midst of the distress of
the time. Centering his life on prayer, he used his house to conceal
refugees, especially Jews fleeing from the Nazi occupation.
AN INTERNATIONAL AND ECUMENICAL COMMUNITY: Taize's founder spent the
first two years alone. Others joined him later and at Easter 1949,
seven brothers committed themselves together to common life and
celibacy. Year by year, still others have entered the community, each
one making a lifelong commitment after several years of preparation.
Today, there are 90 brothers, Catholics and from various Protestant
backgrounds, from over twenty different countries. Some of them are
living in small groups in poor neighbourhoods in Asia, Africa, North
and South America. The brothers accept no donations or gifts for
themselves, not even family inheritances, and the community holds no
capital. The brothers earn their living and share with others
entirely through their own work. In 1966, Sisters of Saint Andrew, an
international Catholic community founded 750 years ago, came to live
in the neighbouring village, to share the responsibility of welcoming
people in Taize.
TAIZE AND THE YOUNG; THE INTERCONTINENTAL MEETINGS: Young adults, and
less young, have been coming to Taize in ever greater numbers since
1957. Hundreds of thousands of people from Europe and far beyond have
thus been brought together in a common search. Intercontinental
meetings take place each week, Sunday to Sunday, throughout the year
and they include youth from between 35 and 60 countries during any
one week. The meetings give each person the opportunity to explore
the roots of their faith and to reflect on how to unite the inner
life and human solidarity. The meetings in summer can have up to
6,000 participants a week. Three times every day, the brothers and
everybody on the hill come together for common prayer in the Church
of Reconciliation, built in 1962 when the village church became too
small.
"A PILGRIMAGE OF TRUST ON EARTH" The community has never wanted to
create a "movement" around itself. Instead, people are called to
commit themselves in their church at home, in their neighbourhood,
their city or village. To support them in this, Taize has created
what it calls "a pilgrimage of trust on earth". At the end of each
year, the pilgrimage has a "European meeting" which brings together
tens of thousands of young adults from every part of Europe for
several days in a major city. There have also been meetings in Asia
and in the United States. Every year, Brother Roger writes an open
letter to the young. Usually completed during a stay in one of the
poor regions of the world, these are translated into thirty languages
and provide themes for reflexion for the following year.
NOTE: Discussion on the creation of this newsgroup will take place in
news.groups.
For any further information contact: Brother.Roy@almac.co.uk
brother.roy@almac.co.uk
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. 1st 1.10b #332 . Taize-Community, 71250 TAIZE, France
| 15soc.religion.christian |
In <1r74a4$h2t@transfer.stratus.com> cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes:
>I've been reading the sci.crypt, alt.privacy.clipper and comp.org.eff.talk
>discussions about the Clipper chip and find (as usual) that most of us
>think alike -- so there's a lot of repitition. If each of these messages
>were sent to Clinton as well as to the net (or instead of to the net), we
>might actually have some effect.
> 0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House)
I've already written a 5000 char commentary (from my MCI MAIL account, so I
can't be accused of being a "hacker".)
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216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
| 11sci.crypt |
Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals.
(Hey, look who's #4!) I'll try to post the standings after "each game"
(i.e. every two days).
I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing
is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon.
Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back
from me. If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team
to me and I'll see what I can do. Any kind of "proof" you sent it on the
weekend will help your case. :-) Seriously, this is only a fun pool and
I trust each person to be honest.
Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you.
- Andrew
USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings
Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn
1. Sneddon Scorers 43 25 (--)
2. The Borg 42 25 (--)
Dave Wessels 42 25 (--)
4. Bruce's Rented Mules 41 25 (--)
Great Expectations 41 25 (--)
Hurricane Andrew 41 25 (--)
Jerky Boys 41 24 (--)
Homesick Hawaiian 41 25 (--)
9. give you money monday 40 25 (--)
Einstien's Punk Band 40 25 (--)
11. Zipper Heads 39 25 (--)
Tapio Repo 39 25 (--)
Detroit Homeboy 39 25 (--)
the dead ducks 39 25 (--)
Mike Burger 39 25 (--)
Test Department 39 25 (--)
Team Elvis 39 25 (--)
Craig team 39 25 (--)
19. Skate or Die 38 25 (--)
Debbie Bowles 38 25 (--)
Fuzzfaces Galore 38 25 (--)
suds 38 25 (--)
The Campi Machine 38 25 (--)
zachmans wingers 38 25 (--)
Sean Forbes 38 25 (--)
Threepeat 38 25 (--)
Flamming Senators 38 25 (--)
Team Awesome 38 25 (--)
A.P. BURY 38 25 (--)
PURDUE RICKS PENS 38 25 (--)
GB Flyers 38 25 (--)
Seppo Kemppainen 38 25 (--)
33. Paige Faults 37 25 (--)
weenies 37 25 (--)
chris roney 37 25 (--)
Rednecks from Hockey Hell 37 25 (--)
Dog's Hog's 37 25 (--)
Mind Sweepers 37 25 (--)
Teem Kanada 37 25 (--)
Northern Lights 37 25 (--)
Fugazi 37 25 (--)
Delaware Destroyers 37 25 (--)
Mopar Muscle Men 37 25 (--)
Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37 25 (--)
garryola 37 25 (--)
Oakville Brothers 37 25 (--)
Sam & His Dogs 37 25 (--)
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Jan Stein 37 25 (--)
frank's little wankers 37 25 (--)
Milton Keynes Kings 37 25 (--)
The promise land 37 25 (--)
Rangers Of Destiny 37 25 (--)
54. New Zealand Leafs 36 25 (--)
Loaded Weapons 36 25 (--)
Bloom County All-Stars 36 25 (--)
Robarts Research Rebels 36 25 (--)
Tiger Chung Lees 36 25 (--)
goddess of fermentation 36 25 (--)
make beliefs 36 25 (--)
Rob Del Mundo 36 25 (--)
Heikki Salmi 36 25 (--)
The Underwriters 36 25 (--)
Muller n Walker 36 25 (--)
Controversy Warriors 36 25 (--)
Bjorkloven 36 25 (--)
Norway Killerwhales 36 25 (--)
Holsteins SFB 36 25 (--)
buffalo soldiers 36 25 (--)
Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 36 25 (--)
FRACK ATTACK 36 25 (--)
Houdini's Magicians 36 25 (--)
The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 36 24 (--)
Rangers Blow 36 25 (--)
75. Dave Hiebert 35 25 (--)
Yan Loke 35 25 (--)
Canadian Gladiators 35 25 (--)
littlest giants 35 25 (--)
Alf's All-Stars 35 25 (--)
The Ice Kickers 35 25 (--)
Beer Makes Me An Expert 35 25 (--)
Force 25 35 25 (--)
Mr Creosote 35 25 (--)
The Goobmeister 35 25 (--)
The Mulberry Maulers 35 25 (--)
Rev's Rebels 35 25 (--)
BOSSE 35 25 (--)
Zippety Doodah 35 25 (--)
Kramer George and Jerry 35 25 (--)
DehraDun Maawalis 35 25 (--)
Sludge 35 25 (--)
j's rock'em sock'ems 35 25 (--)
brians bloodletters 35 25 (--)
Grant Marven 35 25 (--)
Arctic Circles 35 25 (--)
all the kane's men 35 25 (--)
trevor's triumph 35 25 (--)
Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 35 25 (--)
Goaldingers 35 25 (--)
Bjoern Leaguen 35 25 (--)
Habs Playing Golf 35 25 (--)
102. Shigella 34 25 (--)
New Jersey Rob 34 25 (--)
Steves Superstars 34 25 (--)
Big Bay Bombers 34 25 (--)
Doug Bowles 34 25 (--)
Neural Netters 34 25 (--)
LIPPE 34 25 (--)
Lets Go Pandas 34 25 (--)
Les Raisins 34 25 (--)
Daves knee jerk picks 34 25 (--)
Monica Loke 34 25 (--)
Jason team 34 25 (--)
RENEB 34 25 (--)
Schott Shooters 34 25 (--)
Gilles Carmel 34 25 (--)
Lewey's Lakers 34 25 (--)
smithw 34 25 (--)
East City Jokers 34 25 (--)
Daryl Turner 34 25 (--)
Doug Mraz 34 25 (--)
Skriko Wolves 34 25 (--)
IceMachine 34 25 (--)
Lamp Lighters 34 25 (--)
On Thin Ice 34 25 (--)
JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 34 25 (--)
127. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 33 25 (--)
Comfortably Numb 33 25 (--)
Reksa fans of Oulu 33 25 (--)
Gail Hiebert 33 25 (--)
gee man 33 25 (--)
But Wait Theres more 33 25 (--)
marcs maulers 33 25 (--)
Danielle Leblanc 33 25 (--)
Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 33 25 (--)
Ottawa Bearcats 33 25 (--)
Boops Bets 33 25 (--)
triple X 33 25 (--)
Timo Ojala 33 25 (--)
Flying pigs 33 25 (--)
141. The Eradicators 32 25 (--)
Van Isle Colonists 32 25 (--)
Commitments 32 25 (--)
bure's blur 32 25 (--)
Great Scott 32 25 (--)
weasels 32 25 (--)
Tequila Shooters 32 25 (--)
Whiters 32 25 (--)
Frasses Faceplants 32 25 (--)
High Stickers 32 25 (--)
Mak Paranjape 32 25 (--)
Lord Stanley's Favourites 32 25 (--)
San Jose Mahi Mahi 32 25 (--)
Oz 32 25 (--)
E.I.S 32 25 (--)
Mann Mariners 32 24 (--)
JFZ Dream Team 32 25 (--)
Stacey Ross 32 25 (--)
Louisiana Psycho Killers 32 25 (--)
La Coupe Stainless 32 25 (--)
161. fighting amish 31 25 (--)
Evan Pritchard 31 25 (--)
Stanias Stars 31 25 (--)
Pens Dynasty 31 25 (--)
oceanweavers 31 25 (--)
go go gagit 31 25 (--)
Myllypuro Hedgehogs 31 25 (--)
Arm & Hammer 31 25 (--)
Legzryx 31 25 (--)
Chapman Chaps 31 25 (--)
Dean Martin 31 25 (--)
Cherry Bombers 31 25 (--)
173. Sluggo's Hosers 30 25 (--)
Anson Mak 30 25 (--)
Knights on a Power Play 30 25 (--)
176. Canuck Force 29 25 (--)
butt ends 29 25 (--)
beam team 29 25 (--)
JUKURIT 29 25 (--)
Chapman Sticks 29 25 (--)
Ken De Cruyenaere 29 25 (--)
gax goons 29 25 (--)
Tampere Salami 29 25 (--)
Sparky's Select 29 25 (--)
185. Hillside Raiders 28 25 (--)
Eldoret Elephants 28 25 (--)
Jane's World 28 25 (--)
the ALarmers 28 25 (--)
189. Rolaids Required 27 25 (--)
Chip n Dale 27 25 (--)
Brian Bergman 27 25 (--)
192. Killer Kings 26 25 (--)
Montys Nords 26 25 (--)
194. Arsenal Maple Leafs 25 18 (--)
Martin's Gag 25 25 (--)
196. Equipe Du Jour 24 25 (--)
197. lisa's luggers 23 25 (--)
--
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HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253
During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Until recently I always understood the term "kingdom theology" to mean the
theology of the kingdom of God, but now I have discovered that there is a
new and more specialized meaning. I gather that it is also called "Dominion
theology", and that it has to do with a belief that Christians must create a
theocratic form of government on earth before Christ will come again.
I have not come across anyone who believes or advocates this, but I am told
that it is a very widespread belief in the USA.
Can anyone give me any more information about it?
Here are some of my questions:
1. Is it the teaching of any particular denomination? If so, which?
2. Where and when does it start?
3. Are there any particular publications that propagate it?
4. Are there any organizations that propagate it?
============================================================
Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za Fidonet: 5:7101/20
steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of
the Faculty of Theology at Unisa
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Believe it or not, we DO have phone books, but the current information does
not include an area code for Edmonton Alberta.
I would not be so hostile towards others for asking simple questions...
"I would rather appear stupid than open my moutha nd remove all doubt."
-Mark Twain
--
"If you assult someone you get 5 years--In hockey, 5 minutes.
Is this a great sport or what?!"
Kevin D. Frank kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Howdy,
I'm a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the
knowledge and expertise available here.
The Subject: After-market cruise controls
The Background:
I recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five
screws, yuk! :-( ). In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my
home) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah. As you can imagine, trying to
drive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn't just the epitome of
a good time. My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do
all the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle.
My question:
What is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units? I
realize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn't going to
be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a
thing). And I uderstand that I probably can't expect much in the way of
accuracy, looks and that sort of thing; But anything's gotta be better than
trying to drive with a hosed ankle.
I have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with
kettering(sp?) ignition (y'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not
electronic. Maybe you could've guessed it being an '84, but I'm just trying
to give information as completly as I can).
I found a CC unit for 80 bucks. It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system
instead of an electric servor/motor. Is this good or bad? If I did buy
this CC, which vacuum hose should I tap?
It has two speed sensors: One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the
negative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I
understand. I can use either one. Which is best? The manual says (I read
it in the store today) that the magnetic/axle set-up is more accurate, but
harder to install. Is there really a big difference?
It has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a
sensor for the clutch pedal. So if I wasn't paying real close attention I
might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up. Which
would wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned
the thing off. I'm pretty coordinated, so this doesn't bother me, if it
were for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I'm ok with it.
The installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal
and a switched-on brake signal. I think I can get a switched brake signal
from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse. Am I right? But I'm
not sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what
exactly it is? Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get
it?
I think I can figure the other things out. Like how to hook-up the negative
side tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and
all that miscellaneous business. But I need a little help with:
1. Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a
device?
2. Is there any particularly good after-market CC?
3. Are "professionally" installed CCs signifacantly better and
worth the cabbage?
4. If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just
that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple
needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically,
the questions above)?
My father and I built a "Veep" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in
high school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and
cars. So the installation doesn't scare me. I just want to be certain that
I get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more
complicated than my Veep. :-)
I appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any
expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject. If you would like to share
some of your wisdom, please email as I don't get over this group very often
(but I check my mail all the time).
Again, thanks for any help anyone may have.
Mike Wieda
Mikew@canc.byu.edu
| 7rec.autos |
In article <FOX.93Apr20083448@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>No one has time to chase down every rumor that gets printed
>in the National Enquirer or whatever. The point is to wait
>and see if the assertions of the (rather bizarre) original
>post will be corroborated in any way. Perhaps they will.
>The recent posts of the rather bizarre original poster speak
>for themselves.
This story was in the LA Times a few months ago.
The Clinton administration is exploring every avenue of
"revenue enhancement", but not all will be chosen.
There was a funny cartoon in Sunday's NY Times: "Bill
Clinton's Calendar". Every day was April 15.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>#8 LARRY DEPALMA Season: 3rd
>Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Minnesota
>Grade: I (C-/D+)
>No netter/fan watching the Sharks, including me, knows where DePalma was at
>the end of the season; the Sharks appeared to still have his rights, but he
>wasn't in San Jose, he wasn't in Kansas City, and his name hasn't appeared on
>the waiver wire.
Sorry, Nelson, but you forgot to ask me. If you check the THN stats for
Kansas City, you'll find that Larry has been playing for the games, having
played in 8 games in the period covered in the stats between 3/26 and the
4/16 issue (1-3-4 with 13 PIM). Not exactly invisible.
>He then was sent down to
>Kansas City, walked out from there, and was suspended and later reinstated
>when it was revealed that he was injured; he then promptly disappeared from
>the watching eyes of Shark Bytes (as the mailing list is now known to Sharks
>officials) faithful, and neither the Sharks nor we miss him.
Well, having gotten to a chance to talk to him a few times, this isn't quite
accurate. He injured his back (a disk injury) and did one stupid thing,
which was to hide it from the Sharks and he tried to play through it because
he knew he was on the bubble. The Sharks then sent him to K.C., at which
point he disclosed the injury. Since he didn't disclose it, the Sharks and
he disagreed about the responsibility and he was suspended for not
reporting. That was eventually worked out, the Sharks re-instated him as
injured and put him into therapy, and when he was able to play then shipped
him down to K.C. He fully expects to play in the NHL again, although clearly
not with the Sharks (hiding injuries is a stupid no-no, beyond just a
no-no).
Very nice guy. Always hustled his butt off. He disappeared because he was
hurt. I expect he'll surface with another team at some point (probably
another expansion team), but is likely to be a bubble player for the rest of
his career. Has a good work ethic and is good at getting other players
motivated. Unfortunately, he played himself out of the Sharks future with a
bad judgement call.
>#20 JOHN CARTER Season: 4th
>Acquired: '91-92, free agent from Boston
>Grade: I (B+/B)
> He
>is very unlikely to be back next season.
Always gave 110%, best work ethic on the club (except maybe Kisio), but
hustle isn't always enough. His future with the Sharks was made clear to me
one night against the Flames when he went behind the crease and tried to
hold Joel Otto against the board. He literally had one arm around Otto's
neck and another wrapped around Otto's stick arm. Otto casually turned
around and fed the puck in front of the crease for a goal, as though Carter
wasn't there. Hustle can only cover size so far.
The Sharks have told me, point blank, that he's gone for good (ditto HUbie
McDonough). He was one of the favorites of the staff, but as one said to me
"you have to make room for the kids". Carter, in fact, refused to report to
K.C. and has been suspended by the Sharks. That might be a defacto
retirement, but I haven't heard anything official. His only hope in hockey
now is the Gulls.
>#28 JEAN-FRANCOIS QUINTIN Season: 1st
>Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft
>Grade: I (B+/B)
>I don't understand why the Sharks didn't let Quintin play any more than the
>14 games he played this season.
Because, at least from the games I saw him in, he was outmatched and looked
fairly lost on the ice. I think he shows potential, but I didn't think he
was quite ready to make the jump to the NHL.
> He should be a solid contender for regular duty next season.
Agreed (BTW, I still think a lot of your grades are more based on how you
wish they'd performed than how they actually performed. I wonder whether you
can really judge talent from radio and television, Nelson? I know I have
trouble, since you don't see the off-puck action. your views from home and
my views from the ice differ in numerous ways)
>#41 MARK BEAUFAIT Season: 1st
>Acquired: 2nd round pick in 1991 supplemental draft
>Grade: I (?)
>After a all-star season at Kansas City, Beaufait got a cup of coffey with the
Coffee. Coffey is with the Red Wings.
>#45 DODY WOOD Season: 1st
>Acquired: 3rd round pick in 1991 entry draft
>Grade: I (D+/D, although perhaps I shouldn't give a grade at all)
>I have been accused of knocking on Wood too much.
You? Nah...
He was seriously unimpressive, even as a tough guy (his rep). However, as
few games as he had in a season that was at that point meaningless, I hate
to judge the talent too quickly. Butn in Dody's case, I"m tempted to make an
exception.
But I won't.
--
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one
>to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the
>spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used!
I have just a couple of questions about this technique.
First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer
finger or my pinky? Left hand or right?
And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted
for. Any suggestions?
/andy
| 7rec.autos |
Does anyone have a manual for an Artec 14" NI monitor? I need the
specs. Thanks.
Rob Malouf
malouf@csli.stanford.edu
--
Rob Malouf
malouf@csli.stanford.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes:
> In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:
>>
>>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning
>>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I
>
> A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than
> them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,
> and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the
> cleaner yourself for $1.29.
This should not be the case if they are at all reputable. Fuel injector
cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is
hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure. The car is actually run on
the solvent during the cleaning process. The equipment to properly do this is
pricey, and generally not something the average home mechanic has. The solvent
itself is not very expensive ($5-$8) and you could probably make up a hose to
fit your system and do it yourself, but I didn't tell you that... :-)
Not many in-tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on. There has been a
discussion of these products on here from time to time, and Chevron Techron
(not Pro-Gard with Techron) is generally regarded as the best. It is, however,
a bit more than $1.29 a bottle. IMHO, it will not substitute for proper
injector cleaning if they are really crudded up. You'll have to decide if the
$59 price is a better deal than spending your time and/or buying equipment to
do it.
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| 7rec.autos |
In article <66018@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:
>The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the
>true position of reason in this group.
I agree, we spend too much energy on the nonexistance of God.
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
| 0alt.atheism |
d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu writes:
> In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula <DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> >I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an
> >octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives?
>
> No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the
> fish at UNH games....)
>
Actually, the way I understand it, it is an octapus.
Apparently, a number of years ago, a fan threw an octapus on
the ice and the announcer said "Octapi will not occupy the ice"
or something like that, and it's happened ever since. The fans
cheer those who pick up the dead octapus with their hands, and
boo those who use a shovel.
Matt at UVA
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
In article <generous.734035090@nova>, generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes:
|>
|> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under
|> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access
|> the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools
|> to access this device?
|>
|> Appreciate any info/comments.
|>
|> --curtis
|> --
|> Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140
|> NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546
Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination. You can buy it from the mail order vendors.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
In article <1993Apr16.204207.24564@eff.org> Danny Weitzner <djw@eff.org>
writes:
>The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom
>hold 40-bits of each key.
Presumably, the key split is so that no one group controls the privacy
of the key, and that it would be infeasible to illicitly gain access from
both agents.
However, if one agent wishes to break the crypto without the cooperation
of the other agent, a 40-bit key is not going to stand in the way of a
brute force attack. If an agency (for example, the NSA) were to hold one
of the two key-halves, then I don't imagine they really need the other half of
the key to start listening in.
Or was that the point? <grin>
(This is not to imply, at all, that I like the idea of the rest of the
system.)
--
Lee Brintle | ``And so, I leave you with this final word:
Director, Project Panda | twang.''
| 11sci.crypt |
dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes:
> Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close.
>
> You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up.
> He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That
> wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what
> happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and
> THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise
> been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I
> have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should
> receive all of the praise being paid to jesus.
Lucky for them that the baby didn't have any obvious deformities! I could
just see it now: Mary gets pregnant out of wedlock so to save face she and
Joseph say that it was God that got her pregnant and then the baby turns
out to be deformed, or even worse, stillborn! They'd have a lot of
explaining to do.... :-)
> Dave "Buckminster" Fuller
> How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ?
Nanci
.........................................................................
If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me
email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):
Life does not cease to be funny when people die, any more than it ceases to
be serious when people laugh.
| 0alt.atheism |
In article <C5HvFs.4Dw@news.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <14APR93.19061416@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>David Tate writes:
>>>Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he
>>>can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or
>>>anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated.
>>Moe Berg, my hero! We were just talking about him on Monday at the
>>Yankee game. Well, there's a book about him that's just been reissued:
>>I think the title is _Moe Berg: Athlete, Scholar, Spy_, by Tom Sewell
>>and two other people whose names I forget. Sewell wrote the chapter
>>on Berg in Danny Peary's book _Cult Baseball Players_; this is a good
>>source for some of the more famous anecdotes about Berg. Also excellent
>>is the section on him in Bill Gilbert's book _They Also Served_, about
>>baseball during WWII. I'm told Berg's spy activities are mentioned in
>>the recent book _Heisenberg's War_.
>His sister also "wrote" a book about Moe that she self-published. The
>title is something like _My Brother, Morris Berg_. It's mainly some of
>her memories and page after page of Xerox copies of pictures and letters
>that Moe had saved. Copies are kinda hard to find, but the Smith Baseball
>Library has one for those in Minneapolis...
We have one here, at Berg's alma mater (class of 1923). It's kind of
a sour thing; she disapproved of the job that Sewell et al had done.
Roger
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces.
Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe
even C source??
Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s
| 1comp.graphics |
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| 6misc.forsale |
From article <1993Apr10.032604.22668@csus.edu>, by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
>
> All the liberals on this newsgroup that think morality should not be
> legislated, need to stuff it. I'll take morality over the drug plague,
> the AIDS plague, the kids shooting kids in school, the pedophilers, the
> explosion in child abuse that is happening now, etcetera etcetera -
> those things are tangible. All that liberal feel-good b.s. about "We
> can't legislate morality because.... well.... well just because!" needs
> to find the fastest route back to its homeland.. RUSSIA and Marxism.
Hmmm...let's see here - the drugs in question are illegal,
kids shooting kids (actually people shooting people) is illegal,
sex with children is illegal, child abuse is illegal, etcetera etcetera.
Yep, it sure looks like the legislation of your morality is working like
a charm.
> Uh, people have killed in the name of "God," too, though this century
> has proven that no "Holy" war can quite match the bloodlust of
> anti-religious Marxism. Examples: The USSR, 30-40 million (adult, born)
> people killed (various political purges, etc.); China, xx million killed
> since Mao Tsu Tung first painted their land Red (and for China, they're
> still killing); the list goes on. All these countries banned religion
> and promised their people a Utopia when they were "freed from God." But
> that still doesn't erase the fact that they took their title of
> TheWorld'sMostBloodthirsyInstitution out of the hands of none other than
> the religious faithful, who had held it for 1900 years before that.
> (Hell even Hitler couldn't top what Stalin did in Russia but until
> recently no one has been willing to discuss that much, so by default
> Hitler remains the model dictator and villain when in fact Stalin was
> much his superior in that awful, deplorable sense.)
So religion and totalitarianism seem to be kissin' cousins.
I'll pass on both, thank you kindly.
>
> The use of "God" does NOT NECESSARILY MEAN the killing will stop. Please
> consider that.
The use of "Gawd" seems to encourage killing.
>
>
>>I want the phrase "under God" removed from our pledge also. God
>>doesn't deserve that insult.
>
> Oh yeah and you better stop using money because "In God We Trust" can
> be found on the back of the dollar bill....
And you'll stop buying food when the mark of the beast is
required, eh?
terry
| 18talk.politics.misc |
In article <293@kc2wz.bubble.org> bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) writes:
>kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) says:
>>Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology
>>paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the
>>TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the
>
>Take a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal
>messages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image
>can't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed.
Well, yes and no. The _image_ can't be on the screen less than 1/30
of a second, but a _mixture_ of images that's about 90% of the field
that was supposed to be there and 10% of the 'subliminal' addition
could be overlaid for one field, producing the same overall effect to
our sluggish retinae of a discrete image projected for 1/300 second.
..although, like the previous poster, I have to reserve my doubts
about the effectiveness of said discrete image in steering my
subconscious around ..
--
<BGB>
lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't
(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that
from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.
| 12sci.electronics |
Does anybody have any information on the second generation Broncos? (I'm
not talking about Bronco II's, I'm referring to the Broncos that began
production in 1978 based on the F-150 chassis I believe)
I need to know what to look for, can the tops be removed from all
models, how easily can that be done. Also, what kind of price range
should I be looking at? (i.e. what is blue book) I'm in college right
now, and would like a Jeep. Unfortunately, I've got a bit of a ride to
school, and I need to carry a lot of junk to and from the dormitory in
the spring/fall. I think that the Bronco (with the removable fiberglass)
would be a better (read "bigger") choice than a CJ-5 or CJ-7.
Even better: anybody in the Maryland/Virginia area interested in selling
one?
George Howell
george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org
| 7rec.autos |
85 honda civic dx hatchback
----------------------------
metallic light blue
new clutch and new brakes
runs great
asking $2,900
Email davek@ncd.com or call Dave Kim at 415-691-2802.
| 6misc.forsale |
In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes:
> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus
> our use of the Ohms...
Yeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite.
Rich
| 12sci.electronics |
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