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How about you? Well, um, I don't have that, I don't have that are experience to share Lucky you. I, I do, I do listen to a lot of, you know, I do, I switch the stations a lot because I don't have a cassette player in my car. Um, um. Uh-huh. Uh, uh, however, I, I do, I do like a lot of different forms of music so I switch quite often. Um, I think I like, I, I'm really particular about the type of music that I listen to. Uh-huh. But, the, uh, there's such a wide selection, I think I like a lot, I like a little bit of a lot of different types of music. You know, I, I, I like music that is, that I feel if it is performed correctly or if it's done right, or if the version is done right, I like it Yeah. but, if, if it's not, then I won't. I, I really don't, How do you feel about rap music?
Rap. It seems to be so popular these days. Yeah. Well, I, I don't really have anything against rap music. I, the one thing I do object to about rap music is, is when it becomes militant, or, if it's, uh, violence oriented. Uh-huh. Right. I, I have strong objections to that. Um, actually I listen to, one time I remember, this was back when, even, uh, I would say about ten or fifteen years ago I, When it was really just starting. Yeah, right when it was just starting, I heard what was called talking blues, which actually is rap. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, it was about,
the, the piece of music, the piece of music was about, I think about forty or fifty years old. And, it was incredible, I mean, the parallel, you know, between it and rap. Right. And, um, you, you listen a lot, if you, if you hear a lot of old gospel, uh, uh, especially well, the black gospel. You know, you will, you know, you can really pick it up. I mean, Yeah, you really. It seemed to be influenced by a lot of different music. A lot of times you'll hear songs that you know, they're not original, but have been put to a rap kind of a rhythm. Yeah. And, uh, sounds, it sounds so much different and yet, I, I have a much younger sister who listens to a lot of rap music and, uh, she thinks its pretty funny how often I know all of the words to songs that she's listening to, and yet, she thought they were brand new, original pieces. Yeah. Yeah. they, they do, they do copy versions, they do cover versions of, of, you know, like standards, I guess you could call it. That's right. I think it's kind of absurd, you know, the fact that, you know, they don't really, they don't really give, you know, the original artist, or the original composer, the credit that is really due to them.
No. Yeah, I guess there was even a, a bit of ruckus caused by the M C Hammer, who's really, you know, Yeah. seems to be the hot one of, of today. He used, um, WILD THING. Do you remember that, that song. Yeah. he used, um, I can't remember who the artist was on that. Jimi Hendrix was the original. Who? Jimi Hendrix was the original. He wrote Was it, well, maybe it wasn't that one. Because, it was a living, it was a living person that I'm, I'm thinking of that, um, that said, "You know, hey that, those are my words." Okay. And, uh, I guess that they, because they hadn't originally gotten, um, permission, from him to use it. Uh-huh.
And, he, he since then has, has amended that, and paid them his royalties every time the, the song goes on but, Yeah. I don't know it may have, it may have been somebody else, because I think, I think that even Jimi Hendrix did it, I think that was a you know, come to think of it, I think that was a cover version of, like a John Lee Hooker song, or something, Maybe so. I, I, can't think. I mean it was just like, it was really old. I mean I, I, there are a lot, there are so many different songs, I mean like the whole thing about cover versions a lot of times. I mean I've heard some songs that, that I just thought were horrendous cover versions of, I'm like, you know, I, I don't want to listen to this. Because you know, you think of the original is like, Yeah. you know, oh, that was really great. That was a, you know, a really good piece of work, and then when you hear the cover it's like, you know, God, what are they doing. Right.
They destroyed it. I, I think a good one was, um, there was a Peter Frampton song, Oh, yeah! and, then the cover version, I think, I mean, I thought, was absolutely, it was pitiful. I, I remember seeing the video of it on M T V, and I thought it was hideous. Yeah. I did too. It was, ugh, I didn't like that either. Yeah, but you know, whatever became of Peter Frampton. I mean, there was nothing, he was a phenomenon, I there was no reason for him to really come into, you know, great stardom or anything. I remember, I saw him in a concert, when I was, Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think it,
I think it was in high school. Yeah, I think that probably what did it for him was the fact that he was a good stage performer. Uh-huh. He was very good. I remember I saw him in a huge stadium in, uh, Philadelphia. It was in J F K Stadium, if I can remember. Oh man. Hundreds of thousands of people is what it seemed like. Yeah. I've, I graduated back in seventy-nine, so, Um, um. Uh-huh. but, but I've really, I, I loved, I mean, I was, I was really into the album oriented music, even then, Uh-huh. so I was really familiar with a lot, with a lot of, of the A O R type music. Um, the album oriented like the, uh, James Taylor, and, the, uh, the Beatles, Oh, yeah.
and you know, I mean, a lot of people they go, they're better than the Beatles, and I'm like, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. No I mean, the comparison made between New Kids On The Block with the Beatles It was just, You can only laugh Yeah, you just sort of, you know, well I guess I can just humor them, you know At this point. Right well, they, I guess our age is showing when, we, we think that. Yeah, but well, you know, I, I, I've liked a lot of the new music. I think, um, um, when Uh-huh. I saw some promise, you know, with, with a lot of the new wave, when it, when it came out, uh, back in the mid and early eighties. Yeah. And then, um, I don't know music is kind of in a weird, it's in a very weird position right now. I think that,
I mean, I like, you know, things like to hear, you know, what they call world music. Which is, you know, using all these natural forms of music and, Like Paul Simon. Like, Yeah, yeah, Paul Simon. Yeah. Well, you know, really that's not world music. But, what, what Paul Simon's doing, I think is, is, is great because he's, you know I think, I think that using, I guess what they call it is eclectic, you know. drawing from a lot of different sources and making, you know, a synthesis of a new type of music. Um, Yeah. What do you mean by world music? Well, world music is, um, a lot of the, a lot of where they, where they make music that they adapt to a, to another kind of, to another type of listener. Uh-huh. Uh, for example, let's say you're taking like an original Brazilian form of music and, with a certain style, and then you try to make it a little bit more listenable for, let's say another audience, let's say a North American. Uh-huh. And, then when they hear it, it, it's a really, it's another form of music, and, you know, sort of, um, trying to draw out the best sources. Um.
The, the best of every type of music. Right. Because, I mean, there are some, I mean, I, I there are some, you know, types of heavy metal that I really like, but, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that I, I completely like heavy metal. No. I, I think, you know, and it's the same way with, you know, world music takes the forms that have really been, um, I guess, I you know, the best example or, you know, the cream of the crop, I guess you could say, and then, and then taking those, those qualities, and then applying, in the styles, that are really, um, that are extremely enjoyable, and then taking, So then it becomes a kind of music of, of its own, so to speak, or, uh, Yeah, yeah, it becomes a kind of music of its own. I mean, when you listen to it, it's um, uh, I think that they don't use,
some of it, it's, they use electronic and acoustic interchangeably, Uh-huh. so, you know, well a lot of the stuff you hear coming from South Africa now, and from West Africa, that's considered world music, because it's not particularly using certain types of folk styles. Right. But, they're, they're trying to make it somewhat more modern. I, I, I, a good, another good example was I heard Miles Davis, and Miles Davis worked with Robbie Shoncar, if you can believe it, I mean, Uh-huh. Uh-huh You know, he's a jazz performer, and then he's playing with Robbie Shoncar, who's a very good, he's a very good arranger. Uh, arrangement to, uh, we're going to have to get off. The, are they trying to , I don't know.
But, uh, We've talked our five minutes though. Yeah, okay, but, I mean, when I heard his album, I heard it and it was just incredible. I've been listening to that a lot lately. Yeah, I, I listened and, I heard, you know, you hear this guitar, and then you hear the muted trumpet. I me, and you never would think that they, that they can actually play together but, Oh yeah. Okay, I don't know, which end do we push but okay,
Okay, well, um, let's see, I, I think there's a lot of people that don't vote because they don't really think their, their, uh, opinion is going to be heard and, you know, there's such a small voice and such a huge number of people in the United States and that, you know, their, vote's not going to make that much difference and whether you vote for one person or the other person, the issues is what, you know, what you believe in, and that person is going to have a lot of, uh, since there's so many issues, this one person can believe a lot of different ways on, all of them Right, yeah. so, it would be really difficult to have that one perfect person that believed exactly what you believed. That's true, you know, a lot of people, uh, uh, I think the, that it ends up the people that, uh, vote every time, uh, elections come around are more the, the polly, uh, the party type followers, the guys that, uh, you know, follow the party lines, you know, and, they, you know, just go in Yeah. and if they're Republican they vote Republican every year, you know, and, uh, the people that are independent, you know, are the ones that don't, uh, don't really, uh, show up every year because they can't seem to, to decide which are the good aspects and which are the bad aspects of a candidate. Right,
yeah, Yeah. that's good. I always thought it was back when Anderson was running, I was hoping that things would change and he'd actually get elected and party politics would start going down the tubes, but, um that didn't work. Yeah. Yeah, there's, uh, a lot of extremes on the parties, too, with the you know, the real, uh, far side of the Democrats they're real liberal now and to where probably fifty or a hundred years ago, um, the Democrat party being liberal like they are now, you know, would never be thought of, it would be the other way that the Republicans were real liberal minded as far as like, uh, moral standings and those kinds of things. Uh-huh. But, Yeah, yeah, that's, uh, and then, and then people always get upset about it, too, because, you know, every year the, the, the politicians are the ones that are usually pushing for more people to vote, Uh-huh they, they each think that, uh, if more people vote, they'll get more votes, huh? Yeah
I'm always amazed at that, that each candidate thinks it's going to be the people that come out that will vote for him, you know. Yeah. That's, that's true. I think in, uh, the Texas governor elections, I think more people turned out to vote against somebody than for somebody, this time. Yeah, well, that, uh, I know that there's certain issues that can really motivate people because we live in a predominately Catholic type area, Oh, really? and when things start, uh, when, when abortion comes on the issues and people just get all inspired, you know, Right. and, uh, still on the other hand we're also, uh, this particular community is a Catholic community but, uh, uh, down in D C where, where things are a little bit different, uh, you know, it's, it's women's rights and the, and that sort of movement, and so it's, uh, quite the opposite, so elections start getting very, uh, the elections where they have that topic seem to be a little bit better attended than some of the other ones. Yeah, that's true. But, uh,
Yeah, that's true that the different places in America that, uh, you know, different issues would be a lot more important than say in another place. Yeah, I can understand why, why some of the, the rural areas, the voter turnout isn't as much because it does seem sometimes like the lobbyists in D C are like controlling things for the, the Midwest, Uh-huh and, uh, it doesn't matter who they put in office, they're going to fall subject to, uh, the pressure that the lobbyists can put, Right. Yeah, and it's, uh, real true that, uh, you know, they'll say one thing, to get elected, and then once they do get elected, they don't have the power or the authority or the willingness to do those things that they promised, you know, beforehand. Right. You know, maybe it just wasn't possible at all in the first place, you know, like the no new taxes thing. You know, that's, uh, with the economy going the way it is and everything, that was nearly ridiculous thing to, even try to do. Yeah Yeah. Well, I don't think he's going to have to worry about that next year. I think he can probably raise taxes and still get elected. Right Uh,
Right, after the war. Uh-huh. That really, uh, Unfortunately that will probably even drop lower, the voters turndown, even more because more Democrats will think that they don't have a shot so they won't even bother turning out. Uh, that's true, yeah. They'll just say, oh, well, you know, the Republicans have this election we'll see you in four years. Right. Yeah. hope some of the local, well that's what they, they keep saying that it seems like people with old-fashioned values are the ones that aren't turning out at the, at the booths, they, they say that these older voters that, uh, you know, they, they feel like the kids are running the, the country so they, they don't come out, turn out to vote and they're the ones that, uh, you know, really know what's going on, have the experience and seen, you know, how politicians can, you know, screwup or what ever. Uh-huh. But, I know, my grandmother hasn't voted in years. Right,
that's, you know, neither has mine as a matter of fact. And, uh, that's true, they, I think they look at it as, well everybody, the majority of the people think this way, when that's not necessarily true, because, you know, that's what the media says. Well, the majority believes this way so, uh, they don't even bother turning out to vote to express their, uh, opinions. So that's, that's true. Yeah, wonder if they're going to take into account this computerized conversation that there's little children, you know, bouncing in your knee, the whole time your talking Yeah. Do you hear the dogs in the background here? No, I can't hear them. Okay, they're, the children next door just opened the fence and they went off. Oh, yeah? Yeah. But anyway, that's,
I guess we've, uh, talked long enough and, uh, that was sort of interesting. Yeah What part of the country are you from? Uh, Washington, D C, Are you really? Uh-huh. Wow. This is, I'm in, from, this is Dallas where I'm at. Oh, okay. The outskirts of Dallas. Well, I figured with Texas Instruments they'd probably have a few, uh, Texans on the line now and then. Yeah, do, do you work for T I in any way? No, huh-uh. Wow, how did you, how did they get you?
Um, they , they went through engineering companies, Oh. and, uh, we're communications. I, I work in a communications company. Oh, okay, right. I work for T I so, we saw it on the, uh, T News one day and I thought, wow, that might be interesting. Yeah. sort of different. Yeah. They called me at, uh, ten o'clock one night, that was very strange. Yeah. I guess they were doing Eastern Standard Time. I was like, I don't know how long it takes whether it takes five minutes or twenty minutes. Yeah, Central Standard Time is what they're doing it by.
Yeah. Yeah. I still haven't figured out what the zero through six days which day is which yet but, I didn't study it that hard so maybe I'll figure it out. Uh-huh. But, anyway, it was nice to talk to you and, uh, sort of meet you, and, that was an interesting topic. Okay. Yeah. Okay, well, if your ever in, uh, D C, come look up Wayne Sherman , you'll say oh, yeah, talked to that guy. Okay. I'm, I'm Kyle Hunt, too, if you ever come to, to Dallas area. Oh. Okay. We live right by the airport. Yeah, yeah, so do we.
Oh, okay. Yeah, right next to Dulles. Yeah. All right, I'll talk to you later Okay. Bye-bye. Bye. Back by that. The, uh, uh, you know there are so many ramifications to this entire thing of woman, how women have changed, Uh-huh. uh, look at them, in England, Margaret Thatcher was prime minister, uh, Indira Ghandi , uh, in India, Uh-huh. so many, uh, women are heads of state and I, you know, we, we keep saying oh yes, we feel some day a woman will be president. But, uh, I have some question, whether or not they will ever really get around to that. I think we'll have a black president before we have a women president. Uh-huh.
And, uh, I don't know whether that's bad or good, it's just a point that I have observed that we, Yeah, I, I, yeah, I, I, I truly believe that, that before that, that we have to address the racial, racial issues in the United States, before we can go anywhere. Yes. Right. Um, because it is so, you know, it's, Uh, oh. Hello. Uh, oh, I think, we're, we're supposed to hang up. Yeah, well it wasn't the matter of wealth, it was the matter that they were not wealthy, that made them equal. Yes. Well, I'll talk to you later, All right. Thank you. Bye, bye.
Okay. Bye-bye. Okay, uh, what do you think about, uh, the idea of having volunteer service for everyone? Uh, I think that, uh, really it wouldn't hurt most of the young people of the country to have to go and do voluntary service. Uh, and, you know, I mean, there have been so many people that have done it and I've talked with several and I think they've gotten a lot out of it. Well, are you doing any kind of volunteer work now? Not right now, but I have done, uh, Red Cross work and, uh, I've taught C P R training What about, when, when would people do it, when they finished high school? I think probably as soon as they finished high school it would be ideal, because a lot of times, if they go straight into college I think they're going in too quick but, I think particular boys that the maturity, in fact I wasn't very mature when I left high school and I think there's a, there's a real challenge there. There's also this, this issue of, of, uh, you know, whether you're really ready, and I think it gives a different perspective.
Right, uh, I, I think if you've been out of school a year, year and a half, before you start to college, you appreciate college more, than someone that just goes right straight into college. The only complication is, is, is how do you fund something like this? Well, a lot of parents fund their children. There are, uh, some groups that have their children, you know, go away for a year. Even the religious organizations. Yeah, I think the Mormon church has, sends out missionaries that, Right. And the parents fund them for the whole year, year and a half that they're gone. That's, uh, it's interesting. It gets them away from home and, and gets them to do something useful, although the kids today, though, it, it seems that almost that their concern for money, I, we were doing some investigating colleges and said the kids are much more interested today in, in trying to find a job, study something that will give them a job as opposed to, be curious, be curious as to if, if there was, if there was mandatory, you could choose the option of either a mandatory military service or voluntary, do you think that would be reasonable? I think it would. In, in Israel, the, even the women are, are required to, to be in the military for a certain period of time.
Uh, I was in the military, and I personally feel if, if they have the draft, that they should draft women as quickly as they do the men. Well, but, the, the issue of, of, of, which, what, what would, what would you find, what would you have them do? You know there are a lot of people around with, there's a lot of unemployment right now. What would you have these people do if they were brought in? What, into the service? Well, yeah. Or, Or say, say the volunteer, say that, say that it was mandatory. Well I, I, I think that they ought to have something for the, the unemployed in a voluntary field like the, uh, I don't know if you know, remember about the W P A, Yes, my father was in the C C C . He was in that? I mean, you know, uh, it's not the best thing in the world, but, uh, it gave them something to do. Well, it seems that there's some things like the, uh, the programs at least just go around and, and, and clean up streets and, and, and pick up trash and even aluminum cans and some of these kinds of things.
or go into the, the more depressed areas and help repair the houses. Yeah, in fact, we, we helped with, uh, oh, Help To Help Humanities, and that was a, that was a good experience, but you take the kids out and and a lot of the buildings in downtown areas that, that either need demolishing, or need fixing up, so Uh-huh. it would be a good idea. Uh, we've been doing this three or four minutes. I think that, uh, do you have any other further comments? No, not really. Well, it was good talking to you, Betty. okay, I'll talk to you later. Have a good night. Bye. Uh, books.
Yes. Mainly I read the Bible these days. That's very good. I do, too. Good, that's great to hear. Uh, and Christian literature. Uh-huh. Uh, I've kind of, I used to read a lot of, uh, novels, but it seems as though if you really want to set a side time to read the Bible and you work and and whatever, uh, that pretty well takes up your time for reading. Uh-huh. Yeah, it does. It, And I, I been praying that God would put a desire to read the Bible in my heart and he really has. It's getting, to where a just really want to read it. That's good. That's good. It, it, it's, uh, it's hard for me to find time, also, to read.
Uh, a lot of times I do just read magazines and stuff like that for, you know, because I don't have a lot of time, but when I do get to sit down and, and read, I like to read the Bible and I like to read, I read to my daughter a lot, too. Do you? And, uh, I like to read, you know, I have Bible storybooks Uh-huh, uh-huh. so I like reading those to her and she really enjoys those. So that's good. And it, and it's kind of short because we don't, woe don't have a lot of time, to, to read, Uh-huh. so, it's real enjoyable. For both of us. Yeah. Have you ever read any of Frank E Peretti's? Frank E no I guess I haven't.
Uh, THIS PRESENT DARKNESS and, uh, uh, I forget the the other, well he, uh, he's also written a lot of children, how old is your daughter. Five. Five, okay, he's written some children's books as well and they're all spiritually, uh, oriented, Oh, really? yeah. What's his name again? Peretti Frank E Peretti, Frank E Peretti P E R E T T I. I have to look for those. Uh-huh. Yeah, do because, uh, I love to read his, his, uh, children's books just
Just to read them. Well, that's good. Yeah, oh, they're good, they're great. That's good. And it's like, uh, uh, usually about a family of, uh, archaeologists and the spiritual fights that they get into, like, uh, uh, digging in old ruins, and running across, like, uh, the old gods and things. Uh-huh. Oh Yeah. Oh, that sounds pretty neat. Yeah, it is. It's real exciting. Oh, I'll have to look for those. And it also teaches them spiritual warfare you know, Right. so, Well, that's neat. Well, I I have a,
my daughter has PRECIOUS MOMENTS collection Uh-huh. and I like that because it's a, it's real easy to, uh, follow for her, you know, uh, gosh, if, if I read straight out of the Bible to her she'd never understand any of it. Well, it's hard for me. That's right It is, it is real hard to, to follow and understand, Uh-huh. and, uh, I've got a Bible that, uh, has a little bit of a, uh, a glossary in the back and it helps explain who people are. That's, that's about the hardest thing is, who's related to who I know it, and especially it's hard to keep your interest in those begats. Yeah. Yes. Yes, it sure is, but, but it is good reading and it's good for us, and and everything. Uh-huh,
that's right. I really do enjoy it. But, uh, I also, but then on the other extreme I like to read, uh, uh, I guess I don't know, horror, Steven King type books. Uh-huh, yeah, I've read a lot of his, too. The, and I, I like that, that's good fun reading. Yeah. Can't put them down. No you can't, you really can't. They are good and ooh they just, they're just so suspenseful. Uh-huh, yeah. I really do enjoy his.
Uh, there's another guy. Oh, what can, what is his name Oh, durn you would, well you know when you're recording you can't I know Uh, oh, Dean, uh, Kratz, or Kranz or, Judith Krantz? who? Judith Krantz. I know her. Uh, no, it's a guy. Oh, okay. And he, he writes the same thing, though. It's that real, gruesome horror stories. Oh. Ooh.
Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Koontz. Uh, his last name ends in a Z, I know that. Yeah, oh, I think I know who you're talking about. Uh, I've seen, I don't think I can pronounce it either, but Yeah, uh, Yeah, I'm in a book club and I think I've seen his books in there Uh-huh. I've never read any of his. But they're real, I kind of got burnt out on Steven King, though. It seems like it's all the did you ever read the, uh, uh, oh,
it's one of his first books, THE STAND. Yes. That, oh, that long thing. I know it. And that seems like all of his books have kind of come from that, I mean. Yeah, they do kind of follow or, Are similar. You know, that, Uh-huh. I love that book, though. I thought it was great. Yeah, it really was, and I loved THE SHINING. Ooh, yes That was, that was my favorite. Oh, those hedges when they started moving. Yeah, yeah. Whenever they they made that into a movie, I was thinking oh, my gosh if they show that, I'll just die.
For some reason that scared me more than anything. Yeah, that is, he just brings stuff alive, you know. Yeah. You could just visualize everything. Uh-huh. That's, And that was a pretty scary movie, too. Yeah, I think they did a pretty good job, but they didn't follow it exactly, Yeah but they did give it, you know, do it justice. Uh-huh. That's right. But, uh, most of the time they don't with, when, follow books very well when they make them into movies Yeah, that's true. I liked IT as well.
Yeah, yeah, uh, That's, another big fat one. I did, too. Yeah. Yeah, that was good. I liked, uh, I also liked, uh, CUJO. Did you read that one? Yeah, And, except it broke my heart. Yeah, I'm a dog lover. Me, too And then, uh, NIGHT STAND, is that NIGHT, No, it was, uh, DEAD, DEAD ZONE.
That's one I liked. What? DEAD ZONE. Oh, yeah. That was a, I've read that one, too. That was a real good one. He's written a lot of books. Boy, he just sits down eight hours a day. Just like any other job. I know it. Right, and then he has some under, uh, another name. That he's written. That's right. That one about the Gypsies, or that, hunger Yeah. or, uh, Yeah, uh, I think his name was Bachman. He wrote under the name of Bachman. Yeah,
Richard Bachman. Yeah. He is really interesting. Yeah, he's so prolific. Yeah Ooh, I wish I could do that Oh, I know it. And I have gone back and, after I, I graduated, I read some of the old classics that I just bluffed my way through and have found that I enjoy them quite a bit, too, uh, Uh-huh. I do, too. I love old, good old, Once you can get into the language, you know, the Yeah It's like, it's English, but it's not the same English they speak today. Right. So it's kind of hard to keep, you know, at it,
but That's true, but I, That's, that was one of my favorite subjects in school was, uh literature. Yeah, me, too. I used to love those old, good, good old books. Uh-huh. I didn't mind doing that at all Nathaniel Hawthorne is pretty scary himself. Yeah, yeah. I liked, uh, oh, gosh why can't I think of their names, uh, shoot, the one that wrote, uh, WUTHERING HEIGHTS. No, No that was another one. Yeah,
yeah. Uh, well, you know who I'm talking about Yeah. Yeah, those are good old good old books and classics, Yeah, uh-huh. that's right. Right, right. Sure is neat That's why I like to watch that MASTERPIECE THEATRE on channel thirteen, because they'll take a classic and, and, uh, televise it you know, put it into a viewing format, more or less. Yeah. Right. Right. A lot of people just don't have time to read nowadays. Uh-huh. I know it's, it's really hard for me. I work two jobs and uh, have my daughter and teach Sunday school and go to school, myself, Do you?
so it's, it's hard for me to sit down and read, Well, I can imagine. but when I do I just, just love it. Yeah, yeah me, too. Well, I think we've accomplished five minutes so, I think we have, too. Thank you very much. It's good talking to you. You, too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well, what is your view, do you consider the Soviet Union a threat? I don't know that it's so much a military threat anymore as a, well, you know, it's, it's real confusing right now to know what kind of a, of, of a threat it is, I guess, Sure. it, it takes awhile to, to get used to something, you know, if, if they have completely
on the, place has completely turned that much around to where they're not, you know, not what they used to be, Right. uh It's, it's hard to, to know anymore if it's a, a threat one way or another because, uh, it used to be so, much in the past that whatever the top said the rest fell, you know, rank and file in behind it. Uh-huh. And now that with Gorbachev is introducing more, I guess, freedoms or expressions of freedom, it doesn't look as though, you know, everybody's following the same pattern. Yeah. And, those, the people who are, you know, the staunch military conservative people, you never know, well, Gorbachev's future is like whereas, whereas in the past it was seen as, you know, whoever was the head of the, the communist party was seen as, you know, untouchable. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah, the thing that keeps happening is happening so fast and so, uh, dramatic that you almost think, now wait a minute, you know, we're getting stuck into something here, you know, if, if somebody's about to, to clobber you, the first thing they do is sort of say, well, you know, we're, we're ashamed, we're not going to do that anymore. Uh-huh. Exactly. And, uh, um, you know, I'd, I'd like to think that that isn't true but I, I,
you know, the evidence is that, uh, you know, he's, he's let some, some stuff go, you know, the east German situation. Right. It's just the whole thing is so incomprehensible, you know, if I'd have been asleep for five years, and read it in a book, I said, no, no, no, that didn't, couldn't have happened that way. Right. Well, it's amazing just because of the drain that's been on, you know, both economies that our economy is, of course, been able to, uh, withstand that a little better, Uh-huh. but, uh, the Russian economy they, you know, they, I don't know what the percentages are, but I heard it one time, it's just some ungodly number just to support the military machine. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And finally, you know, who knows maybe they're finally waking up and saying, you know, we can't afford this. Uh, the U S isn't the threat that we've always made them out to be, you know, even if they're saying that beneath the doors. Uh-huh. But it's hard to thing that just one person can bring that much of a radical change in that short of period. Yeah.
Even if it is, you know, the best thing in the long run, it just steps on too many people's toes, who are comfortable with the way the situation is. Yeah. Yeah, I, I think, you know, what I'd have to, I, I I guess to answer the question directly, I'm still just a, a little bit, you know, leery of the whole thing. Uh-huh. What I haven't seen is the, uh, you know, a great stepping back in the military, situation. Right. You know, it's, it's one thing, you know, to let us go ahead and sort of disarm and, you know, I even had a thought once that the whole Iraqi thing might have been just a, a deal to go ahead and let us, uh, you know, expend some, some military hardware. Expend? Of course, it didn't turn out that way. Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, that, that may have been a, a, a kind of far out way of thinking about it I don't know. Well, it's interesting, anymore the world's getting so small that it doesn't seem to tolerate anymore any kind of the expansionism, philosophy that, that was here in, you know, twenty years ago. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, but, of course, the people who have challenged that or tried to do, have have not been world powers. So, it's easier for us to say, you know, to an Iraq, you know, uh, you can't do this, get back, you know, or we're going to force you. Uh-huh.
Yeah, or, or we can do something about it. Yeah. Whereas, you know, if the Soviet Union would have, who knows what taking over Mongolia or, or something like that, who is really, will we have been more just rhetoric, uh, rather than going in there officially or, you know, physically and try to, to remove them. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, the, the China situation, you know, the when, it looked like that thing was, was turning around and all of a sudden it was like somebody in the, in the Red Square or wherever said, okay, and that's enough. Uh-huh. And the tanks came in and, you know, pretty much took care of that. Exactly. And, Yeah, uh, that, personally I don't see as Gorbachev as being maybe a threat, and I think he's actually, honestly trying to do some change. Uh-huh. But I don't believe that he, in this first pass around, you know, being the first one to really turn things around or attempt to is going to be allowed to get away with it either. Yeah.
Well, this would be like if somebody was elected president of the United States and suddenly took off toward, you know, just some pretty hard by the socialism, Uh-huh. and, uh, you know, the, the reaction, uh, you know, the, the economic, well, the, uh, the social structure of the Soviet Union, you know, it, it's, it's coming apart at the seams. Uh-huh. You know, and I've heard people say, well, you know, it's just like the American Civil War, will there be a union or not? Well, no, it's not the same sort of a thing at all because that, the whole Soviet system was put together under total force, you know, there was no, as, as we are seeing now with a lot of those, areas wanting out of it, Right. Uh-huh. you know, they, uh, nobody you know, a lot man , those people didn't vote to become part of the Soviet Union, they had no choice. Yeah, that was always kind of interesting, people,
you know, a lot of my friends have a taken us down, the stance of, you know, these people are just trying to be free and trying to get away and I'm thinking more of it from a nationalistic, you know, if I'm a Soviet and if part of, you know, south, let's say South Dakota wanted to you know, succeed, am I going to stand for that. Yeah. Now I realize that the origins are, are different and that we all joined under a common direction and a common bond to begin with, and that they may have been forced, I'm not that familiar with their future, Uh-huh. but I, you know, I, it's easy to believe that they were probably more forced into a pact than, uh, a volunteer or willingness to join. Yeah. But, There, there was the whole thing was put together, you know, by force. There's, there's no, no real question about that. Uh-huh. And some of the countries that were forced in at later dates is the three Baltic countries, you know, came in, in the forties, Uh-huh. and, uh, it's, well, it's not that they came in, it's they were conquered by the Germans, And then, just never given back. and then the Russians even, took it back from the Germans and never bothered to give it back, you know, Yep. so. That's a, a little different situation.
Well, that whole a, the whole idea if you look at the Russian history and I guess all countries the way it used to be is, the only way to truly protect your borders was to have a buffer. Uh-huh. And that was the whole idea why they had so many buffers and maybe, you know, more and more people are seeing, oh, countries hopefully are seeing that that buffer isn't going to help you, you can, well, I guess like, with, uh, Israel is a perfect example. Yeah. The reason they have the Angolan Heights and the, the, uh, all their buffer area is between Jordan and the, the Sinai and, and Lebanon was just as a buffer but, you know, as you can see with the, the scuds go right over there. Uh-huh. Yeah, they don't really pay a whole lot of attention to buffers. Yeah, there's, there's very little that, that binds you anymore in today's technology. I knew a lot of guys in the service when they were sent to Germany they said that's the safest place in the world because if a war starts, all the bombs are going to go right over Germany and they're going to land in other places, you know, that's going to be the safest place to be. That's probably very true. that's very interesting, never thought of that.
Yeah, well, uh, I, I guess, what they'd have to do to, I really don't know, you know, in, in the, in, you know, I hope that what's happening is exactly the way it appears. Uh-huh. You know, some reason or other, you know, is, uh, it's kind of a strange thing we've been trying to make something like this happen for so long that when it finally happens you say, whoa, wait a minute, Nobody knows what to do. you know. What's, uh, what's, what's really happening here. Is it real? Uh-huh. But you wonder how, well, this thing, who, was it Boris Yeltsin, the guy that's running the, uh, or evidently was elected president of the Soviet, for the Russian republic, which is, I guess, the, uh, the biggest, Right. Exactly. I get confused between all the, which is the Soviet provinces versus which are the, the Russian provinces, versus what are, Uh-huh. Well, in the center but you got a, the, the great big area that's just, was traditionally known as Russia and then all these little nationality groups, around it, you know, that were, you know, was there nineteen of them or, or whatever, Uh-huh.
you know, and these were all the Soviet economists, us you know, they had some real fancy names for them. Right. Matter of fact when the, uh, yeah, what I read when the, uh, uh, United Nations was setup in, in San Francisco, one of the first things the Russians wanted to do was bring in each one of the, uh, of these, you know, republics, as a separate country, Oh, as a, you know, so there would be, there would be nineteen, rather than one. as a vote. Sure. Sure. And, uh, the United States said, well, that mean we get to bring in forty-eight, you know. And, uh, that sort of, you know, they backed down on that. Died down on that. I thought it was interesting that recently here the Warsaw Pact no longer exists as a military force, but it's merely an economic now. Yeah, well, wonder if that Well, I mean at , uh, what do you get shot by something that's called a, an economic force or what is called a military pact,
Yeah, exactly. you know, it's all, you can change the name of something but I wonder if it's still, exists. Uh-huh. Although, I've seen some evidence that, you know, the, uh, the Russian soldiers are, well, you, the funny thing there is they're not particularly welcome back home because there's, they're having housing shortages now. What do you do with all these troops that have been taken care of by, uh, Bulgaria and, and Czechoslovakia Exactly and, and all the, and now all of a sudden they're going home and somebody's got to pay for their, Well, that's what they're saying the whole problem, you know, with, if we were to demilitarize Europe, what are we going to do with all the soldiers over there? Yeah. Well, that's not, What's going to happen to the economies that are no longer have a, a million plus people in the you know, in each country from the U S ... Yeah.
Well, since you live close, I don't know if you know, um, about what Louisville is doing with recycling, or are you familiar with any of that? Well, I know that we have some relatives that live around, like the area in there, Huh-uh. I know they're doing some curbside recycling as a kind of a test there. Yeah. You know, I read, you know, when they first started doing that in the paper, and I read about that, I was just praying that, that would be in our area, because we've been recycling for quite some time. And, you know, we separate everything out, and then have to haul it up to a Metco , you know, which is a real pain. Huh-uh. So if they would come up, curbside recycling, they'll help you, recycle, because we, there is some bins, like behind Wal-Mart, that take some things. Well, now have they moved them behind Wal-Mart? Yeah. Oh, God. Because I finally asked because, you know, we had all of those milk cartons and there was nowhere else to take them and they had it in front of Wal-Mart and I ask in Wal-Mart
and they said they moved it just behind. Oh. That's really nice to know, because we were doing the same thing. Because to take it to a Metco , you have to take it when they're open, you know, which is always a real pain. Huh-uh. And so when that thing came up in Wal-Mart parking lot, we thought, oh, this is great. And we started taking them up there. And then, all the sudden, it disappeared, you know I didn't know. And we're going, oh, no, there goes our recycling place. Yeah. That's really nice to find out that it's behind there Well, we pretty much do, um, plastic milk cartons and, um, um, um, newspapers. I couldn't even think of what you call them. Yeah. Plastic milk cartons, newspapers and cans, and glass, I guess, is the four, is really the four things that we do. Like aluminum cans? Yeah. Yeah. That's about what we do too.
And really, that's about, that's really about it. Is there anything, any place else that really takes anything other than that, that you know of? Well, I guess, um, down in, kind of in North Dallas, there is a place that will take almost anything. Oh, really. Uh, I don't, we just don't have the room to store all that much, you know, I know. I don't want to be running down there every week, or whatever. I know. I know. We're kind of the same way. You know, at first, you know, you, at first it was a real, it was a real hassle, and I'm wondering are we really going to do this, but you kind of get, I guess, into a little routine, you know, where it becomes, is automatic, now, to throw, different things in different places, Yeah. you know. So I just go, you know, we have a pretty good size pantry in our kitchen and I've just got three trash cans sitting in there, you know, we just kind of dump things in each one, if, you know, if we get them, Yeah.
so. Those milk cartons take up so much room. Oh, they do, too. And they're impossible to crush. I mean, you can't get the down to any size, you know. If you get four milk cartons and that fills up trash bag, you know pretty easily, so. You know, I guess we kind of started recycling after I moved here about a year and a half ago. Oh, really. We were using baby food and there was so many baby food jars, kind of what started it. Yeah. Yeah. Some of our neighbors were doing it and so, you know, when I found out some places to take it, and, um, like, um, they also take some things at the Flower Mound dump behind the fire station there, and I know that they're going to use, you know, the money for that to build some kind of multipurpose field and that type of thing. Put lights and stuff Oh, that will be good. so, you know, if I'm not going to get the money for aluminum, I would just assume give it to the city of Flower Mound. to do something with, you know. Sure.
Let somebody get something out of it. Yeah. That's true. And they won't raise our taxes. Yeah Yeah . Ha-ha Well, I was kind of hoping with, you know, do you work for T I? No, I don't. I have a friend, of mine told me about this program, is the reason that I'm, No. Yeah. There was a, T I has got this organization called T A D which is T I'ers Against Drugs. And, you know, we're recycling aluminum cans up here and, uh, just what you would buy out of the machines and drink here and there was crushers out in all of the hallways you know, and that's, they use the money from that to fund this T I'ers Against Drugs Program.
It's, you know, T I doesn't give them any money, all, everything is made from that. And they had talked about having a thing like, one Saturday a month, you could come and drop your aluminum cans off from home, you know, Yeah. And I'm kind of like, yeah. I shall, they would do that because at least somebody was getting the money out of it, you know. That was going to use it for good, so, is talking to someone in Sorry. Sounds like you have a little one just like I do She'll be two in July. Yeah. Mine was two in December Oh. Well, it was good to talk to you. Well, it was nice to talk to you. I know they've started over in Richardson where my dad lives. They pick up newspapers, I think. Oh, do they really. Curbside pick up?
Yeah. I really hope they do that in Louisville. It would make it a lot easier on all of us. Talk to you later. Okay. Bye-bye. So what do you think about it? How are we doing in recycling? Are we, Well, I think we need to do more. I mean, I know I need to do more. They have programs around where you can reach the, uh, they come and pick up your newspapers if you have them bundled up. Uh-huh. But I have a hard time of being able, of separating, you know, having a place, separating my trash, and get all the cans from the paper, Yeah. and, you know, I just haven't gotten that dedicated yet So. I do a lot of work with the boy scouts,
and we try to do a lot Uh-huh. but there's still a lot more we can do. Yeah. You know, I don't recycle my newspapers myself, but I noticed in one of the sales catalogs this weekend they have a, like a, a clothes hamper kind of thing that, you know, you lay your string in, then you put your papers in there tie them all up and bundle them up, Uh-huh. so I figured I might get me one of those because we don't always read the newspaper. Uh-huh. Sometimes it just sits around for a while, and then we just chuck it. Yeah, well, I don't, I don't get the paper every day, but, you know, I get it on, I try to buy, you know, the early edition for the coupons, you know, the Sunday edition. So. Yeah. But, then I just, you know, bundle it up and put it on the front, you know, the front walk you know, every Monday or every other Monday, and have them pick that up, Yeah. but that's the extent of what I've done.
I'd like to be able to do more. The problem is, with a lot of it is, you have to go, you know, it takes a while to drive to these places where you recycle it, you know Yeah see, and, it's not always convenient to do it. Yeah, see, and here in Lubbock everything's so close. I can imagine what it's like up there. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where the, you know, the can thing is, but, you know, sometimes it's just so, seems so much easier just to take it and throw it in the trash, and have them pick it up than it is to smash the cans and drive it some place to have them. Yeah. See, I went out to Payless Cashways here a couple of days ago, as a matter of fact, and got me one of those little can crushers that I could put on the wall Uh-huh. and then I put me a little five gallon bucket, and it's just outside the garage door Uh-huh. so every time we drink a Coke or whatever we crush the can and just drop it into the bucket. Do those can crushers work good?
Yeah, I got one from Payless Cashways, and it's actually metal Uh-huh. it's not plastic. I didn't want to buy a plastic one. Yeah because those things I think would just snap you know. Yeah. But Payless Cashways has them and they're metal, and I don't know what affiliate of Payless Cashways you have up there, but it was only like seven dollars, not too bad. Oh. I'd have to check into something like that, because, I mean, we don't drink a whole lot of soda around here, you know, but, um you know, occasionally we have some around, Yeah. but, you know, for other kind of cans, just to, it'd probably only take aluminum cans like that, don't they. Yeah, I don't,
yeah, I don't think it would crush steel cans, it's pretty tough. Yeah, so. I don't know, I don't think you have to crush the other ones for them to get to take that, but, I need to look into it more, No, you could probably just, you know, you know, it's, you know, it, sometimes, even with the newspaper they say they'll only take certain types of paper, you know, they won't take paper that's shiny, Yeah they won't, yeah, they won't take any lint free paper or, see, I work at T I. Yeah, so does my husband, yeah. We do a lot of recycling out there. Uh-huh.
Now we recycle all our computer paper and our cardboard, but that's just now come on board. Uh-huh. You know, we've been throwing paper out there away for years, and we're just now getting on board to recycling ever since this big Earth Day thing came out, you know. Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't know what, you know, I haven't, I'm sure they're probably doing that here some. Yeah, I'm sure they are. T I is doing it pretty well nation-wide, I'm sure. Uh-huh. I think it's necessary, I, I like it, you know, it makes, I think it's good that you see these, you know, like boxes, cereal, they're now starting to make them, you know, the packages out of recycled paper, and, And I've bought, you know, I've bought greeting cards that are made out of recycled paper,
Oh, yeah. and I think they're just fine. Yeah, I bought a, I got one at work that I bought for one of the guys there at work, it's his birthday, we're pretty good friends, and what it is is a recycled paper bag Uh-huh. and it's just got Happy Birthday printing on it, and a cute little phrase inside, and it's just a paper bag Uh-huh. you know, and it's really cute. Yeah. But, I think we're doing better and better all the time, Yeah still don't, I think we're getting, becoming more conscious because we just can't stick everything in landfills any more. So. No,
there's not going to be any room, shortly. No, no, the office, I don't know what New York does about theirs. I guess they still ship it out on barges somewhere. Yeah, it's probably sitting out on the barge somewhere Yeah, so. But I think we're getting better at it Yeah. I think there's quite a bit more we could do. to someone in the Girls, put that away. Now. But, you're right sometimes it does seem like it's more trouble than what it would be worth. Yeah, I just wish it was a little more convenient to do, Yeah. you know, seems like you're so busy anyway, and then that's just one more thing to have to worry about.
So. Yeah, it sure is. I think if, you know, the cities, locally, you know, they'd get more programs going so that you could do that, it'd make it a lot easier. So. Yeah, yeah. Well, they'll get at it sooner. I guess the schools will get into it, too, sooner or later. Yeah, yeah, get the kids interested in it too. You know they have, We tried to have an aluminum can drive with the cub scouts that I have, and we just don't have any place to store those kind of cans. Yeah. You know, if we go out and pick up a bunch of cans from people, sure they'll save them for us, there's no problem there. Uh-huh. But what do you do with them in the meantime? That's right.
Now I don't want a can, a garage full of cans That's right, who does. You know people don't have room for that kind of stuff. You know. No, they're just not, they're not prepared for it. No, and in Texas, they're just get, things like that, they just get bugs in them. So. Yeah, yeah, they do. So, you don't, You know, the more trash you have laying around the more bugs you get, that's for sure. That's right, so. So.
I'm pretty lazy about it right now. Everything goes into one thing and goes out to the Yeah. You know, pick it up. So. Yeah, myself. About the only thing I really recycle around here is aluminum cans. Uh-huh. So. Well, I need to get, get better at it. So. Well, if we all try a little bit, a little bit goes a long way. Yeah, that's right, that's right. If everybody tries to do just a little bit, and a little bit more then we'll get there. That's true. That's right. Well thank you for talking to me.
Huh. Well, thank you for calling. I, Sure, no problem, Okay, take care. All right, Bye-bye. Bye-bye. I, I, I, assume you have kids in Uh, we have one. She's only nine months old. Oh, well she, she doesn't have to worry about public schools yet. Right. Well, my degree is in teaching, so. Yeah. Well, we have a little bit of a basis for conversation. I was a substitute teacher for about a year.
Oh, really. Yeah. I, uh, thought I wanted to be a teacher so, but before I went through all of that I wanted to see how I was going to like it. Uh-huh. And, and they, uh, in Alabama, where I came from they, they allow you to substitute if you got a four year degree. So I went out and played substitute for a while and decided, nope, not for me. Did you teach in all subjects or in all grade levels or, Yeah. It was, I just took grades one through six. Uh-huh. I thought I was going to be smart and get the good kids, wrong. Well, my degree was in fourth through seventh grade but I taught junior high. And I expected it to be a lot of trouble but it wasn't that bad, I taught remedial reading kids.
Um. And, well, they don't call it remedial reading these days, they call it something else. Yeah. But, but, anyway, at the time that's what I taught. And, um, you kind of group your behavioral problems together that way, when you have your slow readers Uh-huh and clicking noises in but it, it wasn't too bad. We, we got long real well. Well, I, I sometimes wonder if I didn't mess up. I maybe should have taken the higher grades because at least you can, if you have to you can get mean with them. Those little kids don't understand it. Yeah. I, especially with the real young ones. I started out wanting to teach lower, like primary and then top primary and thought, well, no, I don't like this as much and ended up moving up and got up until about the sixth and so that's what I got my certification in. Uh-huh. But I had decided long before I was even married that I wanted to, if possible, teach my kids at home and not put them in the public schools. Yeah. Um, and my reason for that was I don't like the, uh, what's the right word. The varied inappropriate influences that you find so much in the public schools.
Well, that's a nice way of putting it. You can find a lot of good public schools if you, if you look real hard but I don't think they could cover everything that you could teach, your children on an individual basis. exactly, And too, most people don't have that option. Yeah. You know. And plus it also depends on the district your in as, I mean, on the, I've seen some districts where all the schools are lousy it doesn't matter what you do. Uh, accept for the private ones, of course, we're talking about public. Uh-huh. Right. I don't know Back when I was going to school uh, you just didn't get away with the things these kids get away with now. Uh-huh. I mean you, you pulled stunts like that and you were down at the principal's office and, uh, usually bending over to get five of the best, Yeah Um, but now, nowadays they can't even, they can barely scold the children for something, you know, without getting sued. And the, the, um, the crime is just escalated and the drugs and, even in the, in the the, the lower, the lower schools. Oh, yeah. Well, the thing that really did it for me, I was subbing in a fifth grade class and, uh, this kid comes to school with his lunch box
and inside this lunch box he, he's got easily two, I'd say two hundred to two hundred and fifty dollars in one dollar bills. Um. And I asked him, uh, what are you doing with that? And he says, "My father gave it to me." And I didn't believe it for a minute. Uh-huh Um, so, uh, but, uh, you know, the, not a lot I could do about it. Right. Can't stop the kid from bringing money to school if he wants. Crazy for him to but, Well, I have, I, I, I've I think I understood what the, what the kid was doing he was a, uh, well let's just say he was one of those types that you wouldn't doubt that he was selling something. Uh-huh. Yeah. But not a lot I could do about it. Well, we had the problem when I was in,
with teaching, um, I was eighth and ninth graders that I worked with and if we did have a, a student come in and they were drunk or they were on something you had the option of calling the police and have them taken out of the schools or trying to teach them something while they were there. Uh-huh. And you don't know if you were reaching them or not but we felt like, you know, maybe just going ahead and try to teaching them was trying to teach them was better than have them taken out. Yeah. Because, uh, uh, that just, that doesn't do a lot for them. I mean it, alleviates your problem Yeah. but it doesn't do anything for them. Right. Uh, most the time if they were, they were, some of them were even better behaved. I've only had two instances where I it was really noticeable but they were better behaved when they were, um, I don't know if was alcohol or something else that they were on but it ended up better but,
Uh, I don't know, guns and, I don't know it's something. I think there's a problem too with teachers trying to, um, to be so versatile that they do loose sight of the basics, you know, they've been a big drive in, especially in the seventies to return back to the basics. Uh-huh. And, uh, and I'm not completely just, you know, just teach the basics in schools but I think there does need to be a reemphasis of those because, of our, our lower grades in the standardized test and such. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. I mean, it's indicative across the board that we, we've done something wrong. Right. And when you see, uh, Koreans and Chinese and Japanese who are taking all the, uh, science jobs, all the engineering jobs, all the mathematical jobs and, you know, here we are we can't, we can't balance a checkbook without a calculator. Uh-huh. Um, I don't know. Well, I spent a year and a half in Japan also and I've seen how their school system works
and I, they go by a complete rote system, you just memorize everything. Uh-huh. And then at the end of the, of a certain time period you spitted everything back out and the better the memorizer you are the better your grades are going to be. Yeah. So I don't completely agree with that either. No. But there, there definitely needs to be a balance somewhere. Yeah. That's, that's a great deal what law school's like Oh, is it? Yeah. Is that what you ended up going into? Yeah. Oh. And, uh, I did the same sort of thing, they just, you sit there and read hundreds and hundreds of cases
and then you get one examine for the whole semester Uh-huh. and it's how well you can remember it all. How, how much can you stuff in your brain. Yeah. And I found that a particularly useless way of studying. Yeah. I never did. I always tried to understand things, not tried to memorize. Uh-huh. And consequently some of the very best students were, had excellent memories but they couldn't put two and two together as far as the law was concerned. Yeah. So, Yeah. It didn't show me anything. A year and a half, I gave it up. I wasn't really I didn't want to be a lawyer anyway, just wanted the degree. Uh-huh.
Yeah. So, Yeah. Well, Well, I don't know. What can we do about it? good question Probably, Money, Money is not the answer. Taking, No. There's plenty of money in the system, Yeah. it's just, Yeah. I mean, they're throwing more money at it now than ever before and things are getting worse. I think it's like a lot of things in the, in the United States. We've got so much built up in, um, in the, in the, uh, bureaucracy and in the politics of it,
Uh-huh. and in the, the power plays that it needs to be pulled down and started over again and there's no way that, that can be done. Uh-huh. Not without wiping out a whole generation of, of kids in the school system, Yeah. so. Yeah. Maybe on smaller, smaller scales. Well, I don't know I, uh, as much as I didn't like school when I was going through it, from my perspective now I can see that it's a lot better than what we have now. Uh-huh. And I think part of it is that they've got to give authority back to the local school. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's, it's silly that these, that these people are handcuffed when it comes to discipline. Uh-huh. Right into the classroom it needs to be be able to be enforced. Yeah. Exactly,
I mean, I, I mean teachers are so afraid now of even saying something, to students because they're going get, they're going to get complaints or they're going to get sued or something. Uh-huh. It's like doctors in lawsuits, Oh yeah. you know, they're kind of fearful of, everything. Well, lawyers help create that That's, that's, well, at least I've heard that I, I, I haven't fortunately been in a situation where it's, been applicable to me Well, I think, I think, I, I mean what we've turned the school schools into now are just day-care centers you know, somebody, okay, we're going to send our kid here for seven or eight hours a day and he's out of our hair. Right. And the other part of it is parents have quit becoming parents. Uh-huh. You know, they're just, Oh, yeah it has to be reinforced in the home.
Oh, sure. I, I you, you can, you can have the best school system in the world if you don't get anything at home then it's, it's not going to help either. Yeah. Right. So, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what the answer is. Uh-huh. It's an interesting, interesting thing you want to do. I, how is Texas about keeping your children out of public schools, do they allow it? Yeah. They allow it under certain circumstances. You have to, to prove that you're teaching them something. You have to follow, a preferred curriculum, Uh-huh. um, they try to encourage you to follow a specific curriculum, although you don't have to. Uh-huh.
And then if you have particular religious beliefs they have to be, they're kind of monitored. You know, they, they will allow you to, I can't think of any examples but certain religious groups don't want their children in public schools because the influence. And maybe they were a group of Mennonites or something like that. Uh-huh. I don't think they're were in this area but, um, they, they are monitored by the, um, by the State School Board. Um. So. That's interesting. I remembering reading a few cases about that when it, when some people first tried that and they got sued. Got taken to court by the school system. Uh-huh. I'm glad the parents won. I mean, it seems silly that, um, we started that's, that's the way you got your education in this country. Uh-huh. And then, um, I don't know. I grew up, uh, in the, the sixties,
and at that time, uh, it was is a changing time for the whole music scene, I guess and I grew up with the Beatles and the Rolling Stones and the whole pot culture during that time and went through that phase and kind of stayed with it I guess for several years after I graduated from college and, and thereafter but have since, uh, I grew up in a small town in, in southern Oklahoma I have kind of gone back to, uh, more of a county, uh, flavor in music. Um, I'm not quite sure why that is and it seems like almost a opposite, but I guess I got away from what I consider to be the pot, uh, sounding music. It didn't have what, you know, I guess what I was looking for at the time country tells more of a, a story. It kind of reminds me of my roots of growing up and I've, I've become I guess more of a country fan over the years. When you say that you grew up, uh, in the sixties I take it that was the, uh, teenage type years or, uh, Yeah, that was my teenage years. I was born in fifty and, and, uh, Okay, we, we're very similarly aged, so we probably have an interesting perspective on the music on the times,
so I'm just a couple years older than you, Yeah. um, essentially I was one of the nerdy types in high school really which meant that I, for one reason or another I didn't pay much attention to music, but as I look back now I realize it was very formative for me, uh, my early popular music interests were in Simon and Garfunkel, whom I saw perform when I was in college and I became attached to that style of, uh, urban, urban country if there is such a thing, Yeah. I think with, in a way one could talk about Simon and Garfunkel that way because they do tend, uh, to have a dramatic or story approach to their music, uh, usually tend to have some good or bad moral to it. Uh, over time I became very interested in, in baroque classical and I think that was just through experiencing contacting college and the fact that I found it, it very relaxing for me. My tastes now run I guess to a upbeat, uh, Simon, Yeah. it's something that interests me, uh, combined with, with the classical tastes I had mentioned. And my classical music tends to be confined to the seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundred music. I'm not a music, um, , I'm not particularly schooled in it. I know what I like to listen to as far as classical music. And I, I spent a good deal of time listening also to, uh, people from the late seventies, really, um, Neil Diamond, for instance. Um, people of, of that particular time, That's kind of the way I am. Uh-huh.
I listen to some country and western but I'm not schooled in it and I, I've enjoyed the times when I have listened to it. I played a little bit of piano. I continue to do that. I want to do it and I never have the discipline to stay with it, but when I do play, uh, and begin to reacquire skills I inevitably fall in love with country western music which tends to be in some ways easy to play for a, for a new piano player. It is, it's got, uh, basically an easy, uh, rhythm and, and tone. Right. And it's, it's pretty, fairly well easily to uh, uh, something to fall into. I'm kind of the say way, I, I've gone through different periods of life, uh, in music from pop to classical. I guess one of the things was that influenced me was that I, I've worked in radio stations as a D J for all my college years trying to support my way through there, and was support, I was influenced by all different kinds of music but basically because that's where I worked. And I've developed a real love for, uh, classical music in, probably junior high and high school because my band instructor was, uh, heavy into classical type music. He said he used to sit on Saturday mornings and watch cartoons just to hear the music, uh, that they were using behind them because they used, especially Disney used a lot of classical music, uh, behind the cartoons
and so consequently we wind up, wound up playing a lot of classical music there and I think that, uh, got deep seated into me. One of things I especially like now in music regardless of what kind it is, uh, are those that call on those classical, uh, roots, I guess, uh, Barry Manilow comes to mind for some reason there's, there's not a whole lot of his stuff that I'm real crazy about, but he does have some things. Chicago had some things, Right. uh, and I think even Electric Light Orchestra had some, some real, um, influences by classical music and I'm still, still, my favorite, in fact most of my C D are classical music. I find it very interesting that some television shows that I enjoy I particularly like the music. I don't know which is chicken and egg in that situation. Uh, a good example would be, uh, I have connections but, but not particularly deep ones to the Vietnamese war type situations, Uh-huh. uh, and I found that I really like CHINA BEACH and I particularly like TOUR OF DUTY and both of them, I had as much fascination of the background music, I think going on as I did to the theme of the shows, Yeah. uh, and I, I've, uh, THIRTY SOMETHING I'm particularly interested,
but it's the music, almost that I find myself listening to, uh, Yeah. I'm kind of thinking that's maybe, our generation was, uh, so in tuned to music of that time that we identify goodness or badness with, uh, things now with the music that's behinds them. That could well be. I, I, uh, spent my junior year, uh, and sophomore and junior year in, in college when I, a song by the, uh, uh, I think the title of it was just Downtown, Uh-huh. uh, and if you recall how it goes downtown, ta, da, da, da, Right. uh, all I have to do is hear that song and I get strongly evoked memories of, of difficult times in school being behind on work, Uh-huh. uh, and my family now knows if they come into my study and, uh, I happen to have had a tough day at work and maybe I'm trying to get a project done, uh, at school, uh, and I'm humming or whistling in a sort of mad crazy way the tune to Downtown they know to just stay away, That's their signal. They can hear the unconscious music signal behind it, Yeah. that's right. When did you first take your, uh, first piano lesson? Uh, probably about first grade,
Yeah. and I have, uh, returned about every four or five years to thinking that I would like to do something about it. I usually get to the point where I can play some of my favorite themes and then inevitably I am swept away by the, the pressure of other types of things, Yeah. uh, It is a time consumer. It is. In order to continue to, to grow and I, I always think that I'll be able to do it and then I inevitably discover that I have no innate music talent relative to composition and that I struggle and really can't quite understand what is that other people take for granted, in composition themes Yeah. and I, keys and things are something to me that remain a mystery no matter how many times I bang on them. I have a pretty good mathematical concept for what's involved, Right. uh, but in a, in a innate music sense there just seems to be something missing there which is always frustrating for me since I have pretty high math aptitude and I keep thinking, gee, I thought that all the math and music people are supposed to go hand in hand but, but it doesn't for me. No,
it's making that, that connection especially with the mechanical parts of it. I was never able to, to master all that. In fact my brother and sister both, they were, oh, thirteen, sixteen years older than I, they went through the, uh, parent thing where you've got to practice or you're not going out to play thing, and when it came to my turn the folks said no we're not going through that again, they sold the piano, and is the turns out I was the only one who really had an interest in it and never got to, so I, Uh-huh. that's one of things I felt like I missed in life and I, I really, in fact, uh, one of my favorite things to do now is sit down and listen to Chopin, that is played on, uh, piano. I just, you know, I can just drift off into some other world just listening to that for hours if I ever have the time to do that, Oh, , maybe one of these days, I'll, you know, I'm kind of like you, maybe one of these days I'll get around to it, I'll do something with the piano, but probably not. So we both have a secret background that says somehow or another we just knew we were piano players and never got a chance, uh, Just never got a chance to come out. No.
That's the most fascinating thing Well, it's a pleasure talking with you. And you, sir, Best, of luck in your graduate school. take care. Okay. Good-bye. Good-bye. Okay, do you want to go first? Well, I could barely hear what the switchboard operator was saying as what was the topic. Fitness and exercise. Oh, God No, why don't you go first. Okay, um, I like to do, uh, weight training and, and cycling. And just walking, uh, swimming. I used to do a lot of basketball and running and volleyball until I had some knee surgery last fall. And the doctor said that running and jumping isn't real good for my knee anymore, so I had to kind of change my life-style a little bit
Well, let me ask a personal question, how old are you? Thirty-eight. Oh, well then you should see over thirty-five everything goes downhill flop . Well, the rest of me is in pretty good shape it's just that left knee that just doesn't want to do everything it used to. Oh, you're lucky then because I've battled arthritis all my life, Really? I mean even since I was like about two or three. Oh. Then they diagnosed it, and usually most people are just absolutely crippled, and, uh, I do water aerobics. Religiously do water aerobics, Oh, I bet that helps. Uh-huh. I used to do it about six times a week and now I'm down to about four but it's about the only thing that keeps my mobility in in there,
uh, I tried weight training and I'm telling you, you just, I just can't lift the things. Yeah. And the shock on the system is, is just too much, so I have stuck to water aerobics basically, you know, the weightless thing and, trying to keep this shape that way Yeah. but, you know, it's hard to find. I mean it's really hard to find a place that's going to offer water aerobics because what I'm finding is that if they do offer it, you get the crowd of women that are, I think they feel this is going to be an effortless sweatless way, to get in shape, without having to spend anything That's right. That's right. or it's the geriatric crowd. That's right. So, I've considered even becoming licensed to teach it. Well, I mean, if, if you know what your routine is, you can do that by yourself, and you probably do. Yeah, but you have to have an indoor pool. This is true. So, to find an indoor pool where either you can do this by yourself without, you know, drawing a lot of looks, means you're really going to do a strenuous workout activity
you look very odd in the water, Well, that, that was the one place where I was also able to do weight training, and that does look very odd in the water. I can believe that. Have you tried the, uh, the pool at the Spring Creek Fitness Center? No, and you know, that's the only place I haven't tried and people have told me. Now that's the Texins facility? Yes. I have been told that thing is just lovely. It is. They keep it at eighty-one degrees year-round. Huh. do you use that facility a lot? Um, a fairly, a fairly good amount, uh, more on the weekends, uh, I try to beat the traffic in the mornings when I workout in the mornings, I try to come down to the Dallas Fitness Center. Huh. Do you know if they have child care there?
Um, have you done your attitude survey for this year yet? You need to put that on there, seriously. They don't, I don't, I don't work at T I. Oh, you don't? No, I used to work at T I, Oh. as matter of fact I was the only woman that they had in the field in a management position actually when I was working there I was the only woman that was pretty much in the industry and I used to fill out those attitude surveys, Yeah. and, uh, uh, me and the insurance adjusters are, are very familiar with each other and my husband still works there, Yeah. and, um, I get my attitude expressed through them, but I find it to be very sometimes it's kind of shoot yourself in the foot mentality to save a few bucks. This is true. Uh, and never having lived in Texas before I starting working for T I
and I came down here and, you know, they did an attitude survey like six weeks after I had been working here and I asked about, you know, day care for the shift workers, Yeah. and boy I was pulled in by my manager and told that you just don't say that, you know, Well, it's not, it was not applicable to me and I was kind of horrified. Now what year are we talking about? We're talking nineteen seventy-eight. Okay, uh, things have become much more enlightened since then. They couldn't have gotten anymore in the dark ages Yeah, you know, we still don't have a day care facility but people are more sympathetic to it. I understand, I understand that they're now covering women's preventative health care, Yes. Yes. and, uh, the reason I'm at home is when I had my kids, and I was scheduled to go back and I tell you how much in the dark ages it was. Um, I had been rated number one in the field
and then I took, uh, when I became pregnant I also got meningitis, and then delivered the first baby three months early, Oh. My gosh. and they put the baby on a heart lung monitor when I took her home, and the insurance carrier was not going to cover this because it was considered preventative treatment. Could you hold the phone for one second, Sure. Thanks. Okay, I'm back. And then they used to, uh, and then I had a second one eighteen months later, they told me to put them back to back and, of course, to maintain and I was flat on my back for the last five months with the second one, because that's when I go into labor four and a half months Wow. and I don't even know it. Of course it's real easy to take care of the first one when you're on your back. Oh, yeah,
very easy, very easy and they, they put me on twenty-four hour fetal monitoring then to, to try to control the labor and see how far it was going, and after the baby was born, since it wasn't premature, then they said they wouldn't cover the cost of the monitor. I think that's kind of when my husband hit the roof, because it was a, uh, thirteen thousand dollar bill, Really. but after the second baby was born I was going to go back to work, Yeah. and that was when they had, God it would have been the eighty-five layoff, Yeah. and I'll tell you how they handled this and I was just outraged, I did not know that since I was on personal leave of absence that I had been, uh, terminated until I filed my insurance claims about four months later and they didn't have any coverage under my name and I went back and I said what the hell is going on here, you know. Yeah, really. And they told me that, uh, oh, well, you know, you know, your husband works here
and he's got a good salary we didn't think that you'd be coming back anyway, and, uh, you know, we've got people here that really, you know, need to be working and so that we had just, you know, it was, this way we didn't have to layoff an active person and we'd just let you go. And it took me about a year of arguing, I said, you know, I've got to put this in writing to me, and because until they put it in writing, I couldn't get my insurance benefits Yeah. and I couldn't get my, uh, termination benefits either. There you go. I was just pissed as hell that they could do that. I, I can believe that. But I, I guess things have gotten better, I've been told that this flex hour and those kind of things , Oh, yeah, flex time is great. I still don't think that, they after my experiences that they could, you know, get me to go back, ever again I, I can understand. I can understand.

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