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right, right. Those and the real sturdy boxes that copy room paper comes in, with the nice lids. Those get thrown away. Uh-huh, right. And I am constantly scouting out the copy room for those boxes. That's exactly what I do. Those are perfect boxes to put files in. Uh-huh. They're good for storage and stuff like that. That's what I do with a lot of my daughter's things is I'll store her, you know, like her out dated or, out of, out of season clothes in them and they're just perfect. What, what I've done in the past, I don't have any now, but I would buy some cheap wallpaper from somewhere and cover those nice boxes with the lids, Uh-huh. and you can stack them up and, and leave them out and put things in them, even. And they look just as good. That's a smart idea.
Uh-huh, yeah. I think I'll have to try that. That's really cute. Yeah well, you know, it's cheaper than going and buying the kind at Target that are all ready with the little design on them or whatever. They're the exact same thing. That's all they are, they just made them look fancy. Uh-huh, yeah. You saved me some money. And you're recycling yeah. Well that's neat. Well do you all have, uh, we have places that, uh, pay for paper to recycle, I know you do yours at work, but for newspaper. Uh-huh.
But ours are real hard to find. That's the one thing that really discourages me. I saved you know, I recycle paper, but they, it's almost like they don't want the paper, because they don't pay, at all, I mean, they're real hard to find the places that pay. And that's really discouraging. I mean, I just go ahead and take it to the, the regular place, where it's, you know, they just accept it. But they, uh, I think they should yeah, if they want people to recycle I think it's, uh, you know, like the aluminum, you know, it gets people to, uh, doing it, you know, you might, you don't have to pay them a lot. Yeah, I live near a Walmart and there's a big, uh, uh, huge dumpster looking thing sitting out front, in fact I think there's two of them, that have several openings, Uh-huh. and it's for recycling
and they have aluminum and newspaper and plastic and some other category, Uh-huh. I don't, maybe there's two for aluminum. And you don't get paid but it's real convenient just to chunk the newspapers in there. Well that's, that's good. Yeah. I, the one thing I don't like about the newspaper also is, uh, like at work we have two different trash cans at your desk. You have one for paper and one for just your normal trash, Uh-huh. but in, uh, in the paper one you have to separate. You have to make sure you don't throw away any of the slick paper, like magazines. Uh-huh. You can't throw any of that away and you can't throw certain file type things away, and I just think it's such a hassle, it seems like it would be, it would be easy to take it all,
I don't know, of course, I don't know all that about recycling so, it probably is a hassle. Uh-huh. But I do get tired of having to separate paper, you know. Uh-huh. It gets to be, uh, I guess you have to make it a habit, I mean, you have to get so used to doing it that it's a habit. Right, right. And we had, uh, a write up in our paper, uh, this last time at work about, um, they come and empty your trash every other day they do your normal trash and every other day they do your recycling trash. Uh-huh. And somebody was writing in complaining that the people had, uh, dumped all the trash in the same bin. Oh. And when they were questioned about it they said well, we're running late, or we didn't have time to do those bins or something and that's real discouraging. Thinking you're sitting there working to separate it
and then they, And someone else isn't going to take the time to put it in two separate bags. Right, right, so they're, they're really, trying to start keeping an eye out for those, you know talking to the people again about, you know, separate them because that is discouraging when you, when you do that the It was hard to get used to those two different trash cans. Uh-huh. But luckily that will all get straightened out and, and they'll, they'll start separating them. Because, I don't mind doing that, I feel like I'm doing, uh, doing something for the community when I'm doing that. Yeah. But anyway. Well, I've enjoyed talking to you. You too. Well, I, thank you. Bye,
bye. Bye. Okay Where to start. I haven't had that much, of course I just heard, but I haven't had that much time to think about it, either. I guess the, uh, biggest thing I find is the financial aspects, uh, particularly, the ability of people to access, you know, your financial records or, for example your credit, uh, rating almost at will. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's true. I didn't think about that. And, uh, of course flying , uh, using your Social Security number, of course, permits people to do that Uh-huh. and almost anything you do now, a Social Security number is required. Uh-huh. And, uh, of course there's another aspect of this, too, uh, in terms of invasion of privacy I just thought about it, being a professional and, of course, you probably belong to one or more professional organizations,
and that is that some of the organizations sell their mailing lists which I think is a, is an invasion of privacy. Uh-huh. I agree Yes, I get some of these things in the mail that I wonder, where in the world did they get my address or where did they get my name And in fact, some of these things I get, some of these questionnaires, it's funny because I'm, I was in the process of filling one out when I decided I would make this phone call, but uh, I haven't got to the end of it yet where it asks all that salary information and everything, but, when you have to send that back in the mail with your name on it, your salary information, I, I just have a real hard time doing that, uh, and they ask you what type of household items do you own, like stereos and T V and V C R and, and you hate to send something off with your name and address and what types of things do you own and what kind of money do you make and you wonder, well, who's going to get ahold of this and think, um, that's a nice place to go rob And not only that, it, it opens you to phone solicitations for a variety of things from, Right. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I got one tonight about six thirty when I sat down to eat dinner,
carpet cleaning I've had them for carpet cleaning, I've had them for, of course, for, you know, real estate investments Uh-huh. you know, you get, uh, please send in your, uh, you know, this particular card and you get, uh, a free trip or something along those lines. Right. And so, that, uh, that bothers me because I, of course, I enjoy being at home and I do not enjoy getting called by strangers uh, particularly you know, soliciting. Uh-huh. So, having your, and I know that a lot of these, of course, are random phone calls Uh-huh. they just, you know, start going through the phone book or going through a series of numbers, but some of them are sold, and I know you talking about mailing lists, the I, there is one particular group to which I belong and for some, the reason they have three different names for me. Um.
Now the address is the same you know, my, my office address Uh-huh. But they have one under, you know, my first name, James. They have one under my first name and initial middle initial, Uh-huh. then they have a, a third one under my, just my two initials. Uh-huh. And and I get mail here at home under each of those names. Uh-huh. Oh, no So I know that they have sold their mailing list. Right. And, uh, I think those two things bother me more than anything else as far as an invasion of privacy. Yeah. And, uh, I can't really think of anything else offhand, that, uh, I think I dislike the phone number part the worst. I mean, it's, it's one thing to get junk mail because you can, you can just put it right in the trash, but it's the phone calls, and, you know, usually when they call you, it's going to be when you right when you sit down to dinner because they know, they pretty much know that you're at work all day and they call you right when, when you've just gotten home from work.
The last thing you want is a phone call unless it's, you know, something halfway enjoyable, but if it's a salesperson, it's just something you don't want to have to mess with. And, and I've gotten a lot of them lately, or I'll, sometimes I come home from work and there's a lot of hang ups on my answering machine and I'm just assuming it's probably a salesman that called during the day and, I wasn't home, and they'll probably call me up and, you know, call me back and bother me when I sit down to dinner later on, but I find that very annoying The, uh, mail stuff, Uh-huh. yeah, you know, it's kind of irritating, but it's not nearly as obnoxious as the phone calls. I think, I think you mentioning the phone calls during dinner, I know when I sit down with the family and want to have the opportunity, you know, to talk and see what's going on and all those things, even if friends call it irritates me. Uh-huh. Yeah. So I try to,
I actually during that period of time from, you know, usually from six o'clock or six thirty, whenever I get home, until eight or so, I will shut off the phone Uh-huh. and, uh, my daughter gets irate when I, when I do that because, you know, she's a teenager Uh-huh. Uh, oh. so she'll, you know, I might get an important phone call, but, So I guess those three things are the, uh, uh, most irritating to me. Uh-huh. I agree with the phone, too, in that, I'm single, but when I come home from work, there's times I need to pay bills, I need to balance my checking account, I need to do all kinds of different things like that, and even though it's friends calling, sometimes you just feel like, this is my quiet time, I need to get things done and the phone ringing bothers me, but that's, that's where answering machines are nice, because if it's really important they'll leave a message and I can call them back That's right. But, uh, at work I have so many phone calls from customers calling in, sometimes it is just, I just want to get away from the phone ringing because it, it really does annoy me.
And, uh, if I've had a lot of phone calls during the day when occasionally when we have, uh, like this past week, we have to do a lot of troubleshooting when the programmers have installed a new system, and, uh, phone rings like crazy and you come home and the last thing you want to do is have to answer the phone. And if it's some salesman, that just makes it even that much worse. And, uh, it just, I get to where I, I turn the answering machine on and just let it pick up the phone, but now with this thing I'm participating in, I kind of have to answer it, because you never know if it's the switchboard or if it's, uh, you know, somebody calling that you really don't want to talk on the phone. Well I have, now we have a, you know, voice mail system at, uh, at the office. Uh-huh. Now what I have done is, I have forwarded my home phone to the answering service at the office so that I do not have to have a, uh a ring at all. If I, if I want to do that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. A ring at all. Oh, huh. That's an idea Right. And, uh, or I will just let the phone ring three or four times and know that it will forward to, uh, to the office.
Uh-huh. And so it's, you know, it makes it convenient. But at the office when I, you know, we can, uh, on our system, and I imagine on most systems you can just route it directly to the answering service. Yeah. Ours is that way, too. And when I, when I want to be, you know, not bothered during the day, that's exactly what I do. Uh-huh. And so, uh, Well, yours is probably the same as ours. It's, uh, Tigon , isn't Tigon , uh, part of G T E or vice versa or something like that. Uh. Seems I read, Yeah, well Tigon is part of G T E. Okay. Okay that's it, that G T E had purchased Tigon
and, Yeah, that's what we have. Except we call it Aspen. Aspen? Yes. Huh And, uh, we, I couldn't remember in Tigon had purchased G T E phone mail services or if G T E had purchased Tigon . I knew there was some type of a tie in there. I remember reading in the paper a few months back but, Yeah, G T E purchased Tigon . Okay. And so, we had, had been using a, the Aspen service before they purchased Tigon Uh-huh. so I imagine we will be, uh, shifting over to that service uh, for a while, or if, in a while As soon as we determine what we're going to do with Contel after we bought Contel Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, Dana, I think we have probably conversed long enough. I think we did, Well, that's good All right. I didn't think we could go too far on this privacy thing, but, uh, I guess it's close enough well thank you for calling. I I, I enjoyed talking to you. Sure, good talking to you, Jim. All right. Bye-bye. Take care. Okay. Capital punishment, oh, I honestly don't feel like it's strict enough in my opinion. In the way that it's applied or it's applied at all? Uh-huh.
Applied at all. So, I, how do you feel that it should be applied? Well, I I just feel like there's a lot of murderers and rapists, and everything else, just walking the streets. You know? And that, that, the penalty ought to be out there, and be enforced? Yes. Yes. Not getting paroled, let's say in so many, years. Yeah. I mean, if your going to sentence somebody, let's say twenty years, let them stay twenty years. That's, I agree with that completely. I know we don't have enough prisons, but there has got to be some kind of punishment, For these people. There has, that's right. Because if they turn around, they can get away, they get away with it, and they get away with it, and they get away with it, and then they do something worse
Uh-huh. and they get a slap on the wrist. They get, thirty days in jail Yeah. Yeah. and they final get up to where they kill somebody else, and they go through fourteen appeals, and how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars. Uh-huh. That's right. That's, honestly right. And it's, Well, they certainly are living off our at our expense. Uh, they sure are just because, some innocent person, can really, I didn't , it seems like, really a rough time Yeah. you know? I'm not saying innocent person, let's say someone wrote a hot check, for instance. You know, it seems like when they go to prison, it, they really seem like it's a rough time for them Uh-huh.
he's just there to serve his time, and get back out on the street. And, and be paroled, and and have served the sentence, Yeah. that's what, that's what people face with that choice. One thing I really hate, is they don't explain to the jurors, in a, in a trial, in a capital murder trial, or in cases of rape, or in different things that are so horrible, what it means when they sentence them to, you know, they'll sentence them to ninety years and say that it's, you know, that it's going to, you know, Uh-huh. that should be life, but, instead, in, in given the choice of either sentencing to death, or sentencing to life, they'll give them ninety years in prison or something, and then turn around in thirty years, that, you know, and less they're out. Uh-huh. Even if, if they're even in that long. Or they appeal, and then they get an appeal that says it was, you know, an unjust amount of time, an extraordinary long length, or something. Time, uh-huh. Yes. I was, I would just be, I would love to see them just really get real strict on parole you know. Yeah.
I'd like to see the death penalty more as a deterrent, I think people know that nobody, that it doesn't, you know, it's not a deterrent right now, because it's not really effective. Uh-huh. There's should be, you know, this, for this crime, this is the penalty. You killed, someone you know, in cold blood or whatever. Uh-huh. Yeah. You get, it back, yeah. This is what's going to happen. Yeah. And, I mean, it sounds horrible. It, I hear myself saying this, and, but, I, don't know what else to do with some of these people, that are, Yeah. But it's, I, I know. because they let them back out again,
and they do the same thing over, and over, again, Same thing, Yes. then they put them back in jail, and they get out, and and more and more innocent people are hurt or killed Yes. Uh-huh. and these guys just are on the endless merry-go-round in the legal system. Uh-huh. And it's like I said at our expense. Uh, a lot of people really doesn't think that much about it, because it hasn't happened to them, which it hasn't to me either, you know? Yes. Thank goodness. But still, it could. I know, I, you read about it in the paper, every day, somebody who's done this, or that, something really horrible Yes. Uh-huh. and they just get away with it,
and nothing happens. And as far as the other states, I honestly don't know what their capital punishment is. You know, I, I, haven't kept up, you know, anything, like that. Yeah. I think I think Texas is Texas, the southern states seem to be somewhat more conservative and still have the death penalty, and I think, I know California had it for a long time, and then they, uh, took it off the books, they repealed it Uh-huh. and people like Charles Manson, and, and some of these other people, who were sentenced to death at the time they repealed the death penalty, were sentenced to life in prison, and are now, now that even though California has reinstated the death penalty, for whatever various crimes. The people who were there originally, when they, when they changed the laws to revoke the death penalty, are still in there for, are in prison, in quote, for life, and, and are now coming up for parole, some of them, like Manson who's come up you know Uh. Uh-huh. it's been denied fortunately but, Yes. But still, it came up though, didn't it, Yeah. I mean, you know
Well, the jury that sentenced him, sentenced him to death Uh-huh. and then while he was on appeal on his thousandth and one appeal, the state of California revoked the law in the early seventies, and then they reinstated it later, but the penalty didn't go back. You know? Uh-huh. It seems like a lot of times the law is, is totally on the criminal side, and, and isn't protecting the rest of the people. Yes. The victim is really, seems like left out in the cold, more or less, doesn't it, Uh-huh. in a lot of, well, especially in things, you pick up the paper, and you read, you know, you think, oh my goodness Yeah. And the, the laws are all, the rules. Some of the things that would make sense to, to tell the jury, that this, this guy has a, a prior criminal history, you know, where he's raped ten women Uh-huh. and then he gets up for this one trial, and they don't finds anything out about the facts that he's done this over and over and over again Uh-huh. and so they say, well, this is, you know,
I, I don't know if they say it's the first time offense or whatever, but they give him a lighter sentence, thinking he's not a habitual criminal. Or, you know, plead insanity. Yeah, yeah. Well, To some extent if they would do something with some of those people. But that seems to be a good way to get off for a lot of them too. Oh yes, They plead insanity uh-huh. Uh-huh. and then three years later they're cured, and let loose on society again. Yes. I, it just, just doesn't make sense, I mean, it's a it's a scary world out there anymore, where your afraid to go out, I, I know, in, in the Dallas metroplex area, I don't go out hardly if I don't have to at night by myself Uh-huh. and I, I certainly, I, I grew up in a smaller town in Texas,
and it wasn't that way when I was younger. Uh-huh. Well, like I, said, I live in a small place. You know. We could go around, and, boy and, But, uh, even the small towns now though, has really changed from when I was a kid, but now I'm raising children. It it really is. Yes. Ever, you can't even, when I was a kid, I would run between my neighbors, three and four blocks sometimes, and, as long as my mom had a general idea where I was and I was back on the time, Uh-huh. and now I don't let my kids out of the front yard, that I can't see them. See them. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. Well, we're probably fixing to run out of time pretty, soon, Uh-huh.
but I've enjoyed talking to you. Well, good talking to you too. Bye, Bye bye. okay. Bye-bye Okay, um, now the term personal computer, uh, I don't happen to have one at home. Um, but I do have a personal computer on my desk here. A type of work station? Yeah, uh, yeah, just kind of, it's kind of a kluge that was pieced together to, to, uh, shall we say bypass the formal procurement process. And, uh, it, it works just fine. It says it's a monochrome monitor, Panasonic printer, uh, no big deal, it, it does the things I need for it to do. Is it a two eighty-six or three eighty-six base machine? No,
it's not even that. It's eighty eighty-eight? Uh, I think that's about where it is. Okay. Uh what type of, uh, utilizations do you make of it? Word processing obviously. Uh, yeah, I do that, I, I do, uh, some Lotus on it. Uh, do some, uh, Samna, some, uh, P F M, uh, nothing extremely complex. Okay. Uh, I use them both here at work and at home. Uh-huh. And I have I B M clones in both cases. Yep. Here at work I have the T I one thousand which is a three eighty-six base machine. Oh, yeah. I bet that's a pretty nice setup. Yes, it is. Uh, unfortunately I need all of it.
Yep. Uh, for example, I was messing around with a spreadsheet this weekend that's a third of a meg in beta size. Wow. And that, I know that, uh, brings an eighty eighty-eight machine to its knees because I had taken it over from a friend who was working on it and he had a two eighty-six machine, Yep. and it brought it to its knees. Just in the ability to handle. Wow. And then I have, uh, a three eighty-six F X a sixteen bit machine, at home. Uh-huh. And I'm really pleased with it. Uh-huh. It manages to take care of all my home needs in terms of word processing and spreadsheets and, uh, databases, database searches. Sure. Uh-huh. Uh, what I've gotten into more recently are the tools to use them. Have you, Yeah. Yeah. To try to make them more effective and useful.
Right. Have you been, uh, struggling along those lines? Well, um, I seem to always be in the, the next to the last generation of word processing software. When everyone was in Samna I was still in P F M, and now that I finally become proficient in Samna everybody's going to WordPerfect. So, I can never quite stay current with that. Well, I think you will be real pleased to get away from the banana as I used to call it. It's, uh, I used it on, uh, some other machines in days gone by and was real pleased to leave it. It was a real memory hog when you started making large blot changes to it. Uh-huh. The, at least the version I had tended to keep copies of that. Of what you were changing and deleting off in memory until all of, all of a sudden you got a disc full error. Not a fun thing to try to recover from. Oh. Huh. I can I can believe that. Very frustrating. Uh, but again I've been dealing with large files both data and, and otherwise. Uh, that was a engineering spec on B two. You come here with the B level of specs?
No, not really. I'm not that up be on that sort of thing. Well, it's just a huge file that tries to describe the requirements of what you're trying to build. Uh, to one level down from assistant description. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, well, it sounds like you're pretty much into computers. Well, I sure need them. Uh, there's no way that I could begin to process and keep up with the kinds of information or the magnitude of information that I need to, to try to do my job without them. I can believe that. Well, it's, it's been interesting. Yes, uh, maybe you'll play around some and figure out how they can help you do different things. I think that's when you, you start deciding that you really need greater assets than you already have. When you start seeing what all they can do for you. Yeah, of course, needs and wants aren't necessarily the same thing. Well, I understand that you know. if, needs and wants were the same I'd have a four eighty-six machine at home
I is, is that the newest thing now, the four eighty-six? Right. That, that must be a fairly recent release. Uh, that's, came out around the first of the year. Okay, okay. Because I, I had done capital packages for two eighty-sixes and three eighty-sixes, but I didn't know they had a four eighty-six just yet. It does a few more things, uh, than had been available before. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I'm not sure that it's such a massive improvement. Uh, you know, once you get passed thirty-three megahertz, all help is, kind of lost in the, in the translation. Because you no longer can think that fast anyway. Sure. Yeah. Well, okay. I enjoyed our discussion. I did too,
and you have a good day. You do the same. Bye-bye. Bye. All Right. Ladies, first. Oh, no. Well, I don't find a lot of time to watch T V. And a lot of time, I find it during the day when, when I'm rocking my little girl to sleep, so I watch a lot of reruns, old shows, Like DICK VAN DYKE, all those old crazy shows. Yeah I really enjoy watching ANDY GRIFFITH. Well, so your a homemaker? Yeah. I guess, that's, the right term nowadays. Yeah. I guess so. Yeah, I am.
I stay home with two kids. Yeah. My wife, we have a new one in the house and she stays home, too, also. Huh-uh. Um, I guess, I have a wide variety. I like watching the T V for things that are interesting, not so much the things that aren't, for example, like the COSBY SHOW to me is just kind of like a waste of my time, and DIFFERENT STROKES. Huh-uh. But I like SIXTY MINUTES, PRIME TIME LIVE. Huh-uh. Of course, I have to watch cartoons on Saturday morning, but not the NINJA TURTLES. I like the old-timey ones, TOM AND JERRY. You sound like my husband. There you go. He likes TOM AND JERRY and, uh, BUGS BUNNY AND ALL HIS FRIENDS. And all those guys. Right. JOHNNIE QUEST. the good ones.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, now if I'm ever home during the, during the day on a vacation day, I have to catch at twelve o'clock the ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW, because I usually, because he's just, he's one of my idles. And then, uh, but I don't know, it seems like nowadays everything is so electronic, you know, magnified and animated, that you can grab from the old style movies and old style shows a little bit more insight to family groupings. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. And so, uh, now I do, with the COSBY SHOW, I have seen it a couple of times and, I do, I like the show. I just don't watch it. Because of the timing, Yeah. but, uh, some of the crap that's on T V nowadays, it's about . Yeah. I do watch the special shows that they come out with, the NOVA stuff. And, and, the nature shows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, I think there's enough out there to pick from. I'm not,
we don't have cable to the point of, of the H B O or any of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, Well, I find myself watching just a whole lot of whatever is geared for children. Because, *two utts with two kids Huh-uh. and, you know, I don't want them watching something that I don't think they should watch or, I used to be really hooked on ALL MY CHILDREN, Sure. Oh, me. And I watched that for like, oh, ten or fifteen straight years, Oh, no. and then I had, well, you know, I'd eat like at work, we'd have a T V or whatever. And then, um, as my kids got older and started, you know, recognizing what was going on, I thought, this isn't really very good So I gave it up. Fifteen years. Yeah. Bet they hated that. I watched, I had watched it since it started.
So, Oh, goodness. Uh, now I, I don't know who the characters are, and, um, I'll turn it on every once in awhile and I don't recognize anybody, so I guess that's a good sign Yeah. Really. I used to watch, uh, I can recall, this might age me, date me here, uh, I can remember staying home, when I was five and six, and my mother watching the EDGE OF NIGHT. Huh-uh. Oh, yeah. Well, see, you're probably about the same age as me because my mom watched the SECRET STORM, and the EDGE OF NIGHT. SECRET STORM. Well, I think they were back to back, and black and white. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. I was just a youngster
and I was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, we used to, my mother watched all that stuff, too. And AS THE WORLD TURNS. I think AS THE WORLD TURNS may, still on or not. Still be on. It was not too long ago. Yeah. Now they got a lot of other crap involved. And so, Yeah. You're right. I think some of the tones of the, the daily prime time is questionable, Yeah. And that could be, uh, I have to agree with you. Yeah. You know keep them on the channel eleven, channel twenty one. The nature stuff, you know Right. Yeah.
We do, and it's real interesting, too, the difference in my kids, like um, my oldest loved SESAME STREET, And those kind of shows. Huh-uh. My younger one doesn't. She's more into WALT DISNEY kind, you know, we watch a lot of movies that we've got on V C, on tapes, and stuff. Huh-uh. She's more into the animated stuff, where my other daughter liked puppets and that kind of thing so, But, um, we do a lot of kid watching. Huh-uh. Well, sounds like you got your hands full there, and I do appreciate speaking with you. Sure. It was fun. Have you gotten your catalog yet? No, I don't think so. Yeah. I just spoke with Jim.
I just got my in the mail sp? mine and it inspired me to make more phone calls Oh, well, see I don't really. I've had a few people call me, but, I've never made one. Oh, really. Yeah. I need to get brave Yeah. Give them your pen number. sp: pin Yeah. Yeah. That's what I need to do. Have a good day. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right. All right. What are some of your favorite foods?
Mine, well, I imagine in Argentina you've got some great foods. Yeah, well, we got, um, a lot of, uh, European dishes. Uh-huh. We got, we got what some people call the best beef in the world. Yes. So it's, uh, Bishu like every Sunday you go out, and you buy all these parts of the cow, and then you just cook them over a grill. That's, like, in our house, it's already built in. There's this whole special place in the back so you can make a barbecue. I've had, I've had that meal in New York, uh, where they bring you a plank, sort of, with all this wonderful beef parts of beef, cooked and barbecued Yeah. Yeah. and it's marvelous . And then.
I have to find a place around here that has that. Well, they have one in, uh, they have an Argentinean place down in Georgetown. So. Okay, I'll keep that in mind, yeah. Um. You serve that yourself, or the, for a family? Excuse me? You ever serve that yourself when you have company? Oh, no, well, see, the problem is, I'm only twenty-two Uh-huh. but like, like when I'm down at home Yeah. and like somebody says okay, when are, when are we having this, you know, and I'll cook it. Oh. You know, like you have to prepare the fire, and then put the sausages on, and then, you know, you put all these different meats which take different times. Do you buy them, um, separately at, you know, an American grocery store now,
or do you have to, you don't, you don't go buy it from a wholesaler. No, but what happens is in Argentina they have like all these little places like the fruit stand, and, you know, the dairy, and products and whatever, Little butcher shops, yeah. *two utts and so. Yeah, I've lived in Mexico, so I know. And so they got, they got the meat place. Yeah. And so you just go there and, you can't find chicken there, you got to go to another place to find the chicken. Yeah, you have to, you have poultry place. What do you, what other, what dishes do you serve with it? Well, basically, it's, what we call it impenadas which is, which is, like, Yeah. The turnover,
the stuffed turnover. Right, meat turnovers. Oh, I love those, uh-huh. And, then we also put sausages on a bun, and then that's, that's to start out with. Yeah. And then what you have is also like, you know, like three different kinds of salad. Uh-huh. And uh, that's about it. Do you remember when you were in Washington, Sam the Argentine baker? Uh, no. It used to be in Georgetown, years ago. He moved, I guess he, he retired and went back to Argentina, I guess, in the early seventies. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that that's before your time.
Yeah. Your parents might remember if they were here then. No, we were only there for two years. Okay. I mean, he was wonderful. We used to get the most marvelous impenadas and other Argentine things. Yeah. And, uh, what I, what I also eat now, since I graduate, I have an Italian roommate, and, Yeah, I'm Italian. Are you? Uh-huh. And since being Argentinean we also have a lot of pasta. Yeah, well, And, you know, Because there're many Italians in Argentina. Yeah,
and my mom, you know, like makes like what we call niokes and *sp:gnocchis all this stuff, that it's just, you know, everything like lasagna and everything. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, yeah. My grandparents, my grandfather came to the United States through Argentina. Oh, okay. This was around the turn of the century. Actually, actually a little bit later, like nineteen thirteen, nineteen twelve, nineteen thirteen. Yeah, yeah. At one point, one third of the population of Argentina was Italian. Like pure Italians. well, I'll tell you, it's interesting, because when we cook here, I'm of Italian descent. My husband is Chinese. Okay. So we, and we both love Continental cooking, French cooking. Okay. So we cook, uh, our meals are, well, we don't, we don't usually mix.
I mean, that sometimes Right. Yeah. *slash error should be 'b' well, if we're entertaining we'll do a Chinese recipe and, um, there are really easy recipe that is, you know, with Chinese you always have several dishes And nowadays with microwaves, you can steam many of the things in a microwave. Yeah. I don't know if you have one. Yeah. And if you like Chinese food, you can take filet of fish and put a little bit of soy sauce and a little bit of sesame oil on top of it and chop some scallions and a little ginger and just cover it with some, uh, waxed paper and steam it just until the fish is done, Okay. Okay. Okay. and it's a wonderful um, flavorful piece of fish. Is it? Yeah. Because I was at, you know, it's like, when you, when you go buy fish, you know Uh-huh.
well like I buy like the fish so you can do it in the microwave the breaded fish, Uh-huh. and yeah, I've seen, you know, the filet. Yeah, buy a fresh filet of fish, a nice one at the fish the fish counter. What kind of fish? Um, any white fish. Sole is good, uh, um, flounder Okay. sole or flounder is real good. And even grouper. So we put soy sauce and sesame. Little bit of soy sauce and sesame seed oil. Okay. And, not too much soy sauce. Uh, some chopped up um, you know, slivers of scallions. And slivers of ginger. And then just cover it and put it in the microwave for just, just two, say two minutes, check it after two minutes to see if the fish flakes. Okay. And if the fish flakes, it's done. Don't overcook it though.
Okay, because I got, I got, um, one of those little, uh, microwaves, the ones that take forever to boil a cup of water. Well, you see, just check it, you know, during, Yeah. And another quick dish if you like, um, do you know what hoi sin sauce is, two utts? it's that sweet Chinese sauce? No, I don't. Well if you go in a Chinese store ask for hoi sin, H O I S I N. Wait, wait, wait, H, three? H O I , H O I, S I N, or S E N S I N, either way they'll spell it. Hoi Sin sauce. It's a very sweet dark, sort of a purplish plum sauce, purplish brown. And if you take, uh, little pieces of pork and you fry them, like little cubes of pork. And you fry them with garlic and a little bit of, couple dashes of hot pepper and then mix some hoi sin sauce with sherry, just a little sherry to thin it, and stir that in. You can even put a spoon of ketchup in, Okay. Okay.
Okay. and that makes a great pork dish with a sort of a spicy sweet sauce, that you can serve over rice. Uh, how much, uh, how much pork do you buy for two people. Um, well, For two people, um, if it's American style, I buy a half a pound. If, you know, we, if you're just serving that, but if you're serving another dish with it, say the rice dish um, well, with guys pretty healthy appetites, I'd probably go a third of a pound Right. and then, you know, you could, Yeah, I could probably go half a pound And you can always, you can always heat it up again, and save, you know. So, it's just, it's just, since I'm from Argentina, I just love meat. Yeah. And we, You can also do the same thing using, um, if you have ground beef. Okay. Just stir fry the ground beef. Drain off the oil. Use the same hoi sin sauce and some of the frozen mixed vegetables. Okay.
Just stir that in and you've got a very colorful side, another dish. And how much does it cost? Um, the hoi sin sauce? Yeah. Oh, a dollar twenty-nine a can. Oh, okay. A can would serve you for, for, you know, for quite a few, um, meals, you know. Yeah. Okay, I thought it was maybe like, you know, like five fifty or something. Oh, no, no, no, no, no it's not expensive at all. It's one of the Chinese cooking basics. Oh, okay. Yeah,
well listen, it was good talking with you. Same here. Hope you enjoy your recipe. All right. Thank you. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. It's, it's hard topic because is, is, is it doing a good job or a bad job and you got to divide it two different categories whether you live in the city or whether you live in a more rural place like I do. Yeah, and are you talking about public schools being lower level, high school level or state school. Well, public school all the way up kindergarten all the way up to, uh, uh, high school. Okay, but you're excluding high-level education. Yes, well, yeah I am. Oh, Okay.
actually I think that, I, higher level education, I don't think there's so much of a problem there. It's pretty much funded well. There are small colleges that I'm sure are struggling but, uh, it's the job that the, the high school and the grade schools are doing that I see, in a area like ours, our school, even a bad school is a good school up here, where, if I lived in New York City or Washington, D C, uh, I would seriously consider moving if I had a child. I wouldn't let them go to a public school system there. But, of course, people are trapped economically and they can't do that. Yeah. I know down here the schools are, you know, I don't know, they rate, I moved to Arkansas and Texas after living in Ohio and the schools down here rate, you know, bottom ten percent across the country and having been through grade school up there and coming down here to high school I can understand why. Because they're so far behind and so poorly staffed, half the time the teachers don't know what's going on. Well, that's really too bad because it, it's giving some people unfair advantage. I mean we, our high school up here is like a junior college in Florida
Right. what we learned. Well, that was my experience going through junior high up there when I came down south for high school I was just repeating what I'd already done. Because we were so far advanced. Yeah. And, uh, you know, I'd been in a parochial school before junior high and, you know, even the public schools are behind the parochial schools. Yeah. So, you know, I, I like the concept they've got now where they have more directed education, you know, you, you pick a career path or you get counseling earlier and then you, you learn the things that help you rather than spending four years learning the same things over and over. Like they have that down there that, Well, they talk about it and there are a few in some of the more, like in I live in a big Metroplex and some of the, the better parts of the Metroplex, the, the suburbs that are richer have those kind of target schools. But, uh, you know, Yeah, it's like if, if your father owns a grocery store and you're really interested in that,
there's no reason that you should take college prep courses when you can get some general business courses in high school. Right. Or if you're going to go the science route you can go to a target school that specializes in science or art. You know, there's no point in, you know, I'm an engineering student and if I have to go take art classes, you know, I'm not going to use them. And through high school I could have gone so much further if I'd gone to a school that was directed. Yeah, that's true. I was fortunate. I'm a, I'm a technician and we had a vocational, uh, electronics in our high school. Right, in high school. So when I went to my first year of tech school, I had a very easy time because our high school had a, a good program. Right. I think the schools today, you know, the public schools are just, they're just overrun, you know, they don't know what to do, there's too many kids and not enough teachers and too many of the kids don't care.
Yeah, I find that that the, that in the, in the cities, it's more like the kids go there so socialize not really to learn And, Right. and the parents send them there because they're supposed to, and plus it gets them out of their hair. And I also find that, that you can send a kid to school, but if don't work with them as a parent, I think you're putting your child at a big disadvantage. Yeah, and, you know, there's some kids that, you know, want to go learn, but most of them just want to go play. Yeah, well I could, I could see if a kid doesn't have any encouragement if, they're, you know, come from a broken home and their parents are more concerned about trying to work *sp:their and, or maybe they're unemployed and they're mad at the world, I can see where that wouldn't be very good for a, a kid, you know, he's coming up, will you help me with my homework and they're, no, get away from me, I've had a terrible day. So, it's got a lot to do with economics in the area that you come from.
Yeah, that's true. I'm wondering with the boom down here. It's, well, not at the moment, but a lot of the industry's moving southward. Yeah, are they going to move to, uh Mexico? So, Uh, I don't know about that, but a lot of the industry up in, uh, you know, the northern states is moving south Uh-huh. and I'm wondering if that's going to have any effect, you know, on what you see now. We're, we're, we're behind down here. On the, I say we because I live here. If that might not turn around in the next, you know, fifteen, twenty years. Yeah, maybe the, maybe they'll bring their good schools with them. You know, if the industry comes hopefully they'll promote good schools.
Yeah. Because I know the town that I come from the, the, uh, the large I B M plant has something to do with the top rated high school because of their tax base for one and plus for, for the type of student that's going to that school, it's going to raise the level of the school because your parents are engineers or chemists. Right. They're, they're, you're most likely to do better in school. They're going to help you. You hope. Yeah, you hope Well, I think, I, I don't know. I just think it, it's, it's a duty of the parent to do that. I mean, jeez, my parents always helped me and, I don't know, it's just like you say, it's the way you're raised and the economic situation you're in. I can see some lady, she's twenty-one years old and she's got four kids. A kid in,
her first grader, I don't see where she's going to have much time for them. So, I don't know. It's just like, I guess you just have to wonder, is it up to the, is it, you know, who, who's supposed to make the change, the, the state, the the federal government, you know, where's the money supposed to come from. Is it, you know I don't know. Actually, I think it's, I think it should be a civic level, the city level and a, a system level really to find out, and to see what they need and not overinflate it, what, what do you advocate, more taxes or better management of what they got? like, if the teachers are getting six percent raises every year when people in industry have been getting cut back, and you're getting raises every eighteen months you got to go now, hey, wait a minute, Yeah we're in a recession here. We, uh, our town didn't pass the school budget this year and for the first time in many, many years just because people are, are in the recession and they're, even though we've, uh, enjoyed very good employment here for the past ten years, now we got eight percent, uh, unemployment when it used to be four or five.
People are going, whoa. Yeah. So, Starts hitting closer to home. Yeah, but I always, see it's all, it's all money. This, like a couple other topics we had talked about was crime. It, it's, it's all money based. And what you can do unless you just get down to the parent level and, and then if you're in a bad situation where you have to send your child to a bad school. Who knows, maybe we do, we need some more Catholic schools, support the church instead They seem to have done a, the good job in the past. In, uh, some places, uh, you couldn't go to a public school. It was miles down the road and the only school you could go to was the Baptist school or the Catholic school so, Yeah,
they're a lot more strict. Yeah I don't, You, uh, have to learn, you aren't given the chance to, you know, screw off all the time. Yeah, I don't know if I would do that to my child, though. But, so, pretty much, though, see, I don't have any good ideas or, or anything that would contribute. See, this isn't a subject that I think a lot about because I'm never faced with it because our school system in Vermont, it seems to do a really good job. Well, I know I'm in the, you know, the only reason I asked about secondary schools or, you know, advanced education is because down here, you know, going to the University of Texas, the education I'm getting I think is kind of shoddy for a public school. Is it? I, I don't think I'm getting what I should, but, you know, in Texas, it's next to free because they pay so much of it. It's state supported. Well that, But at the same time it's really not, it's not like going to M I T. My engineering degree will be nothing like somebody coming out of M I T. And that's, it's really too bad
Well, but that's, I don't know, I think it just builds on the foundation that they've already built. You get people out of high schools and junior colleges that don't have the background for an M I T kind of curriculum. So, So you have to go to a lesser engineering school. We have a very good public school up here and a degree out there means a lot. It's a very good school. It's, it's University of Vermont. Uh, we also have some two year college. Well, there's a four year colleges. They all have a pretty good reputation. But, like you say, you, There we go. Yeah. Well, uh, I think the weather lately has been a bit warmer than I would expect this time of year. I think that's true. The, uh, the Bermuda grass is greening up in March,
and sometimes doesn't really start doing that until the first part of April. So. So I think we're a little ahead of schedule on that. Yeah. Yeah, I was out in my yard yesterday afternoon, and I noticed all that grass coming up, and I thought, ooh, we've got to start this mowing bit soon That's true. It's been a, a fun break, but the break is over. Yeah. Well, um, oh, I guess another thing I've noticed, too, here lately is that even though we've had some pretty warm days, it's been awfully gray, you know, just, Yeah, now, the last couple of weekends have been nice and sunny. Yeah. But it seems like every time at work I look out my window it's gray Well, yeah, but I'd rather have a sunny weekend than a gray weekend. Oh, I go for that,
yeah. Yeah. In fact, I'm a little worried about this one coming up here. We have a long weekend and, it sounds like it's going to be a little bit on the cool side. Yeah. I haven't heard whether it's going to rain or not. I think there's an eighty percent chance this evening, but it's supposed to be cleared out at least by noon tomorrow and then the rest will be without rain. Well, that's good. But I think the highs are going to be in the sixties, and the lows in the forties. That's getting back to a little bit chillier. Yeah, that probably is a little bit under what it is for this time of year. I think, I haven't seen the the weather on the news in the evening lately, but I think the average high would be, should be about seventy. Yeah. I'm not certain either,
but you're probably right. Yeah. Well, I like it when it's sort of a medium temperature, uh, maybe seventy-five to eighty, somewhere in there. I don't like it when it's too cool or too warm. I'm much more apt to get things done when it's at that sort of in between temperature. Yeah, that's true. Um, one of the remarkable things about the weather in the summertime here is that quite often the average daytime high of say ninety-nine degrees is within five or six degrees of the all time record high. Um. And what that tells me, is that the summer weather is very predictable, that it doesn't vary very much. Yeah. You're probably right. I mean, any other time of year, that's not the case, because it could be very warm or very cold. Yes, as a matter of fact, I heard the weather the other day on T V and I think it was one day this week a year ago Uh-huh. they said that we had a freeze and some kind of bad weather. You know Right. it wasn't just a super bad storm,
but it was it was that sort of thing that we never like to see in the, the late spring time. Right. Yeah. One of the weirdest things I saw, I think it was around this time last year was a twenty-six degree lightening storm. Oh, wow. I, you know, I was going into the grocery store, and a, a lightening bolt was almost directly overhead, and it was six degrees out. Um. And I thought, Well gee, I've, I've never known it to lightening at that temperature. Yeah, that, that is pretty unusual. And you really take notice of it, too. That's right. It, uh, it probably was a lot warmer up high. Sometimes they get those inversions, like when we had that twelve and a half days a few years ago that it never got up as high as freezing. The air temperature at five thousand feet was fifty degrees. Um. The cold weather was just simply trapped along the ground and couldn't get away. Wow.
I don't, don't like that super cold stuff. Nope. I just don't move very well when it's that cold. Yep, I, I'm really enjoying this now. Well, this has been interesting. Yeah, well. Not too challenging to the brain. Not, not a real in depth topic, but enjoyed talking to you. Nope. All right, Ellen, well you have a good day. Okay. Bye. Bye-bye. Are you a player? Uh, I, I think I am. It's, it's been a while now Has it? Yeah,
I've, uh, oh, just recently I got married and we bought a house. We're about fifty yards from the golf course Oh. but unfortunately the house is taking up my time. Yeah. So it's been, uh, it's been almost a year, I guess, since I've actually, uh, swung a club for a purpose. Yeah, I I haven't played in about two years, and then I went out two weeks ago with the guys here. I work at T I. Yeah. And I played in a tournament out there, and I shot a net fifty-nine. They were kind of, little upset. I guess I laid off long enough to get rid of all my bad habits. Yeah, yeah. I have a hard time inventing shots, you know.
Let's go around this tree, and you know, try a slice through a hook here, Right. and I can't do that so. Right. I finally got out, and I've been watching quite a few videos. I had not been able to play so I took out a few videos and watched them for a while, and I, I hope I'm on the right track. Yeah. Shot a career low eighty-nine, so, and my handicap is twenty nine. That's, that's great. I like that. Yeah. Now it's, uh, like I say, it's been a while for me, too. I, uh, I've got my wife motivated about it, um Really. and, uh, I think that's probably going to be one of the next investments, is get her, get her a set of clubs and, uh, we'll get out of the driving range and, and get some interest built up
and hopefully we can, uh, we can start in. Yeah, I've tried to get my wife, I bought her a set of clubs four years ago. She hasn't even swung them, but she wants to get into it now after I came home and won the tournament the other day, Really. she's she's ready to get off into it, Well, great, great. That's good, but, you know, I like, I just like getting out, being in the outdoors, and I'm a hunter and fisher anyway, but, you know. Yeah, same thing here. You know, at least I can get out and play a few hours of golf and it's not going to cost me an arm and a leg, really. Right, right. And I, you know, I walk,
I don't ride so Uh-huh, yeah. you know, I get a little exercise there, too, so. That's, I've got the same attitude. I, uh, I tell you, I started, I guess, the first time I played golf has been probably about eight or ten years ago now, when I was in college. Yeah. And, uh, I took, uh, I took it as a P E course and then kind of left it alone for a while, and then finally got, got into it when I was, while I was still in school Right. and since then, uh, we've made it, um, as, as the friends start getting married and things like that, we've made a tradition of, uh, having a, a Thursday, um, well, have, have probably like, like a Thursday night bachelor party and a Friday golf day before the wedding. Yeah. And, uh, so, it,
that's back in South Dakota where I grew up Oh. and, uh, so that, that's, uh, that's been my main, my main involvement, is it seems like I go home and play golf more than I do around here, but, uh eventually I get people to come and visit me in Dallas, Yeah. and then I'll show them we can play golf in the middle of winter when we can't do it back home. Yeah, it's pretty nice. We played out here a couple of times in the middle of the winter when my parents came down and what not. They were amazed. Yeah. You know, here it is, sixty-five degrees, we're out playing golf, and they're freezing cold back there, so. But, I, uh, actually I picked it up when I was in high school, on the same as a P E course, you know, Yep, yep. when I got into the service I got into it Oh, okay.
and now when I come out here I just kind of let it go, and then one, one of the guys mentioned to me at work one day if I played golf. And I said, Well, yeah, you know, I've got my clubs, but I haven't swung them in quite a few years. Uh-huh. And then I got into it and then back out of it, and it just seems like every couple of years I get back in there Yeah, that's right. You know, I really enjoy it. It's really nice. Oh, it is, it's, it's a lot of fun, especially if you can find somebody that's, uh, that's got the same level of interest. That seem to be the hardest thing. Yeah. Well, about, that's, that's true of any sport, you know. If you want to play tennis, or racquetball, Yeah you don't want to go out and get beat to death,
but. Right, and, and people don't want to play with somebody that they are going to beat every time, you know No. and, and, uh, And then, you know, we've got some guys here that they are, you know, four and five handicappers Uh-huh. and they don't like to play with me because I'm too slow for them, so. You know, but get somebody around your own handicap, and you can just mosey on out for three or four hours and have a good time. Right. That's right, yeah. And I've, you know, I've never, never yet have I walked up, now I've walked up a few times on the golf course by myself with nobody else to play with, and never yet have I met anybody on the golf course that wouldn't allow me to join their twosome or threesome. That's true. They are always friendly. That's true. Sure, come on out, you know,
and they don't mind if you make a mistake, they don't mind saying, Well, you know, let me tell you how to do that or teach you how to do that, or, Well. You know, it's, it's pretty nice and friendly out there That, that's, that's so. and you can't find that in all sports. Yeah, that's absolutely right, and you can gain a lot of ground doing that, too, if you, if, you know, you gets, you get in a rut if you do play a lot but you play with the same people, you, you aren't going to learn anything. Yeah, After a short period, once you learn everything they've got to offer, then you've basically tapped your resources there. Yeah, you need to, Yeah. But, uh, I'd like to, uh, eventually I'd like to work up, if, if my wife does get interested, and maybe get involved in a league in a, in a mixed, mixed doubles league, or something like that. Oh yeah, we , we have one down here in the summertime.
Uh, it runs from like five o'clock to seven thirty or eight o'clock, you know, because it doesn't get dark until nine thirty or ten. Uh-huh. Right. And we play in the summertime out here. We get a mixed league in, and that's what I'm trying to get her ready for. It's going to start, well, when we change time back whenever that is next month, I guess, Uh-huh. and it will start then, and, you know, we had a lot of girls out there a couple of years ago, and they were just starting to learn, and, you know, they were shooting a hundred, hundred and twenty Sure. but they were, you know, now they're down into the hundreds nineties, Right. so, it won't take her long. You know, Well, that's good that's good, that's sounds like a lot of fun. And it's something we can do together, so. Well, she doesn't do much hunting,
she could care less about that. Yeah. She's does a little fishing, but, you know, golf would give her the exercise, she'd be outside, give her something to do that we both enjoy, so. Yeah, it, it sounds like we've got real similar situations. Yeah. I, I, I go home, uh, I've gone home every year now since I've moved to Dallas to, to go pheasant hunting, and, uh um, the, the last time I, I took my wife along Uh-huh. and, uh, kind of the same situation. She's, she's up in the house and talked to my mother the whole time we were out hunting and stuff, but, She'll definitely, uh, she'll make the trip for fishing if that comes along, Yeah. Yeah. but, uh it's, it's interesting, All right.
Yeah, and it's, you know, it's a game that you don't, like bowling, you know, you feel bad if you bowl a hundred. But if you shoot a hundred in golf, you know, you don't have to be an expert to play, That's right. Any novice can pick up a club and learn how to hold one and learn how to do it and do it right. Uh-huh. So, you know, you don't have to be an expert in any aspect of it at all. That's right, well, yeah, I've, I've kind of formed the attitude that, you know, if I could just, if I could pick two or three shots out, uh, out of my game every time and put them together on one hole, then I do pretty good Yeah. and then, and I keep, I keep rationalizing that well, you know, I can do it, I just got to do it all at on the same hole, and, and then it will get better, and you just keep going, and in the meantime, just enjoy what you're doing. Yeah. It, it, it really works that way
And when, you know when I first got back into it, I used to get mad because I knew I could do something and I didn't get it done. Uh-huh. You know, and I just, well, I need to slice this ball around here, I naturally slice anyway, now you know, the ball will go straight and I go Yeah. but, you know I'd get upset about it sometimes, Yeah. and now I guess, you know, being in my forties, I just kind of mellowed out a little bit. Sure. I don't get upset any more. So, and, Sure. And well, that's great. Well, I've enjoyed talking to you. Well, you bet. I guess I'll go back to work.
Okay, sounds like it. All right. See you later . Okay. Bye-bye. Bye. Well I haven't had too much of a chance to watch T V lately. Yeah. So probably everything I going to say is kind of dated. Well, I can understand that. It's that time of the year. Yeah. We just, my wife and I just recently moved into our house. So we're spend a lot of time on the house and out in the yard and things. But. Um, like to keep up to date too. Oh. Yeah. Uh-huh. I guess, in the, since I got out of college, which was about five years ago, my T V viewing started to tend more towards, uh, documentary, news programs, things like that.
Uh-huh. Something that's going to keep mu up to date. I've kind of, kind of gotten away from, uh, being a series watcher, having to keep up to date with, uh, Oh, yeah. I think when you're in college you kind of, you have more of a regular schedule in terms of, you can watch every week. Uh-huh. Yeah, that makes a big difference. So, yeah, I, I used to, when my kids were real little and I was home, I watched, where I was home where I watched things on a more regular basis. But right now, the last things I watched regularly was THIRTY SOMETHING when it first came out. Okay. Did you all ever watch that? I, yeah, I started, too, and, uh kind of, kind of worked away from that. Yeah. Yeah. I, I have a hard time sticking with something like, like on T V, because, it, like, it gets real aggravating if you miss it, for a week or two. Yeah.
You feel kind of left out Right, right. But, um, right. I know, but I tell you what, um, we're really strict with our kids about television, and one night, couple weeks ago, it was just happened that we were exhausted and they wanted to watch, and we said okay, well we'll sit down and we'll, you know, look at what you want to see. Let's just turn it on and see what's on. We could not find anything that had any kind of redeeming value in it. I believe that. So, you know, it was prime time, it was, what, seven thirty, eight o'clock on a week night Uh-huh, uh-huh. and we have cable, and there wasn't anything on any channel,
and the stuff that was on the prime, the networks, you know, A B C, N B C, C B S, was, it was just, um, dribble Yeah. you know, I mean, it wasn't even funny That's right. it wasn't creative, it, it was the worst I've seen. I mean, I have not watched prime time, week night T V, I guess in a real long time because I was shocked. Yeah. I know exactly how you feel. You know what I'm saying. That's right. I, uh, when I first moved down here, moved into the apartment and got cable, and I guess I sort of, kind of became numb. Uh-huh. Nothing surprised me any more seeing it on the T V, you know. And then all of a sudden, I started paying, paying attention to soft voices in the network T V again, once in a while. Right. Right now we don't have cable. Right. And it's surprising how much it's changed
Uh-huh. the whole moral situation, everything, is just gone one whole complete direction different. And we don't have any kids yet, but I feel the same way. It's really tough to find something that's going to be good and interesting for the kids. Even, even cartoons, um Right. Oh. you know, you watch some of the cartoons, and kids aren't, aren't even going to understand half the humor that's in there. Yeah. It's, none of it's probably damaging, lot of times. Right, it's just, it's just, uh, like a necessary evil. I mean, when we, when our children were younger, when they were like four years old, three years old, five years old, we just had Sesame Street and that was about it, you know. Right, right. But now, in order to seem, you know, humane and normal, we do allow them to watch cartoons and stuff. Oh, yeah,
yeah. But it's, just one of those things, you know, you have to shut your eyes or not listen or something, because those drive you crazy, if you're, if you're in the room. So, But it's such a shame, because it could be so good. That's right. I don't understand why, first of all, the public puts up with it. Second of all, why the networks think that, you know, we enjoy that kind of stuff. Well, that's true. It's hard to believe that nobody can be any more creative than that. That can't be the problem. Uh-huh. It must be the marketing pressures, and, you know, their demographic studies that they do that show, you know, that everybody's I Q has dropped dramatically or something. I'm glad you said it and I didn't have to. But that, that, that's the, I feel the exact same way. I sit, I sit and watch some shows, and I'm embarrassed for the people that are even involved in the show. I know. You know, why do you do this to yourself?
Why do you do this? Yeah. I know, I'm trying to think if there's anything I do, you, like, uh, I like stuff that's on Great Performances, and, I, we used to watch mystery quite a bit and things like that. Okay. Stuff I guess that mostly public, on public T V. Right. As a matter of fact, you know when I was a kid, excuse me, my parents used to have, we had this rule in our house for every hour of regular T V that we watched, we had to watch an hour of public T V Now there's an idea. That was just the rule. And if they saw us watching the, something, they'd say, all right, what did you see on WHAT'S NEW, or there was some other, the children's program I think at the time was called WHAT'S NEW. Okay, yeah. So we had to give a little oral report before we could watch our program.
Yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. Do you, do you watch sports on T V? Are you a sports fan? I can't handle it very long. Yeah I, I mean, I'm, I'm a sports fan, but it's, well, it's kind of, it's kind of like reading magazines any more. If half of the time wasn't spent watching commercials, it probably wouldn't be so bad. Right, yeah. But, uh, it, it's, you're missing an awful lot. Yeah. I'd rather, personally rather watch, see a game on T V than fight the crowds at the stadium. but uh, Yeah, that's true, the traffic.
But, uh, no, Uh. I don't sit down, I'll sit down for the big games, the Super Bowl, and the championship you know, things like that. Yeah. But I don't follow any team. Uh-huh. I check the scores the next morning, and I know how everybody's doing, and that suffices me. But, I like, I like good comedy, good humor once in a while. Yeah. Yeah, I, I enjoy that, but what do you, where do you do you get that You don't have cable now, I was going to say they have a comedy channel now. But again you're in a situation where you're watching mostly, uh, commercials, and then you're, you know, trying to pass the time to wait until the next comedian comes up. You know what I did.
There was a time there where I could tape things and then I'd fast forward through the commercials. Uh-huh. Saved a lot of time that way. Yeah, it works, you bet, yeah. But, that takes too much planning. Yeah, no, I don't know, if there's any, any series that I pay attention to, I try to watch CHEERS once in a while. Now that, yeah, is that still real good. It used to be real good. But. Yeah, it is. Is it. In fact, it's, I think it's on tonight
Oh I just got in from outside, so I Oh, okay. so I'm kind of out of it. Things like that, and I consider that fairly intelligent humor. You know. Yeah. Yeah. You can tell, they pick up the words every once in a while. Right, right. Isn't it such a long running program. Yeah. Yeah, they do have a good, they do have good writers for that. Oh, that makes me think, do you watch SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE at all? I try to.
Yeah, we try to stay up, too Yeah It's getting harder and harder. Ten years ago wasn't so hard to stay up. Yeah, you know, it was, it was just automatic, too, no matter where you were you stopped and sat down and watched it. I think it's come around again. It's gone through cycles. Yeah, it was, we stopped watching for a couple of years in the middle there, but we started watching again. Uh-huh. But it's real different show than it was when it started. Yeah. It's funny now, and it's better, but it's real different than what it used to be.
That's right. That's right. But you can't be so, can't be outrageous. Right. You know, if you keep that same format. There's only so long that you can be outrageous. So, Yeah, that's for sure, that is for sure. Well, I guess there are a few things around still but, Yeah, but you have to hunt hard for them. Sounds like you pretty much agree. Yeah, I guess so. Well. Well. Been, uh, good talking to you. Yeah,
good talking to you. Okay. Take care. You too. Bye. Bye. Okay, so what kind of cars are you looking at? Well, we've, uh, we've, we've test driven the Oldsmobile Delta Eighty-eight and a Cutlass Supreme and a used Cadillac, about three or four years old because, uh, I get married in a couple of weeks Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I have two kids and my fiancee has two kids Uh-huh. so we need a car that's big enough for six. Yeah And so we went, I guess it was two weekends ago, we went, uh, car shopping and looked around. Uh-huh. We found something interesting at Crest Oldsmobile Cadillac up there on Central Expressway Uh-huh.
that, uh, in addition to getting a new car there, they can get you a car that's new but it's been, uh, a demonstrator model for two or three thousand dollars even cheaper than the best deal they can give you for a new car. Oh, okay. Uh-huh. So, they call this program cars, and they come, with a new car warranty, and it just seems to make sense to me to get the most car for your money to get something like that. Right. That's a real good deal. In fact my dad recently got a, um, a Pontiac, uh, believe six thousand Uh-huh. and he got a demo. Okay. And it's been a real good car Yeah. and it's, it's like new Uh-huh. and it only had, had very, very low mileage on it. Sure. And so I think he got a real good deal.
Of course, they're fully loaded usually. Oh yeah. So it's, I think it's a pretty good option. Yeah, I think so too. Are the, uh, Oldsmobiles that you're looking at, are they the demos or they used, are they new Well, the ones that we were test driving were the, uh, were the new ones there. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well now, uh, now, they may be the demonstrator models that the sales reps drive around in. Uh-huh. And then the Cadillac is, is definitely a used car or, Yeah. Uh-huh. The guy said it'd been on the lot about thirty minutes. He says it'll probably be gone in a done, and it's probably gone by now.
Oh no Those things go fast. Uh-huh. Uh, of course we're not, we can't consider getting a brand new Cadillac, because those are twenty-five to thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. But when they're three years old they're, the price already drops in half. Uh-huh. So then it becomes, uh, more realistic. Right. That's what I'm thinking about on my next car is do I want to get another brand new car because last two cars are brand new Uh-huh. or do I look for a used car that's maybe two, three years old that but that's, you know, low mileage and in good shape. Yeah. But I just, I kind of worry about getting a car that's that new with low mileage on it because you wonder why did the person that owned it want to get rid of it. Is it a lemon, or or is something wrong with it That's right. but I guess that's a risk you have to take. That's right.
Well, you can reduce that risk by, uh, having the car checked out, I mean, you know, if you're going to look at fifty different cars you don't want to do this Uh-huh. but if you've narrowed it down to one or two you can have the car, uh, uh, checked at, uh, an independent service station and have them go through it from top to bottom and tell you if they can find anything wrong, because they don't have any financial interest in it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right. And then you'll have a realistic assessment of what you're getting. Uh-huh. About how much do they charge to do something like that, do you know? Oh, I'm thinking around twenty or twenty-five dollars. Yeah, that's not bad. No, huh-uh. It'd be well worth it if you're considering buying a car to find out. I would, I would think so. I would think so. Yeah,
yeah. Well, it's kind of hard for me to talk about buying cars because I just got mine paid off about a month ago, and I, Isn't that a good feeling. Yes, I don't want to think about buying a car for a while. I just want to enjoy not having any car payments for a while and enjoy watching my savings account get larger and, uh, you know, hang on to the one I've got for a few years because it's, it's, it's almost four years old, That's right. but it's still in great shape. I have a Mazda R X seven. Well, what you can do is take your car payment and put it in the bank for three or four years Uh-huh. and when you're ready to get another car just pay cash for it. Yeah, I just about could really because I think my car, Yeah. if I continue taking good care of it, it's going to hold a pretty good resale value Oh yeah. and, uh, if I consider going the used car route and save up some money, I shouldn't have too much trouble at all. Yeah,
I, I would think that's true. Could you hold on for just a moment? Sure. Okay. I'm on a cordless phone, and I was picking up, uh, some background noise, so I just switched the channel up on it. I didn't want to interfere with whatever they're trying to record. Right, right, that's fine. Anyway. But, uh, I really, I really enjoy the car I have now, and I do want to hold onto it and, and you know, enjoy it while it's not having any mechanical problems whatsoever, That's right. in fact it never has That's right. and, uh, it's been kind of nice, and I, surprisingly enough after four years, I'm not tired of the car at all and I want to hang on to it while it's still being a good car and while I'm not tired of it and while I'm single and can handle a two seater for now and get that out of my system.
Well. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Because one of these days I'll be getting a six seater probably too. Eventually. So Yeah, the first two cars I ever bought, well, uh, uh, I've bought three cars, and I've always bought them new. Uh-huh. The first car I kept for thirteen and a half years and got a hundred and sixty-one thousand out of it. Wow. Uh-huh. The second car I ever bought I drive to work now. That just turned ten years old, and I've got a hundred and twenty-two thousand miles on that. Uh-huh. So that, that's kind of in the way I've done things is to get things that are new and then keep them forever.
Uh-huh. But, uh, my car is using two quarts of oil a week now. Oh my gosh About, about a quart every hundred miles. Oh, no. So, but, uh, it runs fine, all you it's just very thirsty. Yeah. If I just keep the oil in, it seems to be okay. But, you know, that's a sign that I'm going to have to do something sooner or later. Right. What kind of car is it? It's a, a Buick Century. Uh-huh. Are you going to trade it in on this new one or, No, my fiance is selling, uh, a nineteen seventy-eight Cutlass Supreme that she has. It's actually, in better condition than my car.

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