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did you ever see SILVERADO? SILVERADO, uh, who, who was that with? Um, let's see. Danny Glover, Scott Glen, Kevin Kline, um, Brian Dennehy , Jeff Goldblum's in. Uh, John Kreas is in it if you don't blink. That, the the, the title sounds familiar, I'm trying to It was, it was a big western, I mean, I think Roseanne Arquett was in it too, another one that if you blink you'd miss her. Uh, it was, and I think it was like a three hour movie or two and a half hours, and, and it was one of those ones that could have been four hours if they hadn't cut a lot out. Oh, really. Um, but it was, it was really good Um, I, I might have seen part of that because the name sounds familiar although I I would remember, I think in, with him in it. Uh-huh. How about REVENGE,
did you see that with him? No, I didn't, is that any good? With, uh, Anthony Quinn. I thought it was, I like everything he's done so far. Oh, okay. You know, it's, uh, one of those movies that it's not a great movie but it was okay. Yeah, we were in the video store today and somebody was recommending it to somebody. You know the, the people who run the video store was recommending it to somebody else. Yeah it was, it was not a bad movie. Huh, well, I'll have to catch it one of these days. You you, you said you seen NO WAY OUT? Yeah,
that was excellent. Yeah, that was very good. Um, he was in THE UNTOUCHABLES, too. Now that's another one I wanted to see. in fact, that was advertised not too long ago. Yeah, it was on, um, Cable? no, it was on one of the networks, I think last weekend. Uh, or two weeks ago. Okay, I know I saw, yeah, something about it. Yeah, I, um, I wish, I, I mean I'd seen it when, when, you know, it was originally in the theaters and, um, I saw it, you know, I saw part of it again. Uh-huh. I mean I like, you know, I like Costner, I like Sean Connery, and, uh, there's this one, there's this one actor,
it's really silly that I enjoy him a lot but I, I've really enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in, a guy named Charles Martin Smith. I don't know him. Um, you've probably seen him and just, an, you know, oh, that's who the guy is. Do you remember, did you ever see AMERICAN GRAFFITI? No, I, I don't think so. Oh. Did you ever see the movie STAR MAN. Yes. Okay, in STAR MAN, he was the guy chasing after, um, Jeff Bridges and Karen Allen, or Nancy Allen. Okay, okay. You know, short nerdy guy with glasses. Yeah,
yeah. He's, he's just, I, I don't know why but he's always a lot of fun in every movie he's in. He was in the UNTOUCHABLES. He was the accountant Oh, oh I know who you mean. Yeah. He was in, uh, uh, HONEY DON'T SHRINK THE KIDS, wasn't he? No, no, you're thinking of Rick Moranis. He looks like Rick Moranis but he's not Oh, okay, all right, yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. But I have, I've seen quite a few movies, I, I enjoy them. I think that, uh, it's, it's kind of like, uh, good entertainment. An, uh, an escape type of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. How about some of the ads, do you go by the ads when you look at them, or the reviews? Do they influence you a lot. Uh, a little of, a review usually won't make me go see a movie I hadn't already wanted to see. Yeah. Did you see GOODFELLAS? No, it's uh, I want to see it. That that was pretty good. Um, and, Um, we want to see GODFATHER PART THREE also but my, my girlfriend's seen part one and part two although she saw them years ago, Uh-huh. but I've never seen either of the first, you know, of the, of the GODFATHER movies so, we're probably going to like rent those some time and then try to see GODFATHER PART THREE somewhere. I was just going to say, you should see those, uh, first if you can.
Yeah. If if you read the book it's, uh, even better. The book was excellent. Oh, okay, I haven't, never read it. Yeah. and, uh, I was a little disappointed in the third it's GODFATHER THREE. It was not bad but, I expected more, I think. Uh-huh. We just rented, um, a couple weeks ago, a movie called THE FRESHMAN, with, um, it's got Matthew Broderick in it and, um, uh, Marlon Brando. And Brando like does a parody of the character he played in THE GODFATHER. Oh, really. Um, yeah, it's, it's one of the reasons why, you know THE GODFATHER's been on our minds lately. Um, but, uh, there's a bunch of scenes from, uh, uh, from THE GODFATHER that's used because Matthew Broderick's going to film school. And, uh, in his classes they're using, there's a they're running a bunch of scenes from THE GODFATHER
and then he's running into Marlon Brando who is playing, you know, this you know this, uh, organized crime head. Uh-huh. So, it's um, it was, it was a fun movie. Uh. or, uh, I liked RAINMAN, I thought, I thought it was interesting that he was doing Oh, yeah, that was good, I liked RAINMAN, too. Yeah, well I'm, being from Baltimore, of course, I'm a big Barry Levinson fan since, uh, he, he's, you know, he's done a bunch of Baltimore movies. Uh-huh. Um, Barry Levinson did, um, DINER and TINMAN, and AVALON which are all set in Baltimore. Yeah, they sound familiar. I probably saw parts of those. You know, a lot of times I'll I'll start watching a movie
and I'm tired and it, Uh-huh. next thing you know, it's, it's especially if there's commercial in it and then the titles might sound familiar but I really don't know what they're all about. of the three of those, DINER's probably the best. I mean, they're, they're all pretty good, but DINER is really worth seeing. Is that the one set in the fifties, or sixties. Uh, late fifties, yeah. Late fifties, yeah, I think I saw that one. Okay and, uh, How about Meryl Streep, Uh, I don't know,
I'm not a real, uh, great football follower, I guess, there are two basic teams that I seem to follow every year. One is the Dallas Cowboys and the other is the Oklahoma Sooners. Oh, okay. Uh, being a native Okie, I uh, I like to keep up with what the homeboys are doing. Uh. I see, so you make it, uh, to that Longhorns Sooners game? No. Every year. No, it's funny. Uh, I got out and got my bachelor's degree in uh, seventy-three and, uh, never went to a game there and have never gone to a game since. How about that. But I always enjoyed watching them, I just growing up in Oklahoma, there it was always the home team, kind of like Dallas is around here. Yeah, yeah. And there's always been an interest there.
Well, it's kind of same for me, I grew up in southern New Jersey and the local team was Philadelphia. Yeah. And they were like thirty miles right up the river and I'm still pretty much an Eagle fan, I guess. I guess you keep those things you grew up with. I worked in, uh, Missouri for a while and, uh, I was probably the only one in the room several times when we were watching football on T V when the Cowboys were playing the Saint Louis Cardinals and I was rooting for the Cowboys. Yeah. But, they were kind of closer to home when, when I struck up with them. I really don't know what's going to take place with the Cowboys this year. Everybody keeps talking about the reconstruction they're going through and new players and how next year is going to be even bigger and better than the previous year. In a way that happened this past season, and I think that's quite a bit of optimism around here that still there's a chance that maybe, uh, these guys are right, maybe they will come through and, and do something this year. I look for it to be a pretty good year. Boy they, uh, they sure did have a big turn around from a couple of years ago. They did, uh, they got rid of a lot of familiar names and got a lot of names in that we weren't, weren't familiar with.
Some of them turned out to be pretty good players, uh, some of them didn't and you know maybe the stuff that, uh, Jerry Jones is talking about the construction and redefining the team and maybe the effort might be starting to pay off. At least we hope it will. Yeah, I'm, I keep waiting for the Eagles to get over the hump. They make it to the playoffs it seems for the last few years but they just have done absolutely nothing when they got there And you know, they've got a lot of the tools to do it, but doggone if they can't just put it together, uh, you know, they have got the quarterback there in Randal Cunningham, who's just, you know, phenomenal, but, he, he's too streaky it seems. Yeah, but they have always been a really strong team. Yeah, yeah, and without a whole lot of big name players. They have got a few anchors on offense and defense and you know they, they've managed with those guys and I don't know.
Once the pressure gets turned on they, they seem to loose it. I guess, yeah. See that's the typical trait of the Dallas Cowboys. And the Oklahoma Sooners. Yeah. It's funny, over the years. I guess since Staubach left, they haven't been able to, keep it going. It's. It's been a rough tow, a rough road to hoe ever since he left. I don't know why it's so hard to find, uh, a good quarterback these days. Well, that, that says a lot for the, for his ability, though I think. For Staubach's, I mean. Well, yeah. You know, he was one of the few who come through in history that can really perform, uh, we hope, every team hopes their current quarterback is going to pull them through. In a way Aikman has done some of that. But, uh, the guy winds up getting hurt every other game. Yeah, I, I tell you, it's difficult in that guy's position coming into that because there, he was just so highly touted by the press and everybody expected so many big things, you know. Yeah, they did. They put a lot of pressure on him from the outside and from the inside.
Uh, it's funny watching them, them play, he's probably like a lot of quarterbacks, uh, when the pressure is really on when it's down to the last few minutes of the game for the season is when the guys seem to really do their best. Uh-huh. And I haven't quite figured that out, if they figure they have got it won or if there's no real hurry because the first three quarters or, uh, if, uh, if something happens that that adrenalin starts flowing. They say, hey, we got to do something now. And then start playing the game the way the game should be played toward the last few minutes. Yeah. So, I don't know I'm looking for a good year. I guess we're always looking for a good year. So, obviously though, do you think they're going to do anything in the playoffs to make it to the Super Bowl this year or who do you, who do you like to do that this year? Uh, no I don't think the Cowboys have got a chance. I think they will probably win one or two more games than they did this year, and they'll get close to it. They'll probably get everybody's hopes up and blow it toward the end. So who's going to beat them? Who are they going to blow it to? Uh, that's a good question.
Uh, I'm figuring either one either the Eagles or possibly San Francisco I'm not real sure. Boy, they'd some big changes, speaking of them. They did. So, I don't know how these changes are going to help or hinder the team, sometimes it brings in new motivation and all you can do is get out of the way because here they come. Yeah. I'm sure, you know, my sentimental favorite would have to be Philadelphia, but I, I sure am scared of them Giants Well, that's true. Those guys are tough. They are tough and they're big, they're mean and they are going to come right through you if you don't do something. Yeah. That, that sure was a fun Super Bowl to watch this year. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I wasn't pulling for either team.
No, no. But that was just a good football game. And it's funny, you know. You like to pull for the underdog and for a long time I was pulling for Denver. Uh-huh. Uh, Marino makes me just crazy mad sometimes, because of some of the stupid stuff he does, but he's a good quarterback. He's got a good arm, sometimes it's too good because he throws too hard. L A you mean? I mean L A, sorry. Boy, speaking of Denver, on another subject, I've been up there like five times in the last three, four weeks. Oh, yeah? Yeah we've been trying get this new D N B two thousand printer up and running. Has it been, uh, snowing up there? Oh, boy I was just up there,
I just got back last night around eleven thirty or so, and it was about seven inches of snow on the ground. Wow. And it snowed all day. Well, that will make the skiers happy. Oh, yeah, yeah. If, if it snowed that much in Denver you know they got that much up in the mountains, you know, just west of there. Oh, you bet. Oh, yeah, up around the Keystone and Copper Mountain, those guys will love that. Well, good to talk to you. Yeah, enjoyed it Bob. You guys have a good time, keep those printers coming. Hey, we'll do it. All right,
bye. Bye. Go ahead. Okay, do I still still can feel that the Soviet Union, as such, is still a threat to the civilized western world? Absolutely. And my reasons are based upon not only from what I read in the newspapers, what I see on the newspapers, but up against some of the, fun and exciting things I ran into during my six years as a soldier in the Fifth Special Forces Group. Um. Okay. I guess I don't see them as much of a threat as they used to be, but I think just the instability of the country right now is, sort of scary. Well, that's what makes it a powder keg. The, um, I'll go back in time a little bit, to about eighty-one, when my first real involvement with the military started. Uh-huh. Um, naturally we were at the time, the Soviet Union was considered to be the big military power and the big threat. So we got lots, quite a bit of information as well as indoctrination on Soviet tactics and weapons. Uh-huh. I went to Lebanon in eighty-three, before the marines ever got there, with the U N Peace Keeping Force. And with the training I received prior to going there, with captured weapons we kept running up against. These weren't, these weren't Chinese made copies.
These were Soviet made, top of the line, fresh out of the box, A K forty-sevens. As well as a lot of the explosives we were running into. Um, uh-huh. In Granada, in October, twenty-fifth, eighty-three, we invaded the place. Sure there were Cuban soldiers there, but there was also a bunch of Russian advisors that were damn good shots. The team I was with, we jumped in on the western tip of, of the island down on Point Salinas. And for every Cuban there was at least five Russian advisors. Huh. And they were all shooting state of the art Soviet weapons. In eighty-four, I was down in Central America, as an advisor to the Honduran Army. Again we were running up against Cubans quite a bit, plus Soviet advisors. And the equipment we were capturing and taking from the Nicaraguans, was brand new, out of the crate, Soviet made material. Do I consider them a threat? Absolutely. They have a university in Moscow called the Patrice de Lamumba University. About like A and M or U T, where they're teachings subjects like that, they're teaching terrorism. Some of the people we went up against in Lebanon were graduates from that place. And let me tell you, they are nothing nice to go up against. Huh. I'm surprised during this Iraqi crisis we didn't have more incidents than they did.
These guys are top of the line. When they, when they graduate from there, they can pull terrorist actions anywhere in the free world. And they are very, very good at what they do. So until I see the entire, quote, old guard of the Soviet military, of the Soviet government completely roll over and disappear, preferably buried, I still consider them a threat. Uh-huh. Their military is different from ours, to where there are extremist generals that actually control tens and thousands of troops. That irregardless of what Soviet policy is, they're going to do what the general tells them. Yeah. I guess that's what concerns me the most. Is they're, they're so unstable that somebody like that could make, uh, decisions that would jeopardize a lot of people. Well, it's interesting watching the different Soviet states, Albania, Lithuania, doing their little revolts down there. Uh-huh. Each one of those sectors has got a Soviet general over the troops that are there. So far they haven't run into the real psychos yet. There's probably five or six, which would be an equivalent of our joint chiefs of staffs, that are in positions over some of these Soviet states. If uprisings happen in their sectors, it is, it's going to be a total blood bath. Yeah, it looks like it's come close to that as it is. Actually, they're showing remarkable restraint. They get real nasty, the hyundee helicopters come out
and they, would level entire areas. Okay, you're from the Dallas area, right? Uh-huh. Okay, you know, basically the size of, uh, the area around Richardson? Yeah. You put five Soviet hyundee helicopters in the air, they can level the entire area and there won't be anything left alive. And they can do that in about four minutes. Huh. And they've got entire squadrons of those just standing by. They used them in Afghanistan, did remarkably well considering the terrain they were flying in. But on a highly populated area, like some of the Soviet cities would be, with the weaponry that's attached on those things, there is no place to hide. If the bombs don't get you, if the bullets don't get you, then, then the nerve gas definitely will get you. The only drawback on that little piece of machinery is they only got five minutes of air time. They drink that much fuel. Uh-huh. Were you, have you,
I take it you haven't spent any time in the military? No, I haven't. As a civilian that's never been attached to any form of the military, I know a lot of this stuff that I was involved in, never did make the newspapers. Uh-huh. But, during that same time frame, didn't you get some feeling, that, I mean, they're getting all these weapons and stuff? Didn't it bug you a little bit why they kept coming up with all this stuff? You mean in the, in the most recent conflict? In any of them since eighty-one. Oh. Yeah, definitely. I, I'm, I'm a little bit shocked to what the U S has done in terms of selling to Iraq in the past ten to fifteen years. Yeah, I think we, we kind of shoot ourselves in the foot that way too. It's bad enough that the Soviets do it. It all boils down to, whether it's our side, their side, it's a matter of money, to a certain extent. Um. Uh-huh.
The deal the Iraqis have with the Russians was for oil. Yeah. It's scary to know that they're supplying that many people with weapons. Especially when it's to the south of us. Uh, the ones to the south are more regional conflict. They're not really that worried about invading north. They're more interested in, they've got a screwed up situation, I'll give them that. From Mexico all the way down into Central and South America. The situation down there is weird and it's very screwed up. Uh-huh. Inflation is out of this world and the governments, which our government has technically supported for years, are corrupt as all get out. And generally the people, are getting screwed, and they're tired of it, and they're willing to try anything to get out from under it, even if that means going to communism. Yeah. Well, I think Russia is getting to the point where they're, they're about to do something to get out of communism. I guess I'd would like to see somebody like Yeltsin to get more power. I think Gorbachev has about had his day. Unfortunately, Yeltsin's got too many connections with the old guard.
That's the only drawback that I see with the entire thing. Yeah. Gorbachev has made his attempt and he's had his problems with some of the old guard himself. Uh-huh. Yeltsin's in tight with the old guard. So it may be trying to choose between the lesser of two evils, at this point. Uh-huh. True I don't know, I sure wouldn't turn my back on them. You mean, I understand when they pulled the troops out of, uh, or they reduced the number of troops in Europe after the Berlin Wall went down, I thought that was great. But by no means do I endorse or approve pulling everybody out. Uh-huh. It may be a much reduced force than what we used to have over there. But you still better have the key players in place, if something does go down. Even if it's a regional conflict. If United States is going to flex its muscle and be the super power that it is, not only does it, it can talk the talk, but it's got to be able to walk the walk. It's got to have the stuff to back it, back up what it's saying.
If you've only got a token force there, you can't hold your ground. At least they're learning a little bit from history. I mean, uh, So, well, this is an appropriate topic the day after Earth Day, so. Right. Um, well, what do you think is, uh, the pollutants, the main pollutants in the air? I have trouble with the chemical plants and things like that I just, uh, I think they put off so much and they're not regulated enough. Yeah, well , that's me too. After, um, on channel thirteen, uh, they had some, some programs the day before, and I'm not sure that about yesterday, we didn't really watch it too much yesterday, but the day before they had a lot of programs about the environment and, you know, how we're affecting the Earth and things by what we do, as the people Uh-huh. and, and they mentioned sulfur and carbon dioxide a lot, Yeah. and that actually, um, as our population increases and, you know, our, of course, our, our cars, you know, our number of cars increase per the population, that's the problem. But also like you said the industry pollution and, you know, their their regulation that's placed on them is, I mean, it's better than it used to be
but it's incredible that they still don't have, you know, they don't, they're not made to regulate the amount of pollutants that they put into the air. Right. You know, I, I just, I can't stand that and I know for a fact that they get away with a lot that, you know, they're supposed to be regulated because we have a, we have a plant, I don't know about T I but we have a plant, uh, a Pillsbury plant, in, in a town adjacent to ours, Uh-huh. and I know people that work there that, of course, you wouldn't think Pillsbury would put out certain chemicals, No. but they put out toxic chemicals there just in some of the, um, what they do, uh, to, uh, make their dough and to, clean out the flour and stuff like that, Really? yeah, Huh. I mean, it's incredible. And, um, they said that they're, you know, they have a little creek that runs by them and some of the people that work there have told me that when they have inspectors coming they, you know, shut down everything and they clean up their act, but on a normal basis that they're, that they're dumping things, that they're not supposed to be dumping, Oh. and I'm like, if they're getting away with it, can you imagine,
Right. that's a, that's a Pillsbury plant I can't imagine plants, I wouldn't have thought that Pillsbury could, would, the, I mean, or even had you know, well, those chemicals would not, Yeah, they have chemicals that they use to refine their flours with and stuff, you know to, to break the flours down Yeah. and then they, they also do testing there, and I don't, you know, when you consider, you know, it's probably not radioactive but toxic can be, can be anything that's uh, classified that can damage the Earth. Right, yeah. So, there could be a lot of things that they could put, you know, that chemical wise that they use to, uh, that they are testing with, that they're dumping. Right, you know, like in, In packaging Yeah. and, uh, you know, just goodness. Yeah,
I don't think they do the packaging at this plant, Yeah. but they do, they do a lot of research and they do, um, they do, do a lot of the refining up there or, Yeah. I'm not really, what's it called when you do flour, I'm not, Uh, only thing I can think is bleaching but, I mean, I, I don't know what's, how they do the flour. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, we, we're on the southwest side of Houston we don't have that much as far as, uh, aiming in the plants over on this, uh, the east side does. Uh-huh. We've got Imperial sugar but, uh, and they're, you know, they're right there on the creek also and, uh, they've been there for years. Yeah.
And, uh, But, I mean, you think about it, it, you know, it's probably a lot easier to detect things that go into the ground than it is maybe to just, I'm not really sure but I would think it would be easier to detect those things because you could detect them down or stream or such, Yeah. or you can, you can, you know, do, uh, testing on the ground itself at that point, Uh-huh. but when they pollute into the air and you've got, you know, and you've got movement through the air, it's going to move a lot of that off. So, I don't see, you know, how they can do some of the unless it just hangs there like in places where it's a lot of pollution, you know, like in Los Angeles or, or the bigger cities where it, it tends to get stuck there, Uh-huh. you know, that you have a lot more particles in the air, you know, per, per, uh, per particles in the surrounding community because it's not moved away, Right, yeah. Uh-huh. but, um, I know that, I worry every now and then,
we're still on a well water, we're not on city water, Uh-huh. and I think, well, what if somebody's dumped something back there in the, and no one knows about it and, you know, it sinked in through the ground and all that, Yeah, well, I know out in some, I'm not sure, I can't remember the name of the county it's, it's where Stillwater is or, sweet, Yeah. no I'm not sure, I know it, I think it's, uh, I know we have a piece property there, it's called Dublin, Uh-huh. it's in Dublin, Texas. I'm not really sure what the county, it's Stephen,
no Stephenville. Oh, okay, okay. Okay, where Stephenville's at, they've had a lot of problems because they've, um, introduced a lot of dairies there, Uh-huh. Yeah. so, they have a lot of cattle in the area, I mean, they've got like per, per, uh, per lot, you know, they've got like a lot of head of cattle because dairies they don't it's not like it was a big ranch where they let the cow roam around free, Right, uh-huh. they've got to have them there to be able to milk them. And they, and I read in this article, I couldn't believe it, where, you know, like, one cow produces, like, a day, produces like a hundred or so pounds of manure. Oh. One cow, I was like, my God,
and they, and this thing says that, that, you know, people think, well, cow manure is good for fertilizer but when you get that much manure it says it becomes a real problem because it's not, it's not when, you know, you buy cow manure at the store they've added stuff to it and they've added humus and stuff that, breaks it down, Uh-huh. and, and this, and this article said that they've got a real problem that, um, you've got toxins and, and, uh, bacteria in the manure that is, what it's doing is it's going through, uh, they don't have a very deep, um, you know, their water, their natural water, uh, Uh-huh. I forget what that's called with, you know, it's like a spring, spring water, Yeah. but it's below the surface it's not very far down, Uh-huh. and all this stuff is seeping through to the water, Oh. and they're like, they're afraid that, you know, within a certain amount of years, that it's, their they're water in that town will be totally polluted,
It will. and they won't be able to have any drinking water because they will have, um, polluted, completely polluted, so that they're, you know, there's too many toxins and bacterial growth, Uh-huh, yeah, and the and I'm like my God, you know, just from that one, you know, just from them introducing dairy farms, in that one county. Right. Right. Yeah, and the, the ground will filter some of it but not all of it. No, not when you figure, I didn't realize a cow, one cow produces that much manure and they were talking like, thousands of cows, you know, they were talking thousands cows in one little tiny area. These are well fed . These are, You, Good grief, these are well fed cows, uh, Well, they are evidently. But, um, I mean, evidently a normal cow produces that much too,
Uh-huh. but they're just so spread out on ranches and stuff that it's not, you know, a problem, Right. but when they get them in these tiny little areas, you know, and they've got a real big problem, and they, they said that, that what they were doing was scraping it with bulldozers and stuff, and taking it to, uh, these like ponds that they had to filter it with, Uh-huh. but the ponds because they've had so much rain in the past few years, they just, overflow Yeah. and they overflow into the, the creeks and stuff in the area. So, that just creates, you know, there, there's, and, oh, it was just disgusting it said the creeks will foam. Oh. People, people stand outside their houses and their, watch the creeks foam brown and all, Oh, now that's bad. and I'm just like, oh, my gosh, and the smell is really bad they Oh, I was going to say, the air pollution alone there just from a hundred pounds of cow manure was going to be bad. Yeah,
but I, I don't know it really frightens me though as far as the, when you think about the, you know, thinking of just air pollution itself and then, and, channel thirteen they're really, um, emphasizing the problem with acid rain, you know, Uh-huh. if we, if we keep putting that stuff into the air and, and, you know, if we keep creating the problem and not doing anything about it that it's really going to be a problem for, um, just the, the Earth, you know, what the Earth is receiving back, you know, because how can you tell where it's going to come down at. Yeah. Right, right. And then cutting the trees, you know, that bothers me. Yeah. As far as, you know the The rain forest and all. yes, uh, we've been wanting to, well, not me but, uh, it's been or suggested that we cut a few of the trees down here, I'm like, no, you know, for what's cut down here, you know, more will be cut down someplace else and it will just take that longer to grow back, Yeah.
and trees help so that, uh, I don't, Well, they do because, what is it, carbon dioxide, they use that where we can't synthesize it Uh-huh. and they're synthesizing it for us. Right, right, believe me it's just so much better. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I knew, I think there's lots that be, that could be done to, to improve how things are done now. Yeah, I think we just have to, I don't know personally, you know, I suppose, you know, if you just make sure your car is, is working properly Uh-huh. and you know, they're nowadays they have the emission controls on them
but, uh, I think the only, the main thing is just keep on the, your legislator's back, you know, as far as, seems like they've only just really started as far as the environment saying, okay, we're really going to get involved Uh-huh. it, it's really becoming a problem. By the year two thousand there will, what, what are we going to have, what kind of results are we going to have for the environment. Right. And, and what will we ... Huh? Okay. I don't know how much I know about this subject Well, I don't know if I know anything or not, Yeah. but I've, I've got some opinions on it. Okay. Go ahead. See those type of people that, that have the most opinions, ones that don't know anything Yeah Well, uh, I've had teenagers
and I now have grandchildren that are teenagers, and I don't know that it might do them a little bit of good to see the world from a different perspective. Uh, I think this "me" generation has gone far too far. And the young people are overly impressed. And I think it wouldn't hurt them to step back from themselves just slightly and see things from a far more disadvantaged viewpoint. That's true. Uh, I personally know nothing about the Peace Corps though. Um, me either. I, I went to college and then started working and then got married and, But they have, I read somewhere, and I'm, I'm out on a limb here, some type of college, uh, volunteer work for teachers, that they are straight out of college and they do one year of volunteer work teaching in the, uh, lower income brackets of the United States. Have you ever heard about that one? No, I haven't, I know that, uh, my sister, I have a twin sister and when they graduated she went to, uh, teach in a small town down in south Texas
and I know, that like if you have college notes, if you teach in a lower income bracket where they don't pay as much and they cancel part of your, you know, your college note or whatever. Oh, really? Uh-huh. If it's like, you know, really a, you know, a lower paying job, you know, where in a small town you don't obviously you don't need as much as far as to, you know, to live. And this is money that she's borrowed to form her college education? Yeah, she only taught there one year but I, But she got credits for it? Uh-huh. That's very interesting. And, um, I think it would be, I know that also one of my cousins who, uh, he is in like the therapy type thing and he was, um, some group paid part of his college income but then he was required to go back and work for a certain number of years in this town at, uh, uh, I mean, it's a nursing home or something like that. Huh. So, you know, if, I think that's a good way for people to, you know, maybe get people to come back to these small towns to work by helping people that normally might not be able to go to college and get the type of degree they want.
Yeah, I think that is an excellent program, I really do. I like that. And it's, it's beneficial to the small towns too because, they really, really have, have a disadvantage that we wouldn't understand because we're in the Metroplex. Yeah. As far as yeah, getting doctors and all that stuff, yeah. Right, you know, if, if we had some really major health problem that required a specialist, we could find one it wouldn't be convenient, Yeah. but we could find one. Uh-huh. We wouldn't have to drive and spend the night someplace or something like that. Yeah. So, I, I can see the advantage to that one. The Peace Corps itself is really a, uh, dying out, isn't it? I really don't know that much about it, you know, I, I, I think of the Peace Corps, you know, more like the sixties and that kind of stuff when, It's still in existence. Yeah.
And don't they go into other countries and stuff? I want to believe they go into other countries and teach them how to do things like farm, uh, dig their own wells, set up, their schools. Uh-huh. Things that make the, yeah. Make them more self-supporting? Yes. They, Yeah. It's not a program to teach them to use the American money, it's a program to teach them to be more self-reliant. Right. Yeah. And, yes, you're right, I think it's a sixties program. I think it was one of Kennedy's hot points that he, that was his big deal. But it definitely would give a lot of the kids now that have everything given to them that they want to see what it's like if you don't have all the money and can't have what you want when you want it. Right. Right.
Um, I think I, I've singled out my grandchildren and but actually they're, they're pretty good, along those lines as compared to what I have seen from other people's children and grandchildren, mine aren't really that bad, Uh-huh. but at the same time I think it would do them a world of good. Yeah. But there's a, I don't, I don't know that you could require everyone to, do that for, yeah, to do it for a whole year, or two years or something like that, Mandatory just like, like the draft. No. I don't know that that would work if, somebody's, was, didn't really want to be there and didn't have, Every time you, They could buy their way out. Yeah, I mean, there would be loopholes just like there is in anything else Right, you know, they, they'd figure a way around that one in a heartbeat. But, I'm wondering if there's another issue here, and maybe this is why this has died out. Can you go into, and this wasn't the question
but it's, it may be the more of the issue versus should young adults, can they go in there and can anyone go into, well, out of the Kurdish community is a little bit extreme at this time, but say, I think Bangladesh would have been a good example or some, some really desperate situation and teach them to farm and teach them and it doesn't do any good. Yeah. I don't know that it does. I, I, don't know that, um, if you step back from the current issue and look at it more intellectually, there are forever over, as long as we know there are races of people that are dropping out. Yeah. You know, we're losing certain, races of people. Uh-huh. There are people now that are obsolete point and fact just, just like endangered species of animals, so there are quote tribes of people, that are endangered or obsolete. Uh-huh. And I'm just wondering if you're fighting a natural process there of being winnowed out. There's a German word for it that's elegant, but I never can remember what it was, uh, but, but that they're, they're being winnowed because they're, where they are they're not adapted to their environment essentially. Right, yeah.
Um, and one of the quick examples is the Aborigines. Yeah, uh-huh. Uh, when we were in Australia, uh, sad little things. Uh, I felt sorry for them. Because their society isn't there anymore, and their belief system and all their structured of theirs, all the structures of their society are gone, essentially. Yeah. And they're just kind of more like a side show than anything else and that's sad. Yeah. But I don't think there's any way you could go, uh, the Peace Corps could go in and rescue those people, and I don't think you could have done it fifty or a hundred years ago either. Yeah. So, I, I'm wondering if the Peace Corps is, really an effective tool. Well, Down here with the Peace Corps we're talking about all these people that aren't even in our own country when there's enough people here that I think probably need help and, could be helped. Good point. We've got enough without without a passport there's plenty. Yeah.
Yes. I think we ought to worry about our own species. And maybe rather than just, require somebody to join like the Peace Corps for a year maybe like, um, during college, you know, maybe have some kind of course where they'd be required to do some kind of community service type work, and help people in that area or people in the United States. I wonder now in, and I've been out of school too long to answer this, but I wonder if there aren't some sociology courses. There probably are, you know, for but I'm sure, that's probably like people that do that are, are the people that are going to go into social work and stuff but I think that it wouldn't really be half bad for everybody not to do something, you know, and realize it's everybody's responsibility to, um, help these people, you know, and I'm not saying just give them money but, I mean, because they have to be taught to be, That's the last thing you want, to do. Yeah I mean, I know that's what my father-in-law was talking about, you know, when you give these people money or, what was it they were bringing up points asking as far as whether they need to give, um, more money to these people, I mean, and that's not really the answer, I mean , because if they're alcoholics they'll just go out and spend, it on, you know, booze or something like that,
Yeah, that's exactly it. but. They're not going to take that money you give them and go try to figure out a way to dry out with it. Now come on, let's be realistic, Yeah. that's just not realistic. Or, you know, to find a job where they can learn how to support themselves, Right. I mean, I guess we're getting kind of off the subject, here, but. No, we're not I don't think. I think, that's more realistic than making them go in the Peace Corps. Yeah, I mean it's, True. Yeah. I think that's a lot more realistic. Uh, I, I think that we should be spending more time
and, and again I don't think the, the Peace Corps is, is as successful now simply because it's not. It doesn't fit the circumstance anymore. Yeah. Uh, we've got plenty, in fact, we've got far too many. You're in, uh, what Flower Mound? Flower Mound, yeah. So, we're a little you know, farther removed from like Dallas and some of the areas where they probably have more of the homeless and that type of thing. I was, that's exactly what I was going to ask you. Have you ever, have, have you been downtown Start. What kind of recycling programs do you have in Rowlett? Um, well right now they've got a, kind of a central location off of the main highway, and they've got some great big bins there for newspaper, um, plastic, um, I think three bins for glass, white, green, and whatever other combination there is. And, and I think they've got a uh, some kind of container for aluminum. Plano's doing real good on that. They have, uh, they start off putting out great big huge garbage cans. Which we're supposed to put all our week's garbage into it, Uh-huh.
and of course it doesn't fit right now. Yeah. But now we start in May, breaking it down, and they're picking it all up. Um. So they're going to by, and we have to separate our papers, and our glass, and then, uh, they have one day for, like, um, oh, everything you picked up from your yard, Uh-huh. and we put that in disposable bags, and they pick that up on Monday. Um. So it's really great. I, I'm really going head, you know, completely for it, I think it's marvelous. Well, that's good. Well, Rowlett had sent, sent out a survey, not too long ago, um, in terms in how many people were interested in having a, a pick up, I guess, on the days they do trash or something like that. And apparently a lot of people responded to it favorably, because they're going to do it. I don't know how, how soon they're going to do it, or how organized it's going to be, but they're, they're supposed to initiate that sometime in the next couple of months.
Well, does your, uh, where you work, do they also have aluminum cans pickups and things like that? Um, I've never noticed that. We don't have a, a whole lot, because we're in a hospital setting, so most of the things we have are through our cafeteria. Um, Well, down in the cafeteria do they have any place where you can put your, you know, pop cans, and things like that? Um, no. There's, there's only one pop machine and it's not accessible to the cafeteria now, so, uh, mainly what they serve in there is juice and coffee and tea. So you don't have much choice there. No Not, not really. Well I work at, uh, J C Penny and last week they brought, they have a sign up that says for one full week you bring in your old wire hangers Uh-huh. and they're going to recycle them. Um. So it's getting people clean out their closets and such.
Uh-huh. And then like, the week before that, they said go through your cupboards and any food that is still good, bring it in and they brought it down to the shelters. And, they have, one, two, they have three, I think, that I know of for cans for people have pop, Uh-huh. and they put them right near where they have the time cards. Yeah. And it works great. And they have one in the room where the snack machines are too. That's good. So they're really going at it, and I think it's marvelous because, Yeah. I, I guess Rowlett's done a lot for the size town it is. Well, And I think they're trying to, to make some changes. I, I noticed at the library or someplace this past, uh, month, month and a half ago, they were having a speaker, um, talk about doing lawn work and, how important it is to, to cut your lawn without a bag. Just to kind of mulch it, rather than bag it up, because of all the the grass that's being bagged and being hauled away by the garbage trucks and stuff, Uh-huh. and it's, uh, I guess a lot more ecological to just mow the grass and let it work its way back into the soil. Well, did you watch the program the other night on, um, was it SAVE AMERICA?
I saw part of that. It was good. The only thing I thought, um, that I haven't been trying, is when I, you know, go to take a shower, to save the water, and to put it on my plants. Which I had never thought about before. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But I've already gone to, oh I started years ago, I guess, not years ago, but, yeah I would say five years ago, turning off my fountain, I mean my water faucet, in the sink when I brush my teeth. Uh-huh. But I didn't realize that was the biggest waste of water. Yeah. That was surprising to me. Um. I missed that question, totally, I mean really bad. I'm trying to think, I didn't miss too many, I can't remember what my score was, but I did exceeding well. I was surprised.
But I didn't realize that our garbage isn't being decomposed. That was a shocker to me. Yeah, well there are a lot of things that aren't, I'm , that's, uh, one of the things I wonder about, uh, one of the questions was, do you think more should be done, or something else. I, I wonder about some of the products that they don't take, like some of the plastics and things that they don't take. Uh, why, why they couldn't do more recycling with those. Well, I was in, uh, Bizmart the other day, and, what I don't understand is there is recycled paper in there, and it cost more than regular paper. Um. And it was only, I think, uh, forty cents more, you know, fifty cents more, but, It upset me to realize that, hey, the recycling that they're going through the expense of recycling, Yeah. but people aren't buying it, so the cost of it is higher. True. Yeah, I noticed that about things like
I I seen a lot of adds recently for organic fertilizers and, and lawn additives and that type of thing, but the cost is, is like, double or sometimes triple, what the regular things you, fertilizers and things you buy. Uh-huh. So, in, in terms of that, it's, you know, and, for the environment it's, it's, there's a good reason to do it, but the cost is kind of prohibitive. Now, see that's recycling, you know, companies that do at least go into it, I'd like to see subsidy by the government or something, or tax-wise or something, heavily enough to where they could get their prices lower than regular. Uh-huh. So that people would use this stuff over again. Yeah, it's a good idea. It's like when he was saying, uh, which one was recyclable, which was reusable, Uh-huh. and the recycle ones are better to use, but lots of times you don't even see the signs on the bottles. Yeah, true.
And if we're going to really do something, they ought to put that stuff out bigger for people to see it. I had to put my bifocals on to see it Um. That's hard when you're in a grocery store and you're short anyway. Yeah. You have to get enough nerve to ask somebody to take something off the top shelf. You haven't got enough nerve to say well, put it back, it's not recyclable. I, I'd heard something stranger, talk about bottles the other day on, uh, on the radio station, I think it's K L T Y. They were talking about the, I think it's in Canada they're using, oh, recyclable milk jugs, plastic milk jugs, as a, a reinforcement for roads. For road repairs. Uh-huh. Oh, really? And apparently they, they don't break down very easily, and, they don't expand or, or contract when the weather changes, Oh. and this is kind of an unusual use for that type of thing. You know they're, along that same line, they said they were using, um, what is, oh, I know,
it was toilets. You know, the old ones? Smashing them up, because they're, that stuff there is great for, in road work. Uh-huh. Huh. And I thought, well, that's good. And then I saw recycling on tires between, uh, well, hoses were being used, and, uh, uh, soaker hoses, made out of old tires. Uh-huh. Yeah. What else, something else was made out of old tires, I was trying to remember what it was. Oh, I can't think of it now. But I was, I was trying to get my, uh, kids, you know, to see different things that we could come up with for recycling purposes. Uh-huh. And just anything, to, you know, recycle rather than keep throwing it away, but my biggest problem is, I take the bags out of the store, buy the bags to bring the back, and then I forget to bring them in the store. Yeah. I'm forever going back out to my car to pick up my bags to bring them and take my garbage back out. I wish they'd really push this recycling bit, because I never realized, I really didn't realize how much stuff I actually throw away. Well, I think the, the more people are aware of it, the, the more they'll do.
I think that's just the biggest problem is keeping it in, in front of the public so they understand how serious the problem is, and how important it is to do that. You know what I'd like to see a little more. I don't have any little tiny kids, Uh-huh. but if they get the little tiny kids saving it now, in five years, when they get bigger, it'll work a little bit more, too. Yeah. True. Because it's, we've all got to do it right now. I just, I really amazed to find out that, what is it, eighty per cent are filled now, in, in garbage fills. In five years we're supposed to be at max. Uh-huh. I don't think I can keep my own garbage. I mean, I might not have that much, but I wouldn't, I started when I was in college. You know, they always offer credit cards for college students. Yes. So I went ahead, and accepted every one that I was offered. Because I knew it would be easier to go ahead and get them and establish credit early.
Uh-huh. Right. So, I I pack around a lot of them, but I only use a few of them. You have a lot of discipline. They make it really easy for people to, uh, to get credit cards, especially college students. Yeah. I have, uh, two daughters who, who both are in college or, in fact, one has finished now. But they both have a lot of credit cards. And they give you such high credit limits. Uh-huh. It's, it's easy to get caught up in the minimum payment trap. Uh, right. And then they, they give you, uh, uh, the credit limit, and then you're always seemingly up to that limit. Now I have quite a few credit cards that I'm always almost up to the limit on most of them. And that's, that's how a lot of people get into trouble. Yeah. I've got, I've got two that I, you know, that usually I'll have a balance on.
Uh-huh. And then all of the others I just try to use kind of like you would an American Express card and, and pay it off every month. Right. And that way I feel like I'm getting, you know, a thirty day loan. Yeah. But I don't have to worry about, you know, running them up too high, except at Christmas. Then they usually go, then they usually get run up pretty good. Yeah. Well, you have a lot of discipline. I, uh, I'm trying my best right now to pay off some of mine. I, I've, I've paid off about four credit cards this year. Uh-huh. And, uh, but still I have some that are, are up to the limit. And especially the Visa Card that you can go and get cash on Yeah. And it seems like every time I'm short of cash, I just go get, get it from Visa. Now that's one, that's I've never used my Visa for cash before. Uh-huh. Can you use it like at a bank machine
Uh, or, Well, uh, you can go in a bank and just hand them the Visa Card and say, "I want a cash advance." Or if they've sent you a, uh, a number that you can use. You know, a, a personal identification number that you can use in the, uh, impact machines or whatever, you, you can do that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Because I have one that I don't have a pin number for. You know, sometimes you have to ask them for that. Yeah. And then I have one that, uh, just gave me the pin number automatically. Now we got, that's, that's funny you said that. Because we got a credit card, uh, my husband and I got credit cards in the mail one day that we hadn't even applied for. Uh-huh. Now a couple of weeks later we got, we got pin numbers, and then we got, uh, a bill saying, you know, uh, the yearly fee, it was like forty dollars. Right. And we, we cut them up and sent them back because we, we hadn't even applied for them, and we didn't want them. But they, they had just automatically approved us and sent them without even contacting us. Oh, wow!
So I thought, man, I don't know if I trust this or not Well, they, they do that a lot if you have good credit and you have been paying your bills on time. everybody in the world will offer you a, a credit card. It's like, let's see if we can get her to run up her bills But it's hard, I mean, it's, it's tempting when you see something to say, "Well, I'll just charge it." And sometimes I'll do that, but usually I, I will try to pay everything off the next month or the ones that usually have an outstanding balance all the time, I'll, I'll pay more than the minimum payment. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Just I I feel like even that little bit helps. Right. Well, you know, the way the economy's going and inflation and the recession and all that, I think we, we really need to try to stay out of debt as much as possible. That's, that's why I've, I've really started to try to, to pay off mine and get out of debt. Because we never know when we might, you know, get laid off or something. I know it. Especially me. I work for Texas Instruments, and they've had, had a lot of, of, uh, you know, layoffs lately. Well, I work for T I too.
You do? And I think they're getting ready to, to probably sell us out, our division. Where are you? In Johnson City, Tennessee. Johnson City, uh-huh. I know they're selling out somebody in Colorado Springs. Yeah. Yeah. They just, they just announced that, didn't they? Yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's kind of a bad time to be a slave to your credit cards. It, it certainly is. I've, uh, I have worked on a part, part time job, uh, where I was a collector. For, uh, uh, a jewelry company Uh-huh. People, uh, that they just had this jewelry account. It was Zales jewelry, in fact. And, uh, a whole bunch of I mean they have about a thousand collectors, I guess.
Man! And, uh, there's just so many people that have bought jewelry, which is really a luxury item Yeah. and then they, they just can't pay for it. Something, something happens, you know, and you hear so many stories listening to them. Like, uh, you know, they lost their job or, uh, they, they've signed for a friend. You know, they got it in their name but they got it for a friend Oh. and then the friend wouldn't pay them. Didn't pay them. and now they're stuck with the bill, and it's ruining their credit and you really have to watch it, this you know. Man. Because, That's scary. Yeah. Because every, every month all of these credit cards report to the credit bureau, you know. Automatically, most of them do.
I didn't realize that. Yeah. And if you, if you're, uh, it's bad because if you, you know, your bill is due on the fifteenth then you're not past due until the fifteenth of the next month. Yeah. Oh, okay. But, you know, if you, if you pay one day after that fifteenth, you're not one day late, you're thirty days late. They don't, they don't recognize any time difference, do they? Right, Ooh, right. that's scary. and, anyway, we need to watch our credit reports and all that kind of, That's something I never thought about getting, you know, checking with to see what, what your credit report looked like. Uh-huh. Well, you know, you, you can do that. I believe it costs about ten dollars. Might be worth it for peace of mind. Oh, yeah.
It is, it is. You might even find somebody's been reporting on you and you didn't even know it. You know, you, I mean you might think you're paying something on time or and you, by that day and you're thirty days is not real bad though anyway. phone line that persists through the end of the recording. Sounds like a cordless phone is being If you've got a charge off on your credit report or something like that. Yeah. That's when it really gets bad. Or something you haven't paid in sixty days or ninety days, you know. And things like that I think that Discover Card has a good idea with, you know, giving you a little cash back incentive for each amount you, you purchase. As long as you don't go crazy trying to get cash back. Uh-huh. And since they don't have the yearly fee. Do they charge a lot of interest on that card? I don't know. I don't, I've never, I haven't gotten one. Just because it's, uh, uh, Uh-huh. I felt like with Visa and Mastercard and American Express you didn't need another one. Uh-huh.
I would think it wouldn't be, you know, much more than the eighteen or nineteen percent everyone else charges. Yeah So that, that wouldn't be too bad. Well, always watch out for anybody who bills you out of Atlanta, Georgia. Or there's a couple of other places that are able to charge us like twenty-one and twenty-two percent interest. I know, I had a charge with, uh, Spiegel, and I hadn't read the, uh, terms of the credit agreement really. Yeah. And, uh, when I did, I, you know, I realized that, that it just looked, seemed like I was never paying the balance off, you know. And I looked at the credit card agreement one day, and it was like twenty-three percent interest. Holy cow! And that's the one bill that I hurry up, hurried and paid up. Definitely. And, and I've always watched it since then. That's awful. You really have to watch those interest rates. I mean, I mean there's no point in giving them any more money than we have to. That's true.
So, So anyway, they can't bill you any higher than eighteen percent, I think, in, in Texas. But there, there are a couple of states that can. Oh, that's great. And one to watch out for is anybody that bills you out of Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia. I'll try to remember that one. Well, Well, let's see. I was trying to think if there was anything else Uh, the, I guess the worst problem I ever had with, with a credit card though was, um, I got a, an item on my bill that I had never purchased. Uh-huh. I had ordered a sofa and had filled out the paperwork, but they weren't supposed to process it until they delivered it. Uh-huh. And I changed my mind, Uh-huh. but then they went ahead and charged it on my account. Oh. And it took me about eighteen months to get that, all of that mess off of my account. Wow!
So that's, that's probably the worst thing I've ever had happen with a credit card. I wonder if they ... Okay. Hi Norma. Hi. Have you taken anything back lately, uh, that you've bought? Well the only thing we've taken back recently are plants. Shrubbery, that were guaranteed Well why? and we had no problem with it. Very good. We got our got our money back. Good. Well do you think that, uh, consumer goods, goods are generally getting better, or worse in quality? Well, I believe they're better. I do too. I believe about ten years ago that we went through a terrible time, but I don't, I, I believe that they're better now, you know, I think so.
I don't think they're shoddy, not as shoddy. Electrical appliances I think are pretty good, reliable. however, I didn't like it very well when the transmission went out on my car with sixty-three thousand miles on it. Right And I don't like it very well if, when my electric blanket that was only one year old went out at, uh, on one side. Oh, did you return it? No, I had moved away. No, uh-huh. I had taken the first one back. I didn't think that it heated well enough. It never did get anything but just moderately warm, took it back and, uh, the people told me well that's the way it's supposed to be and I fell for it and, uh, when I got this one it did, a it heated a little bit warmer and then after one year it started heating only on one side. Huh, so either you or your husband can be warm but not both
Also, I took an iron back after having it only one year. Oh. Now I figure uh, anybody that is dumb enough to iron, needs to have an iron that will last a long time, and one year of ironing only once a week is not long enough for it to last. No, huh-uh. Did they replace it? Well without even any question, but I think it was the store. Uh-huh. Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart, I was going to say, it must have been Wal-Mart. Yes And, uh, well, have you been buying any clothes lately? Any new clothes? I haven't bought any new well the last thing I bought was a dress last Summer. And the buttons turned on it over the winter. The buttons tarnished slightly and I have not gone back about it.
That was poor quality, I think. I think it is too, and it was an expensive dress. I wondered if it weren't expensive, Yes it was. and they should have put buttons on it that would last forever. That's right, that's what I think too. And one belt loop, the uh, you know, like the chain link, chain belt loop half of it raveled out. Yes. And that was, I believe a Leslie Faye dress and it was, I think, over a hundred dollars. You spent that much on your dresses? Yeah, I don't usually, but I did that one. You're really divulging very personal information. But I think it should have been better than that, for that money, is what I mean. Oh, of course, I do too.
Well I believe that we've been talking about five minutes. Okay, I think so. And Norma, it is just wonderful to talk to you. Good talking to you too, I've enjoyed it You are a good one to talk about consumer goods, because you keep up on it all the time. Well, we'll be talking to you later. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. And, uh, what part of Virginia, uh? Uh, I live down in the south western part of Blacksburg. Blacksburg. Okay, I've been, Uh-huh, have you ever heard of Virginia Tech? Sounds vaguely familiar. V P I. Yeah,
okay. Yeah, okay. I, I hadn't been down in that part of the state really. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, we vacation a lot. How about you? Quite frequently. Uh, I wish we did Well, we retired early Oh, okay. so, we're, we take trips pretty often. Where all you guys go? Well, we go to Maine every Fall Uh-huh. then that's kind of a family visit and a vacation all up and down the coast Uh-uh. and I have a daughter in Texas and one in New Mexico, so we go out there
and we go to Florida Uh. and down, oh, we were just out recently at the outer banks of North Carolina. All these places that I've never been Is that right Where do you go? Uh What type of vacation? well, it really depends, I mean, uh, seems like I do a lot in the Midwest lately, uh, my, uh, fiancee's family's from Wisconsin Uh-huh. and so we've been out there a couple of times and, uh, I, uh, went to Purdue for a couple of years, so I've gone up to Indianapolis on occasion to visit friends Uh-huh. and, uh, uh, I'm a real big baseball fan so I usually try to combine it with, uh, catching a couple of games somewhere. Uh-huh.
What club do you follow? I'm, uh, I'm a big Red Sox fan, Red good, but, uh, I, uh, me too uh, you're a Red Sox fan too? Yeah, uh-huh. I usually try to catch whoever's in town though, I don't specifically, I, you know, go to Cleveland to see them play, the Indians or the Red Sox, Uh-huh. uh, uh, that's about it, we don't, I mean, we do a lot of little trips around here, uh, and, uh, Ever go up in Pennsylvania in the mountains or, Not that much. We've gone out to, um, uh, a place in western Pennsylvania called Falling Water. Oh.
Uh, have you ever heard of it? I've heard of it. I've never been there. Yeah, it's, it's really neat. It's this house built on, on a waterfall and it's, uh, really cool Uh-huh. Um, of course, we keep picking crummy weather to go out there, uh, the first time we went out there was, uh, the day after hurricane Hugo had come through Gee. So, I mean they, they didn't have any power and it was really cold and, and rainy and, uh, we went up about a year later and it was better but not a whole, lot better Uh-huh. So, uh, where else did we go, uh, we've gone to Richland, last year and, uh, had a good time, down there. Oh, did you? Did you go, to Williamsburg,
have you been down there? Uh, my girlfriend has with her sisters but I haven't been, down there. Uh-huh. Uh, I hear that's nice. We're going to get down, probably down Norfork sometime this Summer, just to see why, catch a football game actually Uh-huh. We were down, well, when we came back from the outer banks we came up due Norfork and spent the night there with a friend in Portsmith and then went to Williamsburg and spent a night. Uh, spend a day and a lot of money Yeah Yeah, I've heard, uh, I'm not real interested in Williamsburg because of the, of the price attached, to it. Yeah. We just, we, I, But it's a pretty neat down to just go and walk around, if you like to walk, it's a good town to just, walk in.
Uh. Uh, yeah, we'll, do that. You can go, to the buildings and not go in if you're not, Oh, okay, so I can wander around without, Yeah, you can wander, it's a good town to wander in. Oh, okay, I just have it pay somebody to get into the buildings? That's right. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, I think, uh, they do the whole with, you know, paying, Yeah. they really did throw away a lot of money to get, getting one thing or another, Yeah. but they had a good time
so. We really didn't do that really this time, we just, uh, visited around. Uh, uh, We've done it a couple of times and that's enough for, uh, probably another twenty years. Yeah, I was, uh, we use it live in California and, uh, my, um, up, up around San Francisco, and, uh, there was one year when my father was, uh, my father's company was starting to do stuff down in Los Angeles, so, my father was working down in Los Angeles for like, uh, six months or so, uh, actually I think it was closer, I think to a full year and, you know, we'd, he'd fly down there on Mondays and fly back on Fridays, well, any time we had a school vacation or something like that we went down to Los Angeles, so I saw, I went to Disneyland about five times, in one year Oh and I really have no great urge to go back now. That's great as a kid though, isn't it, I mean, Oh, it was great, because, uh, well, the times that were really fun were when, uh, we had vacation
but the kids in Los Angeles didn't Uh-huh. so we basically had one of the parks. Right. Uh, Disneyland, I mean there's still a lot of people at Disneyland, but there was another, um, another amusement park down there, Busch Gradens, uh, there was nobody there when we were there, we got, we won a log floating ride like five straight times, we just get, get done with them and they go, oh, do you want to go again, sure. Have you ever, you've never been down to Epcot at Florida and Disney No, I'd like to, sometime that's good, but, we, we really enjoy that, we've been two or three times and probably go back again this winter. Yeah, I've never been, the fartherest south I've been on the East Coast is Charlotte.
Oh. So, I, um, keep wanting to get further, you know, I thought I would go to Florida a couple Summers, ago Uh-huh. but never did it. Charleston is a really nice place to visit. My, uh, my sister lives in Charlotte and they've gone to, Charleston a couple of times and had a real good, time. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's a real pretty place. Uh, yeah, one of these days we'll get down there, although I don't know when we're going to have vacation to do it We're, uh, we're getting married in about, a year Oh, are you. and, our honeymoon, we're going up to this, um, uh, place in Wisconsin called Door County, Yeah. it's up by Green Bay. It's a place my girlfriend's also wanted, to go, Uh-huh.
and, uh, Is it on, uh, one of the lakes? It's, um, uh, I don't if you've ever seen a map of Wisconsin but there's kind of like a little, a little thing sticking out, uh, in the Lake Michigan, Uh-huh. that's Door County Oh, okay, yeah, that would, be really nice. So, Yeah, they call it the Cape Cod of the, uh, the Midwest Oh so, uh, we're thinking that'll be a lot of fun, Uh-huh. she, uh, she had this, uh, book of pictures from it that were really nice, kind of like a travel guide Uh-huh, sounds good. so, uh, that should be a lot of fun.
Well, I don't know what our next trip will be, I guess our next, well, I know what my next trip, I'm going to be a grandmother in July Oh. The first, the first one, Oh, boy. so my next trip is going to be to Texas Oh, that'll be fun Yeah, in the middle, in the middle of the Summer. Well, yeah, you won't even, notice it though Well, they'll be air-conditioning anyway so. Is that, is that how you got into this, uh, this, you know, uh, data base? Yeah, my daughter's a temp at Texas Instruments, and working on this project. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was, I was just, I mean most of the people I've talk to are from, are from Texas,
Uh-huh. so, when I, you know, when I heard you were from Virginia I was like, oh, okay, there's somebody different, and you said, oh, I got somebody down in Texas, I go, okay, that the connection, right there That's it, yeah I talked to one in California, I never asked him the other day how he was connected, I don't think he was T I employee. Uh, I, uh, most people talk to Texas, there's been a couple of other the people, uh, most of whom are like me that work in, in speech labs that are going to use data base, eventually. Oh, I see. So, uh, it was fun I, actually yesterday, I ended up talking to somebody else from the same lab I'm in. Is that right. Well, we spent last week end in Charlotte with real good friends that had just, moved to back East from Oklahoma, Oh. Uh-huh. and she's, uh, working on this project too,
I mean she's talking on the project too Uh-huh. and, uh, we got back Monday and I got a call yesterday and it was her, on T I Network Uh, that's neat. I haven't, uh, I haven't had something like that happen, just, uh, just getting the one guy, from the lab. Uh-huh. Uh, you're sure have a nice town, uh, my, uh, sister lives on Lake, Norman, just, Oh, does, she, that's nice out there. Yeah, uh, we keep wanting to get down there and visit them over the Summer and it's, never really works out. Uh-huh, yeah, it's real pretty. Yeah Well
Traffic , not much else we do for vacation really, uh, just so we don't, haven't been able to take really. Are you a golfer? No. No. Me either. No. Are you guys, golfers No, uh-huh, or, uh, no, uh-huh, nope, not too much into sports. Except our outside , though. Just walking that's all Oh, I don't think there are any, traveling that was in my early teens down in that area and I'm know real sure there are, um, No professionals
When, uh, I was thinking I might be minor league but, Oh, there's one in Salem, Salem Rebels. Yeah. Salem Rebels, Buccaneers. Buccaneers. Oh, okay. Yeah, um, yeah, I may be seeing them, um, in a town just west of here, Frederick has a, uh, has a minor league team that plays in the same league with Salem and, uh, I think we may be seeing them this, weekend Oh, is that right up there in Frederick? Yeah, I think they're out of town. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, that's a nice little town actually, Frederick, uh,
I've never been up there. I've never visited Baltimore. I'd like to go just sight see a little bit sometime. Oh, there's, there's some nice things in Baltimore, you know, the Inner Harbor and the, uh, the Aquarium and all that are very nice. Uh-huh. Uh, they've just done a, uh, you known, I, you know, the Aquarium is one of those things that, you know, because everybody, Okay. uh, we're going to talk about our lawn and garden chores, do you have either one? Well, I don't do anything with the lawn really, but I do gardening, both flowers and vegetable gardening. Do you . Oh, really? Um, I, we have enough property that we can have a little bit of a garden and that's fun, well, actually Wally's had one even when we haven't had big yard because, um, we enjoy that.
We love fresh vegetables in the summer, and it's just one of the things I enjoy doing. So do I. I would, I had rather be outside than, than inside any day. So would I Do you work during the week, uh, outside the home? Yes, I do. Uh-huh. Uh, so I manage to fit in my gardening chores afterward, I work for a school system so I'm able to do that, um, because I get home a little earlier, Yes. and I can still do some, some sorts of things but, Or you sneak out in the morning after daylight savings time starts and with your cup of coffee and see if it has grown overnight. Oh, absolutely Well, I unfortunately am not gardening this year. I love gardening,
in fact, I was prevented at like no, about thirty years ago with a life membership, uh, from the Richmond, Virginia counsel of garden clubs. Wow. And it wasn't because I was so good, but I organized a very large garden club, but I still have, uh, Oh, that's wonderful. It, well, it's always something that seems so odd to me but, uh, But that, that's, and you really feel you can accomplish something and to help other people too, that's neat. Yes, it has really nothing to do with, uh, actual gardening or flower arranging or anything like that, Uh-huh. it was just that I happened to organize this group, that was about seventy people. Right. That's wonderful. That, isn't, yeah,
that, that, Yeah. those numbers were, were great but it, Yeah, well, I think it sounds good. I've never belonged to a garden club because I've always been more interested in just doing what I can do on my own, I've never had, the time really to get involved in the organized sort of format, Yes. but I know people who do it and, and enjoy it very much. Well, and actually, I think that most women's garden clubs that I've been aware of in the past, uh, are only flowers, what I would like, we've spent the last twenty years in Oklahoma. Just moved to, to North Carolina, Oh. and, uh, we were originally, of course, from this area, from Virginia, but, uh, in North, uh, in Oklahoma, it's the men's garden clubs that I would have wanted to join. My word. And you would have because they do all kinds of, uh, gardening and not just flowers like women do.
For heaven's sake. Uh-huh Uh-huh. Well, um, there aren't men's gardening clubs in this area that I know of, they're, they're women. But, um, and usually they're the tea type things, you know, where they have a little luncheon and they do their thing. Uh-huh. But, um, flowers are primarily the emphasis, um, whereas I enjoy vegetable gardening almost more, I do flowers sort of look pretty Yes, I think so too. but I, I really like to do the vegetables. Yes, and, and I have spent the last ten, ten years being a florist. Being what? Being a florist. Oh, my. Well, what a wonderful thing. It was nice, it was exhilarating, uh, for many years.
Yes. Uh, many of those tanned until the last couple when, uh, we had such an economic slowdown. Oh, terrible yeah. Yeah, well, tell me what's in your garden this year, since I don't have one. Okay. Well, uh, the flowers I'm just, in fact, I was going to go out today to buy some plants so I could put them in, I, I always have geraniums and, um, and then I have a shady area that I need to, uh, be concerned about not getting something that has to have sun, Uh-huh. so I've discovered that, uh, impatiens that tried and true is, turns out to be about the best thing to use there along with coleus. Because they, uh, look pretty and, in my front garden, uh, Uh-huh. but I like the vinca which is something I hadn't, they look sort of like impatiens, you know, but they're not quite and they're better for the sun areas. Um, and, of course, you know, the, mine are old theory ordinary flowers, marigolds and, and that sort of thing. Yes.
In my, Do you have trouble with red spider on marigolds? No. I don't. Maybe it's, I don't know, maybe this climate is a little better. Yes, uh-huh, uh-huh. Um, but in the vegetable garden we grow, um, usually, what our favorite is something called white half runner green beans , now that's, Do you, isn't that funny, so is my favorite. Well, you know why, because I grew up in North Carolina, Okay. and that was my mother's, um, favorite bean she she always grows, you know, five different varieties,
Yeah. but that's the kind that produces the best. Yeah, well, I think it has the best flavor. And, and they're wonderful, and I pick them when they're very young and have very little string and then just steam them a little bit, my mother picks them when they're fat and she cooks them for an hour with some fat backs , Yes, uh-huh, well, I like them in between. and they're good both ways. I like them in between. Yeah, yeah. The flavor is better I think in between. Oh, in between the size wise yeah, Yes,
yeah. yeah. Uh-huh. My mother, Well, my mother doesn't think they have any flavor the way I cook them Well, and I know I love them, well, that's the yankee way. But I think, that's like another vegetable. Oh, of course. I love them that way just, just the thrill of, Yeah, it is. They're two different vegetables that way, uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. In fact, I, my mother, who is eighty-six years old, canned over a hundred quarts of half runners last year. Oh, my gosh. My does, mother will be ninety this year and she lives in western North Carolina
and, uh, she would do that if, if we didn't tell her that she'd better not Yes, uh-huh, yes. But she doesn't have that big a garden, but she has a bigger one than I do. yes. And I have four children, you know, so, And she tends to it herself? Oh, yes, oh, yes. Uh-huh, isn't that wonderful. Oh, it is, it's great. It's, it's really her joy and I suppose that's why I enjoy gardening, because, you know, growing up with it. I think so too. Yeah.
We also grow, um, yellow and green squash, um, much to my children's chagrin, Uh-huh. Right. and, uh, we grow a lot of tomatoes, uh, Uh-huh. there's just no replacement for fresh grown tomatoes. No. So, we enjoy that, um, we grow I, I have been trying to grow watermelon and cantaloupe and get teased by my family but I actually was successful for the last two years, so. Wonderful. I'm going to do it again. Bet you showed them. That's right. And we grow broccoli. Oh. And I have been very, uh, happy about the new way of controlling the, the, uh, worm that gets in broccoli, um, by using the Bacillus Thuringiansis which is the, uh, little, well, in fact, that's what they use for gypsy moth,
I don't know if you have had that problem there or not. No. But it's, you know, it's a problem that's, that's moving south from, from the New England area. Yes. And they devastate the trees so they, they spray, the government, uh, sprays, um, two, three times in the spring when the, uh, caterpillars are, are coming along because what they do, this, this, uh, bacillus, um, the worms ingest it and it expands in their, in their, um, digestive tract and they die. Uh-huh. So, that's the same technique that is, you know, for any of the other, uh, little varmints that get in vegetables so it, that's really very nice because it's a non toxic way of, of handling the problem. Great. Well, we could we could really talk gardening a long time. I'm enjoying hearing you so much Well, it's nice hearing you talk and I'm, I wish you, uh, good luck, have you just recently moved to Charlotte? Um, no,
October. Oh, so, well, that's not very long. Uh, so, yes, recently seven months and it, Yes. the weather is wonderful, I love it. Oh, that's great, that's great. It is just terrific, you know, rains a little too often. Well, I hope you have a, an opportunity to garden again. Oh, I think so, I have a little spinach Oh, well, good Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, so, um, how do think, how do you think we've changed in the last ten to twenty years?
Uh, I'm at a little bit of a loss, you know, I don't know, ten years ago, see I'm what, I'm about, uh, twenty-eight now so when I was eighteen, Uh-huh. things haven't changed a whole lot. Really. People are being a little more, oh, I don't know, a little a little less bigoted in some ways, I don't know Uh-huh. seems to me. Well, I guess I'm like my parents. The younger generation gets away with hell, but, uh, Yeah. Well, it seems to me that civic freedoms are more restricted but that may just be because I've changed. You know, I used to live up north.

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