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Well one, it cuts down on my mow time anyway Uh-huh, that's true. and you zip through it quicker. That's true. That's true. Well, I, I really think you're going to get hooked on plastics and paper before you know it. we probably will. It's, it's really not that much trouble. We keep a large plastic, uh, just a, you know, a garbage bag in the garage. Yeah. And as soon as we use something, you know, we crush it up and put it out there and then, you know, every few weeks we have recycling, a recycling center like near Wal-Mart. Uh-huh. They're, they have the containers that you can just go over there and drop it in and it's really no trouble. And, uh, I feel like at least we're doing something. Yeah. You know, , um, I read a book one time or a a magazine article
and they said something about how you don't realize even just your small contribution, it seems like a small contribution but it's not. If everyone were to recycle just their newspapers, they would save thousands and thousands of trees a day. A day, just from not throwing out your newspapers. Really. And, uh, when you read that you think, well gee, maybe it is a big deal, you know. What, what makes me sick is, is when they show the dump sites you know, and, and, how big they are. Uh-huh Uh-huh. Or like in New York, the barges that that go up and down the, the river Yes. Yeah. and they don't have any place to put it and it just floats in the , it's like ugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, and that's really not necessary. No. It really isn't
if everybody would do just a little bit it would make a big difference. It would make a huge impact. So, I'm excited about the recycling program in Plano I, I, can't wait for them to get it started. Um, because it'll be that much easier for us, you know, like I said, now we have to take it over to, to Wal-Mart. It would be real nice if they just came by and just picked up. Yeah. It, it's it's convenient out here for them to do it. Um Now what, what do they pick up? It's just, They pick up the, the plastic, the glass, and the newspaper. Oh they do? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And do you have to sort that? And they will do the Or do you just put it all in. No, you just put it in the one bin
and, and I guess they do the sorting. But, um, they'll do the aluminum cans too but we don't give them those Right. Right. The kids keep those So, So you're doing that now? You're doing the newspapers and the glass? Uh-huh. Well we don't, we don't take the newspaper to begin with. When, neither one of us are home to read it. Oh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So we don't have the newspapers but the, the plastic and the glass At first, when it first started, it, it, it was hard. You know, because you're just used to throwing things. Uh-huh. My husband would, come home and go through the trash and say, you threw this away Uh! He would get, he would get all upset
and I'd say, it's just such an automatic reaction. And now we think before we throw anything away. It is. I mean, it's really funny. We, we really, once you get into the habit of it, it's okay, it's just, it's just making it a habit that's hard Oh, I know. Well the kids have even got to the point where they, if they see anybody going in the trash can with a can, you know, they, they're, oh, no, don't do that and they go to the sink, they rinse them out, and they put them upside down, they let them drain and and then, uh, after a couple of days they take them all outside Uh-huh. and, I put them in a big bag anyway Uh-huh. and then they dump the bag out and then they crush them. So that's their activity thing. To go out there and crush. Uh-huh. That's fun.
Yeah, yeah, So, yeah. Oh, that's a lot of fun. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. Well, that's great. Well I'm to hear you're, doing that. I, my sister was here recently from Connecticut and they have a deposit on all their bottles and cans. Oh really? Okay. Um, Where do you live? In Plano. In Plano? Yes. Where do you live? In Dallas.
Oh, okay Uh, the air pollution isn't too bad in our area. So, we're very fortunate but I know in some areas, it's really, it, it really is bad. Huh Um, I was trying to think, uh, something we were watching the other day and they were doing an overview of Los Angeles, uh, from an area that was up higher and you literally could see the band of smog. That, uh, I've never been out there, but, it was, it was quite evident that, it was a real brown area I haven't either. Uh-huh. and, Well, I think it would be terrible to live in an area like that and, unfortunately, I think there are a lot of areas that are, that, that bad. Yeah. Particularly in the areas where there are industries, uh, where they are burning a lot of coal, and oil up, more up north, I guess, uh, Yes. Yeah
I think it's a bigger problem. With the car pollution, anti-pollution devices, I think, uh, air isn't as bad it once was, from the cars, because we certainly have plenty of cars in our area. Yes. Well, I know, uh, that's been the concern in Europe. They hadn't, uh, we have friends in Germany and, uh, have family that live near the Black Forest area and large areas of the forest are being hurt from the cars because when we, uh, switched to the unleaded gas and, and had the emission control advice, uh, devices required on the cars, uh, that's something that Europe didn't do right away and now they're doing that and I guess it started in the last few years because they have found that in that particular part of the country, that's the only pollution that's been there. It's not an area that is industry but they were losing a lot of, uh, trees and a lot of, From acid rain? Um, I guess. From, from something that the car was, uh, was giving, I think it gives off, uh, in the emissions, it gives off gases which combine up in the atmosphere, uh, and form a, a weak acid. Yes, and, It just makes the rain fall on the acid side and after a period of time, I think that accumulates in, uh, trees because they take it up through their roots, as well as it landing on the leaves, on surfaces, like you've seen what it's done to buildings even where it's really bad.
Yes. Yeah. What's interesting, several years ago, I took a course, uh, on, uh, well, it was actually, it was put on by the power companies and, about the various sources of energy and how much pollution there was, and there wasn't from various kinds of, of energy. And, uh, at that point in time, one person that was a speaker brought up the topic of acid rain and it was kind of pooh-poohed, you know. Oh, you're making a mountain out of a molehill, kind of thing. And it's turned out that, that's been very true, what he was forecasting about the accumulation of, of the pollutants in the air and the acid rain and what it would do to foliage. So, it's kind of interesting the change in perspective from when I took that course. Now, a lot of people are really afraid of nuclear. Uh, I'm not afraid of nuclear, having had that course because of how the nuclear that, uh, they use is not bomb quality, and, we're so strict with all our controls in the United States. The chances of, of an accident are slight, and, it doesn't pollute the air at all. It's safer to be around a nuclear plant then it is to be around a coal plant. Many more deaths have occurred in and dealing with coal plants then ever around nuclear plants. It's kind of funny because people are just petrified, at least some are, at the thought of nuclear. Yes. So, I don't know. In Europe there's a lot of dependency on nuclear power
and they recycle the fuel and then instead of, of, some people are really afraid to recycle the fuel because they're afraid it could become, uh, bomb quality. But, that's the only sensible thing to do, is recycle and reuse the fuel and not store it down in the ground. As far as I'm concerned, where it could eventually, perhaps, there's some problem, uh, pollute the groundwater. So, I don't know what the answer is. The best answer, of course, would be solar or, uh, fusion, or something clean Yes. Well, we've got a problem on the line, don't we. Yeah. I, I get that sometimes, um, my line gets some static. I don't know why. Uh-huh. But, uh, solar, of course, would be the clean, the cleanest. Well, I know it's , um, we did have a solar water heater when we lived in Houston and, uh, oddly enough I thought our part of the country was ideal. I can't hear you at all for all this static. Oh. I don't know what to, usually it's the other phone I have trouble with.
It must just, be on the line. Can you hear me? Now I can again. Okay. I don't know what, uh, I, I don't know what the problem is but, uh, when we lived in Houston we had a solar water heater and we had thought this part of the country would be ideal for solar homes and solar energy and we have enough clouds that, uh, there are other areas that would be better suited. That surprised me because I think, we have a tremendous amount of, um, sunny days. Uh-huh. And, and it, yes, it can be used and it can help but, uh, that was a problem that they were still working on. But, Oh yeah. It, it's still got a long way to go. Well I, It's just, you know, a possible solution in the future, I think, maybe to help in some ways.
Yes. It may not in all ways. Maybe they'll come up with fusion. You know, be able to control it. I don't know how long that'll take, but, one of these days, because that's perfectly clean. Yes. It's just we can't control it. Right now it takes more energy to cause fusion to occur then you get out, so, it isn't, not at all, and you can't control it unless you gotten a huge electromagnetic field, so that's not going to work. At least not now. But, uh, who knows what the future will hold. Uh, as far as energy goes, I, I think, with solving some of the energy, future energy problems, we'll probably solve some of the pollution problems as well. Uh, I hope so I do to. I like to be optimistic, I don't like to be pessimistic about these things. Well, I do think, um, I mean, you've already mentioned several things, I think, uh, just the change in attitude and the fact that more people are aware there is a problem and more people are interested in, uh,
We have one earth, to live on Yes and we got to take care of it. Yes. Well, and, and for the future generations, too. Uh, Uh-huh. I've noticed students are, are much more, you know, young, young people are much more receptive to ideas about the environment and protecting the earth. Yes. And so, if we can raise it, uh, you know, generations with those concerns, we'll solve a lot of our problems. I'm afraid, I know I was part of the me generation where they didn't, so many of them didn't, people didn't care. You know, it's whatever, you know, recycle, well, if it's a problem, forget that. Uh, not throw the trash out the car window and leave it in the car and then throw it away? How horrible, you know. Now, I've always done those kinds of things because I just didn't like messes, and fade ... So, how do you feel about capital punishment?
Well, it's, I am pretty much against it Really? Yeah. How about you? Oh, I'm pretty much for it. Oh, good we can have a debate. We'll have some interesting discussion, I guess. Well, like, um, I don't know, I think that I, one of the reasons that I'm against it is that, uh, um, I'm afraid of someone losing their life, for um, wrongly, Wrongfully. Yeah. Right Yeah. and, uh, another reason, one of the arguments, that really, I really actually have been kind of ambivalent about it, but one of the arguments that really, uh, made me feel kind of strongly against it, is that, uh, you know, someone said to me once, well, imagine if the person you love most in the world, like your mother or something, if someone killed her, wouldn't you want to see them killed for the punishment? But then I thought about it and I thought, well, the loss that I would feel at losing my mother someone else would feel that about that person no matter how rotten they were, somebody loves them
Yeah, it would never be equal, Right. Right. Yeah. How about you? Well, I guess, you know, I, I guess I can see it from several different perspectives, but, you know when I hear about things like, you know, what they've, what they've been reporting about in Milwaukee, you know I, I, to me I don't see any way of rehabilitating the guy. You know, maybe there is, I don't know. Yeah, that's true. But, you know, and, you know, he's never going to be, to me, a functioning part of society. He's already been either paroled, or whatever, for child molestation. Uh-hum. I mean, I don't know, I just, I really have a hard time with that because he really sounds like a real sicko. And, you know, for the things he's done, I don't know, I guess it's either, you know, put him in jail for the rest of his life, you know, or or capital punishment I guess. You know Right.
Well you know that's true, because um a lot of um these conversations I've had on this program this these telephone conversations have revolved around um criminal you know justice. Oh, really. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Or whatever and most of the time I hear myself saying well you know we don't have enough room left in the jails and people crime is still climbing and we need to have different punishments you know. Right. but I just am scared of capital punishment, I guess. I I mean you know there there is always that chance but you know I guess to some people it'd almost be better to die to them than to spend life in prison or whatever I don't I mean I don't know but uh, you know, but that would be a situation where if somebody you know was gonna be, you know you you you really throw a lot on the courts, hopefully that they won't do that you know for any for any situation really. But, uh, you know, when I, you find somebody just like that situation, I mean, it was disgusting when I read about it today. And, and when you find someone like that, that you know is guilty, he confessed already to killing eleven I, I'd, you know, I guess I have a hard time feeling merciful toward him, Uh-huh. and Right. Especially when it's so far removed.
If it's no one that I know then you have to think about the taxpayers paying the shelter and feed and clothe them for the rest of their life. Right. Right. And trying to rehabilitate him, too, and, you know, Letting him out again Right, exactly. And, uh, you know, nobody wants that. Uh-huh. You know, everybody would be just as scared to death, you know. We, we've had a real problem here in Texas with, uh, prison overcrowding and they've been releasing people left and right and, you know, they've committed murders and rapes and everything else, and, you know, you just think, you know, where's the justice here. Uh-huh. I mean, you know, they're not even having to serve out what they should be serving. That's true. You know, I just recently moved to Massachusetts. I'm not sure what their policy is on capital punishment
and that was one of the questions but, uh, I do know that they are notorious for paroling people. Oh, really? Yeah, when they're, when, and then having them reconvicted for violent crimes. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, I guess, they said, you know, do you think it should be restricted? I guess, if it were, if, if, because a lot of states do still practice capital punishment Uh-huh. I guess violent crimes would be the crimes where I can see it making the most sense. Yeah. You know, violent crimes with no, uh, with just malicious intent. Right, exactly. Yeah. Well, you know, that's exactly, I mean, I'm, I'm not saying I, I think capital murder or capital punishment is the perfect solution in every case, you know, especially because there are some cases when you just don't know and I, I think there's a, a shadow of a doubt, you know, like with this, this guy in, in Milwaukee.
I mean, it, he pretty much confessed to it. I mean, they, you know, just everything, I mean, cannibalism and everything else, uh, Yeah. Hang? Because, I mean, that's just awful. And what is he going to do prison to the other people Right. Well, I have a I have a hunch that, you know, the other prisoners aren't going to be too happy with him anyway. Either, I mean, you know they, I don't know, from, from what I hear about jail life is not any way to live. Right. But, uh, I don't know. It's just, Well, I was, I saw on a human interest story, or whatever today, there was a woman who was just being paroled and trying to make it back, she was off drugs and everything, Uh-huh. but she said, uh, you know, in prison you can get anything. You can any drugs you want.
There's, it, it's just like being outside. You know, people find ways around. Really. And there's a power structure that you have bow to and, and, it really isn't, for some people who have been there for over, and over, and over, it really isn't, uh, as bad. I mean, there's, it's not that bad of a life as it should be for the punishment aspect. Yeah. Yeah. But the society is turned against punishment and more towards rehabilitation and maybe that's why, one of the reasons why crime has gone up, because it's not so scary anymore. Yeah. That, Yeah. Well, you know, especially like repeat offenders. It, it just appalls me that they can be out, you know, they even get a ten year sentence and be out in, in two, or three, or four years. You know, that's, that's scary because, you know, I'm not sure, I think we're paroling them without even knowing if they're, you know, going to be committing any more violent acts or not. Right. And what they're going to be doing when they get out
Right. And, it, it's, it's really scary I you know, I, I don't know what the perfect solution to that is but I know that especially with violent crimes where, you know, you're nearly a hundred percent convinced that they're guilty and without much repentance or anything else, you know, then, I don't know, I, I guess, I, I just really don't see much use for this guy in Milwaukee, you know. For instance, I mean, that's just, I could see capital punishment in a case like that. And, you know, for, for other people, too, that do things, like that. But, uh, when, uh, my wife and I are both participating in this survey and she picked up the phone and when she heard the topic, she said, capital punishment, so she was, uh, Handed it to you? Yeah, well luckily it was for me. Because they want, they coordinate the times so it can, only be one or the other. Oh, oh, I see. So, she tried to enter her number and it wouldn't work so she said, whew, it's for you. So, but, uh, you know, I don't know,
I, I struggle with it, but I, I really think that in, in terms of like this, I'd, I think that it, it might not be such a bad thing. Because, I don't know that anybody, I don't know that anybody would feel good, you know, like if you let someone like that loose in your community. You know, I, I, I'm you'd have to be scared to death Well, maybe if they could, uh, if they had more money or more, more resources to work more on rehabilitation, I mean, deep down I think every, every human Okay, do you subscribe to magazines yourself? I don't, uh, subscribe to any magazines at home, because we get so many at work that, uh, I need to read that, uh, I just don't take any at home. Oh, I see. I get, uh, MCCALL'S. Of course, anything that appeals to the homemaker since that's my main line of interest. Uh-huh. And then once in a while I'll pick up a WORKING WOMAN or something and realize why I don't want to go back to work What I enjoy about staying home. Uh-huh. Right. And, uh, I read magazines mainly because they're fast and if I want to relax while I watch T V, of course, I'm one of those that does two things at once,
and, uh, I read GOOD HOUSEKEEPING and BETTER HOMES and MCCALL'S. And I like them because they're kind of short and to the subject. Right. I I used to take MCCALL'S and GOOD HOUSEKEEPING and, uh, several magazines like that a few years ago at, at, at home. Uh-huh. And then you stopped them all. But, yeah, the subscriptions ran out and I never renewed them. And I found that I really didn't have time at home since I work, to read them. I find that, uh, about two years is probably my max on subscribing to one in particular Uh-huh. and then I kind of get turned off by it. Other than GOOD HOUSEKEEPING. Uh-huh. GOOD HOUSEKEEPING is the one that kind of sets around for when, uh, when I'm really have time and I really want to read something, you know. Uh-huh. I don't get into books too often because I have so many things that I stay occupied with uh, on a general basis, Uh-huh. and we travel a lot so I enjoy reading parts on travel in the various you know, different ones.
Uh-huh. Right. And I get into, uh, newspapers, so I guess that kind of tells you what kind of person I am. I'm, read it fast and put it down Right. Uh-huh. When, when I had my magazines at home, I would find that I kind of skimmed through them and looked at the pictures, you know, and if something caught my eye, then I might read something, Right. but otherwise than that, you know, they were, uh, you know, not too useful to me. You know Well, That's what I do. I got some good recipes from them sometimes, but You clip recipes and you save them forever and you never really use them. Uh-huh. That's right, that's right.
And then every so often you weed through them and you think, where did I ever put that recipe. Right. But, uh, that's mainly my, uh, whole idea on you know, short subject, uh, reading and things like this. Uh-huh. I, I subscribe, like I said, to a few and once in a while I buy that new magazine called FIRST on the newsstands or something like that. Uh-huh. But I kind of stay with my own subject matter what, uh, pertains to my daily life at the present time. Right. Well, since I work with computers during my work, I have to keep up on all the new computer equipment and software and everything. And I have to read the magazines, you know, such as BYTE, and COMPUTER WORLD and MAC WORLD and all of these, uh, magazines such as that, so I really, you know, just, I can see that it will be a very long time, probably, before I subscribe to any magazines at home. Right. Well, sometimes, if, you know, if you're in transportation, in public transportation I know that people will read them on something like that. Uh-huh. Right. But I think, and the idea is to, is and good,
I can just dump them at the other end and I don't have to carry them back with me. That's right. I do that when we travel. I always have my head with a magazine somewhere as we drive or wherever we, Uh-huh. no matter what it is, air travel or anything and I, Uh-huh. Right. If I, if I go on an airplane ride or something, I'll stop in and pick up a, you know, a COSMOPOLITAN or something to read on the airplane. Right, although now, But, uh, you know, that's basically just about I'll buy a crossword puzzle magazine every now and then That's when you really have time. Now see your computer ones, I got into computer work somewhat, uh, we have our own computer system at home Uh-huh. and I tried, uh, reading the magazines hoping I would get more from it
and it was just above my head without having someone there to give me the advice as I went along. Uh-huh. It was, you know, kind of a little bit more than what I needed, so I never did get into them. I when I bought the computer, all of a sudden I was receiving them, for some unknown reason, through the mail. I think they all thought, well, we have a live one She'll subscribe Uh-huh. But they were wrong. I never got into them. But, but, Okay? Right. All right, I guess we might as well end our conversation at this point. Okay. It was nice talking with you. It was nice to talk with you, too. Okay. Thank you. Uh-huh. Bye, now. Bye-bye.
Do you have any hobbies? Yes, I do. What are yours? China painting and ceramics. Ooh, how great. I enjoy it. Uh-huh Oh, uh, ceramic painting. I enjoy the china more. The china more. And now that I have my eyes, corrected to the point that I can see the delicate part of china painting, I do enjoy it. How did you ever get into that? That sounds so interesting. My husband kept begging me, and he's been dead now for twenty years, so you understand that this was a long time ago. But he finally brought me the china, the book, the brushes and he said I have made arrangements for your lessons. How I,
And I said I'll do it for three months and if I don't like it, that's it. Well, I painted an awful lot until his death, which was several years. And it has just been the most relaxing, enjoyable self-satisfying thing I've had. I, Now, do you do it just for yourself, or do you do it to give as gifts, or do you actually sell it? I have sold quite a bit. I give a lot to our two daughters that are grown and have their home and then I just have the rest of my house with lot of hand painting in it. Uh-huh. Oh, that sounds now, do you work outside of the home? I have just retired. You've just retired. Yes. Oh, oh, what a great hobby No, it's not,
I, It's a great hobby, but don't retire Don't retire. Oh, Well, see, I don't, I never, uh, returned to work for the I have stayed home for about the last nine years. Oh, have, well, We've transferred around, and our last area was in a rural section right on the lake, uh, on Lake Erie. So the lake life appealed to me, and my husband's working and he left it up to me if I worked or not. Wow. So, in my spare time, I love to sew. There aren't too many people around anymore that really enjoy sewing, but I do make all my own clothes and we recently purchased a new home, so I enjoy doing my, uh, toppers for my window applications and things like that.
Oh, uh-huh. But, uh, just when I thought I really enjoyed my hobby, yours sounds great Well, my sister is the seamstress of the two of us. And, but she doesn't china paint so we both have our expertise side. That is excellent. What part of Ohio are you in? We're in the I'm in the suburb of Cleveland and I'm about, uh, fifteen miles, probably, from downtown Cleveland, something like that. And Cleveland is located right on Lake Erie and prior to this, we were fifty miles west from here. So we were right on the lake. And Cleveland isn't all as bad as what you've heard Oh, what's that, And you do find people, uh, into the crafts and the things that, uh, various things for spare time, but, I have never heard and I have actually never run into anyone into the china painting and I'm just intrigued with it. If you ever start, be sure and start with a large piece that you can, I mean a large flat plate. Um, that way you can get the feel of, you're not cramped on these smaller objects.
Right, where you're getting into the delicate work. That's right. Now, do you, where did you first get your lessons from? In Abilene, Texas. Through a, uh, an adult ed, or strictly a china type, She just taught china painting. Uh-huh, and, Oh, how marvelous. Then, then we had so much fun there, I had a friend from Albany, which is about thirty-six miles away, and we would meet every Thursday morning at our instructor's home, because she did our firing for us, and she would help us and we bought lots of equipment from her, supplies and it was just such a delightful time. And then after I, Oh, and it's so nice, Beg pardon? It must be so nice for you, now that you're retired.
I have been a little bit negligent about it because I was so tired when I had to go to work after my husband's death. So I have put it aside for a little while, but I'm, I have just found me an instructor to get started again, uh-huh. Oh, isn't that great. And you'll probably really, uh, regain your enthusiasm for it once you get into a, a class again. Uh-huh. Of course, I just have one beautiful with peonies, uh, umbrella stand, and I have two daughters and they're both, Uh, what what is your practice as far as budgeting? Do you manage the money? Well, I, we talk about it, but I'm usually the one that sits down and puts the pencil to the paper and, and tries to somehow make the ends meet, which, uh, Oh, I see. That's how kind of I am, too. Are you married? Um, yes. You are. Yes.
I think the women for the most part end up managing the money. My husband always says he earns it, and I have to spend only what he earns It, I don't mind the spending, it's just that trying to, trying to get what you need out of, out of what you have. That seems to be our challenge. Well, I don't work outside of the home, and he always threatens that when I spend more than, what's coming in, I have to go back to work I see. so I, I manage it Well, I'm, I'm at home also, so, it does get rather interesting trying to survive on one salary, uh, Now, do you actually follow a budget? Well, we pretty well do. Um, several years we didn't, and we found that we just weren't making the most of what we had, and so we, we, um, set aside a certain amount each week that goes for things that have to be paid for, you know, just our bills. And then what's left we divvy up. We try to save a little bit, although we're not always successful,
and then the rest of it just goes for normal weekly needs. Well, that's pretty much the way we do, um, or we did in the past, I would say. Uh, at this point our children are grown, and so I really don't have the obligations there any more that we have to balance to you know, get things together for them, Yeah. Right. and I really just keep very good records, and most of our expenses are fairly the same every month with the exception of utilities and things like that, and I try to keep my MasterCards and things paid currently Right. Uh-huh. uh, I don't always succeed at that. I usually keep one with a low interest rate, and I put things on there that I think I'm not going to get to Right. and then I have another one, but for the most part, our mortgage and our utilities at this point, we're in a new home, and, uh, they take a pretty big chunk compared to what they used to Yeah. so I'm still getting used to that,
but we make sure that we just do not buy unless we really can see how we're going to pay for it ahead Right. and we do not buy us, new cars. Uh, do you get into car, Well, we had new cars, um, always until about four years ago, my husband, um, owned his own company and it went under, and so we could no longer afford that monthly payment, and now it just seems just such a large amount of money to spend that, that we do have a used car, well, he has a company car also, but for our personal car we have a used car. Um, do you think that it's wiser to buy used? We do for us very much so. In fact, we are in a position that most of our friends why, wonder why we just don't go to a new car, you know, whatever, and I said look, you guys are all into car payments, Right. we haven't had car payments for so many years, I love it this way, and recently we just created the laugh among everyone because we had a car that we really liked and it has eighty-two thousand miles on it Uh-huh.
and we were, kept saying, wouldn't it be great if we could find another one just like it. Believe it or not, we did, we found one, one newer Oh, no, the worst part is, it's the same color Uh-huh. and so everybody's saying, you're kidding, you have two cars the same, and I said, you know how when you have a bad one, you say, never again That's right I said, well, we had one, and we found one with just seventeen thousand miles on it Wow. and it's an eighty-five, and so I said, Hey, this was a cinch, we paid for the car, and we still know now that we have this car to put all the miles on. Right. This is for all the long running back and forth on, you know interstate driving and things, and we intend to replace our other one with a much newer car in the next couple of years, or next year probably. Do you, um, buy from dealers or from individuals? Generally from dealers, and uh, it depends, because I don't like to sell what we're trading in to an individual uh, unless we, we have done that when we had a really good one that we wanted to sell
Right. Right. you know, we were going up to a larger one, but we have found that by trading in and going through a dealer, and we always make a deal. I mean, we have walked out of more dealerships saying, don't bring us the manager, and all of that unless you want to bring him right away. You're going to get one shot at us Yeah. we will, you know, and they say, Well, you're kidding, you know. I no, this is the price we're going to give you out the door. We don't want to hear about taxes, Okay, I guess our topic is, um, advice about going to college. Uh-huh. Do you have children of your own? Oh, no, I don't have any children, but I'm still going to college.
Oh, are you? Uh-huh. What school are you going to? N C State. Oh. Are you enjoying it? Um, well, it's a lot of work Are you working on your, um Bachelor's degree? My Bachelor's. Uh-huh. And what field of study are you in? Um, it's actually in computer science Uh-huh. and I have a special interest in Voice I O. Oh, well, that's neat. Are you from North Carolina? No, I'm actually from Amarillo, Texas, originally. Oh, are you really? Uh-huh. Oh. Well, what took you to North Carolina?
Oh, um, the service. Oh, I see. Yeah. Well, that was one of the things I was thinking about in school, um, I went to Texas Tech out in Lubbock and, uh, I had a friend, my roommate went to Tech also, Uh-huh. but she was from New Mexico Uh-huh. and she had to pay out of state tuition Ooh. and I think that would have, uh, played a real big part of my decision It would have played a major part in mine. yeah, because, um, she was of course back then it was so much cheaper than it is now. It was like four dollars a semester hour Uh-huh. and so I was going to school for, you know, just a few hundred dollars a semester, and she was paying forty dollars an hour Golly, so she paid ten times as much because she was out of state.
Yeah, luckily I've paid in state tuition the whole time. Oh, that's good. Yeah, so I think that would be one thing I would definitely consider try to find a school within the state that, um, I liked well enough to attend. Uh-huh, um, Uh-huh. The second thing is some colleges only offer the, uh, liberal arts and, uh, whereas like State, they offer engineering courses Uh-huh. Right, yeah. so depending on what your major is, or medical, you might want to some, um, attend somewhere like Tech Yeah, right. and, um, aside from the, uh, well some schools may even give you financial aid, where another one won't. Yeah, that's true, that was something else I had, was, I had government aid, of course, but, uh, it was wonderful, because I got one of those grants that you don't have to repay
Oh, really. and, yeah, it was so nice Um. it paid most of my tuition, and, um, a lot of the book costs and that kind of thing so. Wow, that's great. Yeah, I really, Was it a Pell grant? I'm sorry, what did you say? What kind of grant was it? Well, it was called a B E O G, a Basic Equal Opportunity Grant Uh-huh. and it was from the government, and it was based, at first it was based on my parents' income. My parents had five children and really didn't make enough money to send any of us to school. Uh-huh. And so, uh, because based on the number of children and the amount of money, uh, my father brought in, I got a small grant Uh-huh.
but then after that, I was on my own, working and, you know, trying to go to school on my own. So then I got a real big grant, because the amount of money I was making really didn't compare Wow. Uh-huh. So, it was kind of nice. Um. I don't know if those are still available or not, but, Uh, I'm not quite, there's, there's a lot of different organizations who, uh, who do give grants, but, uh, I'm not exactly sure which ones they are and how much, they, you know, they generally run. Yeah, yeah, this was great, it was just based on, you know, how much your tuition costs and everything, and generally it paid everything, so I went to school about three years of my four for almost nothing, Uh-huh. so that was, Golly, that's great.
Yeah, it was really nice. Oh, another thing. I've got a, I've got a degree from another college Uh-huh. and, uh, something that might play a part is the size of the college. Right. Uh, the smaller schools can give you a lot, uh, a lot more specialized instruction and attention than the larger schools Uh-huh. Yeah. in the larger schools you get caught up in the bureaucracy, and and they just give you a teacher's assistants, you know Uh-huh. Uh-huh. instead of a scholar you get a T A That's right. and, uh, you don't get near the, uh, quality of education and as well, the, uh, smaller schools often times don't cost as much. Um, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.
Um. Well, I guess the only comparison I had ever heard was between a, a Christian college, because I thought about attending Abilene Christian instead of Texas Tech Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and of course the price was just astronomical compared to Tech Um. the Christian college was so much more expensive. But I guess some of the other smaller colleges might, might be a lot different. Um Oh, I, at State, I think it's just a waste of somebody's money to go there Really? it's really a shame because of, you know, the instruction Yeah. um, I'd rather go to any other college, you know, in the state, and I would definitely get my money's worth, uh, much better than State. Yeah, huh. It's kind of unfortunate, because they've, they've just grown so big that they just don't care about the students any more. Yeah, yeah, you're just a number. Yeah, they're, they're bent on, uh, seeing how much land, how much more land they can get, and how much, uh, how much of the campus they can build up
Right. and, uh Yeah. yeah, it's really a bad situation here. Oh, that's a shame. Well, I, I felt a little cheated at Tech, also. Once I got into my, I, um, majored in, What, what do you feel is the, the major change that's been going on? That's a tough question. We are now able to work full eight hours a day and still do our housework. Right Don't ask me. I think that has been the major change, is that, women feel they need to go out and do this, they, they no longer feel it's, uh, it's no big deal to, to stay home and raise your family any more. Well it has no credibility any more. I know it, and I, I think, I think that's really sad, because I think there's going to be a generation of kids that are going to grow up raised by somebody else. Well, I'm a school teacher, and I'm in charge of raising them,
so I can appreciate it. You don't, well I'm, I'm still home with, with my last one, and I wouldn't trade, change a minute of it for anything Oh, good for you, good for you. But, I, I can't, I can't help but think that eventually the pendulum's going to swing back the other way again. Well, you know, it's interesting, because when I heard the topic, I was thinking, uh, this summer Oprah had a T V show about wives that refused to go to work, and how their husbands thought they were terrible, Uh-huh. and one woman had four children, and her husband said she wasn't pulling her own weight in the family Oh, yeah, that's, that's frightening Yeah, it, it's sad, and, it, you know, it was almost from the audience participation it was almost a social issue, you know Uh-huh. people were siding with the husband, saying, You've got to go to work, if you have these four children, you've got to support them,
and nobody would give her credit for being home and raising them. Uh-huh. Yeah, I, I think too many people feel they need to live a more extravagant life-style than necessary That's true. uh, you know, to, I, I don't think, you know, the kids don't benefit from the bigger house and the fancier cars, and, and, and this type of thing. I think that they would from the, you know, attention or whatever That's true. uh, but, it, I, uh, I, I don't know, I, I see it as a major problem and I think it's going to have to swing back the other way, because I think we're going to have an awful lot of kids who are going to have major problems from all this. Yeah, well, you know, I, as I said, I teach school Uh-huh. and, gosh, I'm trying to think, I don't know, I have one woman, one mother that I know is home, but she also has ten children.
What, what grade do you teach? Six, seven and eight. Six, seven and eight. I've got a uh, where do you live? Are you out, In Richardson. In Richardson, we're in Plano here. Oh, okay. I have a daughter in middle school, and, uh, I know there aren't very many, she has a few friends that have moms who are still at home, but do you see, um, you know, do you ever, do you ever see problems, you know, that you feel you know, that the kids are left alone too much, Oh, yeah. and, I've got one child, um, that stays with me every day until five, because his mother doesn't come home until seven, and he doesn't want to be home from three thirty until seven by himself. He stays at school? Uh-huh.
And the school allows that? Well, he stays with me Uh-huh. and I have a tendency to work late. I work until six Uh-huh. so he stays with me until five thirty and then goes home Oh, my, and, you know, I have lots of kids, because they know I'm there late Uh-huh. I'm a slow mover to say the least, but, um, they'll come in and say, Can I stay with you because I don't want to go home to an empty house. And that's frightening, because, you know, the, when I said I, I'm, I'm raising them, I am, because we're talking about boy friends and we're talking about what the girl said in class, and, you know, what's right because there's no mother at home Uh-huh. No mother to talk to. and, um, it makes a difference,
I, and just the social values, Well, I've just, do you, do you feel it will swing back the other way, or do you feel there's just going to be a big push to, uh you know, for, for more, more and more day care type situations? I, I don't know. I, I have a feeling we're going to go more and more, I've got a twenty-one year old female, and I've got twenty-two year old male child, children, and I listen to my daughter, and she's going to work, and she's going to buy her house, and she's going to get her car, and then she's going to have her children, and then when, you know, they go on one salary, will they be able to sustain what their life-style is. Uh-huh. And they're back to work, and, you know, I agree with you, I was raised in a generation we didn't need all those things Yeah.
and we lived without them, we did fine, Okay. I've got a, you know, I have a real good method of starting to get the budget balancing and then that's get half of the government, rid of the half of the government payroll. I think that would probably, uh, be very possible, and, and we really wouldn't feel it in our services Not all, I, you know, I don't know if you've ever been to Washington D C. Yes, I have. Uh, you, you've seen that which was on there and the offices and in light of these, uh, hearings we've all been sitting through the last two weeks, we have very definitely decided that every department there is just overstaffed. Right. They really don't have enough to keep them busy to keep their noses at, in their own business of what they're doing. Right. And the other thing is, uh, besides that I think, uh, two things that very definitely need looking at, one is foreign aid. I have a real problem with all the foreign aid that is going to the countries that really have no use for us. Right.
I find that a total waste and part of the defense budget. Uh, again being just a voter and a taxpayer, you know, working through our congressman, I don't think there's too much that I'm going to be able to do about it, but I believe in taking an active part in politics, so. Yeah. Well, I, one, one thing that really bothers me beyond, beyond cutting what they spend is that just really aggravates me when the big businesses do not end up paying taxes and the, um, regular normal taxpayers are, you know paying such a large proportion of, of our personal income Uh-huh. and then the, uh, corporate, you know, industries just don't seem to not pay proportionally. Right. I think that that would, would help a lot. I guess in a way it would trickle down to us in the prices of things, but I don't know. It's just hard to, hard to take and, you know, see so much of our paycheck go out and then realize that they have all the loopholes that they can use. Uh-huh. And, uh, seems like some rather large chunks of money could come from, from that direction. But, Yeah, they don't, they don't seem to, well, I really think the biggest problem
and then the Taft-Rudman Act is supposed to help that. The biggest part is they have no accountability for what they're doing. Yeah. I mean this nonsense that's coming through now about, uh, uh, lowering payments on Social Security and a few other things that Bush has in mind in order to boost the economy because people have more money as it's, gets, it's ridiculous. Yeah. If they don't have that money now, bringing in less is not going to help the problem as far as the government. Not, not going to help. It's never helped my, my personal situation I I can't say it would help with theirs either No. Yeah, and thank God we don't operate our budget, the way they operate theirs or we'd all be in, in dire trouble. Amen . But that's, uh, yeah, I don't know what we're going to be able to do about it but I guess it's sitting around so long that it's sort of like our mortgages. I don't ever expect to pay mine off before I die so I guess why should the government Isn't,
that's the way they're thinking these days anyway. It seems, seems to be. I, you know, I, it really does bother me when I think about, you know, leaving our children with, with this sort of, uh, a national problem that we can't seem to find an, an answer to it, uh, I don't know. I, I don't think it ever will really. I, maybe if they ever get to the point the biggest, you know, the biggest outlaid expense has always been either wars or defense. Right. Really. If they were to take half of what they spend on that and put it on some economic, you know, intergovernmental or inter United States like programs that one really might. Yeah. I, I believe in paying my share, and I don't mind, uh, paying for some of these fringe benefits that people are entitled to. But I just, I just sometimes feel like I'm being used. But, uh, again I don't think we'll be able to do anything about it, so. Well, that's, that's quite possible. I guess we have to, have to keep plugging away a little bit or it will just totally get even more out of control
but I, I don't know. Yeah. Bite the bullet. It sounds like you have a baby there. Yeah. I, I do. Uh-huh. She's a, we're not feeling too well over here so that, Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's a shame. She's not the one going to Washington, huh? No, no. She's, Oh I don't think I could part with her. Okay.
Okay, Geri. We've probably been on long enough. Okay. They didn't cut us off, but I think that will probably do it so it was nice talking to you. Okay, well, thanks. Okey-doke. Bye-bye Bye-bye. What's your favorite T V show? Oh. You know, I used to like ST. ELSEWHERE. Uh-huh. That's one of my old favorites. Um, and that's, I'm being beeped, so I'll just ignore it. Um, and now, I, I did like THIRTY SOMETHING Uh-huh.
oh, yes, my daughter says NINE OH TWO ONE OH. We like that one. Yeah, that's one of my favorites. Good, and how old are you? I'm twenty-eight. Oh, so you're little bit younger than I am, but yeah, I think if my seventeen year old, my fourteen year old, my other two children like it, I'm over forty, and I like it. I think it's wonderful. Yeah, it's a good show. I like MURPHY BROWN and DESIGNING WOMEN, too. Oh, yeah, now see, I, we are so busy with, all of our kids are in sports, and I hardly ever watch T V,
but that's one that, that we watch. And then Sunday nights we watch, uh, LIFE GOES ON. Yeah, I like that, that's, that's a good show, too. Very good. Did you see the one on Sunday? Yes, it was a, uh, uh I did miss that Sunday, no I didn't. That one kid that Becca likes he has AIDS. Yeah, it's a good episode. Yeah, the, the new character on there did. Right, right. All the way to North Carolina.
What time is it there? Uh, it is twenty minutes to nine. Oh, my gosh. See, I'm twenty minutes to six here Three hours difference. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What else do you like? Uh, let's see, I like a lot of different shows. Let's see, um, I like MURDER, SHE WROTE. That's, that's, Oh, I never, I never watched that ever in my entire life. And MATLOCK is another good one I watch. Uh-huh. Um, then during daytimes I like, I like ALL MY CHILDREN. A small bowl will be plenty. Oh, that's mine. That's the only one I watch whenever I, oh, a small bowl will be better because it's pretty fattening.
Talk to my daughter. Um, um, ALL MY CHILDREN, I've watched that for about twelve years. Yeah, I've, I'm sure I watched it for more than that probably. Twenty something. I used to watch GENERAL HOSPITAL when I was a teenager because I, I quit watching GENERAL HOSPITAL when Leslie got killed. Oh. So that was a long time ago. I used to watch it, was in high school and college when Laura's mother got killed. Right. She was my favorite character on there. I just, I read the reason she got, they, they killed her off was because they couldn't settle a contract, and I said, well, if they're going to do that to her, I won't watch it. Oh, that's great. Well, I do like ALL MY CHILDREN, and I, and I like it, you know, I don't know.
I just, I like the people on it, I guess, you know. I, I, I like it. I just wish they'd bring some of the old characters back. Yeah, well, Tad's going to come back, I bet, do you think? Yeah, I'm sure he will. He'll come back, show up at just the right moment. I kind of wish that, uh, Nina would come back because she because the story, you know, Oh. just for a brief visit or whatever, because it never has been resolved with Palmer remarrying, and everything, Yeah, like Daisy, pops in once in a while, and, I forgot about Nina and Cliff, right. Yeah, Cliff's on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS now. Oh, he is. So he's out for good. Yeah,
he's out for good. Did they marry? Uh Nina and Cliff? that's how they left the show, but not in real life. Um. Now she's married to some guy in New York, and she's happily married and that's the reason she left the show. I guess she wanted a private life. Oh, okay, oh, see I, I, I watch it maybe twice a month, so, I don't watch it everyday like I did when I had babies. Oh, well, I, I watch. Because I play lots of tennis and I'm gone a lot, so, I don't get to watch, I watch it everyday, religiously. I videotape it when I have to miss it. Oh, no kidding.
Yeah. I use to be, I used to be like that I'm that way about a lot of different shows. I'm that way about MURPHY BROWN, DESIGNING WOMEN. Now isn't DESIGNING WOMEN, don't they have a new chick on there instead of the, instead of what's her name? Uh, yeah, there's two new characters on there. There's, um, uh, Jan Hooks from SATURDAY NIGHT LIFE. I don't know if you know her or not. Huh-uh. That's a show I like. And then, and then, uh, uh, the blond headed girl that used to be on NEWHART. Oh, yeah, oh. I don't like her on it, I never have liked her, so. Well, I, I just know which one she is. I don't, you know. She's taken the Suzanne's part, and then Jan Hooks has taken Charlene's part.
Charlene was Delta Burke? Charlene was Jean Smart, the blond headed. Oh, okay, well, see, I never watch that one either. I really don't watch a whole lot of T V, just, you know, on Sunday nights, LIFE GOES ON comes on about the time that we eat dinner, and my whole family's home, because I don't allow the kids out on Sunday night you know, because they've got to go to bed and go to school the next day, Yeah. and so we, we sit around and eat popcorn and, oh, then we watch AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS. Those are always pretty cute. Well, MURDER, SHE WROTE comes on opposite of that, and so, Oh, so you don't watch that one instead of, Yeah I I pick nights pretty much so on T V that I watch different networks, but BEVERLY HILLS NINE OH TWO ONE OH, I, I watch it religiously. Sure. Yeah, we like that real well.
It, be sure to watch it tomorrow night because somebody's getting killed on it. Uh-huh. I know. The kids already know who it is, I don't know who it is, though, Who is it? Ask them Let me ask Nicole. to someone in Nicole. What? Do you want to start? Uh, you hit, you hit, uh, it doesn't matter. Um, we're discussing the capital punishment, I believe. Right. You are right. Yeah. I, I suppose I should have, Uh, which
I am, am pro capital punishment except that I don't like the way it's done. Uh-huh. Uh, yeah, uh, I, uh, I guess, I, I hate to see anyone die, uh Uh-huh. but, uh, I guess these people that go around and, and kill children and women and everything else without any remorse, uh, I don't think they deserve to, to live and be supported by us the rest of their lives. I, I agree. I, I'm, capital the, the, capital punishment is necessary in, in many cases but, uh, the, it's not a deterrent, um, or our jails would not be so full. There wouldn't be so many people in Death Row. Uh-huh. I think it needs to be something, uh, uh, a throwback to where they did a, uh, public execution where it's visible. Yeah. Uh, something, you know, not gruesome but, but something more where people know that it, it was a deterrent and it was equal for all people. If you committed a certain crime, you were going to receive a death penalty
and it was going to happen to you. Yeah. No stays of execution. No, no loopholes, no, Well, and even, even that I don't really know if that would help. I think a lot of these people do it, uh, mainly because of, of T V and, Notoriety. the double reason they, they see it being done on T V and also the fact of, of notoriety. I mean, they become well known. They are almost like, like a big star. yes, but, but they, they know that their chances of actually receiving the death penalty are minimal. Yeah. They know that they will probably be out in ten to twelve years. Uh-huh. That they are going to write a book. They are going to go on talk shows they're
that, that, that's a reward uh, for a heinous crime rather than, uh, having them pay the penalty which is forfeiture of their life. Yeah. Right. In, in complete, uh, of any notoriety. Yeah. Well, I, I, I think if they went according to, uh, the BIBLE where it does say, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life, Uh-huh. Right. uh, you take a life you give yours. Right. Uh, uh, that's for sure. Uh, there's exceptions to the rule I mean if, if it's an accidental taking then, uh, you look at that but, you know, most of these people that down right go right and, and do it out of pure pleasure uh, I don't, uh, like to see that. Uh-huh. I guess also the fact that they say it's not a deterrent, it is a deterrent in the, in the sense that that person will never do it again Well, yes, they will.
Not, not, not if he's killed he can't, do it again. It, Oh, , well, that's correct, yes. if, if he indeed receives the death penalty and it is, it is executed. The death penalty. Uh-huh. Yeah. But, but the, the, the chances are not great that that will happen. Right. But there's a greater chance that he'll be back out on the streets in twelve years. Uh-huh, yeah. Well, I, I guess I'm also looking at beyond even that. I, I, I guess I been thinking about it and I don't have a definite opinion but, uh, repeat, uh, crimes uh, maybe not the, the more mild ones but, you know, a more severe ones especially on, on armed robbery and stuff where they been taking from elderly people, and not just taking the money but beating them half to death. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
That's right. Just for pleasure too and I guess you've got to look at something like that. Yes. Do they deserve to, uh, remain on this earth too? Why, you know, you could carry it to that if, uh, if they are a repeat offender and, and you know that as soon as you let them out on the streets they are going to do this. Unfortunately the way our system of jurisprudence is set up, um, you only receive the death penalty for capital crimes, Right. and of course uh, of battery or assault or, that is not a capital crime see. You, you wouldn't be able to under our system. Right. Now China and a few other countries have a little different view of that. Um, you get caught with dope there and you die, period. Yeah. Uh-huh. There is, there is no, no appeals. There is no, Well, I don't know what to do about the federal budget. Um, there certainly have been ideas surfaced, uh, recently, uh, matter of fact repeatedly by many people
and I sort of wondered what your, what thoughts you had on that area. The, the first one is we need people in there that, that understand, uh, numbers. The numbers that are being thrown around when, when we're talking in trillions of dollars. Uh, which is an astronomical sum Uh-huh. and, and the people that are talking this numbers have no concept of what that number means. Now are you, are you talking about the elected people or are you talking about others? The elected people. Yes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Our, our, our Senate and Congress and, and people that, that deal everyday and, and what's going to be done with those monies um, and don't really understand what that is or how a budget even works. Yes. Uh-huh. Uh, we need to elect people that are more, uh, or ... I'm not sure how you would how would you achieve that? I mean if, Well, let's, let's make them have a degree in economy, uh, or economics. So you would trust the decision making economists?
Well Sometimes called the dismal science. Yeah. But, but people that, that know the value of a dollar that understand the value of a dollar, Uh-huh. Yes. um, and in, in, in the, the, uh, lobbyists, needs them to be eliminated, uh, from Congress. Um, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yes. They don't make pragmatic decisions. They make a decision based on constituency instead of a decision based on what they really believe. Yes. Uh-huh. Um, you know, or they tack on this, uh, pork bellies and, and do things that, that are good for their area to pass something that is, that is not good for the country. Right. So, so you would favor a law which said there could not be lobbyists. I mean right now lobbyists require to register you'd just say, make them all .
Oh, I, I definitely would. Yeah. Get rid of them. Totally. Uh, No causes that you think the lobbyists would be good for? I, I think that any company or anything that wants to contribute to a fund should be able to do that, and be registered with what they ever contribute. Uh-huh. But they should not have a one-on-one relationship with the people making the decisions that affect them. Uh-huh. That, that's a conflict of interest as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. When you are talking again, uh, billions and trillions of dollars uh, you're, you're jeopardizing the future of the country, uh, for today. Uh-huh. That, So, uh, you talk about jeopardizing the future. Would you be against any deficit spending? I, I think to bring it in line you are going to have to have a generation that's going to really bite the bullet to bring it in line. You can't ease into it. It took years and years to build up the momentum that's there now. Uh-huh.
Uh, I, I forget the figures on the interest rate but it's something like, uh, hundreds of thousands of dollars a second in interest. Uh-huh. Yeah. Part of the problem is we don't loan from ourselves. We, we buy from intimate international banking. That's why we have interest. Uh-huh. And, and I, I, I really feel that, that, that is part of the problem that we, we've let things get so out of control that, that we don't want to put the brakes on them. But what practical steps could could one take? Um, By, by having a, a, a budget that is, is feasible, that is reasonable. Well, but everybody will say that he is for that. Uh, and, and how will you, make that actually happen? Oh, of course. Sure . And then add on to it. You take the gross national income and you say our budget is X number of percent of this gross national income. Uh-huh. One thing we could do is give a ten percent income tax. Across-the-board, Uh-huh.
everyone no matter what, pays a ten percent income tax. Yep. Sounds like a good idea. Uh, Nothing escapes, right? No, no, deductions, nothing. That's right. Right. No deductions. Just ten percent. You pay a ten percent income tax. Yep. That's what you pay if you make forty million dollars, uh, then you're going to pay four million. Right. if you make forty dollars, you're going to pay four dollars. And, and that's it. Yep. So that, that's it. That's I mean
I, I agree with that that's a good idea and is it your expectation that that would raise the total revenues collected or, or lower them or what? I don't know that it would or wouldn't. Well, what's your favorite baseball team, Rita? Well, I suppose I'm supposed to say the Rangers, right Is that what is the million dollar question here? Well, that isn't a, a true false or right or wrong test here. Yeah. Uh, uh, you know, I would like to say the Rangers, but unfortunately they're not. I was from Illinois, and my favorite team was the White Sox. Not a Cubbies fan, huh. No, no, my family, my dad was, but I turned out to be a White Sox fan. Well, that's all right.
I lived in Chicago. How do you expect them to do this year? Yeah they did pretty well. Okay. What did you think of the World Series? Well, I'll tell you. I just, uh, moved down from South Dakota in July, and, uh, in South Dakota, the Minnesota Twins are the closest professional sports team to where I was living Uh-huh. and so everybody was a Twins fan, and I was kind of, uh, didn't have much interest in the Twins, you know, it was, it was kind of pathetic, I mean, we only had two radio stations, and one of them broadcast every Twins game live, you know, and, and the other one was country. So you didn't really have a lot of choice, did you. So, that's right. There's was Twins there, or, you know Skip Williams. Or country.
Yeah. Oh, uh, and I was routing for the Twins myself because, uh, they, a couple of Ranger players that I had watched when we first moved here, uh, went to Minnesota, and we used to tease about, my son and I used to have a bet going about some of the players that had moved from here to Minnesota, but it was it certainly was an exciting Series, anyway. It sure was, it sure was. What do you think going to happen to the Rangers? Well, I I would like to assume that they're going to do, do better this coming year, Or can we predict? I was sure hopeful anyway. When we moved down, uh, I was able to go to my first, you know baseball game, and thought, this is great, this is incredible. Uh-huh. So I became a Rangers fan. I didn't really have one in South Dakota. So I adopted the Rangers, or rather they adopted me, I guess Uh-huh. and, uh, it was just exciting, you know, you can watch baseball on T V
and they hit the long ball, and it looks like wow, they really hit that ball. But when you go to the ball park, it's really not all that far you know, No. and it's so much more exciting watching a ball come at you, and. Oh, isn't it though. You know, but, oh, I, I think going to the ball park just really makes it. Because then you watch it on T V you feel like you're more a part of it too. That's right, that's right. Well, I'm a great sports enthusiast, so I love, you know, baseball teams, and they, in fact, on the news tonight, Nolan Ryan was on there. He was being, he was put in the, which I never knew existed, the Restaurant Hall of Fame The Restaurant The Restaurant Hall of Fame inducted him tonight, and he, uh, says he's coming back, you know, uh, Huh. he doesn't know how many years I mean, to pitch.
Right. He'll be at least one more, and he said he's been saying one more, and it's been two and three, might be two and three more. He likes it. That's right Yeah. and he's still doing great still doing excellent. That's right. You know, and he said, I get a kick out of it, you know, he's, he's such a nice man. Well, didn't he just sign a twelve year contract with the Rangers? Yeah, and he, you know when he quits at being active, he will go into, you know being a, managing and, yeah, you know, being a coach, I'm sure. Management. Right. But, he's, uh, he certainly is a good example, uh, for the kids. That's right. You know, you like to have someone like that you could point to say, see what a fine man, that, he is. You know, some of the,
like, uh, Ivan Rodriguez wasn't even born when, when, uh, Nolan Ryan started pitching. That's right. And it's just incredible to think that there's, uh, there are players who are the sons of ball players that used to play against Nolan or with Nolan, you know, Uh-huh. and now their sons are. Oh, he's been a legend for so many years, you know, and I don't know, were you here, had you moved here yet when he did the exhibition at U T with his son. His son pitched for U T and he pitched for an exhibition game for the Rangers. Uh-huh, I wasn't. Yeah, it was a, I think it was a little early part of the summer, and uh, Nolan against. Was it Nolan against, uh Ryan against Ryan, huh. Ryan against Ryan, yeah,
his son pitched for U T Well that is neat. and, uh, only, uh, Ryan didn't want too much publicity on it because he didn't want his son getting too nervous about this whole thing. Uh-huh. A game is a game, you know. Well, the Rangers really, uh, knocked the socks off of them, which you would expect you know, anyway, Right. but Nolan I think took himself out after a couple of innings or something, you know, of the game so, Well, how do you feel about capital punishment? Well, I, I just last Friday got off a capital murder case. Oh, you did? Yeah, I was on the jury. Uh, Wow. Yeah Which is funny because I got called last night and the topic was, uh, something about juries Oh, really Yeah,
so I am just hitting it right. Uh, how do I feel about it? I, I don't know. Well, I guess it is right in certain cases. Uh, Yeah. well, the one I was just on, I don't, I was an alternate on the case, so I don't know what was decided. Right. They are probably still in deliberations on it. Uh-huh. But, uh, what I found out, once, once I was declared an alternate and I was dismissed, we met with the judge, the two alternates did. Right. And, uh, he went on to tell us how they happened to catch this guy and I remember hearing about it. It was about a year ago. Uh, he was, he was involved in another one, another capital murder the very next month and he was caught just, they, they drove up,
the police drove up just as he fired the gun and killed the guy. Oh, wow. So he was caught and, uh, it's interesting because the county I live in, I'm not in Dallas county, I'm, I'm pretty far north of Dallas. Okay. Uh, county I live in, in the past ten years only had two capital murders. Wow. And last year there were six and this guy is indicted on three of them. Really? Yeah, so you have to wonder you know. Wow Yeah, well, the cases like that, they should, Yeah. I mean, if he's going to be drastic, somebody has to be drastic back. Yeah,
although, you know, it's not really revenge because it doesn't mean anything to him. You know, he, he has no concept of what he has done. Really? He just, well, from what I can tell. I mean, I didn't talk to the guy or anything, but I mean, he doesn't seem to have any regard for anybody's life including his own. Right. Wow. So, it's, it's kind of strange that, you know, Uh-huh. No, no remorse whatsoever, huh. No, huh-uh. Well, I guess in cases like that, you know, where the guy would, obviously, go out and do it again I mean, you've got to do something. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's funny because when, you know, they interview you before you go on the jury and for capital murder, I was interviewed by four attorneys for about five hours. Right. Wow. And I,
the, I was the, I think the ninety eighth person they'd interviewed. You're kidding. But, you know at the time when the guy kept saying could you ever convict someone and do you think you'd ever know beyond a doubt and I said I can't imagine, I said if I knew beyond a doubt or if I felt beyond a doubt that he had done it, yeah, I guess I could convict him, but I can't imagine you ever making me that sure of something. Right. But they really did. It was, it was really amazing. Really? Well, I guess if the police came out and saw him fire the gun, Well, that was a subsequent case that we didn't know about. And those jurors don't know about. Oh, really? But this particular case, I mean, they had a complete confession from the guy with a lot of things that, that the police hadn't released Okay. so no one else would have known. Oh.
It was, it was really pretty interesting. Wow. What, Educational. I guess cases like that, I don't see why they wouldn't bring in the new evidence from the other case. Well, they can't, they can, I think in the punishment phase but not in the guilt or innocence because he hasn't been, he hasn't been found guilty of it. Okay. Of that crime Right. but he was found guilty of okay. Right, so you know, it's, although, it's not going to take much to prove that. That works. Right. So, Well, they pushing the death penalty? Uh, yeah, this guy is up for the death penalty. Wow.
Uh, and in Texas there is, there is a couple of questions you have to ask, uh, in the punishment phase. Uh, for example, was the guy provoked and was the response reasonable given the provocation And there is a number of questions and just depending on whether you say yes or no, uh, you, you can give him capital punishment and if you're up to the point where if he still qualifies for capital punishment, then you can look at mitigating circumstances. Okay. So, So there is a lot of outs, but the only result is, otherwise he gets life in prison. Yeah, and I'm really kind of against life in prison anyway because it costs so dog gone much. Yeah Right, and, and to me, I mean, you take away a person's freedom, you've taken away most of their life. That's true. I mean, if you're going to put him in prison for life with no chance for parole, Yeah, but, But then you have to look at reality. I mean, I think, you know, normally they, they may get out
so, That's true. But what is it worth? I don't know. Uh-huh. Personally I don't know which I would pick if I had a choice for myself. That's true. I mean, I don't know whether I'd stay in prison or not or, Yeah, so, you said you're from Mississippi? Yes, ma'am. And do they have the death penalty there? Yes, they do. I, they've had a, a number of cases here. Uh-huh. I mean, not a whole lot, well, Jackson, I heard just the other day had their sixty-first murder this year.
Uh-huh. It was like last like year they had forty-nine so that's going up. Uh-huh. But, yeah, they have a death penalty. I hear of one every now and then. Uh-huh. And I visited the prison up here and, at Parchman Uh-huh. and I've been, I haven't, they won't let you on death row, but they'll let you look down the hall. You can't see any prisoners and, and it's kind of a weird feeling. I've been they took us around on a tour, you know, and I went, got to walk in the gas chamber Ooh.
and it is kind of a weird feeling knowing you're sitting there saying, like, people have died here. That's right. But I guess, just going up there and seeing the surroundings and stuff, the people up there, Well, uh, let's see, what type of car do I want? Well, I'd like to have a Corvette. Oh, wow. But my, uh, weekly wages don't apply for me to have that kind of car, so Yeah. uh, I'm engaged to get married so, I'll more likely get a car for economic reasons. Right. Yeah, and, uh, so, uh, to drive back and forth to work is all I'll need a car for pretty much. And we have a truck, so probably a economic size car or, uh, What kind of a car do you have now? Right now I have a eighty-seven Cavalier. It's a piece of
My car is really old, too, because, uh, I drive out of town a lot of the weekends Uh-huh. and, uh, I would like my next car to have good gas mileage. Right. And, uh, same here, uh, you know, a nice car, American made and, uh, you know, a, a nice car, but not too expensive, because, uh, I couldn't afford like a brand new like Lamborghini I hardly drive, But while we're talking, right While we're talking, my next car, I'd like to be sporty and, you know nice, Right. but, you know, it's expensive and then insurance is really high for that, too so, Something with a, that's not too sporty because of insurance, then Oh, I know. Right, that insurance does come into play.
I forgot about that. Yeah. What kind of insurance do you have up there or is it real high up there? Uh, no mine just got lowered because I just turned twenty-one and, uh, I'm not sure really how much I pay. I just, my mom's helping me out, you know, because I'm a college, I'm in college and, uh, so I just give her the money and take her word for it Right. Right, I mean that insurance is high dollars. Yeah, yeah, it is, so, But, And the more expensive the car, the higher it is so, Unless I win the lottery, I won't be driving, anything too expensive.
Right, yeah. Right. I don't plan on buying a car for many, many years so, Right, yeah. I have to make this one last as long as I can. What's everybody drive up there? Uh, in Kenosha? I mean in Wisconsin, they drive them little four wheelers or four wheel drive Oh, it just is, or, do you all need four wheel drives up there because of snow and everything? Yeah, we, we have a Jeep with four wheel drive because, uh, because of the snow, you mean or, Right, it never snows down here, so, Well, we don't have any snow here now.
Really? It all melted. Yeah, there is no snow at all. We haven't had snow yet. We usually only get like once a year or so. Huh. Kind of strange to you all, huh? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Because, how, it's like seventy degrees here right now. Oh, don't tell me that Yep, how, how cold is it there? Well, actually, it's been warm, it's in the forties. Really? Yeah,
and that's, that's really warm. Huh. Uh, and it's supposed to rain tomorrow so we, I've only seen snow once this year. And it was really bad and then it all melted like within the week. Really? And now there is no snow, so, Huh. But, um, so what, what is your dream car? Uh, I haven't really thought about it. I'm not too big on cars. I mean, I don't know the names and stuff, but if I were to go to a car lot and like look at them I would pick out one that, you know looked really nice. Uh-huh. What's your favorite color? Uh, for a car? Yeah.
Probably blue. Like if it, you know, was just an average, middle class car. Blue? But if I were to get a sports car, maybe white or red Right right. Yeah. So, what kind of car do you drive right now? Uh, it's a Sky Hawk Buick. Really? Eighty-three, I think. Really? Yeah, uh, like eighty-two thousand miles. Really? Yeah. Oh. I'm afraid it's not going to last me that long and I hope it does, though. Yeah.
It's a two door. I like, I like smaller cars. They're, I find them more comfortable to drive. Right, does everybody have their windows tinted up there? Uh, no, I don't see too many cars tinted. Everybody has tinted down here. Oh, I'm sure, yeah. I could, I could see why. So, you been down here before? Yep. Really? Uh, Did you like it? It was busy Yeah, it's different I bet, huh.
Yeah, It was nice. I remember, uh, swimming on Easter day and it was like really cold up here, but came back with a little tan, Right so that was nice It's like, you know, everybody freaks out when it Hi, well, I guess, which one have you got right now? Or, Well, I, uh, couple of them, I, at the moment, use an A S T two eighty-six and I got a leading edge and I got a American one and had a I B M one, but My, my,

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